T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 1 NYT
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President-elect Donald J. Trump, expressing
lingering skepticism about intelligence assessments of Russian interference
in the election, said on Saturday evening that he knew “things that other
people don’t know” about the hacking, and that the information would be
revealed “on Tuesday or Wednesday.”
Speaking to a handful of reporters outside his Palm Beach, Fla., club, Mar-a
-Lago, Mr. Trump cast his declarations of doubt as an effort to seek the
truth.
“I just want them to be sure because it’s a pretty serious charge,” Mr.
Trump said of the intelligence agencies. “If you look at the weapons of
mass destruction, that was a disaster, and they were wrong,” he added,
referring to intelligence cited by the George W. Bush administration to
support its march to war in 2003. “So I want them to be sure,” the
president-elect said. “I think it’s unfair if they don’t know.”
He added: “And I know a lot about hacking. And hacking is a very hard thing
to prove. So it could be somebody else. And I also know things that other
people don’t know, and so they cannot be sure of the situation.”
When asked what he knew that others did not, Mr. Trump demurred, saying only
, “You’ll find out on Tuesday or Wednesday.”
Mr. Trump, who does not use email, also advised people to avoid computers
when dealing with delicate material. “It’s very important, if you have
something really important, write it out and have it delivered by courier,
the old-fashioned way, because I’ll tell you what, no computer is safe,”
Mr. Trump said.
“I don’t care what they say, no computer is safe,” he added. “I have a
boy who’s 10 years old; he can do anything with a computer. You want
something to really go without detection, write it out and have it sent by
courier.”
The comments on Saturday were a departure from a statement that Mr. Trump
issued through transition officials last week, in which he said that it was
time for people to “move on” from the hacking issue but that he would be
briefed on the matter by intelligence officials early in the new year.
On Thursday, President Obama ordered a set of retaliatory measures against
Russia over the election hacking. The United States expelled 35 Russian
diplomats and shuttered two estates that it claimed had been used for
intelligence-gathering.
The Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin, declined to respond in kind to the
measures, a gesture that Mr. Trump appeared to view favorably. He praised
it on Twitter and criticized news media coverage that had been harsh about
Russia.
Mr. Trump, who has sought a warmer relationship with Mr. Putin, has
repeatedly scoffed at the notion that Russia was behind the hacking, a
stance at odds with members of his own party. At one point, Mr. Trump
declared that the hacking may have been the work of “someone sitting on
their bed weighing 400 pounds.” | c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 2 看样trump 是铁了心 要push back 国安的 narrative。
学IT 的给讲讲，是不是证明 hacker 具体是谁，几乎不可能 ？
interference
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【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: NYT
: WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President-elect Donald J. Trump, expressing
: lingering skepticism about intelligence assessments of Russian interference
: in the election, said on Saturday evening that he knew “things that other
: people don’t know” about the hacking, and that the information would be
: revealed “on Tuesday or Wednesday.”
: Speaking to a handful of reporters outside his Palm Beach, Fla., club, Mar-a
: -Lago, Mr. Trump cast his declarations of doubt as an effort to seek the
: truth.
: “I just want them to be sure because it’s a pretty serious charge,” Mr.
| r*****x
发帖数: 6988 | 3 文科生都知道奥黑他们手里没货，否则能在那里瞎嚷嚷?
