H**U
发帖数: 1814 | 1 左比总是瞎spin, 关于药效的问题，Trump专指terminal ill patient
"TRUMP: I think you know most of my team and you folks have done a terrific
job over the years, but we have to get prices down for a lot of reasons. We
have no choice. Medicare, Medicaid we have to get the prices way down so
that's what we're going to talk about.
We need to streamline the process, so that, from your standpoint, when you
have a drug, you can actually get it approved if it works, instead of
waiting for many, many years.
The U.S. drug companies have produced extraordinary results for our country
but the pricing has been astronomical for our country. We need to do better.
New drugs have led to longer, healthier lives, we all know that but we have
to do better accelerating cures, we've been focused on accelerating FDA. We
'll get the approval process much faster.
One thing that has always disturbed me, they come up with a new drug for a
patient who is terminal and the FDA says, 'we can't have this drug used on
the patient.'
But they say that the patient within four weeks will be dead. They say, '
Well, we still can't approve the drug. And we don't know if the drug works
or if it doesn't work, but we can't approve the drug because we don't want
to hurt the patient.' But the patient is not gonna live more than four weeks!
So we'll be changing a lot of the rules -- a lot.
We're going to be ending global free loading. Foreign price controls reduce
the resources of American drug companies to finance drug and R&D innovation.
I think you people know that very well. Very unfair to this country.
Our trade policy will prioritize that foreign countries pay their fair share
for U.S.-manufactured drugs so our drug companies have greater financial
resources to accelerate the development of new cures. And I think it's so
important. But right now, it's very unfair what other countries are doing to
us.
One thing I really want you to do a lot of -- I've seen this over the years,
but a lot of the companies have moved out. They don't make the drugs in our
country anymore. A lot of that has to do with regulation. A lot of it has
to do with the fact that other countries take advantage of us with their
money and their money supply and devaluation because we don't know anything
-- our country has been run so badly, we know nothing about devaluation.
Every other country lives on devaluation." |
m**k
发帖数: 1503 | 2 这就make sense了，癌症药物很多其实就只对20%或者更少的病人有效，如果FDA不改革
这些药一个都过不了
terrific
We
country
better.
【在 H**U 的大作中提到】
: 左比总是瞎spin, 关于药效的问题，Trump专指terminal ill patient
: "TRUMP: I think you know most of my team and you folks have done a terrific
: job over the years, but we have to get prices down for a lot of reasons. We
: have no choice. Medicare, Medicaid we have to get the prices way down so
: that's what we're going to talk about.
: We need to streamline the process, so that, from your standpoint, when you
: have a drug, you can actually get it approved if it works, instead of
: waiting for many, many years.
: The U.S. drug companies have produced extraordinary results for our country
: but the pricing has been astronomical for our country. We need to do better.
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s*******u
发帖数: 2249 | |
b******s
发帖数: 2919 | |
S**H
发帖数: 1256 | |
r******t
发帖数: 8967 | 6 这么低的效果，不得都成了国内卖的灵芝胶囊啥的了？如果再搞出医保ｃｏｖｅｒ，到
时候大家都试一下，医保价格就到天上去了。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 这就make sense了，癌症药物很多其实就只对20%或者更少的病人有效，如果FDA不改革
: 这些药一个都过不了
:
: terrific
: We
: country
: better.
