w******s 发帖数: 16209 | 1 我的印象也许有出入,欢迎指正,我当时读到被彻底惊呆了
基本上希拉里一个文件还是讲话里提到对中产的struggle 不在care 了,她现在的生活
享受已经改变了她的想法。
任何考虑支持希拉里的,对这些能认同么?我觉得今天可能最大的料不是trump 的私人
谈话,而是希拉里的这些真正面目。希拉里现在是要为谁服务的呢? |
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y***r 发帖数: 16594 | 3 你看错了。
后面还有一段的。
前面一段希拉里说她现在是富人了,后面一段转折了,说她仍然能感觉到,现在很多人
觉得system is rigged, 很不安,她小时候就没这些感觉。
再后面我没看,不过总体来说,我感觉希拉里不是你们说的那样。
有时候,有些川粉,搞些真真假假的消息来骗人,真没啥意思。其实就是川黑。
我看到那个帖子都懒得回。MSM虽然比较拉偏架,比较low,但MSM有一点比较好,就是
报道的东西一般都是真实可信的。不是什么真真假假的鬼话。
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我的印象也许有出入,欢迎指正,我当时读到被彻底惊呆了 : 基本上希拉里一个文件还是讲话里提到对中产的struggle 不在care 了,她现在的生活 : 享受已经改变了她的想法。 : 任何考虑支持希拉里的,对这些能认同么?我觉得今天可能最大的料不是trump 的私人 : 谈话,而是希拉里的这些真正面目。希拉里现在是要为谁服务的呢?
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y***r 发帖数: 16594 | 4 其实你再往下看,我感觉希拉里还是有治国之才的。
*Clinton: “Even If It May Not Be 100 Percent True, If The Perception Is
That Somehow The Game Is Rigged, That Should Be A Problem For All Of Us.” *
“Now, it's important to recognize the vital role that the financial markets
play in our economy and that so many of you are contributing to. To
function effectively those markets and the men and women who shape them have
to command trust and confidence, because we all rely on the market's
transparency and integrity. So even if it may not be 100 percent true, if
the perception is that somehow the game is rigged, that should be a problem
for all of us, and we have to be willing to make that absolutely clear. And
if there are issues, if there's wrongdoing, people have to be held
accountable and we have to try to deter future bad behavior, because the
public trust is at the core of both a free market economy and a democracy.”
[Clinton Remarks to Deutsche Bank, 10/7/14]
【在 y***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你看错了。 : 后面还有一段的。 : 前面一段希拉里说她现在是富人了,后面一段转折了,说她仍然能感觉到,现在很多人 : 觉得system is rigged, 很不安,她小时候就没这些感觉。 : 再后面我没看,不过总体来说,我感觉希拉里不是你们说的那样。 : 有时候,有些川粉,搞些真真假假的消息来骗人,真没啥意思。其实就是川黑。 : 我看到那个帖子都懒得回。MSM虽然比较拉偏架,比较low,但MSM有一点比较好,就是 : 报道的东西一般都是真实可信的。不是什么真真假假的鬼话。
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i******0 发帖数: 609 | 6 Fair enough on the context.
As of her "治国之才", these are just blah, blah, blah. I can make up better
BS than this. No, I don't see any "治国之才" here.
*
markets
have
problem
And
【在 y***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 其实你再往下看,我感觉希拉里还是有治国之才的。 : *Clinton: “Even If It May Not Be 100 Percent True, If The Perception Is : That Somehow The Game Is Rigged, That Should Be A Problem For All Of Us.” * : “Now, it's important to recognize the vital role that the financial markets : play in our economy and that so many of you are contributing to. To : function effectively those markets and the men and women who shape them have : to command trust and confidence, because we all rely on the market's : transparency and integrity. So even if it may not be 100 percent true, if : the perception is that somehow the game is rigged, that should be a problem : for all of us, and we have to be willing to make that absolutely clear. And
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i******0 发帖数: 609 | 7 以为你说的是这个:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6vsxUKryrg
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我的印象也许有出入,欢迎指正,我当时读到被彻底惊呆了 : 基本上希拉里一个文件还是讲话里提到对中产的struggle 不在care 了,她现在的生活 : 享受已经改变了她的想法。 : 任何考虑支持希拉里的,对这些能认同么?我觉得今天可能最大的料不是trump 的私人 : 谈话,而是希拉里的这些真正面目。希拉里现在是要为谁服务的呢?
