h***k 发帖数: 2262 | 1 Group play schedule:
Two groups:
A1 A2 A3 A4 A5
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5
Court1 Court2 Court3
A1A2 B3B5 A3A4
B1B4 A1A5 B2B5
A2A3 B2B3 A4A5
B1B3 B4B5 ----
A2A4 B2B4 A3A5
B1B5 A1A4 A2A5
B3B4 B1B2 A1A3
Top 3 teams from each group enter playoff
C1 C2 C3
D1 D2 D3
Playoff schedule:
* AB->C1 means C1 is the winner of the match between A and B; the loser is
C2
Court1 Court2 Court3
C2D3->E1 C3-D2->F1 A5th vs. B5th (9th place)
C1F1->G1 |
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h***k 发帖数: 2262 | 4 两支原来报名A组的队伍各为小组的种子队,另外去年B组冠亚军分在不同的组。其余六
支队抽签。
【在 w***z 的大作中提到】 : 怎么个抽签法
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t****t 发帖数: 530 | 5 Could we consider this proposal -- sorry I am in travel so I could not type
more in details but I think it is doable.
Same for group play, all matches are 2-sets 21 pts per set. But for play off:
A1 -- B1 5 sets-match for level A champ. 5th set is 15 pts, others are 21
pts.
A2 -- B5 --|
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B3 -- A4 --| |
|---- Level B champ. 3 sets. 3rd set is 15pts.
B2 -- A5 --| |
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A3 -- B4 --|
I calculated the time and we should be able to
【在 h***k 的大作中提到】 : 两支原来报名A组的队伍各为小组的种子队,另外去年B组冠亚军分在不同的组。其余六 : 支队抽签。
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w********0 发帖数: 1211 | 6 我倒是觉得hoyok发的赛程更合理一些。
你建议的赛程由于B组有4场1/4决赛,而场地只有三个,这样淘汰赛总共要4小时。这样
小组赛只能40分钟一场。但那样太紧了,我以往的感觉是,小组赛两局21分,加上热身
,暂停,换边的时间,45分钟有时候都不够。
目前的赛程淘汰赛3小时,时间刚好。开始架网算15分钟,7轮小组赛每轮45分钟到2:30
结束,随后算成绩加上小组赛可能拖延的时间,淘汰赛算2:45开始,3个小时加上15分
钟的余地,差不多。老美办比赛可能能紧凑些,老中的性格实在是不可能的。
另外从比赛场次和对手情况看,目前的赛程A组多一场比赛,并且B组强队多了和A
组交手的机会。你建议的A组虽说是一场5局3胜,但如果3:0的话差不多也是现在的一场
,而且1/4决赛中A2-B5,B2-A5实力估计会比较悬殊,没有太多必要,还不如把时间留给A4-B4争第7,A5-B5争第9这样实力差不多的比赛有意义一些。
type
off:
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】 : Could we consider this proposal -- sorry I am in travel so I could not type : more in details but I think it is doable. : Same for group play, all matches are 2-sets 21 pts per set. But for play off: : A1 -- B1 5 sets-match for level A champ. 5th set is 15 pts, others are 21 : pts. : A2 -- B5 --| : |-----| : B3 -- A4 --| | : |---- Level B champ. 3 sets. 3rd set is 15pts. : B2 -- A5 --| |
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r******n 发帖数: 4522 | 7 已经说了合并不分A,B level了。这种打法如果有两个超强队其它队的确差距明显的话
还不错。而这次恐怕强队不止两个吧。
type
off:
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】 : Could we consider this proposal -- sorry I am in travel so I could not type : more in details but I think it is doable. : Same for group play, all matches are 2-sets 21 pts per set. But for play off: : A1 -- B1 5 sets-match for level A champ. 5th set is 15 pts, others are 21 : pts. : A2 -- B5 --| : |-----| : B3 -- A4 --| | : |---- Level B champ. 3 sets. 3rd set is 15pts. : B2 -- A5 --| |
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t****t 发帖数: 530 | 8 I do not know how strong level A teams are, but I guess they are confidently
strong because they registered as level A.
and level B teams are not confident they can compete quite as much with
level A teams so they registered as level B.
