E**********d
发帖数: 253 | 1 哈佛大学校报（The Harvard Crimson）7月刊出文章，捍卫该校的“平权措施”（
Affirmative Active），内容直指“没有平权措施的哈佛，整间教室恐怕都将是亚裔”。
而在亚裔控告哈佛案件曝光后，也有文章提及，过去已受指责的“传承生录取政策”（
legacy admissions policy），势将受到瞩目和反对。
司法部挺亚裔生 控哈佛“招生作业歧视亚裔”
哈佛大学“黑人学生协会”的学生作者洁思敏．希波莱（Jasmine N. Hyppolite）指出
，最近有关哈佛招生过程歧视亚裔申请人的控案，对未来有色人种接受高等教育的机会
构成威胁。
希波莱直言，反对“学生公平入学”(Students for Fair Admissions, SFFA）组织状
告哈佛的作法。
她表示，平权措施是不完美，它不成比例地对白人女性和中上阶层学生有利，对经济和
社会经济阶层学生没有给予足够的重视，但却是当前唯一针对受制度系统压迫的边缘社
区学生的政策，对有色人种学生接受高等教育，影响尤大。
希波莱写道，“没有它，有色人种学生的世界、学校和榜样，都会变得不同。”
作者指出，2013年资料显示，如果哈佛大学仅基于学业成绩，如SAT或ACT成绩及课程排
名，亚裔比率将增加一倍以上，达到43％。
亚裔美国人入学率过去10年增长29％，这个数字现在可能更高；由于注册哈佛的白人学
生百分比可能仍然很高，在此情况下，压缩了拉丁裔、黑人和原住民学生的录取空间。
另一篇文章作者哥登(Daniel Golden)7月16日则撰文指出，如果废除平权措施，毫无疑
问地，废除有利校友和捐助者子女入学标准之“传承生录取政策”(亦即“白人平权措
施”)的压力，也会增加；“平权措施”和“白人平权措施”的命运早已交织在一起。
所谓“传承生录取政策”，在精英大学行之有年；申请入学者若家中有人是校友，更有
机会获得校方录取。
哥登指出，目前有十几个精英学校的学生团体正动员反对“传承生录取政策”。哈佛指
控案中的数据表现，可能激起反对传承生的声浪。
哥登表示，其中一位值得注意的捐款者之子，正是川普女婿及白宫高级顾问库许纳(
Jared Kushner)。
哥登说，他2006年出版的“入学价格”（The Price of Adimssion）书中提到，尽管库
许纳高中成绩不怎么样，在他的父亲（非哈佛校友）、新泽西州房地产开发商查尔斯库
许纳（Charles Kushner）承诺捐款250万元后，哈佛大学最后接受了库许纳。 | M****H
发帖数: 1057 | 2 这篇文章的原文。内容我不评论，我只想说，这写作和逻辑水平，在中学生里也是平均
水准之下，怎么进的哈佛？说歪理可以，说歪理也可以也说得很圆满自洽，梁校就是典
型。但这篇哈佛学生的文章真的是弱到爆炸。
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/7/9/hyppolite-harvard-without-
affirmative-action/
A Room Full of Mirrors: Harvard Without Affirmative Action
By Jasmine N. Hyppolite July 9, 2018
Jasmine N. Hyppolite ’21 lives in Eliot House. She is political action
chair of the Black Students Association.
10
The recent news regarding accusations of disadvantages for and
discrimination against Asian-American applicants in the Harvard admissions
process has put several students in scenarios where they must defend their
admission to the College and prove why they deserve to be here. Constructed
by Students for Fair Admissions as part of its lawsuit against Harvard, such
allegations have provoked thoughts and conversations filled with do-I-
belong-here's and did-I-get-here-solely-because-of-affirmative-action's,
while catalyzing the growth of a credentialist culture where judgements of
others and constructions of social hierarchies are based solely on
accomplishments—all with little regard for individuals’ unique
circumstances. The case revives a threat to future students of color and
their chances of achieving higher education, on top of taking an emotional
toll on students of color at Harvard.
