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发帖数: 193 | 1 下面是我从Belief 版看来的帖子。 看后心情沉重。 希望弟兄姐妹们讨论讨论。
【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
发信人: hutuguohuo (糊涂过活之傻人), 信区: Belief
标 题: 发个帖子，感谢大佬们
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 30 00:55:25 2008)
蹲在这里tk了良久，终于忍不住注册上来发个帖子，感谢各位大佬。
小的我在美国一个穷山僻壤之处，经常碰到一些困难，精神上也非常孤独，后来受到一
些基督徒朋友的友善对待。我非常之感动。滴水之恩，涌泉相报。自己也努力去回报别
人对我的善意，比在国内时对待朋友更加用心。毕竟那时，同学一大把，自己自然自然
就是朋友很多。到了这里孤立无援时，碰到了给予温暖的人，内心感激之情，无须多言。
积极主动地请人吃饭，注意观察别人的需求喜好，然后在节日或者生日时送给她们，在
别人碰到困难时也尽量去帮助。我做了自己所能做的，所以和基督徒朋友们非常和睦相
处。
一度觉得这样的生活真是挺好的。
但是后来渐渐出现裂痕。因为她们希望我可以信神，而我不是很信。在最初的时候还好
，毕竟别人也比较有耐心，我自 | q*******s
发帖数: 193 | 2 各位弟兄姐妹， 上面的帖子我是从 Belief 版 转来的。 看后我心情很沉重。 希望
大家讨论一下， 怎么才能带人向主， 而不要成为他人的绊脚石。
文中写道 “其实始终我的语气和疑问都是非常客气的，但是有人非常愤怒，他们可能
觉得我在捣乱。而且觉得我很愚蠢吧，怎么解释都听不懂。”
“这种类似的我个人觉得还算挺客气的回答使得我和基督徒朋友们之间的矛盾越来越大
。他们觉得我简直就是在找事儿，和太过于顽固不开化。”
这个情况我在华人的教会里也曾经观察到。 某些弟兄姐妹高高在上，对教外朋友的提
问称为‘捣乱’， 对教内弟兄姐妹的提问称为受撒旦利用， 结果使得不少弟兄姐妹在
教会内不敢讲出心里话。 也许我们华人有恨铁不成钢的心态，想着帮助对方快快走上
正道，但效果却不好。 在一些西人的教会里，反而彼此尊重得多。
大家讲讲吧，怎么才能更好地帮助华人认识主呢？ | G******0
发帖数: 737 | 3 from what he/she said, the ways those Christians treated him/her were not so
good in some cases, and at the point, Satan seemed to have successfully
opposed him/her from believing the Lord. On the other side, he/she still
tried to go through rational thinking to believe, which is actually easier
to turn him/her into some bias on the words in the Bible. | q*******s
发帖数: 193 | 4 But what can we do in the future to make the situation better?
so
【在 G******0 的大作中提到】
: from what he/she said, the ways those Christians treated him/her were not so
: good in some cases, and at the point, Satan seemed to have successfully
: opposed him/her from believing the Lord. On the other side, he/she still
: tried to go through rational thinking to believe, which is actually easier
: to turn him/her into some bias on the words in the Bible.
| G******0
发帖数: 737 | 5 go to the words of the Lord, pray to him...as for the ways, personally I
think people care what we do more than what we say...and humbleness is very
powerful from my experience in introducing God's words to non-believers...
【在 q*******s 的大作中提到】
: But what can we do in the future to make the situation better?
:
: so
| q*******s
发帖数: 193 | 6 I agree with you here. Our attitude is the key. When you mentioned
humbleness, I recalled the fruit of the spirit(Galatians 5:22):
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness."