I understand level B teams now think they get chances to play "real" matches
against level A teams. But what about from level A teams' perspectives -- I
do not know what are in their mind, but do level B players really like
playing many games with level C teams(i
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】 : 已经说了合并不分A,B level了。这种打法如果有两个超强队其它队的确差距明显的话 : 还不错。而这次恐怕强队不止两个吧。 : : type : off:
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w********0 发帖数: 1211 | 9 其实关键还是在于这次报名A组和B组的水平差别究竟有多大。如果不大,还是hoyok公
布的赛程好,如果真的不是一个档次的,那最好征求A组球队的意见,看他们愿意多打
一场和B组的比赛,还是愿意相互之间的比赛多打一些时间。
纯技术性地讨论一下你提出的赛程的可行性 --
你提出的赛程,从时间上看,40分钟的小组赛肯定太紧了。45分钟的话,实在要排,还
是能排得出的,关键还是怎样利用小组赛有一轮有一个场地的空闲。前六轮三个场地用
满,第七轮两个场地分别进行A级别的球队同同组B级别的某支非种子队的比赛,这样由
于实力差距,可以几乎肯定2:0,也就是说六轮小组赛结束时,小组排名其实已经排出
来了。这样空出来的那个场地刚好提前进行一场1/4决赛。理论上说,提前进行哪一场1
/4,有两到三个选择(因为8队中有两队此时还在最后一轮小组赛),应该选择小组名
次最确定的队提前进行1/4,以防止那两个队在最后一轮爆冷导致赛程错误,不过爆冷
可能真的不大。
由于这场提前进行掉的1/4,后面1/4,半决赛,决赛就只要三轮了,时间是够的。甚至
都可以5-8名安慰赛的半决赛和决赛。毕竟,时间就像xxxxxx,挤一挤总是
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】 : I do not know how strong level A teams are, but I guess they are confidently : strong because they registered as level A. : and level B teams are not confident they can compete quite as much with : level A teams so they registered as level B. : I understand level B teams now think they get chances to play "real" matches : against level A teams. But what about from level A teams' perspectives -- I : do not know what are in their mind, but do level B players really like : playing many games with level C teams(i
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h***k 发帖数: 2262 | 10 比赛之前还真不知道A,B组水平差别有多大。不过既然是业余比赛,应该不会太夸张。
08年费城比赛的时候也是一个Group,Fusion和Penn United都在,虽然两队都不败,但
有些场地也胜得很不轻松。如果去年的上海人队报名参赛,当然另当别论。估计报B组
的队伍也不想和他们交手。
waiting140提的建议很不错,但是这次比赛的组织者人手不足,几个志愿帮忙的自己也
要打比赛,估计很难保证实现。只能先按照目前的计划比赛,如果时间充裕的话,最后
的冠亚军来个5局3胜也有可能。
场1
【在 w********0 的大作中提到】 : 其实关键还是在于这次报名A组和B组的水平差别究竟有多大。如果不大,还是hoyok公 : 布的赛程好,如果真的不是一个档次的,那最好征求A组球队的意见,看他们愿意多打 : 一场和B组的比赛,还是愿意相互之间的比赛多打一些时间。 : 纯技术性地讨论一下你提出的赛程的可行性 -- : 你提出的赛程,从时间上看,40分钟的小组赛肯定太紧了。45分钟的话,实在要排,还 : 是能排得出的,关键还是怎样利用小组赛有一轮有一个场地的空闲。前六轮三个场地用 : 满,第七轮两个场地分别进行A级别的球队同同组B级别的某支非种子队的比赛,这样由 : 于实力差距,可以几乎肯定2:0,也就是说六轮小组赛结束时,小组排名其实已经排出 : 来了。这样空出来的那个场地刚好提前进行一场1/4决赛。理论上说,提前进行哪一场1 : /4,有两到三个选择(因为8队中有两队此时还在最后一轮小组赛),应该选择小组名
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r******n 发帖数: 4522 | 11 Penn United以前还是B组打得多吧. Fusion没了老江不知道会怎样。其它队很难说,MD Pittsburgh 这些都挺强的不至于没资格跟A组队交手。现在报名队越来越少,没两把刷子的也不会跑那么大老远参赛。唯一可能会让别的队boring的也就是那个coed了。看报名的confidence太不靠谱,今年Boston的比赛也是AB合并,结果报A组的某队连小组都没出线,报B组的某队反而拿了亚军。咱们把Penn United跟Fusion算小组种子也不光是因为人家报了A组,而是“多年征战”的结果,人家都有credit的。我要是拉个菜鸟队报A组恐怕没人会搭理。 |
z**********8 发帖数: 2049 | 12 如果大家觉得co-ed队 boring,可以让他们跟我们一组啊。。。
听说某队,招募了好几个老外啊。。。现在到底是啥规则啊?几个老外啊? |
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w***z 发帖数: 1158 | 14 规则好象不限制老外人数吧, 不过俺不认为会有6个老外同时在场上的情况。呵呵。 |
r******n 发帖数: 4522 | 15 俺们也是,而且100% “Originally from China mainland", 连ABC, ABA还有港台、东
南亚几分之几华裔的都不带的,呵呵。
【在 w***z 的大作中提到】 : 俺们今年是全华班。呵呵。
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w***z 发帖数: 1158 | 16 俺们有台胞和侨瓢。
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】 : 俺们也是,而且100% “Originally from China mainland", 连ABC, ABA还有港台、东 : 南亚几分之几华裔的都不带的,呵呵。
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t****t 发帖数: 530 | 17 We once mistakenly registered to an A level like tournament and were beaten
so badly.
