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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 1 都是 opinion，感受，这些 要是能拿来 搞 弹劾，总统的次次被弹劾，
你看看 老牛 的 opinion ：我觉得 很有道理，都是 老配自己说的。。还有历史数据
对比！
Newt Gingrich: Pelosi’s Halloween impeachment vote was an enormous
strategic defeat – Let me explain，
############
意见1: 老配自己打脸，说要两党共识，搞了7个月，没说服一个 GOP，自己丢俩；连反
trump GOP Senator Ben Sasse 都call it “a partisan clown show.” hype 好几天
的深喉 现在成了 liability ，自己都不好意思拿出来作证！
She admitted seven months ago, in a March 6 interview with The Washington
Post, that a purely partisan impeachment vote was wrong and dangerous. She
was right. Here are her own words:
“I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I haven’t said this to any press
person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this,
impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so
compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down
that path because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.”
Measured by that standard, the Thursday vote was a terrible failure. The
House voted in an entirely partisan manner except for two Democrats who
split to vote no with the Republicans.
Months of leaks, secret investigations, news media hysteria, and a parade of
witnesses failed to move a single Republican to vote yes.
The so-called whistleblower has decayed into a potential liability so much
the Democrats are now talking about never bringing him to testify.
Senate Republicans have been so turned off by the House Democrats that
Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska, one of President Trump’s more outspoken
Republican members, has called their effort “a partisan clown show.” | c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 2 意见2: 对比 1998 老克那词弹劾，差别明显，那才叫 有 两党 共识 的！民众的 poll
也 对民主党不利！美国人民知道啥叫 公平/正义 程序。。
The contrast with the last impeachment vote is striking. In 1998, 31
Democrats voted with the Republicans to create a bipartisan 257-176 majority
for moving forward with impeachment.
By contrast not only did no Republicans vote for the Pelosi impeachment, but
she also lost two Democrats despite enormous pressure within the caucus.
The American people understand the difference between a fair and an unfair
process. As Ron Faucheux reported in the October 32 Lunchtime Politics,
there is an Economist/YouGov poll (October 27-29) which reported that 49
percent of Americans thought the Clinton impeachment proceedings were fair.
Only 25 percent thought they were unfair and 27 percent weren’t sure.
Of those who thought the process was fair in the 1990s, 37 percent were
Democrats, 42 percent were independents, and 73 percent were Republicans.
In answer to the question: “Do you think trying to impeach Bill Clinton and
remove him from office back in the 1990s was a type of coup?” 55
percent of respondents said no (18 percent said yes, and 27 percent were not
sure).
When I was Speaker, we followed the bipartisan impeachment rules pioneered
by Democratic Judiciary Committee Chairman Peter Rodino in 1973 (see
Catching Our Flag by former Congressman Jim Rogan for a detailed day-by-day
outline of Rodino’s impact on our efforts in 1998).
The result was that – by 2:1 – the American people thought Republicans
were fair in 1998.
Furthermore, because the Clinton impeachment was initiated by Independent
Counsel Ken Starr’s report that President Clinton had committed 11
potential offenses – including perjury (which is a felony) – the American
people concluded the impeachment was not primarily partisan. By 3:1 people
believed the 1998 effort was not an attempted coup.
By contrast, because Speaker Pelosi has allowed her left-wing to drive her
into an entirely partisan, secret, and one-sided witch hunt, there is an
overwhelming belief among Republicans and many independents that this effort
is a coup d’etat, which is a sore losers’ effort rather than an
impeachment based on the merits.
Just on Thursday Ron Faucheux reported on a Suffolk University/USA Today
poll (October 23-26) that asserted only 36 percent favored impeaching
President Trump.
Speaker Pelosi had seven months with total control of the investigative
machinery. During that time, her team should have produced adequate
information to convince the vast majority of Americans that impeachment was
necessary or they should have confronted their own failure and quietly
dropped the impeachment effort.
The Speaker Pelosi of March was strategically correct in her assessment that
impeachment is inherently a crisis of government since one branch is
seeking to overturn the votes of the American people.
Measured against her own standard, the vote on Halloween was a terrible
defeat which is likely to haunt the House Democrats through the 2020
election.
