l****e 发帖数: 609 | 1 我今晚查了你以前回的帖子,意识自己犯了个错误。我把你和另外一个也总一起跟贴的
人(是个川粉)混淆了。我今天说“你就是一个非常偏执的川粉”,这是错的,你不是
川粉,为此我向你真诚道歉,并给你发五个包子,一示诚意,请验收。
我是一个偏右的反Trump者,你是一个偏左的反Hillary者。我想这不会妨碍我们以网友
的身份,心平气和地,公正地讨论这个案件。我想我们俩的分歧主要在affidavit上,
至于1.Hillary 是不是自愿强奸犯辩护?2.Hillary为什么不推掉这个案件?3.Hillary
有没有嘲笑受害者?5. Hillary对受害者测谎?6.Hillary有没有为强奸犯开罪或减刑
?等这些问题,我们的看法是一致的,是不是这样的?
在讨论affidavit之前,请你诚实地回答一个问题,没有冒犯的意思。你当初认为
Hillary“诬蔑十二岁女孩会渴望被男人强奸”这事时,是否查了很多资料,还是根据
主要受害者Kathy Shelton的声明。我觉得你是因为看了Kathy Shelton的声明,不知对
不对?
现在我们来看看事实的真相。请你耐心慢慢的读完,最好仔细把我提供的link也读了。
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/11/the-facts-about-hillary-clinton-and-the-kathy-shelton-rape-case/
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
Kathy Shelton说"in court, Hillary told the judge that I made up the rape
story",实际上并非如此,That affidavit doesn't show, as Kathy Shelton
claimed, that Hillary Clinton asserted the defendant "made up the rape story
because [she] enjoyed fantasizing about men", rather, it shows that other
people, including an expert in child psychology, had said that the
complainant was "emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men
and to engage in fantasizing about persons, claiming they had attacked her
body," and that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or
romanticize sexual experiences."
换句话说,在affidavit上面并没有Hillary指责“Kathy Shelton说谎,喜欢和大年纪
的男人浪漫”这件事,而是其他人的声明,包括儿童心理医生的声明。从12岁的Kathy
Shelton就和那个15岁的男孩有性关系这事看,儿童心理医生能得出这样的结论也是合
情合理的。另外还有证据a retired detective on the case as saying that Shelton
’s “ ‘infatuation’ with the teenage boy, which she refused to admit,”
led to “serious inconsistencies in her statements about the incident.” The
detective also said Shelton’s mother “was so eager to end the ordeal she
coached her daughter’s statements and interrupted interviews with police.”
而这个affidavit的目的,也不是要诋毁Kathy Shelton。Hillary根据她所掌握的情况
,写了这个affidavit,目的是要求法庭给Kathy Shelton做测谎证实她所获得的信息。
但是法庭第二天就驳回她的请求。实际上,这个affidavit根本就没起任何作用。
Clinton therefore asked the court to have the complainant undergo a
psychiatric exam to determine the validity of that information. The court
docket for July 28 says Clinton filed her motion for an exam. On July 29, it
states: “Hearing on Motion for Psychiatric Examination — Motion denied.
Defendant objects.”
从另一个方面讲,Kathy Shelton声称Hillary对她测谎之事发生了,这使人对她的诚信
产生怀疑。
Until a Newsday reporter informed her in 2007 that Clinton was the lawyer in
the case, Shelton had no idea that Hillary Clinton had been involved.
Moreover, a central part of her story — the psychiatric exam — does not
appear to have taken place, according to court records.
The gofundme site, which was established Aug. 13 and seeks to raise $10,000,
quotes Shelton as explicitly saying that the test took place: “Hillary
then began to attack my character, forcing me to undergo multiple polygraph
tests where I was asked explicit sexual questions I didn’t even understand.
Next I was sent for a psychiatric examination. It felt like I was the one
on trial.”
But the court docket, unearthed by Pittsburgh attorney Norma Chase and for
the first time made public, shows that one day after Clinton filed a request
for psychiatric exam, it was denied by the judge. The court docket for July
28 says Clinton filed her motion for an exam. On July 29, it states: “
Hearing on Motion for Psychiatric Examination — Motion denied. Defendant
objects.” (There is also no evidence that Clinton was responsible for
arranging Shelton’s polygraph test.)
现在Shelton’s gofundme site was substantially revised, with all references
to an alleged psychiatric exam and the polygraph test removed. 这说明Kathy
Shelton的声明中有漏洞或其他。
我认为你对这事是因为先看到了Kathy Shelton的声明,先入为主,所以得出了Hillary
没有人性的结论。我是先读了整个事件,所以跟你的感觉不一样。我所说的都是以事实
为依据,你觉得我那有不妥,欢迎指正。 |
l****e 发帖数: 609 | 2 我另外的两篇文章
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/32305983.html
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/32305673.html
Hillary
【在 l****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我今晚查了你以前回的帖子,意识自己犯了个错误。我把你和另外一个也总一起跟贴的 : 人(是个川粉)混淆了。我今天说“你就是一个非常偏执的川粉”,这是错的,你不是 : 川粉,为此我向你真诚道歉,并给你发五个包子,一示诚意,请验收。 : 我是一个偏右的反Trump者,你是一个偏左的反Hillary者。我想这不会妨碍我们以网友 : 的身份,心平气和地,公正地讨论这个案件。我想我们俩的分歧主要在affidavit上, : 至于1.Hillary 是不是自愿强奸犯辩护?2.Hillary为什么不推掉这个案件?3.Hillary : 有没有嘲笑受害者?5. Hillary对受害者测谎?6.Hillary有没有为强奸犯开罪或减刑 : ?等这些问题,我们的看法是一致的,是不是这样的? : 在讨论affidavit之前,请你诚实地回答一个问题,没有冒犯的意思。你当初认为 : Hillary“诬蔑十二岁女孩会渴望被男人强奸”这事时,是否查了很多资料,还是根据
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b*********0 发帖数: 1441 | 3 you are in denial with hillary confession in her interview tape. She
admitted she knows the man is guilty. You can write a book and avoid talking
about the most important point.
all of these look like to mask the fact that you are single-issue voter:
Hillary is a woman.