I think with the level A team and level B' last year champ/runner-up as 1st
and 2nd seeding in each group, the 1st place in each group deserve playing
leval A final, and that is why we do need group play and level A team cannot
ignore playing with B teams.
Now if the drawing is unblanced somehow, it could really screw up some B
teams. For example, the group with co-ed, the 4th place will have 2 real B
level mat
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】 : Penn United以前还是B组打得多吧. Fusion没了老江不知道会怎样。其它队很难说,MD Pittsburgh 这些都挺强的不至于没资格跟A组队交手。现在报名队越来越少,没两把刷子的也不会跑那么大老远参赛。唯一可能会让别的队boring的也就是那个coed了。看报名的confidence太不靠谱,今年Boston的比赛也是AB合并,结果报A组的某队连小组都没出线,报B组的某队反而拿了亚军。咱们把Penn United跟Fusion算小组种子也不光是因为人家报了A组,而是“多年征战”的结果,人家都有credit的。我要是拉个菜鸟队报A组恐怕没人会搭理。
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r******n 发帖数: 4522 | 18 "I just want to fully leverage the courts and let every team have a good
time. I think this is more important than who is first and who is second.
With this principle I believe more and more Chinese teams can join ACVB, not
just a few strong teams."
很欣赏这段,道出了问题所在。关键是一,大部分人很看重比赛成绩(包括我自己,呵
呵),二,没有绝对的制度性的或者至少大家的共识来判定level, 中间灰色区域很大
。这两条是跟老美tournament最大的区别。
这里MIT的比赛从03年开始,头几年我们都报A组,那时候大体有个好二传,三四个以上
攻手的都报A,但B组队伍非常多,很多beginner teams. 后来有一年(这里又要点名批
评Patpat, 反正他走了,呵呵),Patpat率领他的BU队轻取冠军,成鲜明对比的是有个
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w********0 发帖数: 1211 | 19 "The match between this team with the other 4th place? I am not
even sure if they want to play the game."
这的确是个问题,某些队或某些人一旦被淘汰了,原先安排好的安慰赛就不想打了。这
种做法其实很不好,业余比赛名次远不如参与重要,能有机会多打比赛还是应该认真打
好的,你弃权了等于剥夺了对手打比赛的权利。
beaten
1st
cannot
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】 : We once mistakenly registered to an A level like tournament and were beaten : so badly. : I think with the level A team and level B' last year champ/runner-up as 1st : and 2nd seeding in each group, the 1st place in each group deserve playing : leval A final, and that is why we do need group play and level A team cannot : ignore playing with B teams. : Now if the drawing is unblanced somehow, it could really screw up some B : teams. For example, the group with co-ed, the 4th place will have 2 real B : level mat
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t****t 发帖数: 530 | 20 Do not blame. Playing with a chance to win is more fun than just playing. If
a team got screwed by the group drawing and slide to 4th place, since we
all assume most B teams are pretty strong, the altitue will not be the same.
OK, even if all B teams play seriously, my example shows you just got 6
21pts sets and maybe 1 15 pts set of games that belong to your level. And
you drove a long way....for this?
