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l****e
发帖数: 609 | 1 有耐心读得懂英文的可以看看
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/09/28/donald-trump-said-8-false-things-the-day-after-debate.html
WASHINGTON—Donald Trump followed his deluge of debate dishonesty with yet
more lies.
The day after saying 34 false things at the first presidential debate,
Tuesday Sept. 27, he did an interview on Fox News and spoke at a rally in
Florida. He said eight false things and one misleading thing.
1. Falsely said, "You look at African-American youth with unemployment rates
in the 50s." (The unemployment rate for African-American youth is 26 per
cent.)
2. Falsely said, "I was against going into Iraq. And it's so well-documented
." (Trump supported the invasion. There is no documentation showing he
opposed it.)
3. Falsely said Boeing is going to manufacture 757s like his in China: "See
that plane? That plane was built in America. Now that same company is going
to start building these planes in China. I don't like it." (The 757 is no
longer being manufactured. While Boeing is opening a China plant to install
interiors and paint exteriors on 737s, the vast majority of its
manufacturing is remaining in the U.S.)
4. Falsely said, "Almost every single poll had us winning the debate against
Crooked Hillary Clinton. Big league. Big league." (The only "polls" that
had him winning were unscientific online polls anyone could click. In
legitimate polls, such as the ones conducted by CNN and Public Policy
Polling, he lost.)
5. Falsely said of the Drudge Report online debate poll: "I got almost 90
per cent of the vote." (This is an exaggeration. Trump got 82 per cent in
Drudge's unscientific poll.)
6. Falsely claimed to have won a CBS post-debate poll. ("We did not conduct
a post-debate poll," CBS White House correspondent Major Garrett wrote on
Twitter.)
7. Falsely took credit for NATO creating a new intelligence position dealing
with terrorism: "If I don't say that, believe me, NATO is not opening up a
terror operation." (NATO and independent experts say Trump had nothing to do
with the creation of the position. And contrary to Trump's suggestion, NATO
has had a "terror operation" for years.)
8. Falsely said Clinton "put her public office up for sale." (While reports
show that Clinton Foundation donors sought access to her as secretary of
state, there is no evidence she sold favours or tried to.)
9. Misleadingly said, "I see what's happening in the polls — I guess you
see I'm tied in Minnesota." (Of the last 20 Minnesota polls, only one has
showed Trump tied with Clinton — and it was commissioned by Breitbart, the
pro-Trump website. Clinton leads by two points or more, and as many as 13,
in every other poll.) | s********e
发帖数: 1503 | 2 好一个no evidence。
：有耐心读得懂英文的可以看看
：WASHINGTON—Donald Trump followed his deluge of debate dishonesty with yet
：more lies.
：The day after saying 34 false things at the first presidential debate,
：Tuesday Sept. 27, he did an interview on Fox News and spoke at a rally in
：Florida. He said eight false things and one misleading thing.
：1. Falsely said, "You look at African-American youth with unemployment
rates in the 50s." (The unemployment rate for African-American youth is
26 per
：cent.)
：2. Falsely said, "I was against going into Iraq. And it's so well-
documented." (Trump supported the invasion. There is no documentation
showing he
：opposed it.)
：..........
【在 l****e 的大作中提到】
: 有耐心读得懂英文的可以看看
: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/09/28/donald-trump-said-8-false-things-the-day-after-debate.html
: WASHINGTON—Donald Trump followed his deluge of debate dishonesty with yet
: more lies.
: The day after saying 34 false things at the first presidential debate,
: Tuesday Sept. 27, he did an interview on Fox News and spoke at a rally in
: Florida. He said eight false things and one misleading thing.
: 1. Falsely said, "You look at African-American youth with unemployment rates
: in the 50s." (The unemployment rate for African-American youth is 26 per
: cent.)
| a****a
发帖数: 3905 | 3 这是哪个脑残记者写的？
你可以claim poll unscientific，可以claim poll bias，但是你不能说trump的claim
是false的。
rates
documented
【在 l****e 的大作中提到】
: 有耐心读得懂英文的可以看看
: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/09/28/donald-trump-said-8-false-things-the-day-after-debate.html
: WASHINGTON—Donald Trump followed his deluge of debate dishonesty with yet
: more lies.