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m**k
发帖数: 1503 | 7 药最大的成本就在clinical trial上面，如果trial部分省了钱，药的价格会大大降低
的。
不过药还是药，FDA还是要查成分，查target，proof of concept，这就跟灵芝胶囊还
是不一样的。至于效果，如果你得了癌症，别说20%,就算1%也会抢着试的。
【在 r******t 的大作中提到】
: 这么低的效果，不得都成了国内卖的灵芝胶囊啥的了？如果再搞出医保ｃｏｖｅｒ，到
: 时候大家都试一下，医保价格就到天上去了。
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r******t
发帖数: 8967 | 8 灵芝也有人抢着买啊。target，proof of concept还不是靠吹，严新气功治白血病还发
过ＳＣＩ呢。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 药最大的成本就在clinical trial上面，如果trial部分省了钱，药的价格会大大降低
: 的。
: 不过药还是药，FDA还是要查成分，查target，proof of concept，这就跟灵芝胶囊还
: 是不一样的。至于效果，如果你得了癌症，别说20%,就算1%也会抢着试的。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 9 大家都用价格会涨？你的免死金牌可以掏出来了。
【在 r******t 的大作中提到】
: 这么低的效果，不得都成了国内卖的灵芝胶囊啥的了？如果再搞出医保ｃｏｖｅｒ，到
: 时候大家都试一下，医保价格就到天上去了。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 10 药物靶点靠吹。。。。
【在 r******t 的大作中提到】
: 灵芝也有人抢着买啊。target，proof of concept还不是靠吹，严新气功治白血病还发
: 过ＳＣＩ呢。
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 11 He will reopen import drugs from Canada. |
m**k
发帖数: 1503 | 12 靠吹？那你去吹呗，还有那个香港仔，你们有本事就在美国吹一个大力丸出来当药卖，
这么好的发财机会，还不跪谢川大大
【在 r******t 的大作中提到】
: 灵芝也有人抢着买啊。target，proof of concept还不是靠吹，严新气功治白血病还发
: 过ＳＣＩ呢。
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r*********t
发帖数: 4911 | 13 可以，澄清了。搞得我这个不明真相的群众，还以为trump为了砍药价搞一条鞭法。 |
B*Q
发帖数: 25729 | 14 不让medicare跟药商讨价
扯啥都是骗人的 |
r******t
发帖数: 8967 | 15 价格不会长，但会出一堆大力丸
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 大家都用价格会涨？你的免死金牌可以掏出来了。
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r******t
发帖数: 8967 | 16 韩春雨的ｐａｐｅｒ数据真假到现在还没说清呢。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 药物靶点靠吹。。。。
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S**H
发帖数: 1256 | 17 他说了让 medicaid 和medicare 和药厂谈价啊。
【在 B*Q 的大作中提到】
: 不让medicare跟药商讨价
: 扯啥都是骗人的
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 18 你吃韩春雨的论文治病哈。。。
【在 r******t 的大作中提到】
: 韩春雨的ｐａｐｅｒ数据真假到现在还没说清呢。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 19 谢谢你承认了前面的话违反了最起码的市场规律。
【在 r******t 的大作中提到】
: 价格不会长，但会出一堆大力丸
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r******t
发帖数: 8967 | 20 我说的是医保价格吧。大家集体开始吃大力丸，保险公司还不给你们涨保费啊。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢你承认了前面的话违反了最起码的市场规律。
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b******s
发帖数: 2919 | 21
这要感谢左逼，什么东西都要包括在保险。
【在 r******t 的大作中提到】
: 我说的是医保价格吧。大家集体开始吃大力丸，保险公司还不给你们涨保费啊。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 22 药物如果都能OTC，那医保就大大降价了。。。
【在 r******t 的大作中提到】
: 我说的是医保价格吧。大家集体开始吃大力丸，保险公司还不给你们涨保费啊。
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r******t
发帖数: 8967 | 23 这种新药保险不ｃｏｖｅｒ的话我支持这个提案。
以后干脆ＦＤＡ认证分两种。只通过Ｐｈａｓｅ Ｉ的允许卖但保险不ｃｏｖｅｒ。
【在 b******s 的大作中提到】
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: 这要感谢左逼，什么东西都要包括在保险。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 24 不在乎你是否支持，更不在乎你是否反抗。
【在 r******t 的大作中提到】
: 这种新药保险不ｃｏｖｅｒ的话我支持这个提案。
: 以后干脆ＦＤＡ认证分两种。只通过Ｐｈａｓｅ Ｉ的允许卖但保险不ｃｏｖｅｒ。
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a******5
发帖数: 2062 | 25 這個就對了，不止加拿大，中國印度。。。。。。
: He will reopen import drugs from Canada.
【在 n***s 的大作中提到】
: He will reopen import drugs from Canada.
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