f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 1 这是笑话吧，法官列举哈佛方一位亚裔招生官的话来证明亚裔没收歧视
For example, Senior Admission Officer Charlene Kim24 was asked
what her reaction was to the allegation that Harvard discriminated against
Asian Americans. She
responded:
I think now just concern. It’s not what I know our office to be. It’s not
who I am.
. . . I would never be part of a process that would discriminate against
anybody, let
alone people that looked like me, like my family, like my friends, like my
daughter.
And so I’m actually really grateful to be able to be here to share my
little bit of my
experience on the admissions committee . . . . I’m not here to say that it
’s perfect,
but I know that we don’t discriminate against anyone. |
a******5
发帖数: 2062 | 2 唉。。。。这么简单的逻辑都搞不清楚？
她不是“证明亚裔没受歧视”，她只是说她自己没有歧视。至于有没有被其他人歧视，
不在她的证词范围。
not
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 这是笑话吧，法官列举哈佛方一位亚裔招生官的话来证明亚裔没收歧视
: For example, Senior Admission Officer Charlene Kim24 was asked
: what her reaction was to the allegation that Harvard discriminated against
: Asian Americans. She
: responded:
: I think now just concern. It’s not what I know our office to be. It’s not
: who I am.
: . . . I would never be part of a process that would discriminate against
: anybody, let
: alone people that looked like me, like my family, like my friends, like my
|
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 3 如果说哈佛真正推崇多样性的话，那么针对亚裔的那些偏见也应该是多样性里的一种。
安静，矜持，努力工作，这些性格特点为什么就要被减分？这些特点就不能成为杰出的
领导者？希特勒还很安静害羞呢。
下面是招生官对亚裔的评语
“He’s quiet and, of course, wants to be a doctor . . .” |
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 4 你是狗翻译读的英文吗？
【在 a******5 的大作中提到】
: 唉。。。。这么简单的逻辑都搞不清楚？
: 她不是“证明亚裔没受歧视”，她只是说她自己没有歧视。至于有没有被其他人歧视，
: 不在她的证词范围。
:
: not
|
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 5 哈佛辩解说种族只是加分项，不是减分项。这是把人当白痴吗？
Race is only intentionally considered as a
positive attribute. |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 6 在2012年附近的模型里，反AA方的模型得出结论，亚裔身份受歧视。
哈佛为了反驳，增加了一个变量家庭收入。家庭收入低的更容易被录取，而亚裔收入普
遍高。
然而，进一步的统计里穷的亚裔学生依然处于不利地位。
This updated analysis suggested
that although low-income Asian American applicants were provided a tip
relative to their higher
income Asian American peers, the magnitude of that tip might not overcome
the negative
relationship between Asian racial identity and admissions outcome, when
holding constant some
variation in the profile ratings, gender, and applicants’ academic index. |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 7 2014年SFFA成立反哈佛网站，哈佛立即成立一个新的委员会，探讨以种族中立的方式招
生。然而这个招生委员会毫无作为，原因如下
the conflicting scheduling demands of many committee members. |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 8 哈佛曾经为了扩大边远地区学生数目，降低了这些地区的分数线要求，然而，单单亚裔
的分数线要求没变。 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 9 奥巴马法官的洗地。注意里面的 More recent
The Court credits the admissions officers’ testimony and concludes that
Harvard has
made clear to its admissions officers in more recent years that they should
not use race in
assigning the profile ratings. Harvard perhaps should have instituted an
explicit written policy
stating which ratings could take race into account before 2018, but that
error has now been
remedied. |
d*******y
发帖数: 2710 | 10 本来也没有歧视，只是照方抓药
药方就是种族配额。
既然是种族配额，当然不可能只按分数。
所以要废除AA |
|
|
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 11 Standard strong
这是哈佛给各项表现都不错却不录取的学生的一个标准叫法。
Approximately 15% of Asian American
applicants in the original 10% sample were labeled standard strong, compared
to 12% of white
applicants, 4% of Hispanic applicants, and 1% of African American applicants. |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 12 种族配额就是种族歧视，是用种族来特殊对待某些种族里杰出或者落后的个体。
【在 d*******y 的大作中提到】
: 本来也没有歧视，只是照方抓药
: 药方就是种族配额。
: 既然是种族配额，当然不可能只按分数。
: 所以要废除AA
|
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 13 双方的统计学家方法不一样导致结论不一样。
SFFA的方法里，没有包括运动员，教工子弟，特殊关系，这些占三十趴，在模型里没有
考虑歧视亚裔的个人性格评分。
哈佛方包括所有学生，然后再细分为每个招生周期，考虑了性格评分。
所以，我认为，关键中的关键就是这个个人性格评分。 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 14 SFFA方的模型还发现，如果把申请学生按照可以录取指数排序的话，亚裔大部分落
在高端，然后落在高端的亚裔学生的性格评分相对低。
22.2% of Asian Americans in the top decile of applicants by
academic index (i.e. those with the strongest high school GPA and
standardized test scores)
receive personal ratings of 1 or 2, compared to 29.6% of whites, 34.2% of
Hispanics, and 47% of
African Americans; |
h****g
发帖数: 2216 | 15 这法官没有念拖字诀就算不错的了。
下一步是巡回法院。估计要一到两年。这官司等最高法院判决估计要等到2022年了。
not
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 这是笑话吧，法官列举哈佛方一位亚裔招生官的话来证明亚裔没收歧视
: For example, Senior Admission Officer Charlene Kim24 was asked
: what her reaction was to the allegation that Harvard discriminated against
: Asian Americans. She
: responded:
: I think now just concern. It’s not what I know our office to be. It’s not
: who I am.
