T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 1 Brix fauci要加强隔离，财长几个要放松搞经济，老头当然直觉是搞经济，问题是像意
大利一样百分之9死亡率搞个球经济？
Trump Weighs Easing Stay-at-Home Advice to Curb Economic Rout
President Donald Trump began talking privately late last week about
reopening the nation, despite the swiftly rising number of coronavirus cases
and against the advice of health professionals, because he’s worried about
the economic damage from an extended shutdown, according to people familiar
with his thinking.
The shortage of testing kits has made it difficult to assess the full spread
of the virus, but Trump and a contingent of his aides, including Treasury
Secretary Steven Mnuchin, want to ensure that the economic damage from a
nationwide “social distancing” campaign doesn’t outweigh the potential
toll from the virus itself, the people said.
“WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE
15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!”
Trump tweeted late Sunday.
The president started talking about how to get people back to work around
Thursday, two of the people said, only three days after he helped roll out a
15-day plan from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to stem the
rise of cases by encouraging most people to stay at home. That campaign
would end about March 31.
The discussions centered on what to do after the 15-day period ends, and how
to test and isolate everyone who’s sick so healthy people can return to
work. It’s likely the CDC guidelines would be relaxed rather than scrapped
altogether, one person said.
Birx, Fauci Advice
The government’s top health authorities have warned that in the absence of
any viable medical treatment, sustained and economically painful
restrictions on daily life are the only way to beat the virus. This group is
led by Deborah Birx, the State Department physician tapped to advise Vice
President Mike Pence on the government’s response to the outbreak, and
Anthony Fauci, the influential director of the National Institute of Allergy
and Infectious Diseases.
The advice of the medical professionals has so far formed the foundation of
the White House’s coronavirus strategy, frustrating some of Trump’s
economic and political advisers who think the president shouldn’t lean so
heavily on them, according to two people familiar with the matter.
But a close Trump ally in Congress, Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of
South Carolina, tweeted his support for the doctors on Monday.
The economy is reeling as cases rise and the death toll mounts. Federal
Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S.
unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter, along with a 50% drop
in gross domestic product. Morgan Stanley said Sunday it expects the U.S.
economy to plummet 30% in the second quarter.
There had been more than 35,000 cases of the disease in the U.S. by Monday
and more than 400 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.
‘Zero-Sum’ Framing
Social distancing didn’t begin with Trump’s guidelines and won’t
necessarily end if he lifts them, as governors and municipal leaders have
the power to issue “shelter in place” and other orders limiting daily life
in virus-ravaged parts of the country. And many companies have ordered
employees to work from home where possible, regardless of government
directives.
Several states are still moving to tighten restrictions, not loosen them.
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer said Monday she’s issuing a “Stay Home,
Stay Safe” executive order that will go into effect at midnight. And
Maryland Governor Larry Hogan is ordering the closure of all non-essential
businesses as of 5 p.m.
But the president has considerable power to influence Americans’ behavior
by the tone he sets at what has become daily, televised White House news
conferences.
“We’ll get a pretty good idea what we’re doing” at the end of his “15
Days to Slow the Spread” campaign on March 31, Trump said Sunday. “You
know there will be a point at which we say: ‘We’re back in business, let’
s go.”
Gregg Gonsalves, assistant professor of epidemiology of microbial diseases
at Yale School of Public Health, criticized what he called “zero-sum”
framing of the debate by people who advocate abandoning social distancing.
“Nobody wants economic devastation nor the loss of hundreds of thousands or
millions of lives in the United States. Both are terrible outcomes. We have
to stop this either-or thinking,” he said in an interview.
“Epidemiologists are aware of the tradeoffs because they are thinking about
them in their own lives,” he added. “But to do a knee-jerk response by
removing these measures is short-sighted, short-term term thinking that’s
going to get us into deeper trouble.”
‘Drop the Hammer’
Some of the debate over how rapidly Americans should return to work is
beginning to play out in public.
Fauci acknowledged that aggressive public health measures can cause too much
harm to the economy and “unintended consequences” in an interview with
Science magazine published Sunday.
“There is a discussion and a delicate balance about what’s the overall
impact of shutting everything down completely for an indefinite period of
time,” he said. “If you knock down the economy completely and disrupt
infrastructure, you may be causing health issues, unintended consequences,
for people who need to be able to get to places and can’t. You do the best
you can.”
Read more: Halt Movement to Fight Coronavirus? The Pros and Cons: QuickTake
Former Goldman Sachs Inc. Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein said in a
tweet Sunday night that “within a very few weeks” people at “lower risk
to the disease” should return to work.
“Is it time to start discussing the need for a date when the economy can
turn back on?” Trump’s former economic adviser, Gary Cohn, tweeted on
Sunday. “Businesses need clarity. Otherwise they will assume the worst and
make decisions to survive.”
But another former senior aide to Trump, Steve Bannon, said the president
should take even stronger measures to limit Americans’ social interactions
over the next two weeks in order to snuff out the virus -- or risk
irreversible economic damage.
