ET
发帖数: 10701 | 1 http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?tp=&arnumber=20861&isnumber=826
Modeling modern bipolar technologies to insure design formanufacturability
Bouknight, J.L. Leibiger, S.M. Yakabu, K.S. Hingarh, H.K.
Nat. Semicond. Corp., Puyallup, WA;
This paper appears in: Custom Integrated Circuits Conference, 1988.,
Proceedings of the IEEE 1988
Publication Date: 16-19 May 1988
On page(s): 13.6/1-13.6/4
Meeting Date: 05/16/1988 - 05/19/1988
Location: Rochester, NY, USA
References Cited: 7 | e****e
发帖数: 1885 | 2 恩，搞定，怎么给你
另外1988年的DFM，呵呵，老爷爷级咯，你们现在做这个吗？
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?tp=&arnumber=20861&isnumber=826
: Modeling modern bipolar technologies to insure design formanufacturability
: Bouknight, J.L. Leibiger, S.M. Yakabu, K.S. Hingarh, H.K.
: Nat. Semicond. Corp., Puyallup, WA;
: This paper appears in: Custom Integrated Circuits Conference, 1988.,
: Proceedings of the IEEE 1988
: Publication Date: 16-19 May 1988
: On page(s): 13.6/1-13.6/4
: Meeting Date: 05/16/1988 - 05/19/1988
: Location: Rochester, NY, USA
| P***a
发帖数: 4213 | 3
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?tp=&arnumber=20861&isnumber=826
: Modeling modern bipolar technologies to insure design formanufacturability
: Bouknight, J.L. Leibiger, S.M. Yakabu, K.S. Hingarh, H.K.
: Nat. Semicond. Corp., Puyallup, WA;
: This paper appears in: Custom Integrated Circuits Conference, 1988.,
: Proceedings of the IEEE 1988
: Publication Date: 16-19 May 1988
: On page(s): 13.6/1-13.6/4
: Meeting Date: 05/16/1988 - 05/19/1988
: Location: Rochester, NY, USA
| e****e
发帖数: 1885 | 4 哦，这个附件怎么上传的？用web吗？
【在 P***a 的大作中提到】
| P***a
发帖数: 4213 | 5 是啊
【在 e****e 的大作中提到】
: 哦，这个附件怎么上传的？用web吗？
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 6 it's more helpful if you can find some new for me..
en, i am old enough to read an old paper like that..
【在 e****e 的大作中提到】
: 恩，搞定，怎么给你
: 另外1988年的DFM，呵呵，老爷爷级咯，你们现在做这个吗？
| e****e
发帖数: 1885 | 7 DFM有很多方面啦，范围很广的，OPC/RET, litho-friendly routing, CMP, Dummy
fill,
Process variation, Power Control, std lib design...
你要哪个方面的？
it's more helpful if you can find some new for me..
en, i am old enough to read an old paper like that..
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: it's more helpful if you can find some new for me..
: en, i am old enough to read an old paper like that..
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 8 circuit design..
【在 e****e 的大作中提到】
: DFM有很多方面啦，范围很广的，OPC/RET, litho-friendly routing, CMP, Dummy
: fill,
: Process variation, Power Control, std lib design...
: 你要哪个方面的？
:
: it's more helpful if you can find some new for me..
: en, i am old enough to read an old paper like that..
| e****e
发帖数: 1885 | 9 其实我刚刚列的都是circuit design, 毕竟dfm的d就是指的circuit design...
现在DFM仍然是主要在Physical Design这个层上做，与litho相关的东西最多，可能
实用性大一些，可以看一些近些年来SPIE的文章。
litho-friendly routing的可以找David Pan的
RADAR: RET-aware detailed routing using fast lithography simulations
来看一下。
circuit design..
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: circuit design..
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 10 dude, i guess we're not in the same page regarding this issue.
thanks, anyway.
【在 e****e 的大作中提到】
: 其实我刚刚列的都是circuit design, 毕竟dfm的d就是指的circuit design...
: 现在DFM仍然是主要在Physical Design这个层上做，与litho相关的东西最多，可能
: 实用性大一些，可以看一些近些年来SPIE的文章。
: litho-friendly routing的可以找David Pan的
: RADAR: RET-aware detailed routing using fast lithography simulations
: 来看一下。
:
: circuit design..
| | | ET
发帖数: 10701 | 11 Let me state what's in my mind.
I have not touched the DFM for a long time, I just talked my impression.
What You've listed, in my mind, are the M - Manufacturability. Do you think
any concept you named are really about circuit design?
From my shallow industry experience, analog design group works hard to make
the product real, full-functional, meets the customers requirements. After
order has been put, chips are made, they 'll start to consider the
manfufacturability. Companies want to reduce c
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: dude, i guess we're not in the same page regarding this issue.
