C**T
发帖数: 5379 | 1 引用自百度百科：
国际数学奥林匹克(International Mathematical Olympiad，简称IMO)是世界上规模和
影响最大的中学生数学学科竞赛活动。由罗马尼亚罗曼(Roman)教授发起。
因为我奥数国获得金牌数实在数不胜数，已经木有人愿意去统计了。不过有这么个数据
足以证明我奥数国在IMO的地位：
Five nations have achieved an all-members-gold IMO with a full team:
China, 11 times: in 1992, 1993, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009,
2010, and 2011;
Russia, 2 times: in 2002 and 2008;
United States, 2 times: in 1994 and 2011;
South Korea, 1 time: in 2012;
Bulgaria, 1 time: in 2003.[33]
不得不说，我奥数国的数学确实比美国人强多了。
我曾经天真的以为，这么多IMO金牌，我奥数国必然是年年包揽菲尔兹奖吧，美国人这
种九九乘法都搞不明白的也就配给咱擦鞋。后来一查，我傻眼了，美国共有13人获得过
菲尔兹奖，奥数国呢，大鸭蛋一个。这，这肿么回事呢？我知道了，一定是美帝打压中
国的杰出数学家们。 | a****a
发帖数: 5374 | | B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 3 The U.S. is famous for its financial cliffs and budget deficits although it
has
the most winners in Nobel Ecomomics category! | C**T
发帖数: 5379 | 4 No idea what you try to argue. You must be the winner of the International
Debate Olympiad :)
has
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: The U.S. is famous for its financial cliffs and budget deficits although it
: has
: the most winners in Nobel Ecomomics category!
| C**T
发帖数: 5379 | 5 这种话老杨也说过，说中国学物理的比国外的强多了。不过丘成桐不是体制内的，人比
较实在，在我们学校演讲时说过，中国所谓基础数学教育比美国强只是一块遮羞布而已
。LD的一个同学也不是体制内的，1998年IMO金牌得主，后来去了哈佛数学系，期间经
常抱怨自己数学太差。
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: http://zqb.cyol.com/html/2011-11/04/nw.D110000zgqnb_20111104_1-
| B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 6 What I was trying to say is that your assumption in your post was wrong.
There is no causal connection between the two numbers you mentioned.
【在 C**T 的大作中提到】
: No idea what you try to argue. You must be the winner of the International
: Debate Olympiad :)
:
: has
| C**T
发帖数: 5379 | 7 我不同意你的逻辑。经济学诺贝尔奖获得者的多少和美国经济如何才真的是没关系，因
为他们并不是直接的decision maker，他们对policy的影响有限，而且搞科研嘛大家都
知道，专注深度而非广度，国家的宏观经济并不是光靠科研可以搞好的。但是IMO就是
数学竞赛，能拿奖的必然是天赋异禀的少数数学天才，这和获得菲尔兹奖的数学家是一
条路的，都是在数学上造诣超过常人的。当然，你可以说咱奥数国的培养模式有问题，
参加IMO就是为了拿奖而不是培养数学方面的创造性和科研水平，那么谢谢，这就是我
的观点所在。
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: What I was trying to say is that your assumption in your post was wrong.
: There is no causal connection between the two numbers you mentioned.
| B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 8 Correct myself.
I should have said that the number of winners in a competition of a subject
has no bearing on the performance of that nation in the same subject.
For example, China has never won a Nobel Prize in economy. Yet no one will
deny that the economy in China has performed extremely well during the last
three decades.
As to math, the two numbers you listed only reflect the performance of two
different competitions. Neither is an indicator of the nation's overall
performance in math.
Further, one should consider the motivation behind the so-called winners in
any competition. What's their goal? If you go down that route, it is
reasonable to claim that most Chinese young winners had no intention to
become a master of the math subject in the first place. They only used it
as a springboard to a better career. The U.S. winners, on the other hand,
probably are satisfied with their career and are happy to move along further
on their academic goals. If the above assumptions were right and if China
got stronger everyday, it would produce winner in whatever competition in
Science from kindergarten to paradise.
Last but not the least, on the theoretically point, an overwhelming number
of Nobel winners should have trinkled down some positive effects on a nation
's overall performance in the same subject. Otherwise, that Nobel prize is
a JOKE since it solved NOTHING!
Therefore, I would refrain myself from jumpting to conclusions too quickly
without knowing the scope for my evidence and the scope for my conclusion. | G*******9
发帖数: 4371 | 9 Lmao!
【在 C**T 的大作中提到】
: No idea what you try to argue. You must be the winner of the International
: Debate Olympiad :)
:
: has
| s*****r
发帖数: 1426 | 10 数学竞赛和获得数学国际大奖本来就没什么联系，一个竞赛一个研究本来就是相互矛盾的
不信LZ可以去查查20年前美国拿竞赛奖的小孩以后有没有拿菲耳兹奖
或者查查拿菲耳兹奖的人以前有没有拿数学奥赛奖
【在 C**T 的大作中提到】
: 引用自百度百科：
: 国际数学奥林匹克(International Mathematical Olympiad，简称IMO)是世界上规模和
: 影响最大的中学生数学学科竞赛活动。由罗马尼亚罗曼(Roman)教授发起。
: 因为我奥数国获得金牌数实在数不胜数，已经木有人愿意去统计了。不过有这么个数据
: 足以证明我奥数国在IMO的地位：
: Five nations have achieved an all-members-gold IMO with a full team:
: China, 11 times: in 1992, 1993, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009,
: 2010, and 2011;
: Russia, 2 times: in 2002 and 2008;
: United States, 2 times: in 1994 and 2011;
| C**T
发帖数: 5379 | 11 Several students, such as Teodor von Burg, Lisa Sauermann and Christian
Reiher, have performed exceptionally well on the IMO, scoring multiple gold
medals. Others, such as Grigory Margulis, Jean-Christophe Yoccoz, Laurent
Lafforgue, Stanislav Smirnov, Terence Tao and Grigori Perelman, have gone on
to become notable mathematicians. Several former participants have won
awards such as the Fields medal.
Five nations have achieved an all-members-gold IMO with a full team:
China, 11 times: in 1992, 1993, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009,
2010, and 2011.
盾的
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 数学竞赛和获得数学国际大奖本来就没什么联系，一个竞赛一个研究本来就是相互矛盾的
: 不信LZ可以去查查20年前美国拿竞赛奖的小孩以后有没有拿菲耳兹奖
: 或者查查拿菲耳兹奖的人以前有没有拿数学奥赛奖
| s*****r
发帖数: 1426 | 12 有道理
gold
on
【在 C**T 的大作中提到】
: Several students, such as Teodor von Burg, Lisa Sauermann and Christian
: Reiher, have performed exceptionally well on the IMO, scoring multiple gold
: medals. Others, such as Grigory Margulis, Jean-Christophe Yoccoz, Laurent
: Lafforgue, Stanislav Smirnov, Terence Tao and Grigori Perelman, have gone on
: to become notable mathematicians. Several former participants have won
: awards such as the Fields medal.
: Five nations have achieved an all-members-gold IMO with a full team:
: China, 11 times: in 1992, 1993, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2009,
: 2010, and 2011.
:
| B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 13 I thought it is against the Olympic Spirits to allow one student won
multiple medals. After winning one medal, the student should have refrained
from attending the same competition, thereby allowing other fellow students
to give a shot.
Shame on them! | c*h
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