看样trump 是铁了心 要push back 国安的 narrative。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 看样trump 是铁了心 要push back 国安的 narrative。
: 学IT 的给讲讲，是不是证明 hacker 具体是谁，几乎不可能 ？
:
: interference
: -a
| b******n
发帖数: 3103 | | A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 5 得是亲手做hack的人出示证据或者至少要截获俄国情报部门内部资料像DNC那样字斟句
酌地讨论犯罪过程才是铁证
看样trump 是铁了心 要push back 国安的 narrative。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 看样trump 是铁了心 要push back 国安的 narrative。
: 学IT 的给讲讲，是不是证明 hacker 具体是谁，几乎不可能 ？
:
: interference
: -a
| c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 6 我问外汉的理解，一，俄，美，中相互搞情报大家都心知肚明；
二，hacker 想hack 也不是十分容易，fishing，就是钓鱼是个常用的办法，就受害者
其实是自己以某种方式给了hacker 权限，
三，trump 抗拒奥巴/民主党/媒体和现国安系统 narrative，主要这些人用心险恶，指
鹿为马，用俄hack 这件事来 说trump 当选的合法性，试图把单纯的国安问题混为政治
问题，骗民众相信vote machine也被 俄 hack 而导致 trump 当选。
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: 得是亲手做hack的人出示证据或者至少要截获俄国情报部门内部资料像DNC那样字斟句
: 酌地讨论犯罪过程才是铁证
:
: 看样trump 是铁了心 要push back 国安的 narrative。
| f*******e
发帖数: 3433 | 7 我觉得trump是对的。我看了FBI的报告，一直没看到证据。比如phishing email, 谁都
能发，看了半天没看出为什么是russian 政府干的。还有说什么有的电脑被russian黑
客develop的malicious software给黑了。黑客只要把那些malicious software放到
fake网站上，任何人从机器上访问了那个网站malicious software都会下载到机器上。
我看了FBI报告感觉就是骗那些不懂计算机安全的。
看样trump 是铁了心 要push back 国安的 narrative。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 看样trump 是铁了心 要push back 国安的 narrative。
: 学IT 的给讲讲，是不是证明 hacker 具体是谁，几乎不可能 ？
:
: interference
: -a
| c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 8 即使俄 hack 动作 跟 选举 没一毛钱关系，vpte machine 都几乎不www联网，
再一个，这事选前 奥巴他们就知道，但不采取任何动作，因为以为自己赢定了。
选后又跳出来，完全是别有用心。
【在 f*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得trump是对的。我看了FBI的报告，一直没看到证据。比如phishing email, 谁都
: 能发，看了半天没看出为什么是russian 政府干的。还有说什么有的电脑被russian黑
: 客develop的malicious software给黑了。黑客只要把那些malicious software放到
: fake网站上，任何人从机器上访问了那个网站malicious software都会下载到机器上。
: 我看了FBI报告感觉就是骗那些不懂计算机安全的。
:
: 看样trump 是铁了心 要push back 国安的 narrative。
| z****z
发帖数: 2054 | 9 看问题看得太浅了
主要是为了对床铺未来的对俄政策进行牵制
建制派不愿意对老毛子放虎归山而已
者
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我问外汉的理解，一，俄，美，中相互搞情报大家都心知肚明；
: 二，hacker 想hack 也不是十分容易，fishing，就是钓鱼是个常用的办法，就受害者
: 其实是自己以某种方式给了hacker 权限，
: 三，trump 抗拒奥巴/民主党/媒体和现国安系统 narrative，主要这些人用心险恶，指
: 鹿为马，用俄hack 这件事来 说trump 当选的合法性，试图把单纯的国安问题混为政治
: 问题，骗民众相信vote machine也被 俄 hack 而导致 trump 当选。
| c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 10 主导 俄 hack fake news 明明是 奥巴 和左派， mccain 和 SC 那个 就是 想借力打
trump
你这样说，一下把建制派推到前台，他们成了正真的 操盘手，这个过分抬高 建制派了
，虽然 建制派 在对 俄 战略态度上 和 trump 完全相反。
就trump 本身来说，也应该 先明确反制的是 奥巴 他们一伙，现在还轮不到 跟 建制
派 闹翻，以后什么样 得慢慢走着瞧。这点儿政治 谋略都没有，当个屁 总统。
【在 z****z 的大作中提到】
: 看问题看得太浅了
: 主要是为了对床铺未来的对俄政策进行牵制
: 建制派不愿意对老毛子放虎归山而已
:
: 者
| e*****e
发帖数: 2791 | 11 不知道哪个比较容易？是打下一支信鸽容易点儿？还是破解 Blowfish encryption？
No computer is safe 这句话也对也不对，看你跟谁比。 | c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 12 就安全性来说古老的传递方式当然比现代通过联网的电脑高多了，但效率很低！
另外，古老方式来有一个好处是，可以即使止损。 当受“信”人没接到，出问题的可
能性加大，可以启用 plan b。
联网的电脑，许多时候你都不知道，你的“信”已被偷看过。
【在 e*****e 的大作中提到】
: 不知道哪个比较容易？是打下一支信鸽容易点儿？还是破解 Blowfish encryption？
: No computer is safe 这句话也对也不对，看你跟谁比。
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