j******9
发帖数: 73 | 1 细节见下文。
基本说，打针者的血液已经污染，无法产生需要的成分，这种血液对患者是无用的，甚
至是有害的。
https://www.citizensjournal.us/red-cross-issues-warning-to-stop-blood-plasma
-donations-from-vaccinated-people/ |
T**********1
发帖数: 2406 | 2 Sounds like prelude to ADE.
plasma
【在 j******9 的大作中提到】
: 细节见下文。
: 基本说，打针者的血液已经污染，无法产生需要的成分，这种血液对患者是无用的，甚
: 至是有害的。
: https://www.citizensjournal.us/red-cross-issues-warning-to-stop-blood-plasma
: -donations-from-vaccinated-people/
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j******9
发帖数: 73 | 3 A comment from a reader...
PROOF FROM WAYBACK MACHINE
The WayBack Machine at archive.org contains a snapshot from June 12, 2021 of
the official Red Cross manual entitled,
“COVID-19 Vaccine Blood Donation
Guide for Donors”
https://web.archive.org/web/20210612044557/https://www.redcrossblood.org/
content/dam/redcrossblood/docs/covid19_newdonor_vaccine_guide.pdf
Here is what the manual says:
“If you receive any type of COVID-19 vaccine, you are not eligible to
donate convalescent plasma with the Red Cross.
However, you may be eligible to donate other blood products with the Red
Cross including whole blood and platelets if
you meet other donation eligibility criteria.
The Red Cross acknowledges that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration did
update its guidance regarding
convalescent plasma donor eligibility related to those who receive a COVID-
19 vaccine. We are evaluating the feasibility
and timeline to implement this complex update, alongside the evolving
hospital needs for COVID-19 patients. Please
know, the Red Cross is committed to building a readily available inventory
of convalescent plasma to ensure patients
battling COVID-19 have all treatment options available to them.”
THREE IMPORTANT POINTS:
1. It clearly states that the vaccinated are not “eligible to donate
convalescent plasma with the Red Cross…”
2. It mentions a complex update by the FDA, referring to the latest FDA
Guidance allowing the vaccinated to donate plasma if they had Covid within
the six months BEFORE getting the vaccine. But the Red Cross has now stopped
accepting all convalescent plasma, which makes NO SENSE in light of point
three below.
3. It concludes: “Please know, the Red Cross is committed to building a
readily available inventory of convalescent plasma to ensure patients
battling COVID-19 have all treatment options available to them.”
So, as of June 12, 2021 (and probably after, but that’s the last Way back
snapshot as of today), the Red Cross did not have a readily available
inventory of convalescent plasma.
But at some point between June 12, 2021 and today, the Red Cross CHANGED the
manual to read:
“The FDA allows people who have received a COVID-19 vaccine to donate
dedicated COVID-19 convalescent plasma within six months of their infection
of the virus, based on data that antibodies from natural infection can
decline after six months however, the Red Cross has discontinued our
convalescent plasma collection program.”
https://www.redcrossblood.org/content/dam/redcrossblood/docs/covid19_
newdonor_vaccine_guide.pdf
TWO POINTS:
1. I find it hard to believe that the Red Cross would just abandon the
convalescent plasma program now. How do they know how much plasma the world
will need going forward. Are they saying the pandemic is waning?
It seems that the more likely reason they abandoned the convalescent plasma
program is that they didn’t think it feasible to implement the complexity
of mixing into the inventory, the safe and effective plasma of the
unvaccinated, with the plasma of those vaccinated who met the stringent FDA
guidelines requiring that the vaccinated plasma must only come from those
who had Covid within six months PRIOR TO getting the vaccine, as demanded by
the FDA guidelines stated here:
https://www.fda.gov/media/136798/download
Faced with a choice of continuing to bar the vaccinated from donating
convalescent plasma, and trying to implement the complex FDA requirements,
they chose to abandon the program, so that now they can muddy the water and
contribute to the scam that everyone should be vaccinated. It’s OBVIOUS
that the policy of the Red Cross in preventing the vaccinated from donating
was EXPOSING the truth about corruption of vaccinated plasma.
2. Note that the Red Cross manual also fails to mention that the FDA
requires, for convalescent plasma donations from the vaccinated, that they
have been diagnosed with Covid BEFORE getting the vaccine. This is the
CRUCIAL POINT that everyone needs to share with their people:
ONCE YOU HAVE BEEN VACCINATED, you are FORBIDDEN by the FDA from donating
convalescent plasma if you didn’t get Covid before being vaccinated. And if
you get Covid after being vaccinated then recover, your plasma will NOT
contain the antibodies necessary to heal other patients sick with Covid.
