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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Wed Nov 9 11:46:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
学自行车和修道有关系吗？ 我看有， 如果是少于等于两个轮子的。。：）
会骑自行车的人都知道， 想学会自行车， 最难的就是一开始那一下， 一个脚在下面
， 一个脚蹬脚踏，从静止进入运动的状态，一旦进入运动， 一开始不是向左到， 就
是想右到。
为什么呢？ 因为一开始我们多少都不太相信除了向左， 向右， 还有不到的情况。 尽
管看到过别人骑自行车，那也只是相信，但是轮到自己，就是自信的问题了。 因为总
是担心向一边倒， 所以不是留意左边， 就是留意右边，越害怕倒， 还就倒的越快。
就这样， 一遍遍的摔到，一遍遍品尝失败， 也慢慢地培养着自信。。毕竟还是相信能
够做到。。
还是开始那一下， 紧张慌乱失败，紧张慌乱失败， 终于有一天，突然找到了感觉，
就是个感觉， 于是歪歪扭扭地上路了， 每一寸前进都透露着悬。。但是慌乱的心却悄
悄地走了， 换来的是更加的自信和快乐。。
还是那个人， 还是那个车， 原来总觉的停下会比较安全， 现在才发现那个感觉原来
在不停中。 不要任何的依靠， 也无须害怕它向那边到，没有两边， 也没有中间， 只
有谐调中不停的运动平衡。 可以上道了。。
再往后，越开越熟，曾经有一次，脑子里想着高等数学的算式， 从熙熙禳禳的大街上
一路走了几公里， 停下来后竟然不知道是什么骑过来的， 一路上的所有关于骑车的决
定似乎都被决定了， 朋友说， 你这是人车合一了， 车现在就是你的腿， 你所有关于
走， 停， 刹车， 前进，红灯，绿灯的决定都是因为合一而自然发生了。
于道合一，大概也是这样，你并不会刻意去做什么， 但是你每做的一件事， 不论大小
都是最合理的， 但是你却没有什么合理不合理的想法，因为本来就应该是这样的。 熟
能生巧， 定能生慧, 这是一种自由， 就像自行车， 汽车， 火车， 飞机， 飞船等能
给人类在具体的时间和空间上带来自由一样。 心灵上的自由要求我们于道合一。。
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stonebench (stonebench) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:38:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
比的不错，不过俺不知道“开”自行车是什么感觉：）
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:43:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
我靠，难道此版只有你们两个？那７０多在线的是神马？恐怖啊
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stonebench (stonebench) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:45:18 2011, 美东) 提到:
老大您不算一个？
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:46:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
本来是要写汽车的，because我觉的开汽车从某种角度来看和禅修是更接近的。。。。哈
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:47:05 2011, 美东) 提到:
咱是路过的，顺道打点酱油
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:48:45 2011, 美东) 提到:
不接近。难道交你开车的没教你先挂１档？你好可怜啊
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:50:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
开起来以后呢？
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:53:42 2011, 美东) 提到:
开起来已后怎么了？赛车也就时速３００，装个火箭直线跑平原也就时速１０００，没
法控制。跟修道那是风马牛啊
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:55:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
不管是赛车还是火箭， 你恐怕都没做过吧。：）
什么叫没法控制， 难道你是个马路杀手？
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:57:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
为什么要做过?
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stonebench (stonebench) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:57:38 2011, 美东) 提到:
老大酱油打得犀利啊：）
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 13:58:32 2011, 美东) 提到:
同喜同喜
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Wed Nov 9 14:21:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
那些都是我的神通变现， 你爱信不信。。。反正我是。。
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 14:34:43 2011, 美东) 提到:
老大你也太看不起术部了。话说钻风虽然够新，术部的好歹也是科班出身的。
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 14:57:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
In another way, subconscious can be trained by consciousness to some extent,
besides one' life experiences. When this conscious effort is built into
subconscious, there's no need to call upon consciousness any more.
One's life values and thought patterns are mostly in the realm of
subconscious. That's why I find The Work very effective. Through conscious
training of checking whether the thought is right or wrong, this habit
gradually becomes native and such inquiry instantly happens whenever a
thought arises.
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stonebench (stonebench) 于 (Wed Nov 9 15:24:02 2011, 美东) 提到:
Sort of the transition between declarative knowledge and procedural
knowledge.
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 15:38:22 2011, 美东) 提到:
这是不对的。用意尸去train潜意尸，做对了是小道，没做对是斜法
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 15:51:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
No, what you said was not right.
There is not right or wrong in training the subconscious, as the subconscious is receiving information every moment, like a yes machine and tape recorder. No matter you want to train it or not, it is receiving the information, through conscious.
Many conflicts in life are due to the discrepancy between the conscious and subconscious, and the subconscious is in charge of our lives more than the conscious, in terms of time and strength.