Students for Fair Admissions has taken a firm stand against affirmative
action and believes that “racial classifications and preferences in college
admissions are unfair, unnecessary, and unconstitutional.” While I believe
that consciousness of a student’s race in the college admissions process
is fair, necessary, and constitutional, I further stand against SFFA because
it is an organization that strives for color blindness. We are not
searching for fairness through erasure of our identities and struggles—
fairness never comes at such a cost.
Students for Fair Admissions seems to be looking to achieve something more
extreme than what lays on the surface of this particular case. Edward Blum,
president of SFFA, director of the Project on Fair Representation, and legal
strategist in the Fisher v. University of Texas Supreme Court case, has
been leading the fight against race conscious admissions and affirmative
action for decades. As we question why Blum is choosing to target Asian and
Asian-American students, why he’s doing it now, and what this has to do
with his recent 2016 near-victory in the Fisher case, I haven’t a doubt
that this case is a small part of a much larger plan to dismantle
affirmative action entirely.
Blum pulls no new tricks here. The use of Asian Americans as political props
is not a new tactic, and occurred during the 1980s against Stanford, Brown,
and other top schools. It is a clear cut example of racial mascoting and
exploitation of another social groups’ struggle for the benefit of one’s
own. While in no way aiming to invalidate or ignore the struggle Asians,
Asian Americans, and other groups face—one can only ask that as we grow to
understand each other’s struggles and oppressions, completed through
greater levels of diversity, I might add, that privilege is recognized and
institutionalized oppressions are not negated and nullified in the process.
Affirmative action stands as an imperfect policy. It disproportionately
benefits white women and favors upper-middle class students of color. Many
students, including myself, would also say it does not give enough attention
to economic and socioeconomic class. Nevertheless, it is the only policy
currently addressing the institutionalized and systematic oppressions
students from marginalized communities—especially students of color—face
in achieving higher education. Our world, our schools, and our role models
would be and look different without it.
If we were to picture a Harvard that didn’t recognize these challenges in
the admissions process, a Harvard without affirmative action, what would it
look like? Well, with affirmative action, adapted by many institutions with
the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the admitted class of 2020 was
the first one to be majority-minority. It took 53 years of affirmative
action at work for underrepresented groups to collectively represent a
majority—by just over one percent.
If Harvard were to admit individuals based solely on academic successes such
as grades, SAT or ACT scores, and class rankings, based on a reported
Harvard model from 2013, the percentage of Asians that make up the class
would more than double to 43 percent. This number may be even higher as the
rate of admission for Asian Americans has grown 29 percent over the last 10
years. Keeping this in mind, the gap between white students and students of
color is still quite wide when it comes to one of the most important
traditional indicators of academic success—standardized tests. Thus, the
percentage of white students enrolled at Harvard would most likely remain
high, and might even increase. Under this scenario, little room, if any,
would seem to be left for Brown and Black students. A Harvard like this
would accept students based on test scores and GPAs that are poor indicators
of merit, especially for Black, Latinx, and Native American students, which
are influenced by implicit biases teachers have about students of color.
Harvard, among many other colleges and universities, prides itself on the
communities it bridges and relationships it cultivates. Without diversity,
exposure to different and underrepresented perspectives, and recognition of
the hurdles students overcome, Harvard is, and many colleges would be, a
room full of mirrors; an echo chamber which never sees change as a product
of dialogue.
For this reason, the Black Student Association has worked with NAACP lawyers
to collect narratives and voices of Harvard students regarding affirmative
action and the overall positive impact it has had on the student body in
order to assist in the construction of an amicus brief.
