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l**n 发帖数: 7272 | 3 我其实没有follow。只是最后这两天看了看。
你有没有follow?
My feeling is that it is a phenomenal case. However, it is not clear
whether it will be a landmark case for this country.
【在 G*******9 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 以前没有看,你看完了给大家总结一下?好久没有看你的大作了,呵呵。。。
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G*******9 发帖数: 4371 | 4 我没有Follow。
就是网上简单看了一些新闻。
觉得很搞笑的一件事情。有很多地方不可思议。
比如说Obama跳出来发表意见。这算不算干扰司法独立?
比如说媒体对于被击毙的人的污点的故意忽略或者故意用小时候的照片美化,非常不客
观。
如果这个会造成重大影响的话,或许其中一个是会让西语裔和非洲裔对立起来?这对于
民主党是坏事,因为这两个族裔是他们的票仓。
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我其实没有follow。只是最后这两天看了看。 : 你有没有follow? : My feeling is that it is a phenomenal case. However, it is not clear : whether it will be a landmark case for this country.
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l**n 发帖数: 7272 | 5 Not guilty.
Let us wait and see what will happen.
【在 G*******9 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我没有Follow。 : 就是网上简单看了一些新闻。 : 觉得很搞笑的一件事情。有很多地方不可思议。 : 比如说Obama跳出来发表意见。这算不算干扰司法独立? : 比如说媒体对于被击毙的人的污点的故意忽略或者故意用小时候的照片美化,非常不客 : 观。 : 如果这个会造成重大影响的话,或许其中一个是会让西语裔和非洲裔对立起来?这对于 : 民主党是坏事,因为这两个族裔是他们的票仓。
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B******1 发帖数: 9094 | 6 This case might not become landmark case unless it ends up in the Supreme
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n*****r 发帖数: 1087 | 7 媒体其实也挺可恶的,过多得散播很大程度上等于散播仇恨,媒体最喜欢天下不太平了
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l**n 发帖数: 7272 | 8 If the supreme court decides not to review a case, a lower court decision
can become landmark.
For this case, it seems that it has been very hard for the prosecutor/
plaintiff side to get enough evidence in order to proof that GM is guilty.
Will they pursue the path to the supreme court? Very hard to tell at this
moment.
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : This case might not become landmark case unless it ends up in the Supreme : Court.
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l**n 发帖数: 7272 | 9 媒体是有归属的。它们背后的力量才是罪魁祸首。
【在 n*****r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 媒体其实也挺可恶的,过多得散播很大程度上等于散播仇恨,媒体最喜欢天下不太平了 : 。
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n*****r 发帖数: 1087 | 10 bring too much attention, 弄不好很容易闹事。
老美的媒体是很不公的,同样是命案,我个人觉得之前的Danny Chen的性质更恶劣,也
没怎么被关注。对比一下,中国人相对来讲,真得很冷漠,也没啥人关注,BBS上说风
凉话的也不少;老黑的民间种族歧视又太高,把案件放大了,弄得举国上下大家都知道
了。
Obama作为“一国之君”,连个民间事情都“插手”表态,无形也把事情弄大了,这也不
是第一次了,以前刚当总统那会儿,对boston警察和哈佛黑人之事也插手,还说那警察
stupid之类的。
Obama的命真是好,得到的太多了,占用了名校资源,没啥才华没啥能力,居然都能当
上世界上最强大国家的总统,要是他的事迹能让Africa american做个表率让africa
american上进点,缓和点africa american民间种族情绪,这美国总统之位也没白当。
在boston那事上,一国之君都要插手偏心表态,太没气度了。
反观费城市长的一段讲话,Obama和他比起来,实在太差劲了。
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 媒体是有归属的。它们背后的力量才是罪魁祸首。
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G*******9 发帖数: 4371 | 11 非常同意。明显感觉为了选票,奥巴马这两次都非常努力地公开讨好票仓,完全不顾操
守。
不过这次他这样做可能会自讨苦吃,让更多人看清他的真面目吧。
他还得到了一个诺贝尔奖,不是因为他已经做了什么,而是因为他“可以做什么”,这
也是诺贝尔的Joke体现。
【在 n*****r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : bring too much attention, 弄不好很容易闹事。 : 老美的媒体是很不公的,同样是命案,我个人觉得之前的Danny Chen的性质更恶劣,也 : 没怎么被关注。对比一下,中国人相对来讲,真得很冷漠,也没啥人关注,BBS上说风 : 凉话的也不少;老黑的民间种族歧视又太高,把案件放大了,弄得举国上下大家都知道 : 了。 : Obama作为“一国之君”,连个民间事情都“插手”表态,无形也把事情弄大了,这也不 : 是第一次了,以前刚当总统那会儿,对boston警察和哈佛黑人之事也插手,还说那警察 : stupid之类的。 : Obama的命真是好,得到的太多了,占用了名校资源,没啥才华没啥能力,居然都能当 : 上世界上最强大国家的总统,要是他的事迹能让Africa american做个表率让africa
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G*******9 发帖数: 4371 | 12 肯定会有影响了,不一定是司法方面的影响,可能会有社会心理/政治生态方面的影响。
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Not guilty. : Let us wait and see what will happen.