: . . . I would never be part of a process that would discriminate against
: anybody, let
: alone people that looked like me, like my family, like my friends, like my
|
d*******r
发帖数: 590 | 16 “There is no evidence of any racial animus whatsoever or intentional
discrimination on the part of Harvard beyond its use of a race conscious
admissions policy.”
洗地最不要脸的是这句，意思就是，如果忽略哈佛考虑种族的录取政策，就不会发现有
种族歧视。 |
v*******e
发帖数: 11604 | 17 是好事，可以打破中国人的平等幻想，了解到人都是傻逼，权利要靠争取，是等不来的。
: “There is no evidence of any racial animus whatsoever or intentional
: discrimination on the part of Harvard beyond its use of a race
conscious
: admissions policy.”
: 洗地最不要脸的是这句，意思就是，如果忽略哈佛考虑种族的录取政策，就不会
发现有
: 种族歧视。
【在 d*******r 的大作中提到】
: “There is no evidence of any racial animus whatsoever or intentional
: discrimination on the part of Harvard beyond its use of a race conscious
: admissions policy.”
: 洗地最不要脸的是这句，意思就是，如果忽略哈佛考虑种族的录取政策，就不会发现有
: 种族歧视。
|
x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 18 +1
没有证据显示纳粹德国发动了曾经发动过战争，除了二战以外
【在 d*******r 的大作中提到】
: “There is no evidence of any racial animus whatsoever or intentional
: discrimination on the part of Harvard beyond its use of a race conscious
: admissions policy.”
: 洗地最不要脸的是这句，意思就是，如果忽略哈佛考虑种族的录取政策，就不会发现有
: 种族歧视。
|
p**j
发帖数: 7063 | 19 这就是典型的例子，如果一个歧视亚裔的亚裔上台，反而会对亚裔地位起很强的反作用。
not
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 这是笑话吧，法官列举哈佛方一位亚裔招生官的话来证明亚裔没收歧视
: For example, Senior Admission Officer Charlene Kim24 was asked
: what her reaction was to the allegation that Harvard discriminated against
: Asian Americans. She
: responded:
: I think now just concern. It’s not what I know our office to be. It’s not
: who I am.
: . . . I would never be part of a process that would discriminate against
: anybody, let
: alone people that looked like me, like my family, like my friends, like my
|
l*****o
发帖数: 19235 | 20 是证明法官是白痴，哈弗成功了。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 哈佛辩解说种族只是加分项，不是减分项。这是把人当白痴吗？
: Race is only intentionally considered as a
: positive attribute.
|
|
|
j****l
发帖数: 3356 | 21 这个加分可能是对的
亚裔加1分，黑人加451分，和分析出的结果录取的亚裔要高黑人450分完全吻合啊
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 哈佛辩解说种族只是加分项，不是减分项。这是把人当白痴吗？
: Race is only intentionally considered as a
: positive attribute.
|
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 22 奥巴马法官攻击为什么没有一个亚裔学生站出来。问题是，在Fisher一案里，fisher本
人承受多少羞辱，被说她不够格。
假设有个亚裔终于站出来，那么在法庭上一定会受到极大的煎熬。譬如你看他声音太小
缺乏领导力，你看他个子太小在人群里没法醒目。该死的主观性极大的性格评分。。。
SFFA did not present a single admissions file that reflected any
discriminatory animus, or even an application of an Asian American who it
contended should have or would have been admitted absent an unfairly
deflated personal rating. |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 23 在前面的事实陈述里，奥巴马法官说哈佛几个大头目每年有那么一页统计，里面有基于
种族的数字统计。后面的结论里，法官的结论是哈佛没有平衡种族。
前面
To do this tracking, Dean Fitzsimmons, Director McGrath, and a few other
admissions officers receive “one-pagers” that provide a snapshot of the
projected class and compare it to the prior year. [Id. at 80:2–5; Oct. 23
Tr. 178:21–179:10]. The one-pagers contain statistics on applications and
admission rates by gender, geography, academic interest, legacy status,
financial aid circumstances, citizenship status, racial or ethnic group, and
on recruited athlete status and applicants flagged as disadvantaged. [Oct.