The BSA stands with those who support affirmative action. Together, we stand
against Students for Fair Admissions as in their fight for color blindness
in higher education, we strive to be seen, we strive to be heard, and we
strive to have ourselves and journeys recognized while helping others do the
same. | a****1
发帖数: 634 | 3 期待听听您的高见：它的逻辑是如何不通？哪里不通？（没别的意思，只是想判断一下
这评价是否公允。）
是平均
就是典
【在 M****H 的大作中提到】
: 这篇文章的原文。内容我不评论，我只想说，这写作和逻辑水平，在中学生里也是平均
: 水准之下，怎么进的哈佛？说歪理可以，说歪理也可以也说得很圆满自洽，梁校就是典
: 型。但这篇哈佛学生的文章真的是弱到爆炸。
: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/7/9/hyppolite-harvard-without-
: affirmative-action/
: A Room Full of Mirrors: Harvard Without Affirmative Action
: By Jasmine N. Hyppolite July 9, 2018
: Jasmine N. Hyppolite ’21 lives in Eliot House. She is political action
: chair of the Black Students Association.
: 10
| M****H
发帖数: 1057 | 4 如果是错误，我可以指出哪里是错误。连错误都算不上的，怎么纠正错误？
要不你来给我上上课，理一理其中的逻辑？
（笑）
【在 a****1 的大作中提到】
: 期待听听您的高见：它的逻辑是如何不通？哪里不通？（没别的意思，只是想判断一下
: 这评价是否公允。）
:
: 是平均
: 就是典
| a****1
发帖数: 634 | 5 “这写作和逻辑水平，在中学生里也是平均水准之下”
我只是想知道这评语从何而来？然后我可以判断是否公允。纯属好奇，不想说/说不出
来也无所谓。 | M****H
发帖数: 1057 | 6 因为通篇没有逻辑？
要不你给我说说她的逻辑是啥，不想说/说不出来也无所谓。
【在 a****1 的大作中提到】
: “这写作和逻辑水平，在中学生里也是平均水准之下”
: 我只是想知道这评语从何而来？然后我可以判断是否公允。纯属好奇，不想说/说不出
: 来也无所谓。
| a****1
发帖数: 634 | 7 一、既然没有逻辑，何来 “逻辑水平在 xx 之下“？没有就是没有，没有
逻辑的文章叫做抒情文（or whatever），没有逻辑的抒情文何来逻辑水平给你批判？
二、好，你要我说我就说：其实我没仔细读，但随便瞄瞄就知道它至少有一个逻辑：若
不 AA，则亚裔学生就会很多。怎么样，说错了没有？
我直接戳穿你吧：你是瞎批评乱骂，胡乱找理由骂。 | g********0
发帖数: 6201 | | g********0
发帖数: 6201 | 9 体育界的Affirmative action应该是如下场景吧…… | z**********i
发帖数: 9546 | 10 没有平权措施的北美大陆
土著被边缘化了
……
也可以说这个不对
所以一开始就不要
……
难道凡事真的可以忽略“过程”？ | | | l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 11 这是不可能的
首先华裔没有那么多，其次极端优秀的华裔不一定都要堆到哈佛去
好比没有aa的加州大学系统，长期亚裔比例最高也就刚刚40%，就算华裔牛逼点，也顶
多就是20%而已 | d******y
发帖数: 2787 | 12 感谢网友贴出全文
其实我认为这篇文章的逻辑水平的确是fake news的好范文, 前后观点呼应下，中间搞
点个人攻击，塞点翻来覆去的narratives，承认点不足但是坚决不改就齐活了，AA进来
的政治活动积极分子也就这样了。咋能按梁效的写作水平来要求他们呢？
发信人: MTWASH (83), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 哈佛大学校报 “没有平权措施的哈佛，整间教室恐怕都将是亚裔
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 31 17:40:35 2018, 美东)
这篇文章的原文。内容我不评论，我只想说，这写作和逻辑水平，在中学生里也是平均
水准之下，怎么进的哈佛？说歪理可以，说歪理也可以也说得很圆满自洽，梁校就是典
型。但这篇哈佛学生的文章真的是弱到爆炸。
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/7/9/hyppolite-harvard-without-
affirmative-action/
A Room Full of Mirrors: Harvard Without Affirmative Action
By Jasmine N. Hyppolite July 9, 2018
Jasmine N. Hyppolite ’21 lives in Eliot House. She is political action
chair of the Black Students Association.