This means that ALL VACCINATED PEOPLE cannot produce the necessary
antibodies some time after the vaccine, and those who had Covid before the
vaccine will also not be able to produce new nucleocapsid antibodies after
receiving the vaccine.
This is why it is now imperative that there be alot of unvaccinated people
in the world. If everyone gets vaccinated, then nobody will be able to
achieve natural immunity and we will be reliant forever on the vaccine.
: Sounds like prelude to ADE.
: plasma
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Sounds like prelude to ADE.
:
: plasma
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j******9
发帖数: 73 | 4 红十字会可能知道些什么。不接受这些打针的人的献血，是很严重的决定。
更微妙的是，FDA实际上是赞成这种做法的。 FDA说的是，如果打过针，那么，只有你
在打针前六个月得过新馆，你才可以被接受献血。
其潜台词，就是你打针后得新冠，你得血液是无法产生自然抗体的。
就是说，一旦打针，将终身依赖打针产生免疫抗体。自身免疫系统已经无法产生自然抗
体。
: Sounds like prelude to ADE.
: plasma
【在 T**********1 的大作中提到】
: Sounds like prelude to ADE.
:
: plasma
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I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 5 看不下去了
https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/news/2021/answers-to-
common-questions-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-blood-platelet-plasma-donation-
eligibility.html
Q: I’ve heard claims that the Red Cross refuses to accept convalescent
plasma from individuals who have received a COVID-19 vaccine because it
wipes out the antibodies. Is this true?
A: There are claims circulating that incorrectly state that the Red Cross
will not accept convalescent plasma donations from those who have received
the COVID-19 vaccine because “the vaccine wipes out those antibodies making
the convalescent plasma ineffective in treating other COVID-19 patients.”
This is not accurate.
Due to the decline in hospital demand and because the Red Cross and our
industry partners have been able to build a sufficient supply of
convalescent plasma to meet the foreseeable needs of COVID-19 patients the
Red Cross stopped collecting convalescent plasma completely on June 14. |
j******9
发帖数: 73 | 6 红十字六月有两个 政策导引。 前一个已经删除。上面评论里面给出的是 archive 的
一个快照。PDF 原文。仔细阅读。
这个政策导引里，没有废除这个血清项目，只是要求 不要打针者的献血。不打针者的
献血，仍然继续。这个快照，是六月12日。
到六月十四日，新的政策导引出台，整个血清项目废除。中间发生什么，其动机如何，
目的如何，在中国受过高等教育的，不要说你猜不到。
: 看不下去了
: https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/news/2021/answers-to-
: common-questions-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-blood-platelet-plasma-
donation-
: eligibility.html
: Q: I’ve heard claims that the Red Cross refuses to accept
convalescent
: plasma from individuals who have received a COVID-19 vaccine because
it
: wipes out the antibodies. Is this true?
: A: There are claims circulating that incorrectly state that the Red
Cross
: will not accept convalescent plasma donations from those who have
received
: the COVID-19 vaccine because “the vaccine wipes out those antibodies
making
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: 看不下去了
: https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/news/2021/answers-to-
: common-questions-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-blood-platelet-plasma-donation-
: eligibility.html
: Q: I’ve heard claims that the Red Cross refuses to accept convalescent
: plasma from individuals who have received a COVID-19 vaccine because it
: wipes out the antibodies. Is this true?
: A: There are claims circulating that incorrectly state that the Red Cross
: will not accept convalescent plasma donations from those who have received
: the COVID-19 vaccine because “the vaccine wipes out those antibodies making
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j******9
发帖数: 73 | 7 然后，仔细阅读你的问答。
A: There are claims circulating that incorrectly state that the Red Cross
will not accept convalescent plasma donations from those who have received
the COVID-19 vaccine because “the vaccine wipes out those antibodies
making
the convalescent plasma ineffective in treating other COVID-19 patients.&
rdquo;
This is not accurate.