: thanks, anyway.
| e****e
发帖数: 1885 | 12 Yes, that is right. The basic manufacturability should be considered by
process manager rather than circuit designer. That is the normal flow.
But the reason why people would like to introduce DFM is just because
there are some features that if the designers slightly consider, the process
difficulty will be much reduced. So now the designer's aim is
manufacturability as well as circuit performance.
Of course, YIELD means profit, which is the most significant thing that
design house would conside
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: Let me state what's in my mind.
: I have not touched the DFM for a long time, I just talked my impression.
: What You've listed, in my mind, are the M - Manufacturability. Do you think
: any concept you named are really about circuit design?
: From my shallow industry experience, analog design group works hard to make
: the product real, full-functional, meets the customers requirements. After
: order has been put, chips are made, they 'll start to consider the
: manfufacturability. Companies want to reduce c
| e****e
发帖数: 1885 | 13 By the way, will you attend DAC conference this year? If you do, we can
meet there:)
Let me state what's in my mind.
I have not touched the DFM for a long time, I just talked my impression.
What You've listed, in my mind, are the M - Manufacturability. Do you think
any concept you named are really about circuit design?
From my shallow industry experience, analog design group works hard to make
the product real, full-functional, meets the customers requirements. After
order has been put, chips a
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: Let me state what's in my mind.
: I have not touched the DFM for a long time, I just talked my impression.
: What You've listed, in my mind, are the M - Manufacturability. Do you think
: any concept you named are really about circuit design?
: From my shallow industry experience, analog design group works hard to make
: the product real, full-functional, meets the customers requirements. After
: order has been put, chips are made, they 'll start to consider the
: manfufacturability. Companies want to reduce c
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 14 dude, I guess we 're still not the same page. but thanks for sharing those
background info..
let's take this example. We are making a low-power rf transiceiver for
medical application. You are the CTO of the company, or the project leader
of transceiver.
What's your prorority?
You know it's a challenging project. that's something unqiue in the world.
I don't think you will care anything else but making it working.
This is the scenair for a lots of analog circuits companies. Before the
product
【在 e****e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, that is right. The basic manufacturability should be considered by
: process manager rather than circuit designer. That is the normal flow.
: But the reason why people would like to introduce DFM is just because
: there are some features that if the designers slightly consider, the process
: difficulty will be much reduced. So now the designer's aim is
: manufacturability as well as circuit performance.
: Of course, YIELD means profit, which is the most significant thing that
: design house would conside
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 15 no.. I even don't know when & where it is.
think
make
【在 e****e 的大作中提到】
: By the way, will you attend DAC conference this year? If you do, we can
: meet there:)
:
: Let me state what's in my mind.
: I have not touched the DFM for a long time, I just talked my impression.
: What You've listed, in my mind, are the M - Manufacturability. Do you think
: any concept you named are really about circuit design?
: From my shallow industry experience, analog design group works hard to make
: the product real, full-functional, meets the customers requirements. After
: order has been put, chips a
| e****e
发帖数: 1885 | 16 I think right now I know what you are concerned. Even we are talking
differently, but we are both correct.
To simply classify:
- Designer's work is to make their design work;
- DFM is to make the work better and more benefitial.
It is like a student to try to finish a coding project. The first thing
is that he tries to finish the code, correct the grammar, make it work.
For project to earn the score, that is enough. But if he wants to make
the project better and easier to use, or he is so capaca
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: dude, I guess we 're still not the same page. but thanks for sharing those
: background info..
: let's take this example. We are making a low-power rf transiceiver for
: medical application. You are the CTO of the company, or the project leader
: of transceiver.
: What's your prorority?
: You know it's a challenging project. that's something unqiue in the world.
: I don't think you will care anything else but making it working.
: This is the scenair for a lots of analog circuits companies. Before the
: product
| e****e
发帖数: 1885 | 17 it is in Anaheim, June 8-13
no.. I even don't know when & where it is.
think
make
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: no.. I even don't know when & where it is.
:
: think
: make
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 18 that's what i understand .
nowadays, the competition is just about who is the 1st.
back to my original question, i am thinking how to bring the DFM concept,
especially, models during
the circuit design process without too much resistance, also cost & yield
analysis in the process of
circuit design.
【在 e****e 的大作中提到】
: I think right now I know what you are concerned. Even we are talking
: differently, but we are both correct.
: To simply classify:
: - Designer's work is to make their design work;
: - DFM is to make the work better and more benefitial.
: It is like a student to try to finish a coding project. The first thing
: is that he tries to finish the code, correct the grammar, make it work.
: For project to earn the score, that is enough. But if he wants to make
: the project better and easier to use, or he is so capaca
|
|