The recent news regarding accusations of disadvantages for and
discrimination against Asian-American applicants in the Harvard admissions
process has put several students in scenarios where they must defend their
admission to the College and prove why they deserve to be here. Constructed
by Students for Fair Admissions as part of its lawsuit against Harvard, such
allegations have provoked thoughts and conversations filled with do-I-
belong-here's and did-I-get-here-solely-because-of-affirmative-action's,
while catalyzing the growth of a credentialist culture where judgements of
others and constructions of social hierarchies are based solely on
accomplishments—all with little regard for individuals’ unique
circumstances. The case revives a threat to future students of color and
their chances of achieving higher education, on top of taking an emotional
toll on students of color at Harvard.
自己承认有部分人是靠AA挤占别人的名额进的哈佛，很好，有自知之明
(自动语法提示: judgement没有复数)
Students for Fair Admissions has taken a firm stand against affirmative
action and believes that “racial classifications and preferences in college
admissions are unfair, unnecessary, and unconstitutional.” While I believe
that consciousness of a student’s race in the college admissions process
is fair, necessary, and constitutional, I further stand against SFFA because
it is an organization that strives for color blindness. We are not
searching for fairness through erasure of our identities and struggles—
fairness never comes at such a cost.
立论旗帜鲜明地反对color-blindness，很不错，要是引用一下马丁路德金的讲话就更
好了:)
Students for Fair Admissions seems to be looking to achieve something more
extreme than what lays on the surface of this particular case. Edward Blum,
president of SFFA, director of the Project on Fair Representation, and legal
strategist in the Fisher v. University of Texas Supreme Court case, has
been leading the fight against race conscious admissions and affirmative
action for decades. As we question why Blum is choosing to target Asian and
Asian-American students, why he’s doing it now, and what this has to do
with his recent 2016 near-victory in the Fisher case, I haven’t a doubt
that this case is a small part of a much larger plan to dismantle
affirmative action entirely.
这段包藏祸心，攻击别人出发点，左左们常用手段，但是是不是应该放后面好点
这里target一词值得商榷，好像是害亚裔似的，我去
Blum pulls no new tricks here. The use of Asian Americans as political props
is not a new tactic, and occurred during the 1980s against Stanford, Brown,
and other top schools. It is a clear cut example of racial mascoting and
exploitation of another social groups’ struggle for the benefit of one’s
own. While in no way aiming to invalidate or ignore the struggle Asians,
Asian Americans, and other groups face—one can only ask that as we grow to
understand each other’s struggles and oppressions, completed through
greater levels of diversity, I might add, that privilege is recognized and
institutionalized oppressions are not negated and nullified in the process.
继续脱离论点攻击动机，整段左左们的narratives没有论证
(自动语法提示: opperession也没有复数; mascot是名词，就算化成动词也是
mascotting)
Affirmative action stands as an imperfect policy. It disproportionately
benefits white women and favors upper-middle class students of color. Many
students, including myself, would also say it does not give enough attention
to economic and socioeconomic class. Nevertheless, it is the only policy
currently addressing the institutionalized and systematic oppressions
students from marginalized communities—especially students of color—face
in achieving higher education. Our world, our schools, and our role models
would be and look different without it.
这段承认race based admission受益的是上层，却扯上白女，你TMD是在攻击color
blindness好吗。真是和通稿IOWA凶手是immigrant而不是非法移民的fake news一个模
式培养出来的
If we were to picture a Harvard that didn’t recognize these challenges in
the admissions process, a Harvard without affirmative action, what would it
look like? Well, with affirmative action, adapted by many institutions with
the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the admitted class of 2020 was
the first one to be majority-minority. It took 53 years of affirmative
action at work for underrepresented groups to collectively represent a
majority—by just over one percent.