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A**H 发帖数: 4797 | 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNTwYQGeWow&ab_channel=GadflyProductions
We're going to raise taxes on the middle class
你们看看老妖婆在说这句话的时候的眼神吧。前几秒的眼神和说这话的时候的眼神,对
比一下。没有一种对中产阶级的内心憎恨,能这样说话和这样的眼神?而且开始说的是
创普给巨富减税,她转头就说我们不,我们要对中产加税。 |
w******s 发帖数: 16209 | 9 我没觉得看错了呀。 另外她说的中产uprising是对的么?我觉得天朝是uprising 中产
,美国中产基本在退。
【在 y***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你看错了。 : 后面还有一段的。 : 前面一段希拉里说她现在是富人了,后面一段转折了,说她仍然能感觉到,现在很多人 : 觉得system is rigged, 很不安,她小时候就没这些感觉。 : 再后面我没看,不过总体来说,我感觉希拉里不是你们说的那样。 : 有时候,有些川粉,搞些真真假假的消息来骗人,真没啥意思。其实就是川黑。 : 我看到那个帖子都懒得回。MSM虽然比较拉偏架,比较low,但MSM有一点比较好,就是 : 报道的东西一般都是真实可信的。不是什么真真假假的鬼话。
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w******s 发帖数: 16209 | 10 这是个演讲,我认为应该本身主体就应该都是无懈可击的,她本身还是律师。。
这里她提的的确有合适的地方,不可否认。
*
markets
have
problem
And
【在 y***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 其实你再往下看,我感觉希拉里还是有治国之才的。 : *Clinton: “Even If It May Not Be 100 Percent True, If The Perception Is : That Somehow The Game Is Rigged, That Should Be A Problem For All Of Us.” * : “Now, it's important to recognize the vital role that the financial markets : play in our economy and that so many of you are contributing to. To : function effectively those markets and the men and women who shape them have : to command trust and confidence, because we all rely on the market's : transparency and integrity. So even if it may not be 100 percent true, if : the perception is that somehow the game is rigged, that should be a problem : for all of us, and we have to be willing to make that absolutely clear. And
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j******m 发帖数: 3259 | 11 尼玛,cnn改视频的都忘了?这年头还能舔MSM的,得是什么境界?
【在 y***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你看错了。 : 后面还有一段的。 : 前面一段希拉里说她现在是富人了,后面一段转折了,说她仍然能感觉到,现在很多人 : 觉得system is rigged, 很不安,她小时候就没这些感觉。 : 再后面我没看,不过总体来说,我感觉希拉里不是你们说的那样。 : 有时候,有些川粉,搞些真真假假的消息来骗人,真没啥意思。其实就是川黑。 : 我看到那个帖子都懒得回。MSM虽然比较拉偏架,比较low,但MSM有一点比较好,就是 : 报道的东西一般都是真实可信的。不是什么真真假假的鬼话。
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m**p 发帖数: 2471 | 12 was,was,was!
: 我没觉得看错了呀。 另外她说的中产uprising是对的么?我觉得天朝是
uprising 中产
: ,美国中产基本在退。
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这是个演讲,我认为应该本身主体就应该都是无懈可击的,她本身还是律师。。 : 这里她提的的确有合适的地方,不可否认。 : : * : markets : have : problem : And
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s*******1 发帖数: 16479 | 13 你觉得她有治国之才你选她就好了
我觉得她shameless, corrupted and wicked. 所以我不会选她
*
markets
have
problem
And
【在 y***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 其实你再往下看,我感觉希拉里还是有治国之才的。 : *Clinton: “Even If It May Not Be 100 Percent True, If The Perception Is : That Somehow The Game Is Rigged, That Should Be A Problem For All Of Us.” * : “Now, it's important to recognize the vital role that the financial markets : play in our economy and that so many of you are contributing to. To : function effectively those markets and the men and women who shape them have : to command trust and confidence, because we all rely on the market's : transparency and integrity. So even if it may not be 100 percent true, if : the perception is that somehow the game is rigged, that should be a problem : for all of us, and we have to be willing to make that absolutely clear. And
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c**********t 发帖数: 215 | 14 这就叫疑邻盗斧。其实放下成见,认真听下她的政策,是有道理的。床铺感觉就是满嘴
跑火车,过个嘴瘾,真的要依他那种方式和那一套治国,是美国的灾难也是世界的灾难。
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNTwYQGeWow
【在 A**H 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNTwYQGeWow&ab_channel=GadflyProductions : We're going to raise taxes on the middle class : 你们看看老妖婆在说这句话的时候的眼神吧。前几秒的眼神和说这话的时候的眼神,对 : 比一下。没有一种对中产阶级的内心憎恨,能这样说话和这样的眼神?而且开始说的是 : 创普给巨富减税,她转头就说我们不,我们要对中产加税。
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d*****s 发帖数: 5610 | 15 这里有些人的英语阅读要提高。
Hillary说她现在已经不是中产,和中产生活远离,因为她有钱。但是她认为现在有些
人心里很焦虑,认为系统是rigged,所以她觉得不论是不是rigged,必须要改变这种想
法。。。
说白了,2党制度有很大问题,2个党中,都被其中最大人数的选民的利益绑架。一些中
间派,或者利益和2党都有交集,又都有矛盾的,都被牺牲。如果有多个党,可以根据
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y***r 发帖数: 16594 | 16 村长陷的太深,一页纸都没读完。先入为主,没办法。
【在 m**p 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : was,was,was! : : : 我没觉得看错了呀。 另外她说的中产uprising是对的么?我觉得天朝是 : uprising 中产 : : ,美国中产基本在退。 :
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y***r 发帖数: 16594 | 17 我们是就事论事,wikileak你看了吗?