: The day after saying 34 false things at the first presidential debate,
: Tuesday Sept. 27, he did an interview on Fox News and spoke at a rally in
: Florida. He said eight false things and one misleading thing.
: 1. Falsely said, "You look at African-American youth with unemployment rates
: in the 50s." (The unemployment rate for African-American youth is 26 per
: cent.)
| a****a
发帖数: 3905 | 4 另外cbs的post debate poll在这儿。
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/26/cbsnewyork-poll-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/
这记者写东西前不能先google一下？
rates
documented
【在 l****e 的大作中提到】
: 有耐心读得懂英文的可以看看
: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/09/28/donald-trump-said-8-false-things-the-day-after-debate.html
: WASHINGTON—Donald Trump followed his deluge of debate dishonesty with yet
: more lies.
: The day after saying 34 false things at the first presidential debate,
: Tuesday Sept. 27, he did an interview on Fox News and spoke at a rally in
: Florida. He said eight false things and one misleading thing.
: 1. Falsely said, "You look at African-American youth with unemployment rates
: in the 50s." (The unemployment rate for African-American youth is 26 per
: cent.)
| a*****1
发帖数: 3817 | 5 这种文章不值一提
fox news 上有老川反伊拉克战争的证据。 你自己去看吧
rates
documented
【在 l****e 的大作中提到】
: 有耐心读得懂英文的可以看看
: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/09/28/donald-trump-said-8-false-things-the-day-after-debate.html
: WASHINGTON—Donald Trump followed his deluge of debate dishonesty with yet
: more lies.
: The day after saying 34 false things at the first presidential debate,
: Tuesday Sept. 27, he did an interview on Fox News and spoke at a rally in
: Florida. He said eight false things and one misleading thing.
: 1. Falsely said, "You look at African-American youth with unemployment rates
: in the 50s." (The unemployment rate for African-American youth is 26 per
: cent.)
| y****i
发帖数: 12114 | 6 legitimate polls, such as the ones conducted by CNN ...
"legitimate" can still be used to describe CNN? give me a brick and I am
gonna break that reporter. | G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 7 会back fire，看看底下的评论。
就连liberals都受不了他了。呵呵
rates
documented
【在 l****e 的大作中提到】
: 有耐心读得懂英文的可以看看
: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2016/09/28/donald-trump-said-8-false-things-the-day-after-debate.html
: WASHINGTON—Donald Trump followed his deluge of debate dishonesty with yet
: more lies.
: The day after saying 34 false things at the first presidential debate,
: Tuesday Sept. 27, he did an interview on Fox News and spoke at a rally in
: Florida. He said eight false things and one misleading thing.
: 1. Falsely said, "You look at African-American youth with unemployment rates
: in the 50s." (The unemployment rate for African-American youth is 26 per
: cent.)
| d********8
发帖数: 573 | 8 Trump and its supporters live in their own world | n******2
发帖数: 971 | 9 拿这些细枝末节来抹黑川普没用，因为这八条Falsely said从头到尾加起来，也没有希
拉里falsely said,"deleting the email is a mistake"来得严重。 | z***e
发帖数: 5600 | 10 This really falls into Trump's persuasion techniques per Scott Adams...
yeah right, it is not Boeing 757 but Boeing 737; not 90% supporting T but 82
%, real genius...
likeke (知音难觅,知己难寻) 的大作中提到: 】 | m*******p
发帖数: 1978 | 11 一个自称billionaire的竟然freeload穷棒子，Ronmey说得没错，丫就是一骗子。
【在 d********8 的大作中提到】
: Trump and its supporters live in their own world
| E*****5
发帖数: 1068 | 12 今早新闻论坛铺天盖地说Trump撒谎，还没时间研究到底什么地方说错了，看看这8条，
我的心放下了，得多蠢的人才注意一些小差别，反而忽视了Trump提出来的这些问题。
1. Falsely said, "You look at African-American youth with unemployment rates
in the 50s." (The unemployment rate for African-American youth is 26 per
cent.)
