d****i
发帖数: 348 | 1 美国整个一RP换石油计划。什么傻逼战略啊。完全就是把小金逼上梁山么。
萨达姆配合联合国核查配合的多冤。
萨达姆：“我没有WMD。我真没WMD。”
美国：“你真没有？哎！你丫还真没有！那我就不怕了。来人啊，把丫往死里扁！”
小金现在一定很庆幸亏得下手早。现在我更加相信朝鲜的原子弹主要是为了抗击美国侵略，保卫金家王朝。说到底，朝鲜又没有运载工具炸美国本土，炸个军事基地有屁用啊？ |
n******t
发帖数: 4406 | 2 萨达姆落他自己人里面也是死。
伊国人想吃他肉的都不少，完全没必要把这事当成
美国人压迫伊拉克人的表现。
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老美不打小金又不是因为他有个蛋蛋，是因为没好处。
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: 美国整个一RP换石油计划。什么傻逼战略啊。完全就是把小金逼上梁山么。
: 萨达姆配合联合国核查配合的多冤。
: 萨达姆：“我没有WMD。我真没WMD。”
: 美国：“你真没有？哎！你丫还真没有！那我就不怕了。来人啊，把丫往死里扁！”
: 小金现在一定很庆幸亏得下手早。现在我更加相信朝鲜的原子弹主要是为了抗击美国侵略，保卫金家王朝。说到底，朝鲜又没有运载工具炸美国本土，炸个军事基地有屁用啊？
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wy
发帖数: 14511 | 3 不过这个判决的速度以美国标准而言确实太快了一点，
该不会和中期选举有关吧...
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 萨达姆落他自己人里面也是死。
: 伊国人想吃他肉的都不少，完全没必要把这事当成
: 美国人压迫伊拉克人的表现。
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: 老美不打小金又不是因为他有个蛋蛋，是因为没好处。
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 4 the question is not whether sadam deserves this.... but what msg
does this send to little kim?
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 萨达姆落他自己人里面也是死。
: 伊国人想吃他肉的都不少，完全没必要把这事当成
: 美国人压迫伊拉克人的表现。
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: 老美不打小金又不是因为他有个蛋蛋，是因为没好处。
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s**d
发帖数: 18498 | 5 萨达姆这种落到反对派手里，给咔嚓了是很正常的事啊。没有美国人，伊拉克现在这帮
头就不杀他了？还是说他干过的事情没有判死刑的理由？从96年小金就自己上梁山了，
跟萨达姆没多大关系。
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: 美国整个一RP换石油计划。什么傻逼战略啊。完全就是把小金逼上梁山么。
: 萨达姆配合联合国核查配合的多冤。
: 萨达姆：“我没有WMD。我真没WMD。”
: 美国：“你真没有？哎！你丫还真没有！那我就不怕了。来人啊，把丫往死里扁！”
: 小金现在一定很庆幸亏得下手早。现在我更加相信朝鲜的原子弹主要是为了抗击美国侵略，保卫金家王朝。说到底，朝鲜又没有运载工具炸美国本土，炸个军事基地有屁用啊？
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d****i
发帖数: 348 | 6 咱俩说的不是一回事。我说的是这件事等于喂小金吃秤砣。
老美打小金没好处？？那当初抗美援朝怎么回事？老金打过来，美国撤不就完了么。
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 萨达姆落他自己人里面也是死。
: 伊国人想吃他肉的都不少，完全没必要把这事当成
: 美国人压迫伊拉克人的表现。
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: 老美不打小金又不是因为他有个蛋蛋，是因为没好处。
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d****i
发帖数: 348 | 7 Snow说没关，你觉得有人信么？不过大部分老百姓不会分析得这么深入，还要考虑是不
是来骗他们选票的。。。
我觉得这个战略太短线了吧？有效期就三天啊。下个礼拜的事就爱咋地咋地了。觉得吧
，美国三权分立平衡得挺好的。但是长期战略短期战略完全没有平衡啊。参议院稍微长
期一点，保守一点，但是作用不是很大。看来不管是代议制还是直接民主，这个缺陷很
难回避。真正民主必然不能有终身大总统。有连任就得担心选举。有任期目光就得比较
短浅。除非想以大战略家的称号名垂史册，否则没有足够的动力让一个政治家考虑他退
休以后国家会变成什么样。
【在 wy 的大作中提到】
: 不过这个判决的速度以美国标准而言确实太快了一点，
: 该不会和中期选举有关吧...
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m******t
发帖数: 2416 | 8 I don't think the sentencing was timed. If Iraq is a big factor to any
paritcular voter, whether Saddam was sentenced or not, or whether the
sentence was life or death, wouldn't matter.