前半段, 如果哈佛承认AA不足，直接搞socioeconomic based也行啊，偏不改, 否则我
们挤进来的就该让位给底层努力学习的孩子了
后半段拿种族比例做评判标准这个论调简直了，下一步直接搞考试成绩, 工作, 监狱AA
好了，要不体育, 艺术界AA也行，你们猜猜作者会选哪个来搞
If Harvard were to admit individuals based solely on academic successes such
as grades, SAT or ACT scores, and class rankings, based on a reported
Harvard model from 2013, the percentage of Asians that make up the class
would more than double to 43 percent. This number may be even higher as the
rate of admission for Asian Americans has grown 29 percent over the last 10
years. Keeping this in mind, the gap between white students and students of
color is still quite wide when it comes to one of the most important
traditional indicators of academic success—standardized tests. Thus, the
percentage of white students enrolled at Harvard would most likely remain
high, and might even increase. Under this scenario, little room, if any,
would seem to be left for Brown and Black students. A Harvard like this
would accept students based on test scores and GPAs that are poor indicators
of merit, especially for Black, Latino, and Native American students, which
are influenced by implicit biases teachers have about students of color.
赤裸裸的承认自己种族非笨即懒，客观上比不过Asian，所以反对race blindness。我
们的merit学术成绩无法衡量，加点贩毒抢劫泡妞之类的标准差不多
白人：为啥咱又躺枪了昵？
Harvard, among many other colleges and universities, prides itself on the
communities it bridges and relationships it cultivates. Without diversity,
exposure to different and underrepresented perspectives, and recognition of
the hurdles students overcome, Harvard is, and many colleges would be, a
room full of mirrors; an echo chamber which never sees change as a product
of dialogue.
又是diversity的陈词滥调，大学应该鼓励底层的学生求学上进，而不是投对胎不是吗
For this reason, the Black Student Association has worked with NAACP lawyers
to collect narratives and voices of Harvard students regarding affirmative
action and the overall positive impact it has had on the student body in
order to assist in the construction of an amicus brief.
The BSA stands with those who support affirmative action. Together, we stand
against Students for Fair Admissions as in their fight for color blindness
in higher education, we strive to be seen, we strive to be heard, and we
strive to have ourselves and journeys recognized while helping others do the
same.
结论就是，我们是race based的受益方，坚决不能放弃既得利益, 管它对不对好不好
【在 M****H 的大作中提到】
: 因为通篇没有逻辑？
: 要不你给我说说她的逻辑是啥，不想说/说不出来也无所谓。
| k*******g
发帖数: 7321 | 13 学校是培养人材的，不是养猪的地方,蛤佛想养猪,随他便 | A******e
发帖数: 655 | 14 这个可不可以呈堂做为歧视亚裔的证据？
: 这篇文章的原文。内容我不评论，我只想说，这写作和逻辑水平，在中学生里也
是平均
: 水准之下，怎么进的哈佛？说歪理可以，说歪理也可以也说得很圆满自洽，梁校
就是典
: 型。但这篇哈佛学生的文章真的是弱到爆炸。
: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/7/9/hyppolite-harvard-without-
: affirmative-action/
: A Room Full of Mirrors: Harvard Without Affirmative Action
: By Jasmine N. Hyppolite July 9, 2018
: Jasmine N. Hyppolite ’21 lives in Eliot House. She is political
action
: chair of the Black Students Association.