首先，就算是26%的失业率，也是个很可怕的社会问题，参看比利时布鲁塞尔穆斯林聚
居区，初始问题就是好多年轻人早早辍学或者高中毕业就失业在家。二十岁左右的年轻
人无所事事，精力旺盛就容易干坏事。
第二，Trump和作者的失业率如何考量女性年轻人的？如果前者包括，后者不包括，甚
至连数字也合得上了。
2. Falsely said, "I was against going into Iraq. And it's so well-documented
." (Trump supported the invasion. There is no documentation showing he
opposed it.)
你说Trump支持，没找到证据说他反对伊拉克入侵。你说人撒谎，不是应该你举证吗？
凭什么你说他撒谎就撒谎。这里就让我对作者满篇文章存了个问号：好像完全是为黑
Trump而写的文章。
3. Falsely said Boeing is going to manufacture 757s like his in China: "See
that plane? That plane was built in America. Now that same company is going
to start building these planes in China. I don't like it." (The 757 is no
longer being manufactured. While Boeing is opening a China plant to install
interiors and paint exteriors on 737s, the vast majority of its
manufacturing is remaining in the U.S.)
757还是737重要吗？重要的是波音确实要在中国开工厂。作为美国总统候选人，担心本
国工作继续外流有错吗？
4. Falsely said, "Almost every single poll had us winning the debate against
Crooked Hillary Clinton. Big league. Big league." (The only "polls" that
had him winning were unscientific online polls anyone could click. In
legitimate polls, such as the ones conducted by CNN and Public Policy
Polling, he lost.)
是不是11月大选，除了他们认可的Legitimate Voters，其他人的票都不合法？既然是
民调，人民做出了人民的选择。Trump说的话和事实相符，只是和作者脑子里的预设不
符，可是这个就被说撒谎，这里我已经对作者的道德品质提出了质疑。
5. Falsely said of the Drudge Report online debate poll: "I got almost 90
per cent of the vote." (This is an exaggeration. Trump got 82 per cent in
Drudge's unscientific poll.)
Polls随时发生改变，鸡蛋里挑骨头。如果Trump把8.2%说成了赢，是本质上的区别；事
实上，无论是作者认为的82%-18%还是Trump团队说的90%-10%，本质都是Trump
Landslide Win in the Drudge Report Online Debate Poll.
6. Falsely claimed to have won a CBS post-debate poll. ("We did not conduct
a post-debate poll," CBS White House correspondent Major Garrett wrote on
Twitter.)
CBS New York不是CBS的？到底谁在胡说八道啊，这么现在说个正常话的人越来越少？
！！
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/09/26/cbsnewyork-poll-who-won-the-first-presidential-debate/
7. Falsely took credit for NATO creating a new intelligence position dealing
with terrorism: "If I don't say that, believe me, NATO is not opening up a
terror operation." (NATO and independent experts say Trump had nothing to do
with the creation of the position. And contrary to Trump's suggestion, NATO
has had a "terror operation" for years.)
这个没研究，不好评。咱们事实求是，不像作者。
8. Falsely said Clinton "put her public office up for sale." (While reports
show that Clinton Foundation donors sought access to her as secretary of
state, there is no evidence she sold favours or tried to.)
全世界都知道的外交官卖官，克林顿基金会Pay to play还说False，希拉里也就仗着现
在民主党在台上，利益相关，有人现在兜着。没有鬼，删什么Email？！！服务器上存
个几十万封Email一点问题都没有，基金会又不缺钱买硬盘。
9. Misleadingly said, "I see what's happening in the polls — I guess you
see I'm tied in Minnesota." (Of the last 20 Minnesota polls, only one has
showed Trump tied with Clinton — and it was commissioned by Breitbart, the
pro-Trump website. Clinton leads by two points or more, and as many as 13,
in every other poll.)
我没跟进这类民调。 | s*x
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