18 Tr. at 77:5–78:2]; e.g. [PX165 at 2]. Application Review Process [DD1
at 4]. Case 1:14-cv-14176-ADB Document 672 Filed 09/30/19 Page 27 of
130
28The racial breakdown shown on the one-pagers is provided based on three
methodologies, the “old methodology,” the “new methodology,” and the
federal government’s “Integrated Postsecondary Educational Data System” (
“IPEDS”), [Oct. 18 Tr. 78:3–13]; e.g. [PX165 at 3], with the Admissions
Office preferring the new methodology.22 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 24 实际上，奥巴马法官的下一个结论就是在自己打脸。丫引用各种判例的数据说，如果考
虑种族，那么其他少数民族的数字会大幅增加。
这不是平衡种族是什么？平衡这词有那么复杂，那么难理解？
In Fisher II, the Supreme Court noted that the proportion of Hispanic and
African American applicants admitted through UT Austin’s holistic review
process in 2007, when race was considered, had increased 54% and 94%, r
还有密大判决
“underrepresented minority students would have constituted 4 percent of the
entering class in 2000 instead of the actual figure of 14.5 percent,” |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 25 基于政府的种族特殊政策按照司法标准，一定要经过最严格检视。最严格检视意味着要
先穷尽其他种族中立招生措施。
SFFA已经给出了种族中里的措施，即按地域招生，实施地域限额。那么奥巴马法官的洗
地如下。“哈佛理论上可以实施SFFA建议的方法，然而种族多样化的程度达不到”
你丫没做过怎么知道？这叫穷尽种族中立招生措施？
These issues aside, although Harvard could theoretically impose some form of
geographic, place-based quota system, it could not achieve comparable
racial diversity through such a program without a significant decline in the
academic strength of its class. |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 26 奥巴马法官承认了性格评分亚裔非常差，其他学术亚裔很好。
问题是，学术是硬指标，性格评分是主观指标。
在崇尚多元化的年代，为什么一定要外向高大能跳舞善演说会社交才是录取的标准？一
个害羞的希特勒不是个杰出的领导者？一个在游戏圈里叱咤风云的亚裔锁男不是一个领
导者？一个能开创出一门学科引领无数后继者的科学家如张益唐不是领袖？
There is a statistical difference in the personal ratings with white
applicants faring better that Asian American applicants. Asian American
applicants, however, do better on the extracurricular and academic ratings
than their white counterparts. |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 27 Although Asian Americans can and do bring important and diverse perspectives
to Harvard, because only about 6% of the United States population is Asian
American compared to nearly a quarter of Harvard’s class, it is reasonable
for Harvard to determine that students from other minority backgrounds are
more likely to offer perspectives that are less abundant in its classes and
to therefore primarily offer race-based tips to those students
丫挺的奥巴马法官的这句话不是教科书式的种族平衡？ |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 28 Allison Dale Burroughs
Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts
Incumbent
Assumed office
December 19, 2014
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
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Appointed by Barack Obama
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Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
Appointed by Barack Obama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Dale_Burroughs |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 29 看完了。
在我看来，这些支持判决都在基于一个海市蜃楼的假设，即多元化是国家紧迫利益。
这个假设在bakke一案里由高院确立，只是一块纠正当年种族歧视的遮羞布。不是两院
通过的法律，也没有总统签名，只是高院里几个法官自创的标准。
真正的多元化，是不经选择的多元化，放在教育界，是思想的多元化。当左派认为一个
人可以自己定义为男为女的时候，为什么却认为一个种族的人不可以站在其他种族的角
度想问题？要知道，肤色永远只有一张皮肤这么深。
基于SFFA资源所限而哈佛富可敌国，SFFA从未在多元化一事上挑战过高院。期待高院的
保守派法官废除掉这一条由高院自己确立的所谓标准，所谓多元化是国家紧迫利益。要
是这是国家紧迫利益的话，经历了将近百年，还紧迫？
问苍茫大地，何时是个尽头？ |
t********i
发帖数: 7856 | 30 特朗普2020年连任很重要。
有可能金丝鸨熬不住退休或挂掉。老川连任的话，又可以加一个保守派大法官。
就算2022年最高法判SFFA输，只要有人以后继续努力前仆后继，还有希望。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 看完了。
: 在我看来，这些支持判决都在基于一个海市蜃楼的假设，即多元化是国家紧迫利益。
: 这个假设在bakke一案里由高院确立，只是一块纠正当年种族歧视的遮羞布。不是两院
: 通过的法律，也没有总统签名，只是高院里几个法官自创的标准。
: 真正的多元化，是不经选择的多元化，放在教育界，是思想的多元化。当左派认为一个
: 人可以自己定义为男为女的时候，为什么却认为一个种族的人不可以站在其他种族的角
: 度想问题？要知道，肤色永远只有一张皮肤这么深。
: 基于SFFA资源所限而哈佛富可敌国，SFFA从未在多元化一事上挑战过高院。期待高院的
: 保守派法官废除掉这一条由高院自己确立的所谓标准，所谓多元化是国家紧迫利益。要
: 是这是国家紧迫利益的话，经历了将近百年，还紧迫？
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f*****n
发帖数: 12752 | 31 多元化是愿景，是要通过共同进步相互帮助从而自然而然达到的。现在的所谓多元化，
完全是霸道的
人工选择。
对这个判决非常失望。我替我佛向世界人民道歉。这一天是我的耻辱 |