A lot of long-term initiatives are taken by the Congress, instead of the
executive branch, because there are significant incentives for members of
Congress to do so - that there isn't any cap on their terms in office, that
they get to rise through ranks the longer they stay in the office, and the
chance to put th
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: Snow说没关，你觉得有人信么？不过大部分老百姓不会分析得这么深入，还要考虑是不
: 是来骗他们选票的。。。
: 我觉得这个战略太短线了吧？有效期就三天啊。下个礼拜的事就爱咋地咋地了。觉得吧
: ，美国三权分立平衡得挺好的。但是长期战略短期战略完全没有平衡啊。参议院稍微长
: 期一点，保守一点，但是作用不是很大。看来不管是代议制还是直接民主，这个缺陷很
: 难回避。真正民主必然不能有终身大总统。有连任就得担心选举。有任期目光就得比较
: 短浅。除非想以大战略家的称号名垂史册，否则没有足够的动力让一个政治家考虑他退
: 休以后国家会变成什么样。
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d****i
发帖数: 348 | 9 是啊。这个好像很难做统计数据。不过给我感觉独裁的/终身制的也不比民主的/任期制
的战略上高明哈。总想着折衷一下，别老让民主政治家们为了选票干鼠目寸光的事情。
你觉得是什么原因让政治家关心自己退休后，甚至死后的国家走向呢？为了自己孩子？？
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: 萨达姆这种落到反对派手里，给咔嚓了是很正常的事啊。没有美国人，伊拉克现在这帮
: 头就不杀他了？还是说他干过的事情没有判死刑的理由？从96年小金就自己上梁山了，
: 跟萨达姆没多大关系。
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d****i
发帖数: 348 | 10 为嘛？毕竟是小国啊。地区内也被强权环绕，最好远近的大腿都抱一抱。现在不是麦卡
锡时代，意识形态没那么重要了。
卡扎菲扛了那么多年，现在不也还挺滋润的么。小金干吗招安了就一定得下台？
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: 萨达姆这种落到反对派手里，给咔嚓了是很正常的事啊。没有美国人，伊拉克现在这帮
: 头就不杀他了？还是说他干过的事情没有判死刑的理由？从96年小金就自己上梁山了，
: 跟萨达姆没多大关系。
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d****i
发帖数: 348 | 11
Can you elaborate on this? Why wouldn't it matter? It's a milestone, as
recognized by Bush and Rice. They cannot do anything to change the situation
in Iraq in the short term. They cannot do anything to improve the situation
before the mid-term election. I believe the sentence is almost all they can
do to send a signal to their voters.
So why wouldn't it matter?
【在 m******t 的大作中提到】
: I don't think the sentencing was timed. If Iraq is a big factor to any
: paritcular voter, whether Saddam was sentenced or not, or whether the
: sentence was life or death, wouldn't matter.
: A lot of long-term initiatives are taken by the Congress, instead of the
: executive branch, because there are significant incentives for members of
: Congress to do so - that there isn't any cap on their terms in office, that
: they get to rise through ranks the longer they stay in the office, and the
: chance to put th
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m******t
发帖数: 2416 | 12
？？
I don't see any concrete incentive for that, except for one's concern over
his own name in history books, which I guess isn't something we want to rely
on.
But then, don't forget that democracy isn't about producing the best result,
but rather not producing the worst.
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: 是啊。这个好像很难做统计数据。不过给我感觉独裁的/终身制的也不比民主的/任期制
: 的战略上高明哈。总想着折衷一下，别老让民主政治家们为了选票干鼠目寸光的事情。
: 你觉得是什么原因让政治家关心自己退休后，甚至死后的国家走向呢？为了自己孩子？？
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m******t
发帖数: 2416 | 13 Because, for a lot of American voters, at this point they care more about
the rising death toll of US marines than they do the fate of the guy who has
been practically written-off since CNN showed him getting busted in a rat
hole.
If Bush & Co. had some control over the timing, you would think they'd _not_
want to remind everybody of the "mission" reportedly "accompolished" yet
still ongoing and getting lots of Americans and Iraqis killed.
situation
situation
can
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
:
: Can you elaborate on this? Why wouldn't it matter? It's a milestone, as
: recognized by Bush and Rice. They cannot do anything to change the situation
: in Iraq in the short term. They cannot do anything to improve the situation
: before the mid-term election. I believe the sentence is almost all they can
: do to send a signal to their voters.
: So why wouldn't it matter?
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d****i
发帖数: 348 | 14 That's why I'm brainstorming to improve it in terms of better long-term
strategy.
And by the way how is it that democracy can avoid the worst result? I read
about this statement in several places. But the logic was never clear to me.
It is not garanteed that the voters have the knowledge or the power, or the
control to dodge the "worst case scenario".
rely
result,
【在 m******t 的大作中提到】
: Because, for a lot of American voters, at this point they care more about
: the rising death toll of US marines than they do the fate of the guy who has
: been practically written-off since CNN showed him getting busted in a rat
: hole.
: If Bush & Co. had some control over the timing, you would think they'd _not_
: want to remind everybody of the "mission" reportedly "accompolished" yet
: still ongoing and getting lots of Americans and Iraqis killed.
:
: situation
: situation
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m******t
发帖数: 2416 | 15 Yeah, I guess you have a point there, too. I guess what I'm trying to say is
_if_ it was timed, it sure wouldn't work out all to the Republican's
advantage. It's all speculation when it gets to "intents and purposes"
anyway.
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: That's why I'm brainstorming to improve it in terms of better long-term
: strategy.
: And by the way how is it that democracy can avoid the worst result? I read
: about this statement in several places. But the logic was never clear to me.
: It is not garanteed that the voters have the knowledge or the power, or the
: control to dodge the "worst case scenario".
:
: rely
: result,
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m******t
发帖数: 2416 | 16 I don't really think it can be mathematically proven. Nor is any democracy
bullet-proof. After all, on the technical level, it's only a procedure.
Ultimately, the outcome of the procedure is more determined by the people's
input than the procedure itself. That's why I always say that electing Bush
to the office in 2000 was some bad luck for the American people, and re-
electing him in 2004 was sheer stupidity (well, the stupidity in about 51%
of them anyway).
That being said, I would argue that,
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: That's why I'm brainstorming to improve it in terms of better long-term
: strategy.
: And by the way how is it that democracy can avoid the worst result? I read
: about this statement in several places. But the logic was never clear to me.
: It is not garanteed that the voters have the knowledge or the power, or the
: control to dodge the "worst case scenario".
:
: rely
: result,
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