Given that, if you want the subconscious to agree more with your conscious, you should change its recording and let the conscious to be consistent with what you want from the subconscious, because only the conscious is what you can control directly.
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 15:56:32 2011, 美东) 提到:
说不对就是指你这第三段。这是你自己想的吧。没有传承不知其所以然就是越想越离谱。
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 15:58:07 2011, 美东) 提到:
Why don't say say what is right?
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Wed Nov 9 15:59:10 2011, 美东) 提到:
提示一下啊， 她是也没帮没派， 所以和你我都是一派的。。。：）
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:00:33 2011, 美东) 提到:
先给俩包子吧
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:00:42 2011, 美东) 提到:
Is casact an oldie here? Or like me, a newbie?
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:01:38 2011, 美东) 提到:
老大你当然是自学的，早看出来了。安慰一下
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:01:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
Hey, you know, people learn from lessons. :-)
Why do you have so few baozi being a BZ? If without the 3 baozi from Yisu,
you had only 1!
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:03:58 2011, 美东) 提到:
我是尽义务来了（就是攒点功德），顺道打酱油的（听说有免费茅台？）
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:04:14 2011, 美东) 提到:
Except saying that others are wrong to swindle some baozi, I don't see
whether you have learned from anywhere at all. :-)
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:04:33 2011, 美东) 提到:
Not sure about before, but today is the first time we met each other...:)
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:05:05 2011, 美东) 提到:
That's what I am thinking.
He is the BZ of SciFi board.
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:05:23 2011, 美东) 提到:
版大只给了俩。你诬陷版大给了我仨，快快陪我一个
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:06:09 2011, 美东) 提到:
Oh, so you had 2 baozi rather than 1 baozi before. You owe me one!
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:06:38 2011, 美东) 提到:
喂喂，我听着哪
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:07:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
That's why we talk in the open. Swindling is not welcome here. Donation is
welcome! :-)
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:09:03 2011, 美东) 提到:
你说假洋文但复数不加s,罚你赔我俩包子
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:10:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
为什么要你看出来啊。那我多没面子啊
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:12:03 2011, 美东) 提到:
没关系。我胸怀广大，原谅你了
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:13:02 2011, 美东) 提到:
Ah, you don't know the word baozi enough ah.
baozi has the same form either being singular or plural.
You still haven't answered my question why you have so few baozi. Your BFs
are both very rich ah.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:14:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
:-) bye then. This post becomes a watering hole now. That's extra work for
Yisu JJ to clean.
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:16:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
我版副都是大美女。马甲数比你包子数还多，这点算啥。
已经回答你了，自己去找吧 :-)
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Wed Nov 9 16:18:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
这点就要clean? 我家版二可是年度歪楼王，小的正在努力学习中
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Nov 10 11:45:56 2011, 美东) 提到:
Can we really control our consciousness?
AND
'Many conflicts in the life are due to the discrepancy between conscious
and subconscious.' Why?
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Nov 10 11:50:52 2011, 美东) 提到:
"Can we really control our consciousness?"
Yes. That's what consciousness is defined. That's what our mind is doing.
"Many conflicts in the life are due to the discrepancy between conscious
and subconscious. Why?"
Take addictive behavior for example. One wants to quit but can't fight
against it, as if there are two parts in one person. Why? The conscious mind
wants to quit, but the subconscious wants that craving. One side often wins
out only temporarily, and the person may feel guilty or self-blame
afterwards. Until the subconscious is tuned to accept the positive message
to change, this fighting won't stop nor give the person peace.
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Thu Nov 10 13:17:17 2011, 美东) 提到:
正在学习啊， 那给你个练习， 把这个楼盖到２００层这个任务就交给你拉。。：）
反正已经歪成这样拉。。
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Nov 10 13:57:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Nov 10 14:26:25 2011, 美东) 提到:
Hi, Jean:
All that I said used the colloquial concepts as what we meant in our daily life dialogues.
The consciousness is what enables you to read, think, react and post on this board. What makes all the tasks possible? The mind and the body, and the subconscious that perhaps you don't realize much, but how you feel is greatly determined by your und
ng subconscious and your thought patterns on how to interpret the outside world.
"Why did you think that it is subconscious mind wants to quit? "
Is it a typo there? Do you mean the "conscious" mind that wants to quit?
In the example I gave, I mentioned addictive behavior. Now I can give you more concrete examples, such as nail-biting, smoking, or even those earlier days in romantic relationships that people constantly want to check out how others are doing, etc.
The conscious mind wants to quit nail-biting, smoking, and being less needy, but they may feel like they can't control themselves. This is not uncommon, and perhaps you have experienced something similar before, perhaps at different intensity.
