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GetThere (无为) 于 (Wed Aug 15 15:32:07 2012, 美东) 提到:
耶稣是不反对奴隶制的。
佛教呢？
发信人: tmouse (猪头), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: Re: 我為什麼相信－讓我成為基督徒的「一句話」
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Aug 15 15:14:05 2012, 美东)
当时是奴隶制度，基督教导人要各尽其职。
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ylil (amn) 于 (Wed Aug 15 15:41:19 2012, 美东) 提到:
你别在这里断章取义跟人讲基督教了。人家本来说的是在圣经时代基督教不反对当时的
奴隶制，被你一复述完全变了意思。
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GetThere (无为) 于 (Wed Aug 15 15:44:59 2012, 美东) 提到:
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners
who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident
foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat
them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent
inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel,
your relatives, must never be treated this way.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free
in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was
single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go
free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave,
then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he
was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in
the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.
But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my
children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must
present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and
publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to
his master forever.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end
of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her,
he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her
to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if
the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer
treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he
himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food
or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of
these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the
slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave
survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his
own property.
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the
name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a
Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all
the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach
these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he
refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong
will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is
given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."
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GetThere (无为) 于 (Wed Aug 15 15:46:37 2012, 美东) 提到:
我什么时候说耶稣反对奴隶制了？
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AFlamingo (闲云野鹤) 于 (Wed Aug 15 18:17:00 2012, 美东) 提到:
讨论这种话题的意义何在？
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SeeU (See you) 于 (Wed Aug 15 18:33:14 2012, 美东) 提到:
DN 12
"Now suppose that a man is a slave, subject to others, not subject to
himself, unable to go where he likes. As time passes, he eventually is
released from that slavery, subject to himself, not subject to others, freed
, able to go where he likes. The thought would occur to him, 'Before, I was
a slave... Now I am released from that slavery, subject to myself, not
subject to others, freed, able to go where I like.' Because of that he would
experience joy & happiness.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.12.0.than.html
MN 93
"The Buddha prescribes purity for the four castes. Now who is capable of
disputing with him on this statement?"
......
"What do you think, Assalayana? Have you heard that in Yana & Kamboja and
other outlying countries there are only two castes ─ masters & slaves ─
and that having been a master one (can) become a slave, and that having been
a slave one (can) become a master?"
"Yes, Master Gotama..."
"So what strength is there, Assalayana, what assurance, when the brahmans
say:
'Brahmans are the superior caste; any other caste is inferior. Only brahmans
are the fair caste; any other caste is dark. Only brahmans are pure, not
non-brahmans. Only brahmans are the sons & offspring of Brahma: born of his
mouth, born of Brahma, created by Brahma, heirs of Brahma?'
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leonana (Nana) 于 (Wed Aug 15 19:00:53 2012, 美东) 提到:
你也觉得奴隶制是令人羞耻的么？ 那么你的神为何不下令取消奴隶制，反而详细的规
定了奴隶的价钱，买卖，使用方式呢？
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robbin (robbin) 于 (Wed Aug 15 21:04:59 2012, 美东) 提到:
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tseng (素食唐僧肉) 于 (Wed Aug 15 21:36:45 2012, 美东) 提到:
最搞的是圣经里面还有用几百个阳皮(男人割下来的包皮)去换奴隶段子.
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tseng (素食唐僧肉) 于 (Wed Aug 15 21:39:43 2012, 美东) 提到:
那你不断章取义的给大家讲讲圣经又是如何反对现在的奴隶制的嘛.
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GetThere (无为) 于 (Wed Aug 15 22:33:12 2012, 美东) 提到:
还有这事？
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cutegg (东郭皇叔T身) 于 (Wed Aug 15 22:48:10 2012, 美东) 提到:
好象是撒母耳记里面的, 用100个非利士人的阳皮换来个女奴当老婆的故事.
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tubie (程序猿) 于 (Thu Aug 16 16:15:43 2012, 美东) 提到:
大卫的聘礼，扫罗女儿算是公主了。
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Junes (穷死) 于 (Thu Aug 16 16:26:12 2012, 美东) 提到:
圣经里面说是换来的，没说是聘礼吧。公主变奴隶也
不是啥稀罕事，被用货物换来换去的人不
是奴隶是啥。
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Aug 16 16:36:07 2012, 美东) 提到:
man, it's not about slavery, it's about killing as an accomplishment.
http://springbible.fhl.net/Bible2/cgic201/read201.cgi?ver=hgb&n
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Junes (穷死) 于 (Thu Aug 16 16:52:14 2012, 美东) 提到:
靠又查了一下，有的版本说用100阳皮聘来的，
有的说用100阳皮换来的。有的又说是TMD的
200阳皮。
这圣灵究竟是XX啥意思嘛!
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Aug 16 17:41:53 2012, 美东) 提到:
haha, I guess that 200 might be a better number, as it showed that David
exceeded the King's expectations by 100%. |
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