确实，红十字的政策导引，在六月十二日快照留存的那个，并没有提供任何解释或理由
，为什么不接受 打针者 的 献血。 这就是它们的诡诈之处，把问题提歪，自己树个靶
子，自己反驳得理直气壮，搅混水，欺骗没有时间仔细阅读分析的大众。
但是，它不接受 打针者 的献血， 这是在它 12日 的政策导引里的，在这个导引里，
并没有废除这个献血项目。未打针者的献血，仍然继续。这个关键事实，被他搅在混水
里了。
14日，它新的导引出台，废止整个献血项目。
后面的 打针者血液有问题 的解释，当然不是它的解释。而是网络群众抽丝拨茧，逻
辑分析，得到的结论。
: 红十字六月有两个 政策导引。 前一个已经删除。上面评论里面给出的是
archive 的
: 一个快照。PDF 原文。仔细阅读。
: 这个政策导引里，没有废除这个血清项目，只是要求 不要打针者的献血
。不打
针者的
: 献血，仍然继续。这个快照，是六月12日。
: 到六月十四日，新的政策导引出台，整个血清项目废除。中间发生什么，
其动机
如何，
: 目的如何，在中国受过高等教育的，不要说你猜不到。
: donation-
: convalescent
: it
: Cross
【在 j******9 的大作中提到】
: 红十字六月有两个 政策导引。 前一个已经删除。上面评论里面给出的是 archive 的
: 一个快照。PDF 原文。仔细阅读。
: 这个政策导引里，没有废除这个血清项目，只是要求 不要打针者的献血。不打针者的
: 献血，仍然继续。这个快照，是六月12日。
: 到六月十四日，新的政策导引出台，整个血清项目废除。中间发生什么，其动机如何，
: 目的如何，在中国受过高等教育的，不要说你猜不到。
:
:
: 看不下去了
:
: https://www.redcross.org/about-us/news-and-events/news/2021/answers-to-
:
: common-questions-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-blood-platelet-plasma-
|
j******9
发帖数: 73 | 8 红十字 自己会那么解释吗？
当然不会。
它解释说，因为已经没有需求， 所以废止这个血清项目。这是解释它14日的 政策导引
， 而完全不能解释 12日的导引。
而我们说的是 12日 它的政策导引，它删除了的，但是被网络留了快照的， 里面是 只
要求 拒绝打针者献血，而完全没有废除整个献血项目的意思。
它匆匆忙忙 在14日才出台新政策导引，废除整个献血项目。
: 然后，仔细阅读你的问答。
: A: There are claims circulating that incorrectly state that the
Red
Cross
: will not accept convalescent plasma donations from those who
have
received
: the COVID-19 vaccine because “the vaccine wipes out those
antibodies
: making
: the convalescent plasma ineffective in treating other COVID-19
patients.
【在 j******9 的大作中提到】
: 然后，仔细阅读你的问答。
: A: There are claims circulating that incorrectly state that the Red Cross
: will not accept convalescent plasma donations from those who have received
: the COVID-19 vaccine because “the vaccine wipes out those antibodies
: making
: the convalescent plasma ineffective in treating other COVID-19 patients.&
: rdquo;
: This is not accurate.
: 确实，红十字的政策导引，在六月十二日快照留存的那个，并没有提供任何解释或理由
: ，为什么不接受 打针者 的 献血。 这就是它们的诡诈之处，把问题提歪，自己树个靶
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j******9
发帖数: 73 | 9 打个字太费劲，不过啰嗦这么多，希望说清楚了。
: 红十字 自己会那么解释吗？
: 当然不会。
: 它解释说，因为已经没有需求， 所以废止这个血清项目。这是解释它14日的 政
策导引
: ， 而完全不能解释 12日的导引。
: 而我们说的是 12日 它的政策导引，它删除了的，但是被网络留了快照的， 里
面是 只
: 要求 拒绝打针者献血，而完全没有废除整个献血项目的意思。
: 它匆匆忙忙 在14日才出台新政策导引，废除整个献血项目。
:
【在 j******9 的大作中提到】
: 红十字 自己会那么解释吗？
: 当然不会。
: 它解释说，因为已经没有需求， 所以废止这个血清项目。这是解释它14日的 政策导引
: ， 而完全不能解释 12日的导引。
: 而我们说的是 12日 它的政策导引，它删除了的，但是被网络留了快照的， 里面是 只
: 要求 拒绝打针者献血，而完全没有废除整个献血项目的意思。
: 它匆匆忙忙 在14日才出台新政策导引，废除整个献血项目。
:
:
: 然后，仔细阅读你的问答。
:
: A: There are claims circulating that incorrectly state that the
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