j****2
发帖数: 63 | 1 想换掉AIR FILLTER 和AIR INTAKE 不知道哪个牌子的会比较好??? |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 2 为啥要换?911原厂的不是挺好?
【在 j****2 的大作中提到】
: 想换掉AIR FILLTER 和AIR INTAKE 不知道哪个牌子的会比较好???
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m*********8
发帖数: 1018 | |
j****2
发帖数: 63 | |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 5 没必要动了,否则还void保修,同时也不会有太明显的提高.
【在 j****2 的大作中提到】
: 就是在请教有什么更好的.
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y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 6 这个没必要折腾了，就用OEM的。保时捷的设计还信不过？
高流量的比如K&N，有过滤效果不好的潜在危险。其实最多也就几hp（小于5）的差别。
保时捷的NA engine已经压榨的很厉害了。如果换intake还能提高几HP，保时捷自己就做了。
别说保时捷了，G35/350z的OEM intake经过dyno测试，没有after market能超过的。 |
c*********r
发帖数: 19468 | 7 996 or 997? which model?
【在 j****2 的大作中提到】
: 想换掉AIR FILLTER 和AIR INTAKE 不知道哪个牌子的会比较好???
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 8 997 911,是不是S忘了,楼主新买的,我感觉没啥必要折腾了
【在 c*********r 的大作中提到】
: 996 or 997? which model?
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g**e
发帖数: 6127 | 9 那就是我也不用换啥CAI了，整点好filter就行了。有啥推荐的？我现在用puralator的
就做了。
【在 y*******n 的大作中提到】
: 这个没必要折腾了，就用OEM的。保时捷的设计还信不过？
: 高流量的比如K&N，有过滤效果不好的潜在危险。其实最多也就几hp（小于5）的差别。
: 保时捷的NA engine已经压榨的很厉害了。如果换intake还能提高几HP，保时捷自己就做了。
: 别说保时捷了，G35/350z的OEM intake经过dyno测试，没有after market能超过的。
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y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 10 我就用最cheap的fram的啊，还好吧。oil filter 别用fram的。
我看他们dyno的，没一个换了CAI马力是提高的。
【在 g**e 的大作中提到】
: 那就是我也不用换啥CAI了，整点好filter就行了。有啥推荐的？我现在用puralator的
:
: 就做了。
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c*********r
发帖数: 19468 | 11 just searched for his postings
09 997 CS! no need to do anything at all unless he wants to downgrade it.
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 997 911,是不是S忘了,楼主新买的,我感觉没啥必要折腾了
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y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 12 100%同意。
【在 c*********r 的大作中提到】
: just searched for his postings
: 09 997 CS! no need to do anything at all unless he wants to downgrade it.
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l**********l
发帖数: 4468 | 13 同意。看了很多人很多辆车。不但没看到一个提高的，全都减少了。。。
【在 y*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我就用最cheap的fram的啊，还好吧。oil filter 别用fram的。
: 我看他们dyno的，没一个换了CAI马力是提高的。
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j****2
发帖数: 63 | |
t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 15 I have asked the dealer, they said no really, unless they found out the
problem is caused by the modification.
【在 p*********e 的大作中提到】
: 没必要动了,否则还void保修,同时也不会有太明显的提高.
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t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 16 Sorry to give you the Cayman site, but it should be close to 911. |
w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 17
imporve on the car, is because the ECU setting (i.e. X% of air mix with Y%
gas) is still the same.
you got the wrong idea. power is not made by making the mixture richer thru
an ECU remap. the intention of installing better intake/filter is to improve
airflow. more air means the injectors will correspondingly inject more fuel
as dictated by the fuel injection map. more fuel burnt in the same amount
of time means more power. the reason said intake/filter won't work is
because they don't provide
【在 t******9 的大作中提到】
: Sorry to give you the Cayman site, but it should be close to 911.
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 18 对你的车来说，靠filter增加个两三马力有什么意义？不要瞎整了
【在 j****2 的大作中提到】
: AIR FILTER 呢???