That vote will cost a lot of Democrats their seats next year. When combined
with the radicalism of the national Democratic candidates for president, and
the continued economic growth under President Trump’s policies, it is
likely that Thursday’s vote guaranteed this would be a one-term Democratic
majority, and we will be hearing from Speaker Kevin McCarthy in 2021.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 都是 opinion，感受，这些 要是能拿来 搞 弹劾，总统的次次被弹劾，
: 你看看 老牛 的 opinion ：我觉得 很有道理，都是 老配自己说的。。还有历史数据
: 对比！
: Newt Gingrich: Pelosi’s Halloween impeachment vote was an enormous
: strategic defeat – Let me explain，
: ############
: 意见1: 老配自己打脸，说要两党共识，搞了7个月，没说服一个 GOP，自己丢俩；连反
: trump GOP Senator Ben Sasse 都call it “a partisan clown show.” hype 好几天
: 的深喉 现在成了 liability ，自己都不好意思拿出来作证！
: She admitted seven months ago, in a March 6 interview with The Washington
| c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 3 意见的总结 就是 这句：
because Speaker Pelosi has allowed her left-wing to drive her into an
entirely partisan, secret, and one-sided witch hunt, there is an
overwhelming belief among Republicans and many independents that this effort
is a coup d’etat, which is a sore losers’ effort rather than an
impeachment based on the merits.
poll
majority
but
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 意见2: 对比 1998 老克那词弹劾，差别明显，那才叫 有 两党 共识 的！民众的 poll
: 也 对民主党不利！美国人民知道啥叫 公平/正义 程序。。
: The contrast with the last impeachment vote is striking. In 1998, 31
: Democrats voted with the Republicans to create a bipartisan 257-176 majority
: for moving forward with impeachment.
: By contrast not only did no Republicans vote for the Pelosi impeachment, but
: she also lost two Democrats despite enormous pressure within the caucus.
: The American people understand the difference between a fair and an unfair
: process. As Ron Faucheux reported in the October 32 Lunchtime Politics,
: there is an Economist/YouGov poll (October 27-29) which reported that 49
| G****1
发帖数: 8414 | 4 Trump： F you, Nancy!
Nacy on FNN: he raped me.
Anderson on FNN: he raped the speaker of the house violently.
Trump: F the liars on FNN.
Anderson and Don on FNN: he raped us violently, our anus( they share one) is
bleeding. | a****1
发帖数: 634 | 5 中国人总想着找台湾人麻烦，敲锣打鼓，到处开楼，吸引注意力。中国人是个肚里没货
只能靠开新楼吸引注意力的 attention whore。
I mean, seriously，中国人就不能讲点有营养、thought-provoking，值得我理睬的话
吗？这种哭嚎有什么意义？ | c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 6 都是 opinion，感受，这些 要是能拿来 搞 弹劾，总统的次次被弹劾，
你看看 老牛 的 opinion ：我觉得 很有道理，都是 老配自己说的。。还有历史数据
对比！
Newt Gingrich: Pelosi’s Halloween impeachment vote was an enormous
strategic defeat – Let me explain，
############
意见1: 老配自己打脸，说要两党共识，搞了7个月，没说服一个 GOP，自己丢俩；连反
trump GOP Senator Ben Sasse 都call it “a partisan clown show.” hype 好几天
的深喉 现在成了 liability ，自己都不好意思拿出来作证！
She admitted seven months ago, in a March 6 interview with The Washington
Post, that a purely partisan impeachment vote was wrong and dangerous. She
was right. Here are her own words:
“I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I haven’t said this to any press
person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this,
impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so
compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down
that path because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.”
Measured by that standard, the Thursday vote was a terrible failure. The
House voted in an entirely partisan manner except for two Democrats who
split to vote no with the Republicans.
Months of leaks, secret investigations, news media hysteria, and a parade of
witnesses failed to move a single Republican to vote yes.
The so-called whistleblower has decayed into a potential liability so much
the Democrats are now talking about never bringing him to testify.