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G*******9 发帖数: 4371 | 13 我认为很可能对美国政治走向有重要意义,不一定是司法方面的影响,更可能会有社会
心理/政治生态方面的影响。
媒体的大量炒作让这个得到很多的关注,很多人心理上开始站队了,这对今后就有潜在
的大影响。比如说,是不是完全按照族裔站队?比如说,重新评估一下媒体的中立性以
及和司法方面的互动?比如说,看看总统,党派的本色体现,重新评估他们?比如说,
西语裔和非洲裔群体可能发现他们的利益立场和对这个国家的远景期望很不一样?
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : This case might not become landmark case unless it ends up in the Supreme : Court.
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B******1 发帖数: 9094 | 14 Since the evidence is weak, there is nothing wrong with the application of
the law. Therefore, there is no ground for appeal.
An appeal is to correct wrongs done in the application of laws during the
trial, not to add more convincing or more favorable evidence.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : If the supreme court decides not to review a case, a lower court decision : can become landmark. : For this case, it seems that it has been very hard for the prosecutor/ : plaintiff side to get enough evidence in order to proof that GM is guilty. : Will they pursue the path to the supreme court? Very hard to tell at this : moment.
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l**n 发帖数: 7272 | 15 beida xiong, this is exactly what I mean.
The plaintiff lost the case due to lack of evidence instead of any
procedural/technical mistake. If so, it is very hard for them to appeal.
Well, if there is any new evidence, things will be different. However, a
question is whether they should start from lower court again
Disclaimer: I am not expert. :-)
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Since the evidence is weak, there is nothing wrong with the application of : the law. Therefore, there is no ground for appeal. : An appeal is to correct wrongs done in the application of laws during the : trial, not to add more convincing or more favorable evidence. : :
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B******1 发帖数: 9094 | 16 No one can fix or add evidence after the trial ends unless they have some
special law to permit such a new pleading. That is why the examination stage
of the trial is crucial, and the charges or claims filed are the key to
lead the investigation/examination.
The prosecution failed on both fronts.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : beida xiong, this is exactly what I mean. : The plaintiff lost the case due to lack of evidence instead of any : procedural/technical mistake. If so, it is very hard for them to appeal. : Well, if there is any new evidence, things will be different. However, a : question is whether they should start from lower court again : Disclaimer: I am not expert. :-)
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l**n 发帖数: 7272 | 17 Thought someone could request to "reopen" a case. Possibly, it depends on
local/state laws.
The prosecution team blew a big bubble at the beginning. However, they
failed in delivering anything meaningful. It indeed surprised me how this
could happen.
stage
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : No one can fix or add evidence after the trial ends unless they have some : special law to permit such a new pleading. That is why the examination stage : of the trial is crucial, and the charges or claims filed are the key to : lead the investigation/examination. : The prosecution failed on both fronts.
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