Your life experiences can be the evidences you want to understand the interactions between the conscious and the subconscious.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:04:00 2011, 美东) 提到:
Hi, Jean:
All that I said used the colloquial concepts as what we meant in our daily
life dialogues.
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Okay, if the definitions of consciousness and subconsciousness are the
colloquial concepts, I can firstly
accept your definitions but only in our conversation. Because in academics,
there are no quite clear and agreed definitions of them, especially
subconsciousness.
The consciousness is what enables you to read, think, react and post on this
board. What makes all the tasks possible? The mind and the body, and the
subconscious that perhaps you don't realize much, but how you feel is
greatly determined by your underlying subconscious and your thought patterns
on how to interpret the outside world.
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In the process of my thinking, reaction, and posting on the board, not only
consciousness but also subconsciousness is engaged.
And I think the "subconsciousness" in your explanation is somehow also
consciousness.
At least it is not the typical "subconsciousness" or "unconsciousness" in
Freud's opinion.
"Why did you think that it is subconscious mind wants to quit? "
Is it a typo there? Do you mean the "conscious" mind that wants to quit?
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Yep, sth was wrong there. What I meant was "why did you think it is
subconscious mind does not want to quit?" :-)
In the example I gave, I mentioned addictive behavior. Now I can give you
more concrete examples, such as nail-biting, smoking, or even those earlier
days in romantic relationships that people constantly want to check out how
others are doing, etc.
The conscious mind wants to quit nail-biting, smoking, and being less needy,
but they may feel like they can't control themselves. This is not uncommon,
and perhaps you have experienced something similar before, perhaps at
different intensity.
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Yep, I have a lot experiences quite similar as what you said, but I do not
think it is proper to use consciousness and subconsciousness to explain the
reasons of the discrepancy.
In my own experiences, the conflicts in my life mostly do not come from the
discrepancy between consciousness and subconsciousness. They come from
different consciousnesses, and how to choose between them is the problem, or
how to choose them in a better/right way is the problem.
Your life experiences can be the evidences you want to understand the
interactions between the conscious and the subconscious.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:16:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
Hi, Jean:
The subconscious I mentioned is the Freudian one, and it's also the
colloquial one. I meant to say there's perhaps no corresponding concept in
Buddhism, and I did not talk within a Buddhsim framework.
In addictions, the conscious decision is to quit, and then what makes one
not to quit? Take smoking for example, people often come up with excuses
such as smoking makes one less stressful, but those excuses are never
original, but what they heard and used as excuses. They started smoking
perhaps when they were young and they wanted to get into some friends'
circle to be cool, and it is their needs of security and approval that drove
them to smoke. Those needs are in their subconscious that they are not
aware of. Unless such fear or lack of security is treated at the
subconscious level, they may quit smoking, but start another addiction.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:25:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
Okay, practically how to treat such fear or lack of security at the
subconscious level?
:-)
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:32:36 2011, 美东) 提到:
看你很有劲儿嘛，加油加油。你这也是知见障。简单来说就是要求世界按你的想法运转
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:33:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
First, check the thoughts whether they are true, using Byron Katie's The
Work. As those thoughts are generated based on one's background and
experiences, that are stored in subconscious. Thoughts are the exposed part
into conscious.
Second, say affirmations while checking what's holding you back, and choose
your thoughts wisely.
Third, meditation, and even hypnosis.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:35:51 2011, 美东) 提到:
No, I can not see that.
It is really interesting to talk with TrueStory.
:-)
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wisdomlover (一片冰心在玉壶) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:35:51 2011, 美东) 提到:
The work is a book?
I want to check it out.
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casact (尝尝也) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:37:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
化功大法，暴殄天物，犹日弃千金于地而不知自用. 旁门左道，可笑可笑
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:42:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
I checked the work. To be frank the questions in "the work" are so boring to
me. haha
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:47:02 2011, 美东) 提到:
Yes, it is a very simple method. You can do it yourself.
http://thework.com/thework-4questions.php
Byron Katie has published many books based on her workshops (mainly the
transcripts of her doing The Work with the audiences), and if you can find
one, that'll be fun to read.
Here are also some videos that you can watch to see how it's done:
http://www.thework.com/watch.php
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:48:52 2011, 美东) 提到:
It's just four questions that one can choose to use. Boring to you? then you
don't need them. If you don't need them, you don't need to use them.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Nov 10 16:53:46 2011, 美东) 提到:
I think it is just because my way of thinking is not compatible with that
method, but it is quite fine for me.
And I want to say thanks to you for the information.
:p
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luobing (萝冰) 于 (Thu Nov 10 21:46:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
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stonebench (stonebench) 于 (Fri Nov 11 10:09:01 2011, 美东) 提到:
这位老兄的法是500年传统配方，纯自然酿造。门中有个规矩：传男不传女，卖油不卖
方。哈哈：）
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