Senate Republicans have been so turned off by the House Democrats that
Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska, one of President Trump’s more outspoken
Republican members, has called their effort “a partisan clown show.” | c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 7 意见2: 对比 1998 老克那词弹劾，差别明显，那才叫 有 两党 共识 的！民众的 poll
也 对民主党不利！美国人民知道啥叫 公平/正义 程序。。
The contrast with the last impeachment vote is striking. In 1998, 31
Democrats voted with the Republicans to create a bipartisan 257-176 majority
for moving forward with impeachment.
By contrast not only did no Republicans vote for the Pelosi impeachment, but
she also lost two Democrats despite enormous pressure within the caucus.
The American people understand the difference between a fair and an unfair
process. As Ron Faucheux reported in the October 32 Lunchtime Politics,
there is an Economist/YouGov poll (October 27-29) which reported that 49
percent of Americans thought the Clinton impeachment proceedings were fair.
Only 25 percent thought they were unfair and 27 percent weren’t sure.
Of those who thought the process was fair in the 1990s, 37 percent were
Democrats, 42 percent were independents, and 73 percent were Republicans.
In answer to the question: “Do you think trying to impeach Bill Clinton and
remove him from office back in the 1990s was a type of coup?” 55
percent of respondents said no (18 percent said yes, and 27 percent were not
sure).
When I was Speaker, we followed the bipartisan impeachment rules pioneered
by Democratic Judiciary Committee Chairman Peter Rodino in 1973 (see
Catching Our Flag by former Congressman Jim Rogan for a detailed day-by-day
outline of Rodino’s impact on our efforts in 1998).
The result was that – by 2:1 – the American people thought Republicans
were fair in 1998.
Furthermore, because the Clinton impeachment was initiated by Independent
Counsel Ken Starr’s report that President Clinton had committed 11
potential offenses – including perjury (which is a felony) – the American
people concluded the impeachment was not primarily partisan. By 3:1 people
believed the 1998 effort was not an attempted coup.
By contrast, because Speaker Pelosi has allowed her left-wing to drive her
into an entirely partisan, secret, and one-sided witch hunt, there is an
overwhelming belief among Republicans and many independents that this effort
is a coup d’etat, which is a sore losers’ effort rather than an
impeachment based on the merits.
Just on Thursday Ron Faucheux reported on a Suffolk University/USA Today
poll (October 23-26) that asserted only 36 percent favored impeaching
President Trump.
Speaker Pelosi had seven months with total control of the investigative
machinery. During that time, her team should have produced adequate
information to convince the vast majority of Americans that impeachment was
necessary or they should have confronted their own failure and quietly
dropped the impeachment effort.
The Speaker Pelosi of March was strategically correct in her assessment that
impeachment is inherently a crisis of government since one branch is
seeking to overturn the votes of the American people.
Measured against her own standard, the vote on Halloween was a terrible
defeat which is likely to haunt the House Democrats through the 2020
election.
That vote will cost a lot of Democrats their seats next year. When combined
with the radicalism of the national Democratic candidates for president, and
the continued economic growth under President Trump’s policies, it is
likely that Thursday’s vote guaranteed this would be a one-term Democratic
majority, and we will be hearing from Speaker Kevin McCarthy in 2021.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 都是 opinion，感受，这些 要是能拿来 搞 弹劾，总统的次次被弹劾，
: 你看看 老牛 的 opinion ：我觉得 很有道理，都是 老配自己说的。。还有历史数据
: 对比！
: Newt Gingrich: Pelosi’s Halloween impeachment vote was an enormous
: strategic defeat – Let me explain，
: ############
: 意见1: 老配自己打脸，说要两党共识，搞了7个月，没说服一个 GOP，自己丢俩；连反
: trump GOP Senator Ben Sasse 都call it “a partisan clown show.” hype 好几天
: 的深喉 现在成了 liability ，自己都不好意思拿出来作证！
: She admitted seven months ago, in a March 6 interview with The Washington
| c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 8 意见的总结 就是 这句：
because Speaker Pelosi has allowed her left-wing to drive her into an
entirely partisan, secret, and one-sided witch hunt, there is an
overwhelming belief among Republicans and many independents that this effort
is a coup d’etat, which is a sore losers’ effort rather than an
impeachment based on the merits.
poll
majority
but
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 意见2: 对比 1998 老克那词弹劾，差别明显，那才叫 有 两党 共识 的！民众的 poll
: 也 对民主党不利！美国人民知道啥叫 公平/正义 程序。。
: The contrast with the last impeachment vote is striking. In 1998, 31
: Democrats voted with the Republicans to create a bipartisan 257-176 majority
: for moving forward with impeachment.