Let the matches be more fun for every team and the courts be fully used for
every team, not j
【在 w********0 的大作中提到】 : "The match between this team with the other 4th place? I am not : even sure if they want to play the game." : 这的确是个问题,某些队或某些人一旦被淘汰了,原先安排好的安慰赛就不想打了。这 : 种做法其实很不好,业余比赛名次远不如参与重要,能有机会多打比赛还是应该认真打 : 好的,你弃权了等于剥夺了对手打比赛的权利。 : : beaten : 1st : cannot
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w********0 发帖数: 1211 | 21 你说的道理当然都对,问题是要真按你说的弄个1/4决赛,前面我也算过了,时间场地
的安排对组织者的难度太大了。前面hoyok也提到了人手不够,只能按简单宽裕的赛程
来排。
If
same.
for
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】 : Do not blame. Playing with a chance to win is more fun than just playing. If : a team got screwed by the group drawing and slide to 4th place, since we : all assume most B teams are pretty strong, the altitue will not be the same. : OK, even if all B teams play seriously, my example shows you just got 6 : 21pts sets and maybe 1 15 pts set of games that belong to your level. And : you drove a long way....for this? : Let the matches be more fun for every team and the courts be fully used for : every team, not j
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z**********8 发帖数: 2049 | 22 老美的比赛,有一个评定的方法,防止水平过高的家伙,混入不合适的level比赛。我
觉得以后的acvb可以尝试。。。尤其在level B的比赛中。对于老外的限制,就是为了
防止 这个情况的发生,影响其他队伍参赛的积极性。。。这个市毋庸讳言的。
ACVB 的比赛,尤其是level B的比赛,就是一个鼓励大家参与的比赛,原则是扩大影响
,吸引越来越多的排球爱好者,踊跃报名。。。组织者应该想尽办法,鼓励大家参赛,
老美的类似比赛,还有一种方法,值得推荐,个人报名,寻找队伍,或者队伍寻找某一
个位置的球员。。
如果要想acvb常办下去,应该有一个更好的组织办法,由一个相对稳定的承办人员队伍
,然后不断改进,正规化。。。我觉得,如果今后的acvb的比赛,如果能在boston, nj
, philly, 和DC 轮流,是可以吸引很多华人主体参赛的。
我个人倒是很有兴趣,以后能参加组织承办的队伍。 |
t****t 发帖数: 530 | 23 A challenge does not mean you cannot make it, right? I based my assumption
on 40mins group play and you based on 45 mins. If the organizers can get
cooperatons from every team captain. I believe it is doable.
Anyway...not my call, I said all I want to say, and I believe that is indeed
difficult for organizers but might be more fun for every team.
【在 w********0 的大作中提到】 : 你说的道理当然都对,问题是要真按你说的弄个1/4决赛,前面我也算过了,时间场地 : 的安排对组织者的难度太大了。前面hoyok也提到了人手不够,只能按简单宽裕的赛程 : 来排。 : : If : same. : for
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z**********8 发帖数: 2049 | 24 情况有变啊! 现在9个队了! 可不可以考虑"单循环" ! |
t****t 发帖数: 530 | 25 Just a "maybe" for now.
【在 z**********8 的大作中提到】 : 情况有变啊! 现在9个队了! 可不可以考虑"单循环" !
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z**********8 发帖数: 2049 | 26 就是说,还有希望是吗? 太好了!!!缺人手,我们可以支援!!!
【在 t****t 的大作中提到】 : Just a "maybe" for now.
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t****t 发帖数: 530 | 27 多谢雪中送炭了,刚才我们又找了几个,希望可以来
这次好多主力有事来不了,新加的从来没有在一起打过,
连脸熟都谈不上,就当陪大家读书了
多谢楼上的和组织者大力支持,希望赛场上见
【在 z**********8 的大作中提到】 : 就是说,还有希望是吗? 太好了!!!缺人手,我们可以支援!!!
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z**********8 发帖数: 2049 | 29 Teams:
1. NJ Fusion
2. Pittsburgh
3. RU Varmonger
4. Fight to Win
5. University of Michigan
6. Boston
7. DC United – The patch
8. University of Michigan
9. NJ - Xu
Courts are in the order: 1, 2, 3.
round 1:
2 – 9 (1)
3 – 8 (5)
4 – 7 (6)
round 2:
5 – 6 (3)
1 – 9 (4)
2 – 7 (8)
round 3:
3 – 6 (2)
4 – 5 (7)
1 – 8 (9)
round 4:
7 – 9 (1)
2 – 5 (6)
4 – 3 (8)
round 5:
7 – 1 (2)
6 – 8 (3)
9 – 5 (4)
round 6:
2 – 3 (4)
1 – 6 (7)
9 – 5 (8)
round 7:
8 – 4 (2)
3 – 9 (6)
5 – 1 (7)
round 8:
6 – 4 (1)
3 – 7 (5) |
z**********8 发帖数: 2049 | 30 我记得,7,9,或者11个球队打单循环,都有固定的一个安排的。个队 只要对号入座
,就可以了。。,这样可以示公允,避免不必要的纠纷。网上哪位大拿,能不能提供一
下这方面的咨询。。 |