“We’re going to have to take the pain up-front. We’re going to have to
shut it all down,” Bannon said on Fox News on Sunday. “Drop the hammer
today on the virus.”
Trump said Sunday he’d seen both comments. “They are not mutually
exclusive, they sort of inter-mesh,” he said of Cohn and Bannon. Bannon
wants “just a brutal shutdown, and then open up a little bit faster. So you
know, there’s that fine line.”
Late Sunday and into Monday morning Trump began retweeting supporters
expressing exasperation with social distancing efforts. |
h****s
发帖数: 16779 | 2 想干这又想干那，是啥也干不好的。
想尽快搞经济，就休克一下，全国必须完全shutdown 2周，关闭一切公共交通，商店，
娱乐场所，公路，高速公路任何人不允许出门（遛狗也不行），只有食品店和药店开着
。2周内发病的隔离，住院。2周过后就可以开放该干嘛干嘛了。
现在这样半封闭，没有3个月不解决问题。
cases
about
familiar
spread
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Brix fauci要加强隔离，财长几个要放松搞经济，老头当然直觉是搞经济，问题是像意
: 大利一样百分之9死亡率搞个球经济？
: Trump Weighs Easing Stay-at-Home Advice to Curb Economic Rout
: President Donald Trump began talking privately late last week about
: reopening the nation, despite the swiftly rising number of coronavirus cases
: and against the advice of health professionals, because he’s worried about
: the economic damage from an extended shutdown, according to people familiar
: with his thinking.
: The shortage of testing kits has made it difficult to assess the full spread
: of the virus, but Trump and a contingent of his aides, including Treasury
|
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 3 除非感染到他家，老头不可能同意，现在这样半封都嚷嚷要松绑。
: 想干这又想干那，是啥也干不好的。
: 想尽快搞经济，就休克一下，全国必须完全shutdown 2周，关闭一切公共交通，
商店，
: 娱乐场所，公路，高速公路任何人不允许出门（遛狗也不行），只有食品店和药
店开着
: 。2周内发病的隔离，住院。2周过后就可以开放该干嘛干嘛了。
: 现在这样半封闭，没有3个月不解决问题。
: cases
: about
: familiar
: spread
【在 h****s 的大作中提到】
: 想干这又想干那，是啥也干不好的。
: 想尽快搞经济，就休克一下，全国必须完全shutdown 2周，关闭一切公共交通，商店，
: 娱乐场所，公路，高速公路任何人不允许出门（遛狗也不行），只有食品店和药店开着
: 。2周内发病的隔离，住院。2周过后就可以开放该干嘛干嘛了。
: 现在这样半封闭，没有3个月不解决问题。
:
: cases
: about
: familiar
: spread
|
r****1
发帖数: 1 | 4 农村州和NYC差的可太远了
【在 h****s 的大作中提到】
: 想干这又想干那，是啥也干不好的。
: 想尽快搞经济，就休克一下，全国必须完全shutdown 2周，关闭一切公共交通，商店，
: 娱乐场所，公路，高速公路任何人不允许出门（遛狗也不行），只有食品店和药店开着
: 。2周内发病的隔离，住院。2周过后就可以开放该干嘛干嘛了。
: 现在这样半封闭，没有3个月不解决问题。
:
: cases
: about
: familiar
: spread
|
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 5 tx昨天刚拒绝shutdown，理由是感染不多， 根本不知道多少nyc人跑进去，马着跑舞着
跳过一星期就是大爆炸。
: 农村州和NYC差的可太远了
【在 r****1 的大作中提到】
: 农村州和NYC差的可太远了
|
r****1
发帖数: 1 | 6 so what
跟TX乡下生活的光大老百姓有一毛钱关系么
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: tx昨天刚拒绝shutdown，理由是感染不多， 根本不知道多少nyc人跑进去，马着跑舞着
: 跳过一星期就是大爆炸。
:
:
: 农村州和NYC差的可太远了
:
|
h***e
发帖数: 2823 | 7 能有争论就是好事。各种意见不管对错讲出来吵一吵。
至少不会定于一尊一言堂了。
一代老中移民已经觉得很进步了。不是吗？ |
L*****t
发帖数: 98 | 8 病毒不讲民主，讲科学
: 能有争论就是好事。各种意见不管对错讲出来吵一吵。
: 至少不会定于一尊一言堂了。
: 一代老中移民已经觉得很进步了。不是吗？
【在 h***e 的大作中提到】