: By contrast not only did no Republicans vote for the Pelosi impeachment, but
: she also lost two Democrats despite enormous pressure within the caucus.
: The American people understand the difference between a fair and an unfair
: process. As Ron Faucheux reported in the October 32 Lunchtime Politics,
: there is an Economist/YouGov poll (October 27-29) which reported that 49
| G****1
发帖数: 8414 | 9 Trump： F you, Nancy!
Nacy on FNN: he raped me.
Anderson on FNN: he raped the speaker of the house violently.
Trump: F the liars on FNN.
Anderson and Don on FNN: he raped us violently, our anus( they share one) is
bleeding. | a****1
发帖数: 634 | 10 中国人总想着找台湾人麻烦，敲锣打鼓，到处开楼，吸引注意力。中国人是个肚里没货
只能靠开新楼吸引注意力的 attention whore。
I mean, seriously，中国人就不能讲点有营养、thought-provoking，值得我理睬的话
吗？这种哭嚎有什么意义？ | | | c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 11 点你一句，本版就你一个公开的 台湾人，所以“台湾人” 就是你，针对就是你个人，
但你并不代表 台湾人
但 有很多 中国人，你不要打击一片，要喷吗 就直接 喷我，提中国人 干嘛！
这就是为什么 大家 都拿你当 猴 耍着玩儿，不把你当回事儿，高兴就拿你 逗逗乐子
，因你口无遮拦，得罪一群人！
你要不改改，要不继续被大家 当个 ”玩物“！
【在 a****1 的大作中提到】
: 中国人总想着找台湾人麻烦，敲锣打鼓，到处开楼，吸引注意力。中国人是个肚里没货
: 只能靠开新楼吸引注意力的 attention whore。
: I mean, seriously，中国人就不能讲点有营养、thought-provoking，值得我理睬的话
: 吗？这种哭嚎有什么意义？
| t*****n
发帖数: 2578 | 12 电诈犯是福建偷渡农民，总是有意无意的装台湾人，其实是个屁的台湾人。他自己都不
敢承认，只敢暗示。
你们还非把他当台巴子。
自恨就是左逼基因。电诈犯羞于当福建农民，正符合左逼特征。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 点你一句，本版就你一个公开的 台湾人，所以“台湾人” 就是你，针对就是你个人，
: 但你并不代表 台湾人
: 但 有很多 中国人，你不要打击一片，要喷吗 就直接 喷我，提中国人 干嘛！
: 这就是为什么 大家 都拿你当 猴 耍着玩儿，不把你当回事儿，高兴就拿你 逗逗乐子
: ，因你口无遮拦，得罪一群人！
: 你要不改改，要不继续被大家 当个 ”玩物“！
| l***x
发帖数: 1761 | 13 那你还理睬
：中国人总想着找台湾人麻烦，敲锣打鼓，到处开楼，吸引注意力。中国人是个肚里没
货只能靠开新楼吸引注意力的 attention whore。
： | a****1
发帖数: 634 | 14 我只是借机用「中国人」三个字回敬他 :-) 他如果不是用台湾人称呼我，此楼根本无
须回应。:-)
（See？本来我也无须回应你，我也只是借你的机会让他知道，他是自己招来的。）
【在 l***x 的大作中提到】
: 那你还理睬
:
: ：中国人总想着找台湾人麻烦，敲锣打鼓，到处开楼，吸引注意力。中国人是个肚里没
: 货只能靠开新楼吸引注意力的 attention whore。
: ：
| a****1