【在 s*******1 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你觉得她有治国之才你选她就好了 : 我觉得她shameless, corrupted and wicked. 所以我不会选她 : : * : markets : have : problem : And
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 18 她的问题是你知道她哪些政策逗你玩,哪些是想推行的?明明支持open market,为了
选票转头就说反对tpp。
难。
【在 c**********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这就叫疑邻盗斧。其实放下成见,认真听下她的政策,是有道理的。床铺感觉就是满嘴 : 跑火车,过个嘴瘾,真的要依他那种方式和那一套治国,是美国的灾难也是世界的灾难。 : : : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNTwYQGeWow
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j**********r 发帖数: 3798 | 19 她说了要有,public position和private position. 啥意思?就是说一套做一套,我
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s*******1 发帖数: 16479 | 20 我一直知道你的立场啊。
你在乎的我没那么在乎
我在乎的你也不在乎
所以大家按自己立场投票就好了
【在 y***r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我们是就事论事,wikileak你看了吗?
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t*******d 发帖数: 12895 | 21 希婆和猪党就是要把橄榄球型的阶级结构变成图钉型,把大家都打入底层 |
c**********t 发帖数: 215 | 22 以下为她的原话。对协议的反复考量不是很正常?这些都是战术上的,要看她政策的核
心是为了中产还是为了top
"I did say, when I was secretary of state, three years ago, that I hoped it
would be the gold standard," Clinton said at an October debate with Sanders.
"It was just finally negotiated last week, and in looking at it, it didn't
meet my standards. My standards for more new, good jobs for Americans, for
raising wages for Americans. And I want to make sure that I can look into
the eyes of any middle-class American and say, 'This will help raise your
wages.' And I concluded I could not."
: 她的问题是你知道她哪些政策逗你玩,哪些是想推行的?明明支持open market
,为了
: 选票转头就说反对tpp。
: 难。
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 她的问题是你知道她哪些政策逗你玩,哪些是想推行的?明明支持open market,为了 : 选票转头就说反对tpp。 : : 难。
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h*******u 发帖数: 15326 | 23 属实
【在 j**********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 她说了要有,public position和private position. 啥意思?就是说一套做一套,我 : 是为你们花街服务的。中产呵呵呵。
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h*******u 发帖数: 15326 | 24 一个骗子说什么都没用
也只有弱智还当真
it
Sanders.
t
【在 c**********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 以下为她的原话。对协议的反复考量不是很正常?这些都是战术上的,要看她政策的核 : 心是为了中产还是为了top : "I did say, when I was secretary of state, three years ago, that I hoped it : would be the gold standard," Clinton said at an October debate with Sanders. : "It was just finally negotiated last week, and in looking at it, it didn't : meet my standards. My standards for more new, good jobs for Americans, for : raising wages for Americans. And I want to make sure that I can look into : the eyes of any middle-class American and say, 'This will help raise your : wages.' And I concluded I could not." :
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 25 她的原话是要有一个public position,一个private position。你告诉我这是她的哪
个position?她是不是还会有第三个position?
it
Sanders.
t
【在 c**********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 以下为她的原话。对协议的反复考量不是很正常?这些都是战术上的,要看她政策的核 : 心是为了中产还是为了top : "I did say, when I was secretary of state, three years ago, that I hoped it : would be the gold standard," Clinton said at an October debate with Sanders. : "It was just finally negotiated last week, and in looking at it, it didn't : meet my standards. My standards for more new, good jobs for Americans, for : raising wages for Americans. And I want to make sure that I can look into : the eyes of any middle-class American and say, 'This will help raise your : wages.' And I concluded I could not." :
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c**********t 发帖数: 215 | 26 看了下她的原话,很正常,how to balance the public and the private efforts
that are necessary to be successful, politically.