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c*********r
发帖数: 19468 | 19 不是这么简单的问题，尤其楼主的车是DFI直喷机，喷油量和进气量对应没有那么简单
而且引擎管理程序需要的map也不是光是喷油就好了
点火也要有map，进气控流阀也要有map，VVT也要有map，VVL也要有map……
比方说，如果你改了进气，但是并没有针对新的进气优化VarioCam Plus的
那你完全可能得到副效果
总之，Porsche DFI引擎可能算当前最复杂的引擎了，DI，VVT，VVL……
所有已知的技术手段几乎一应俱全，要改它没有一定的水平，不去全面的大动干戈
想仅仅改改进气就能有明显提高，简直是根本不可能的事情……
thru
improve
fuel
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
:
: imporve on the car, is because the ECU setting (i.e. X% of air mix with Y%
: gas) is still the same.
: you got the wrong idea. power is not made by making the mixture richer thru
: an ECU remap. the intention of installing better intake/filter is to improve
: airflow. more air means the injectors will correspondingly inject more fuel
: as dictated by the fuel injection map. more fuel burnt in the same amount
: of time means more power. the reason said intake/filter won't work is
: because they don't provide
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c*********r
发帖数: 19468 | 20 我的建议是等下看，也许Porsche会推出新的Carrera S Power Kit
如果能retro-fit的话，是个保险的选择
要么就去问问那些专业的Porsche改装厂，用他们的全套方案，那样会有效果
（但是性价比方面恐怕就……）
【在 c*********r 的大作中提到】
: 不是这么简单的问题，尤其楼主的车是DFI直喷机，喷油量和进气量对应没有那么简单
: 而且引擎管理程序需要的map也不是光是喷油就好了
: 点火也要有map，进气控流阀也要有map，VVT也要有map，VVL也要有map……
: 比方说，如果你改了进气，但是并没有针对新的进气优化VarioCam Plus的
: 那你完全可能得到副效果
: 总之，Porsche DFI引擎可能算当前最复杂的引擎了，DI，VVT，VVL……
: 所有已知的技术手段几乎一应俱全，要改它没有一定的水平，不去全面的大动干戈
: 想仅仅改改进气就能有明显提高，简直是根本不可能的事情……
:
: thru
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b**********g
发帖数: 534 | 21 why not just trade it in and get a turbo? |
j****2
发帖数: 63 | 22 因为TURBO 是四驱,而且提升空间更加小了... 小弟就是想学点东西.. |
b**********g
发帖数: 534 | 23 我觉得吧,你正经该提升的是driver,
千万别误解,不是说你车开的不好,是说这个才是决定你能否把你牛车性能发挥
出来的关键, 去参加几个DE感受一下吧.
千万别听人鼓吹什么提升空间,烂车提升空间才大,
一个破civic恨不能砸几十k去改,改出来还是个civic.
【在 j****2 的大作中提到】
: 因为TURBO 是四驱,而且提升空间更加小了... 小弟就是想学点东西..
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t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 24 sorry for the misslead info, i got that from some website.
By the way, for ECU
For example, before GAIC ECU flash, my Cayman S' HP line is kind flat, until 4000 rpm, then the Hp will go up and up....
after the ECU flash, Hp increase much more (40 hp) before 4000 rmp (because porsche limited the performance), and did increase 5 hp at max Hp.
thru
improve
fuel
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
:
: imporve on the car, is because the ECU setting (i.e. X% of air mix with Y%
: gas) is still the same.
: you got the wrong idea. power is not made by making the mixture richer thru
: an ECU remap. the intention of installing better intake/filter is to improve
: airflow. more air means the injectors will correspondingly inject more fuel
: as dictated by the fuel injection map. more fuel burnt in the same amount
: of time means more power. the reason said intake/filter won't work is
: because they don't provide
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t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 25 I think that is what i mean, thank you for clearfy that for me.
and Porsche offer Chrono Sport, which gives driver 2 kind of throttle responses.
Some people say, with "Sport" throttle Map, there is more Hp and car is faster.
