I***b
发帖数: 209 | 1 6:15 耶稣既知道众人要来强逼他作王，就独自又退到山上去了。
圣经上还有一段人要强迫神为他们立王的事，是在撒母尔记上记载。立王的目的就是要
象外邦人一样，有王管理他们，好为他们争战。神对撒母尔说，他们不是厌弃你，他们
是厌弃我。
耶稣生下来就是要作以色列的王，为什么犹太人要逼他作王时他就退了？因为耶稣不是
来作他们争战的王。耶稣是要召回神的儿女，作他们心里的王。
人在信神的时候，都在考虑有什么样的好处给自己。所以很多人要拉大旗、做虎皮，以
达到自己的目的。孰不知真正的好处在神那里，以神为王好处自然在神里面。拉神为王
反是背道而驰。 | w*******e
发帖数: 6802 | 2 阿门！
特别是最后一段，发人深省。谢谢提醒。
【在 I***b 的大作中提到】
: 6:15 耶稣既知道众人要来强逼他作王，就独自又退到山上去了。
: 圣经上还有一段人要强迫神为他们立王的事，是在撒母尔记上记载。立王的目的就是要
: 象外邦人一样，有王管理他们，好为他们争战。神对撒母尔说，他们不是厌弃你，他们
: 是厌弃我。
: 耶稣生下来就是要作以色列的王，为什么犹太人要逼他作王时他就退了？因为耶稣不是
: 来作他们争战的王。耶稣是要召回神的儿女，作他们心里的王。
: 人在信神的时候，都在考虑有什么样的好处给自己。所以很多人要拉大旗、做虎皮，以
: 达到自己的目的。孰不知真正的好处在神那里，以神为王好处自然在神里面。拉神为王
: 反是背道而驰。
| w*******e
发帖数: 6802 | 3 仙鹤弟兄的引用的这段，也很好。
发信人: littletshirt (苹安喜乐), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: Re: ［约翰福音］6：1－15 既知道众人要来强逼他作王
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 17 23:27:59 2012, 美东)
thanks for sharing.
John Calvin's commentary:
"
15. To make him a king.
When those men intended to give to Christ the title and honor of king,
there was some ground for what they did. But they erred egregiously in
taking upon themselves the liberty of making a king; for Scripture ascribes
this as peculiar to God alone, as it is said,
I have appointed my king on my holy hill of Zion,
(Psalm 2:6.)
Again, what sort of kingdom do they contrive for him? An earthly one, which
is utterly inconsistent with his person. Hence let us learn how dangerous it
is, in the things of God, to neglect His word, and to contrive anything of
our own opinion; for there is nothing which the foolish subtlety of our
understanding does not corrupt. And what avails the pretense of zeal, when
by our disorderly worship we offer a greater insult to God than if a person
were expressly and deliberately to make an attack on his glory?
We know how furious were the efforts of adversaries to extinguish the glory
of Christ. That violence, indeed, reached its extreme point when he was
crucified. But by means of his crucifixion salvation was obtained for the
world, and Christ himself obtained a splendid triumph over death and Satan.
If he had permitted himself to be now made a king, his spiritual kingdom
would have been ruined, the Gospel would have been stamped with everlasting
infamy, and the hope of salvation would have been utterly destroyed. Modes
of worship regulated according to our own fancy, and honors rashly contrived
by men, have no other advantage than this, that they rob God of his true
honor, and pour upon him nothing but reproach.
And take him by force. We must also observe the phrase, take by force They
wished to take Christ by force, the Evangelist says; that is, with impetuous
violence they wished to make him a king, though against his will. If we
desire, therefore, that he should approve of the honor which we confer upon
him, we ought always to consider what he requires. And, indeed, they who
venture to offer to God honors invented by themselves are chargeable with
using some sort of force and violence towards him; for obedience is the
foundation of true worship. Let us also learn from it with what reverence we
ought to abide by the pure and simple word of God; for as soon as we turn
aside in the smallest degree, the truth is poisoned by our leaven, so that
it is no longer like itself. They learned from the word of God that he who
was promised to be the Redeemer would be a king; but out of their own head
they contrive an earthly kingdom, and they assign to him a kingdom contrary
to the word of God. Thus, whenever we mix up our own opinions with the word
of God, faith degenerates into frivolous conjectures. Let believers,
therefore, cultivate habitual modesty, lest Satan hurry them into an ardor
of inconsiderate and rash zeal, so that, like the Giants, they shall rush
violently against God, who is never worshipped aright but when we receive
him as he presents himself to us.