: 能有争论就是好事。各种意见不管对错讲出来吵一吵。
: 至少不会定于一尊一言堂了。
: 一代老中移民已经觉得很进步了。不是吗？
|
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 9 争论可以，但最后老头一人拿主意，你觉得他会听传染病学方案还是自己最喜欢的方
案? 总统制就有这问题，4年内制衡很少，只是历史上没出过这么二的总统，没体会到
这个体制缺点。
: 能有争论就是好事。各种意见不管对错讲出来吵一吵。
: 至少不会定于一尊一言堂了。
: 一代老中移民已经觉得很进步了。不是吗？
【在 h***e 的大作中提到】
: 能有争论就是好事。各种意见不管对错讲出来吵一吵。
: 至少不会定于一尊一言堂了。
: 一代老中移民已经觉得很进步了。不是吗？
|
h***e
发帖数: 2823 | 10 缺点就缺点吧。
这个体制存在几百年了，这个体制把美国弄成世界第一。
老中移民过来，不喜欢这个体制，那就再移回去呗。
何苦走哪儿骂哪儿？看哪儿都不顺眼？
: 争论可以，但最后老头一人拿主意，你觉得他会听传染病学学方案还是自己最喜
欢的方
: 案? 总统制就有这问题，4年内制衡很少，只是历史上没出过这么二的总统，没
体会到
: 这个体制缺点。
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: 争论可以，但最后老头一人拿主意，你觉得他会听传染病学方案还是自己最喜欢的方
: 案? 总统制就有这问题，4年内制衡很少，只是历史上没出过这么二的总统，没体会到
: 这个体制缺点。
:
:
: 能有争论就是好事。各种意见不管对错讲出来吵一吵。
:
: 至少不会定于一尊一言堂了。
:
: 一代老中移民已经觉得很进步了。不是吗？
:
|
|
|
i******0
发帖数: 609 | 11 那还要总统干嘛，砖家治国好了。
：争论可以，但最后老头一人拿主意，你觉得他会听传染病学学方案还是自己最喜欢的
方案? 总统制就有这问题，4年内制衡很少，只是历史上没出过这么二的总统，没体会到
：这个体制缺点。 |
j****l
发帖数: 3356 | 12 体制缺点？当年可是吹嘘体制优势，甚至选条狗当总统都无所谓的
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: 争论可以，但最后老头一人拿主意，你觉得他会听传染病学方案还是自己最喜欢的方
: 案? 总统制就有这问题，4年内制衡很少，只是历史上没出过这么二的总统，没体会到
: 这个体制缺点。
:
:
: 能有争论就是好事。各种意见不管对错讲出来吵一吵。
:
: 至少不会定于一尊一言堂了。
:
: 一代老中移民已经觉得很进步了。不是吗？
:
|
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 13 英国约翰逊一直也放开搞，结果被内阁逼着全国隔离三周。总统制确实选错总统容易失
控， 但以前总统都是政治体制上来的，幕僚金主党派和文官体制制衡很多。
: 体制缺点？当年可是吹嘘体制优势，甚至选条狗当总统都无所谓的
【在 j****l 的大作中提到】
: 体制缺点？当年可是吹嘘体制优势，甚至选条狗当总统都无所谓的
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 14 其实差得可能只是十天。
【在 r****1 的大作中提到】
: 农村州和NYC差的可太远了
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 15 again，可能只是差了10天。
【在 r****1 的大作中提到】
: so what
: 跟TX乡下生活的光大老百姓有一毛钱关系么
|
j****l
发帖数: 3356 | 16 就是说，以前根本不是体制优势，是潜规则优势，结果这次潜规则没成功，体制裸奔就
不行了
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: 英国约翰逊一直也放开搞，结果被内阁逼着全国隔离三周。总统制确实选错总统容易失
: 控， 但以前总统都是政治体制上来的，幕僚金主党派和文官体制制衡很多。
:
:
: 体制缺点？当年可是吹嘘体制优势，甚至选条狗当总统都无所谓的
:
|
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 17 你嘴巴好大，美国“世界第一”居然是靠总统制实现得。
【在 h***e 的大作中提到】
: 缺点就缺点吧。
: 这个体制存在几百年了，这个体制把美国弄成世界第一。
: 老中移民过来，不喜欢这个体制，那就再移回去呗。
: 何苦走哪儿骂哪儿？看哪儿都不顺眼？
:
:
: 争论可以，但最后老头一人拿主意，你觉得他会听传染病学学方案还是自己最喜
: 欢的方
:
: 案? 总统制就有这问题，4年内制衡很少，只是历史上没出过这么二的总统，没
: 体会到
:
: 这个体制缺点。
|
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 18 确实，以前wasp统治阶层把国家管的不错。冷战后各方面都烂了，现在上来个造反派，
很多方向正确，但拒绝抗疫要害死全国，没人能管。
: 就是说，以前根本不是体制优势，是潜规则优势，结果这次潜规则没成功，体制
裸奔就
: 不行了
【在 j****l 的大作中提到】
: 就是说，以前根本不是体制优势，是潜规则优势，结果这次潜规则没成功，体制裸奔就
: 不行了
|
i******0
发帖数: 609 | 19 那靠的啥呢? 人民代表大会制?
：你嘴巴好大，美国“世界第一”居然是靠总统制实现得。
： |
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 20 内阁制容易制衡，但如果选不出多数党政府天天倒阁扯皮。
: 那靠的啥呢? 人民代表大会制?
: ：你嘴巴好大，美国“世界第一”居然是靠总统制实现得。
: ：
【在 i******0 的大作中提到】
: 那靠的啥呢? 人民代表大会制?
:
: ：你嘴巴好大，美国“世界第一”居然是靠总统制实现得。
: ：
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