Hoever, some people say, with "Sport" throttle map, it will make you feel the car is fast, but they are NOT.
my personal experience is when i am with "Sport" throttle, the gas paddle is lighter, and by giving same amount of gas, the rpm goes higher (from 3K to 4K).
and whi
【在 c*********r 的大作中提到】
: 不是这么简单的问题，尤其楼主的车是DFI直喷机，喷油量和进气量对应没有那么简单
: 而且引擎管理程序需要的map也不是光是喷油就好了
: 点火也要有map，进气控流阀也要有map，VVT也要有map，VVL也要有map……
: 比方说，如果你改了进气，但是并没有针对新的进气优化VarioCam Plus的
: 那你完全可能得到副效果
: 总之，Porsche DFI引擎可能算当前最复杂的引擎了，DI，VVT，VVL……
: 所有已知的技术手段几乎一应俱全，要改它没有一定的水平，不去全面的大动干戈
: 想仅仅改改进气就能有明显提高，简直是根本不可能的事情……
:
: thru
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c*********r
发帖数: 19468 | 26 fully agree
whether to tune a car depends on which factor is the bottleneck, car or
driving skill.
if you got a civic, probably it's the car that limits your performance.
but for a '09 Carrera S, I bet it won't be the case.
【在 b**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得吧,你正经该提升的是driver,
: 千万别误解,不是说你车开的不好,是说这个才是决定你能否把你牛车性能发挥
: 出来的关键, 去参加几个DE感受一下吧.
: 千万别听人鼓吹什么提升空间,烂车提升空间才大,
: 一个破civic恨不能砸几十k去改,改出来还是个civic.
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t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 27 hey, you are the second person (that i know) who own the porsche on this
club.
just want to say HI.
【在 j****2 的大作中提到】
: 因为TURBO 是四驱,而且提升空间更加小了... 小弟就是想学点东西..
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j****2
发帖数: 63 | 28 都是牛人,,, 哪位在长岛地区的,,, 有时间出来交流交流顺便教教小弟 |
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 29 I had a K&N on an earlier car. The filter oil clogged the MAF sensor and so the check engine light came on |
g**e
发帖数: 6127 | 30 mememe 不过我也需要人教……
【在 j****2 的大作中提到】
: 都是牛人,,, 哪位在长岛地区的,,, 有时间出来交流交流顺便教教小弟
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y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 31 找个培训班，带你上track的那种。公路上怎么也发挥不了近400匹的马力吧。除非去德
国的autoban。我只在电脑上玩游戏yy。
【在 j****2 的大作中提到】
: 都是牛人,,, 哪位在长岛地区的,,, 有时间出来交流交流顺便教教小弟
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 32 what Porsche does LZ drive? Carrera? I remember someone posted a pic of
his Carrera some time ago? |
t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 33 LZ has 2009 Carrera CS
and yes, he did posted some pics
interior
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/AutoFans/31193233.html
Extorior
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/AutoFans/31191257.html
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/AutoFans/31191258.html
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: what Porsche does LZ drive? Carrera? I remember someone posted a pic of
: his Carrera some time ago?
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 34 I find the linked pornographic content very offensive
Thanks for refreshing my memory.
【在 t******9 的大作中提到】
: LZ has 2009 Carrera CS
: and yes, he did posted some pics
: interior
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/AutoFans/31193233.html
: Extorior
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/AutoFans/31191257.html
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/AutoFans/31191258.html
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b**********g
发帖数: 534 | 35 I heard about the same issue but most likely that's because
ppl either applied too much oil after clean, or did not allow
plenty of time for it to dry before put it in.
I used 2 kn filters, they are a little bit louder, that's about it.
so the check engine light came on
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I had a K&N on an earlier car. The filter oil clogged the MAF sensor and so the check engine light came on
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b**********g
发帖数: 534 | 36 quite frankly, you can get most information from different forums
especially like http://www.pca.org/clubrace/
Everything will be down to seat time,
the more you are in a competitive environment (AutoX, Track Day, Drive
Education), the better you will become.