政治本身就是个妥协博弈的艺术,在哪里都是一样的,真的跟床铺那样loose canon搞
政治反而危险。
*CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY*
*Clinton: “But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room
Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To
Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.”* CLINTON
balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are
necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about
today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if
you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and
working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite
predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from
New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your
help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who
knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is
like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way,
but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody's watching, you
know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people
get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a
private position. And finally, I think -- I believe in evidence-based
decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it's like when
you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that
development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know,
you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what's going to work and what
's not going to work.
: 她的原话是要有一个public position,一个private position。你告诉我这是
她的哪
: 个position?她是不是还会有第三个position?
: it
: Sanders.
: t
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j*********r 发帖数: 24733 | 27 左派有中产么?都在想着掏中产的钱包呢
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我的印象也许有出入,欢迎指正,我当时读到被彻底惊呆了 : 基本上希拉里一个文件还是讲话里提到对中产的struggle 不在care 了,她现在的生活 : 享受已经改变了她的想法。 : 任何考虑支持希拉里的,对这些能认同么?我觉得今天可能最大的料不是trump 的私人 : 谈话,而是希拉里的这些真正面目。希拉里现在是要为谁服务的呢?
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j**********r 发帖数: 3798 | 28 public给富人加税,private我的钱都在基金会,你收不着。你丫还有脸解释。
CLINTON
about
【在 c**********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看了下她的原话,很正常,how to balance the public and the private efforts : that are necessary to be successful, politically. : 政治本身就是个妥协博弈的艺术,在哪里都是一样的,真的跟床铺那样loose canon搞 : 政治反而危险。 : *CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY* : *Clinton: “But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room : Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To : Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.”* CLINTON : balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are : necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about
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y***r 发帖数: 16594 | 29 她说话怎么这么多 you know呀,这啥习惯?国内当官的讲话来个”啊” 一个意思?
CLINTON
about
【在 c**********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看了下她的原话,很正常,how to balance the public and the private efforts : that are necessary to be successful, politically. : 政治本身就是个妥协博弈的艺术,在哪里都是一样的,真的跟床铺那样loose canon搞 : 政治反而危险。 : *CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY* : *Clinton: “But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room : Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To : Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.”* CLINTON : balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are : necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about
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s***d 发帖数: 15421 | 30 就是两面派 对选民一套 对资本家一套 无论哪一套 爱钱是真的
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 11
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 她的原话是要有一个public position,一个private position。你告诉我这是她的哪 : 个position?她是不是还会有第三个position? : : it : Sanders. : t
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c**********t 发帖数: 215 | 31 那是你的解释。
你赞同她的Public position给富人加税吗?还是赞成床铺的政策给富人减税?
: public给富人加税,private我的钱都在基金会,你收不着。你丫还有脸解释。
: CLINTON
: about
【在 j**********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : public给富人加税,private我的钱都在基金会,你收不着。你丫还有脸解释。 : : CLINTON : about
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j**********r 发帖数: 3798 | 32 Trump给所有工作的减税,富人中产都获益。龙虾党相对吃亏。至于中产不加税,
Obamacare让所有中产都加税,还他妈有脸说。
【在 c**********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 那是你的解释。 : 你赞同她的Public position给富人加税吗?还是赞成床铺的政策给富人减税? : : : public给富人加税,private我的钱都在基金会,你收不着。你丫还有脸解释。 : : CLINTON : : about :
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c**********t 发帖数: 215 | 33 你支持中产和top同时减税,还是支持更多地给中产减税,而更多地从top征税?
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Trump给所有工作的减税,富人中产都获益。龙虾党相对吃亏。至于中产不加税,
: Obamacare让所有中产都加税,还他妈有脸说。
【在 j**********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Trump给所有工作的减税,富人中产都获益。龙虾党相对吃亏。至于中产不加税, : Obamacare让所有中产都加税,还他妈有脸说。
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j*********r 发帖数: 24733 | 34 up
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我的印象也许有出入,欢迎指正,我当时读到被彻底惊呆了 : 基本上希拉里一个文件还是讲话里提到对中产的struggle 不在care 了,她现在的生活 : 享受已经改变了她的想法。 : 任何考虑支持希拉里的,对这些能认同么?我觉得今天可能最大的料不是trump 的私人 : 谈话,而是希拉里的这些真正面目。希拉里现在是要为谁服务的呢?
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