: 10
【在 M****H 的大作中提到】
: 因为通篇没有逻辑？
: 要不你给我说说她的逻辑是啥，不想说/说不出来也无所谓。
| a**e
发帖数: 8800 | 15 果然最歧视黑人的是黑人。
：哈佛大学校报（The Harvard Crimson）7月刊出文章，捍卫该校的“平权措施”（
：Affirmative Active），内容直指“没有平权措施的哈佛，整间教室恐怕都将是亚裔
”。 | y******9
发帖数: 606 | 16 你是认真的吗？没有逻辑难道不是在平均逻辑水平之下？比如逻辑满分10分，平均分5
分，0分难道不在5分之下？？？
: 一、既然没有逻辑，何来 “逻辑水平在 xx 之下“？没有就是没有，没有
: 逻辑的文章叫做抒情文（or whatever），没有逻辑的抒情文何来逻辑水平给你
批判？
: 二、好，你要我说我就说：其实我没仔细读，但随便瞄瞄就知道它至少有一个逻
辑：若
: 不 AA，则亚裔学生就会很多。怎么样，说错了没有？
: 我直接戳穿你吧：你是瞎批评乱骂，胡乱找理由骂。
【在 a****1 的大作中提到】
: 一、既然没有逻辑，何来 “逻辑水平在 xx 之下“？没有就是没有，没有
: 逻辑的文章叫做抒情文（or whatever），没有逻辑的抒情文何来逻辑水平给你批判？
: 二、好，你要我说我就说：其实我没仔细读，但随便瞄瞄就知道它至少有一个逻辑：若
: 不 AA，则亚裔学生就会很多。怎么样，说错了没有？
: 我直接戳穿你吧：你是瞎批评乱骂，胡乱找理由骂。
| l******r
发帖数: 1642 | 17 So what?
NBA 全是老黑不也一样好好的
”。
【在 E**********d 的大作中提到】
: 哈佛大学校报（The Harvard Crimson）7月刊出文章，捍卫该校的“平权措施”（
: Affirmative Active），内容直指“没有平权措施的哈佛，整间教室恐怕都将是亚裔”。
: 而在亚裔控告哈佛案件曝光后，也有文章提及，过去已受指责的“传承生录取政策”（
: legacy admissions policy），势将受到瞩目和反对。
: 司法部挺亚裔生 控哈佛“招生作业歧视亚裔”
: 哈佛大学“黑人学生协会”的学生作者洁思敏．希波莱（Jasmine N. Hyppolite）指出
: ，最近有关哈佛招生过程歧视亚裔申请人的控案，对未来有色人种接受高等教育的机会
: 构成威胁。
: 希波莱直言，反对“学生公平入学”(Students for Fair Admissions, SFFA）组织状
: 告哈佛的作法。
| A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 18 呵呵，Jasmine这个名字你不知道是什么族裔？你居然还要问它怎么进的哈佛。这个弱
智女就是个活生生的哈佛种族歧视招生证据。
【在 M****H 的大作中提到】
: 这篇文章的原文。内容我不评论，我只想说，这写作和逻辑水平，在中学生里也是平均
: 水准之下，怎么进的哈佛？说歪理可以，说歪理也可以也说得很圆满自洽，梁校就是典
: 型。但这篇哈佛学生的文章真的是弱到爆炸。
: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/7/9/hyppolite-harvard-without-
: affirmative-action/
: A Room Full of Mirrors: Harvard Without Affirmative Action
: By Jasmine N. Hyppolite July 9, 2018
: Jasmine N. Hyppolite ’21 lives in Eliot House. She is political action
: chair of the Black Students Association.
: 10
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发帖数: 1 | 19 "自己承认有部分人是靠AA挤占别人的名额进的哈佛，很好，有自知之明
(自动语法提示: judgement没有复数)"
只是就閣下指出的語法問題感到困惑,因為,judgement明明是有複數形式的...
judgements of others沒毛病啊.
鄙人對此文章本身觀點不置可否,也不偏聽一家之言.但鄙人不支持AA招生指導意見.
【在 d******y 的大作中提到】
: 感谢网友贴出全文
: 其实我认为这篇文章的逻辑水平的确是fake news的好范文, 前后观点呼应下，中间搞
: 点个人攻击，塞点翻来覆去的narratives，承认点不足但是坚决不改就齐活了，AA进来
: 的政治活动积极分子也就这样了。咋能按梁效的写作水平来要求他们呢？
:
: 发信人: MTWASH (83), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Re: 哈佛大学校报 “没有平权措施的哈佛，整间教室恐怕都将是亚裔
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 31 17:40:35 2018, 美东)
: 这篇文章的原文。内容我不评论，我只想说，这写作和逻辑水平，在中学生里也是平均
: 水准之下，怎么进的哈佛？说歪理可以，说歪理也可以也说得很圆满自洽，梁校就是典
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