发帖数: 634 | 15 你称呼我台湾人，我就称呼你中国人；你是什么意思，我就是什么意思。其他的就不必
多说了。
至于什么当猴耍、逗乐、玩物之类给自己壮胆的话语，就不必了。你一个连 Mueller
的名字，写了几百次没有写对一次的人，还是多花点时间在提升自己上，少浪费时间去
跟人斗。我偶尔会给你些为人处世的建议，就是想帮你提升一下自己。
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 点你一句，本版就你一个公开的 台湾人，所以“台湾人” 就是你，针对就是你个人，
: 但你并不代表 台湾人
: 但 有很多 中国人，你不要打击一片，要喷吗 就直接 喷我，提中国人 干嘛！
: 这就是为什么 大家 都拿你当 猴 耍着玩儿，不把你当回事儿，高兴就拿你 逗逗乐子
: ，因你口无遮拦，得罪一群人！
: 你要不改改，要不继续被大家 当个 ”玩物“！
| c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 16 选择 继续 得罪 一群 人， 当个 玩物，可以。。
我在告诉，我不是 唯一 “中国人”，
要不我叫 “台巴子”， 你的回应。。？
【在 a****1 的大作中提到】
: 你称呼我台湾人，我就称呼你中国人；你是什么意思，我就是什么意思。其他的就不必
: 多说了。
: 至于什么当猴耍、逗乐、玩物之类给自己壮胆的话语，就不必了。你一个连 Mueller
: 的名字，写了几百次没有写对一次的人，还是多花点时间在提升自己上，少浪费时间去
: 跟人斗。我偶尔会给你些为人处世的建议，就是想帮你提升一下自己。
| c****n
发帖数: 1646 | 17 番薯大爷,还要google “富集”是啥意思不?
要好好学习哦。
【在 a****1 的大作中提到】
: 你称呼我台湾人，我就称呼你中国人；你是什么意思，我就是什么意思。其他的就不必
: 多说了。
: 至于什么当猴耍、逗乐、玩物之类给自己壮胆的话语，就不必了。你一个连 Mueller
: 的名字，写了几百次没有写对一次的人，还是多花点时间在提升自己上，少浪费时间去
: 跟人斗。我偶尔会给你些为人处世的建议，就是想帮你提升一下自己。
| a****1
发帖数: 634 | 18 你要称呼我台湾人，我就称呼你中国人；你是什么意思，我就是什么意思；你要是不喜
欢，你就先停止，其他的不用多说。
你要称呼我台巴子，which 已经很多人这么做，我不会称呼你中国猪、支那狗之类的。
你一个连 Mueller这个名字，写了几百次都没有写对过一次的人，还是多花点时间在提
升自己上，少花时间找我麻烦。
https://youtu.be/y3RIHnK0_NE
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 选择 继续 得罪 一群 人， 当个 玩物，可以。。
: 我在告诉，我不是 唯一 “中国人”，
: 要不我叫 “台巴子”， 你的回应。。？
| l***x
发帖数: 1761 | 19 嘴上说不回应，键盘很诚实
：我只是借机用「中国人」三个字回敬他 :-) 他如果不是用台湾人称呼我，此楼根本无
：须回应。:-) | t*****n
发帖数: 2578 | 20 还在跟假台湾人，福建偷渡农民纠缠？
跟智障纠缠降低自己档次啊 | c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 21 继续被当 玩物，没问题，只想好心劝你一句，
你应该知道你说的那两个称呼是上世纪半页对中国人的最大伤疤(包括相当一部分台湾
人)，你乐意继续，我不拦着，以后不要抱怨大家都 拿你当猴耍着玩。。
“台湾人”因你是本版唯一常住的自称台湾人，仅仅是个称呼，没有贬义，何况你俩ID
经常来回互换，
但你回骂 “中国人”，就不只我一个，
这样 我再好心, 救救你，也跟大家像玩物那样称呼你吧，剩的你越走越远，以后叫你
番薯，诈骗犯，反正你 的著名称呼不知一个，谁都知道你的大名，
中性称呼，你反映强烈，我看你很enjoy像玩物那样被称呼，番薯，诈骗犯！？
：你要称呼我台湾人，我就称呼你中国人；你是什么意思，我就是什么意思；你要是不
喜欢，你就先停止，其他的不用多说。
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