Hillary
【在 l****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我今晚查了你以前回的帖子,意识自己犯了个错误。我把你和另外一个也总一起跟贴的 : 人(是个川粉)混淆了。我今天说“你就是一个非常偏执的川粉”,这是错的,你不是 : 川粉,为此我向你真诚道歉,并给你发五个包子,一示诚意,请验收。 : 我是一个偏右的反Trump者,你是一个偏左的反Hillary者。我想这不会妨碍我们以网友 : 的身份,心平气和地,公正地讨论这个案件。我想我们俩的分歧主要在affidavit上, : 至于1.Hillary 是不是自愿强奸犯辩护?2.Hillary为什么不推掉这个案件?3.Hillary : 有没有嘲笑受害者?5. Hillary对受害者测谎?6.Hillary有没有为强奸犯开罪或减刑 : ?等这些问题,我们的看法是一致的,是不是这样的? : 在讨论affidavit之前,请你诚实地回答一个问题,没有冒犯的意思。你当初认为 : Hillary“诬蔑十二岁女孩会渴望被男人强奸”这事时,是否查了很多资料,还是根据
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l****p 发帖数: 27354 | 4 很多女人都在人生的某个阶段希望被强奸,强奸者是个帅哥,甚至是个王子。这个不能
证明,任何男人真的可以强奸之。 |
a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 5 这个事情的焦点不是当年希婆做了什么,而是她后来的态度。
就
Hillary
【在 l****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我今晚查了你以前回的帖子,意识自己犯了个错误。我把你和另外一个也总一起跟贴的 : 人(是个川粉)混淆了。我今天说“你就是一个非常偏执的川粉”,这是错的,你不是 : 川粉,为此我向你真诚道歉,并给你发五个包子,一示诚意,请验收。 : 我是一个偏右的反Trump者,你是一个偏左的反Hillary者。我想这不会妨碍我们以网友 : 的身份,心平气和地,公正地讨论这个案件。我想我们俩的分歧主要在affidavit上, : 至于1.Hillary 是不是自愿强奸犯辩护?2.Hillary为什么不推掉这个案件?3.Hillary : 有没有嘲笑受害者?5. Hillary对受害者测谎?6.Hillary有没有为强奸犯开罪或减刑 : ?等这些问题,我们的看法是一致的,是不是这样的? : 在讨论affidavit之前,请你诚实地回答一个问题,没有冒犯的意思。你当初认为 : Hillary“诬蔑十二岁女孩会渴望被男人强奸”这事时,是否查了很多资料,还是根据
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c*******o 发帖数: 8869 | |
c*******o 发帖数: 8869 | 7 你说的有道理,其实很多事情局外人看不清楚,怎么做判断?有时候需要一些参照物,
比如这个案子,希拉里自己在回忆录中花了不少篇幅讨论这件事,老川的抓逼门呢,肯
定不好意思写书里。
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个事情的焦点不是当年希婆做了什么,而是她后来的态度。 : 就 : : Hillary
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l****e 发帖数: 609 | 8 所谓的回来的态度不就是说她笑吗
请你仔细读读transcript,而不是川粉和Trump教主的指责
采访hillary的记者说
[Update: Reed in an interview published Oct. 12 denied
that Clinton was laughing at Shelton. “As far as her laughing, God knows
she was not laughing over the notion that this rapist was going to go free,"
said Reed. “I challenge any fair-minded reader of that transcript to make
a case that Hillary Rodham was a coldblooded lawyer who was laughing over
the plight of the 12-year-old rape victim."]
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个事情的焦点不是当年希婆做了什么,而是她后来的态度。 : 就 : : Hillary
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 9 录音在哪里,何必管采访的记者怎么说?
大家对她为什么笑,对这个受害者是不是同情,各有自己的理解。
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【在 l****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 所谓的回来的态度不就是说她笑吗 : 请你仔细读读transcript,而不是川粉和Trump教主的指责 : 采访hillary的记者说 : [Update: Reed in an interview published Oct. 12 denied : that Clinton was laughing at Shelton. “As far as her laughing, God knows : she was not laughing over the notion that this rapist was going to go free," : said Reed. “I challenge any fair-minded reader of that transcript to make : a case that Hillary Rodham was a coldblooded lawyer who was laughing over : the plight of the 12-year-old rape victim."]
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t******g 发帖数: 1667 | 10 楼主这ID不是自称中立派吗,怎么发的帖子要么唱衰Trump要么舔Hillaary呢 |
l****e 发帖数: 609 | 11 我从去年底,当Trump要Ban所有穆斯林入境时就唱衰Trump教主了.
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/31651873.html
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 楼主这ID不是自称中立派吗,怎么发的帖子要么唱衰Trump要么舔Hillaary呢
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