It is astonishing that five thousand men should have been seized with such
daring presumption, that they did not hesitate, by making a new king, to
provoke against themselves Pilate’s army and the vast power of the Roman
empire; and it is certain that they would never have gone so far, if they
had not, relying on the predictions of the Prophets, hoped that God would be
on their side, and, consequently, that they would overcome. But still they
went wrong in contriving a kingdom of which the Prophets had never spoken.
So far are they from having the hand of God favorable to aid their
undertaking that, on the contrary, Christ withdraws. That was also the
reason why wretched men under Popery wandered so long in gross darkness —
while God was, as it were, absent — because they had dared to pollute the
whole of his worship by their foolish inventions.
" | b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 4 “人在信神的时候，都在考虑有什么样的好处给自己。所以很多人要拉大旗、做虎皮，
以达到自己的目的。孰不知真正的好处在神那里，以神为王好处自然在神里面。拉神为
王反是背道而驰。”
我在想，怎样才是以神为王呢？ | w*******e
发帖数: 6802 | 5 以耶稣为我们生活的中心。
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: “人在信神的时候，都在考虑有什么样的好处给自己。所以很多人要拉大旗、做虎皮，
: 以达到自己的目的。孰不知真正的好处在神那里，以神为王好处自然在神里面。拉神为
: 王反是背道而驰。”
: 我在想，怎样才是以神为王呢？
| I***b
发帖数: 209 | 6 本来早就想回答小小鸟的问题，可是七、八月太忙了，就把这个问题放在了心里，只等
得有个机会回答几句。今天先简单说说以神为王吧，等下一次我再讲另一个贴子里的“
合一”与“同等”的问题。
关于以神为王，以色列人的历史中有很长的一段时间都是如此，那就是从摩西带领以色
列人出埃及以后一直到以色列人士师时代的结束。神晓谕摩西带领以色列人出埃及的时
候说得很清楚，就是要以色列人“做我的民”，并且要世世代代做神的子民。因此在立
扫罗为王之前，神对撒母尔说他们不是厌弃撒母尔，是厌弃神。神既做以色列民的王，
就为以色列人颁布律例、典章，在以色列民中施行判断，并且亲自为以色列民征战。士
师记中纪录最多的就是神为以色列人征战的故事，而且以色列人征战的力量是直接从神
而来。比如最为人熟知的参孙，他的力量完全是神加给他的，所以当他被人剃了头发，
失去了神力，弄瞎了双眼的时候，当他准备最后一击的时候，他向神祷告求神的力量重
新加回。
所以如果可能，可以认真读一下从出埃及记到士师记。
出埃及记是神救赎的预表，神的心意、逾越节、十戒、圣洁的国民，都与我们今天的基
督徒生活息息相关。所以我们今天做了基督徒，我们就是以神为王了。
值得一提的是，如同在旧约中一样，神是主动来救赎我们、做我们王的。不是我们想以
神为王就以神为王，不想以神为王就不以神为王。神是我们的王，帮助随时在那里。
这个世界上不乏别有用心的人要拉神为王，但有的时候我们中的很多人也会自己忘掉了
神是我们的王，被自义压垮，或被自怜吓倒。
【在 b********g 的大作中提到】
: “人在信神的时候，都在考虑有什么样的好处给自己。所以很多人要拉大旗、做虎皮，
: 以达到自己的目的。孰不知真正的好处在神那里，以神为王好处自然在神里面。拉神为
: 王反是背道而驰。”
: 我在想，怎样才是以神为王呢？
| b********g
发帖数: 2156 | 7 太谢谢啦! 端个小板凳慢慢学习 :)
【在 I***b 的大作中提到】
: 本来早就想回答小小鸟的问题，可是七、八月太忙了，就把这个问题放在了心里，只等
: 得有个机会回答几句。今天先简单说说以神为王吧，等下一次我再讲另一个贴子里的“
: 合一”与“同等”的问题。
: 关于以神为王，以色列人的历史中有很长的一段时间都是如此，那就是从摩西带领以色
: 列人出埃及以后一直到以色列人士师时代的结束。神晓谕摩西带领以色列人出埃及的时
: 候说得很清楚，就是要以色列人“做我的民”，并且要世世代代做神的子民。因此在立
: 扫罗为王之前，神对撒母尔说他们不是厌弃撒母尔，是厌弃神。神既做以色列民的王，
: 就为以色列人颁布律例、典章，在以色列民中施行判断，并且亲自为以色列民征战。士
: 师记中纪录最多的就是神为以色列人征战的故事，而且以色列人征战的力量是直接从神
: 而来。比如最为人熟知的参孙，他的力量完全是神加给他的，所以当他被人剃了头发，
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