Just do not bother with road rage and street race, for your and others' good!
【在 j****2 的大作中提到】
: 都是牛人,,, 哪位在长岛地区的,,, 有时间出来交流交流顺便教教小弟
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t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 37 "I find the linked pornographic content very offensive"
me too, because i am using Fed. PC, so i need to be very very careful.
which link contains "pornographic content"?
i checked all the links and didn't find any, are you talking about the links
that i have provide to you earlier?
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I find the linked pornographic content very offensive
: Thanks for refreshing my memory.
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t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 38 en, agree.
911 is really hard to drive, there are several times that i have lost control (loos grip at rear), because there were sand on the road.
that is why i switch to mid-engine, it has much much better handeling.
go to http://www.porschedriving.com/Sports-Driving.aspx
they are very good.
【在 b**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得吧,你正经该提升的是driver,
: 千万别误解,不是说你车开的不好,是说这个才是决定你能否把你牛车性能发挥
: 出来的关键, 去参加几个DE感受一下吧.
: 千万别听人鼓吹什么提升空间,烂车提升空间才大,
: 一个破civic恨不能砸几十k去改,改出来还是个civic.
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 39 I was talking about the "car porn"...
it was meant to be a joke
links
【在 t******9 的大作中提到】
: "I find the linked pornographic content very offensive"
: me too, because i am using Fed. PC, so i need to be very very careful.
: which link contains "pornographic content"?
: i checked all the links and didn't find any, are you talking about the links
: that i have provide to you earlier?
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 40 allow it to dry? what do you mean? i just took it out of the box and
swapped it in. the manual didn't mention anything about drying.
Also i never re-oiled that filter
【在 b**********g 的大作中提到】
: I heard about the same issue but most likely that's because
: ppl either applied too much oil after clean, or did not allow
: plenty of time for it to dry before put it in.
: I used 2 kn filters, they are a little bit louder, that's about it.
:
: so the check engine light came on
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b**********g
发帖数: 534 | 41 some filters have a little bit more oil than others from factory,
you have to check it out before putting it on.
Also some sensors are more sensitive to the oil.
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: allow it to dry? what do you mean? i just took it out of the box and
: swapped it in. the manual didn't mention anything about drying.
: Also i never re-oiled that filter
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t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 42 I think he mean, while re-oiled the filter, dry out the filer, by put the
filter in room temperature for couple days
i have re-oiled my K&N air filter (not a good idea, I should not have done that)
I have purched the re-oil kit, (cleaner + oil)
Step 1, apply the cleaner on the air filter (wait 5-10 min for cleaner get
into the filter)
Step 2, use water to wash out the old oil and cleaner
Step 3 (very important),
set the filter for at least 3-4 days to let it dry out (natrual).
(ps: i left it in
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: allow it to dry? what do you mean? i just took it out of the box and
: swapped it in. the manual didn't mention anything about drying.
: Also i never re-oiled that filter
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 43 I used the K&N for 8 years without re-oiling. I bought the re-oil kit, but
it just seemed too troublesome to bother wise. So I just knocked the filter
against a wall occassionally
that)
【在 t******9 的大作中提到】
: I think he mean, while re-oiled the filter, dry out the filer, by put the
: filter in room temperature for couple days
: i have re-oiled my K&N air filter (not a good idea, I should not have done that)
: I have purched the re-oil kit, (cleaner + oil)
: Step 1, apply the cleaner on the air filter (wait 5-10 min for cleaner get
: into the filter)
: Step 2, use water to wash out the old oil and cleaner
: Step 3 (very important),
: set the filter for at least 3-4 days to let it dry out (natrual).
: (ps: i left it in
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t******9
发帖数: 1254 | 44 yap, do NOT re-oil it, you really don't need it.
but
filter
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: I used the K&N for 8 years without re-oiling. I bought the re-oil kit, but
: it just seemed too troublesome to bother wise. So I just knocked the filter
: against a wall occassionally
:
: that)
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