If we can be full of love and kindness at all times when we talk to non-
christians, things could be quite different. Sometimes we lose patience
because we wonder why there is no change in that person's heart after such a
long time. But if we can remember that we are no
【在 G******0 的大作中提到】
: go to the words of the Lord, pray to him...as for the ways, personally I
: think people care what we do more than what we say...and humbleness is very
: powerful from my experience in introducing God's words to non-believers...
| k*d
发帖数: 615 | 7 When people seem to be more and more difficult to believe,
a common complaint is that the generations are getting lost. However,
to be fair, there is something to blame also on the current
`mainstream form' of Christianity (may be more specifically
mainstream Chinese Christians).
This mainstream has a tendency of discounting rationality
and keeping the old way of beliefs in this modern society.
The more modern ways of belief should have its proper respect on
rationality and science and regard th
【在 q*******s 的大作中提到】
: 下面是我从Belief 版看来的帖子。 看后心情沉重。 希望弟兄姐妹们讨论讨论。
: 【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
: 发信人: hutuguohuo (糊涂过活之傻人), 信区: Belief
: 标 题: 发个帖子，感谢大佬们
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 30 00:55:25 2008)
: 蹲在这里tk了良久，终于忍不住注册上来发个帖子，感谢各位大佬。
: 小的我在美国一个穷山僻壤之处，经常碰到一些困难，精神上也非常孤独，后来受到一
: 些基督徒朋友的友善对待。我非常之感动。滴水之恩，涌泉相报。自己也努力去回报别
: 人对我的善意，比在国内时对待朋友更加用心。毕竟那时，同学一大把，自己自然自然
: 就是朋友很多。到了这里孤立无援时，碰到了给予温暖的人，内心感激之情，无须多言。
| G******0
发帖数: 737 | 8 i agree with you on many points in your comments...but i think rationality
cannot replace belief...if we only use rationality, we are using our finite
knowledge and ability to know the infinite God, which easily generates bias.
..on the other side, the Lord lets human beings use their ways to know the
rules (natural and moral) created by him...we should honor him when we find
more about him, respect and be afraid of him, and most importantly, love him.
..
【在 k*d 的大作中提到】
: When people seem to be more and more difficult to believe,
: a common complaint is that the generations are getting lost. However,
: to be fair, there is something to blame also on the current
: `mainstream form' of Christianity (may be more specifically
: mainstream Chinese Christians).
: This mainstream has a tendency of discounting rationality
: and keeping the old way of beliefs in this modern society.
: The more modern ways of belief should have its proper respect on
: rationality and science and regard th
| k*d
发帖数: 615 | 9 There is nothing that you said that I disagree-
I mean I agree with all what you said.
Reading the posts on the Belief board, I feel a deep pity
about what is lost there for those people who strongly
attack belief in God due to their disagreement with the
`fundamentalism'. The two are not equal (even if they
sometimes seem to be, in the environment that I live in).
I feel very fortunate, (or blessed, in another word,) that
my modern education and scientific training, and my disagreement
with the | G******0
发帖数: 737 | 10 yes, the belief board makes me feel that we are still in a hostile
environment...
【在 k*d 的大作中提到】
: There is nothing that you said that I disagree-
: I mean I agree with all what you said.
: Reading the posts on the Belief board, I feel a deep pity
: about what is lost there for those people who strongly
: attack belief in God due to their disagreement with the
: `fundamentalism'. The two are not equal (even if they
: sometimes seem to be, in the environment that I live in).
: I feel very fortunate, (or blessed, in another word,) that
: my modern education and scientific training, and my disagreement
: with the
| g******s
发帖数: 3056 | 11 以前我经常在belief版行走，对belief版非常了解。
这篇文章一点都不让我惊讶。
belief版群魔乱舞，一小搓人仇视基督教，经常匿名发这种帖子，挑拨离间。
不知道处于什么变态的心态。
比方说有一个人哭诉说教会几个人七手八脚按着他强迫他受洗什么的。
在美国的中文教会会这么做么？
我总是鼓励慕道友来这里提问。
对于那些丑化基督教的文章，我从来都是置之不理。过不了多久就会有这么一篇以慕道友身份来攻击基督教的文章，内容不外乎是哭诉教会的遭遇。
大家习惯了就好。 |
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