y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 1 get 9th. 20BB shove.
Do not know whether it is correct.
Full Tilt Poker Game #11735756395: $16,000 Guarantee (87885477), Table 51 -
5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:22:55 ET - 2009/04/17
Seat 1: hardup4chips (256,186)
Seat 2: A_7th_Sign (360,337)
Seat 3: pokeryjj (216,264)
Seat 4: llebdet (314,536)
Seat 5: TiltyZ (137,407)
Seat 6: jackson36 (205,681)
Seat 7: TXrounder1 (225,391)
Seat 8: bkaal (209,492)
Seat 9: swtdude (111,706)
hardup4chips antes 1,000
A_7th_Sign antes 1,000
pokeryjj | y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 2 Maybe I should fold preflop.
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【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : get 9th. 20BB shove. : Do not know whether it is correct. : Full Tilt Poker Game #11735756395: $16,000 Guarantee (87885477), Table 51 - : 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:22:55 ET - 2009/04/17 : Seat 1: hardup4chips (256,186) : Seat 2: A_7th_Sign (360,337) : Seat 3: pokeryjj (216,264) : Seat 4: llebdet (314,536) : Seat 5: TiltyZ (137,407) : Seat 6: jackson36 (205,681)
| k***n 发帖数: 1682 | 3 9th是有点可惜, 如果要FOLD AK, 也只能是因为他是CHIP LEADER,最好避开.
而且在BB后RAISE那么多的,几乎都是大对.
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【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : get 9th. 20BB shove. : Do not know whether it is correct. : Full Tilt Poker Game #11735756395: $16,000 Guarantee (87885477), Table 51 - : 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:22:55 ET - 2009/04/17 : Seat 1: hardup4chips (256,186) : Seat 2: A_7th_Sign (360,337) : Seat 3: pokeryjj (216,264) : Seat 4: llebdet (314,536) : Seat 5: TiltyZ (137,407) : Seat 6: jackson36 (205,681)
| i********r 发帖数: 1153 | 4 whats his pfr in early position?
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【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : get 9th. 20BB shove. : Do not know whether it is correct. : Full Tilt Poker Game #11735756395: $16,000 Guarantee (87885477), Table 51 - : 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:22:55 ET - 2009/04/17 : Seat 1: hardup4chips (256,186) : Seat 2: A_7th_Sign (360,337) : Seat 3: pokeryjj (216,264) : Seat 4: llebdet (314,536) : Seat 5: TiltyZ (137,407) : Seat 6: jackson36 (205,681)
| i********r 发帖数: 1153 | 5 can he raise less?
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】 : 9th是有点可惜, 如果要FOLD AK, 也只能是因为他是CHIP LEADER,最好避开. : 而且在BB后RAISE那么多的,几乎都是大对. : : -
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 6 Sometimes, I do fold ak or 66-99 preflop.
His preflop raise is only 2.7BB. I shove with 21bb since I do have a big
hand.
I watched the whole tourney later on. I found it maybe just a cooler hand.
3 action possible.
call --- I guess it is ok, because my stack allows to see a flop, then fold.
fold --- Maybe this is the only correct way to play.
raise utg raiser is dangerous always. And I do not need the pot yet, 5bb in the pot, and I have 21bb now.
raise allin --- It is OK. Since I have a stack a
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】 : 9th是有点可惜, 如果要FOLD AK, 也只能是因为他是CHIP LEADER,最好避开. : 而且在BB后RAISE那么多的,几乎都是大对. : : -
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 7 I watched later game.
His utg 3bb raise includes 22 or rubbish.
If he raise with 22, he can not call my allin raise.
The problem is that my stack is a little too huge to shove there.
And any 3bet means allin.
I guess the correct way is to fold.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】 : whats his pfr in early position? : : -
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 8 Should say his raise is perfect for him.
99-qq, ak, aq will shove him, and he can call.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】 : can he raise less?
| i********r 发帖数: 1153 | 9 pot is 2.4BB before his raise. isn't it just a minraise?
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : Should say his raise is perfect for him. : 99-qq, ak, aq will shove him, and he can call.
| i********r 发帖数: 1153 | 10 what would you do with AA in this spot? will you shove or 3bet?
anyways i think you are being result oriented. his range is wide enough for
your shove to be profitable imo. you do have AK so he has less AA/KK combo.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : I watched later game. : His utg 3bb raise includes 22 or rubbish. : If he raise with 22, he can not call my allin raise. : The problem is that my stack is a little too huge to shove there. : And any 3bet means allin. : I guess the correct way is to fold.
| | | i********r 发帖数: 1153 | 11 i think flat call is definitely a viable play here. if you see a favorable
flop you can play aggressively and your hand strength is well disguised.
Plus you keep the hands you dominate in the pot. If you shove all of those
hands might fold. I mean if he had AQ, i doubt he would call a shove when
you 3bet a EP open. You also encourage someone behind you to squeeze with a
worse hand.
fold.
in the pot, and I have 21bb now.
risk, and
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : Sometimes, I do fold ak or 66-99 preflop. : His preflop raise is only 2.7BB. I shove with 21bb since I do have a big : hand. : I watched the whole tourney later on. I found it maybe just a cooler hand. : 3 action possible. : call --- I guess it is ok, because my stack allows to see a flop, then fold. : fold --- Maybe this is the only correct way to play. : raise utg raiser is dangerous always. And I do not need the pot yet, 5bb in the pot, and I have 21bb now. : raise allin --- It is OK. Since I have a stack a
| k***n 发帖数: 1682 | 12 A_7th_Sign raises to 27,775
pokeryjj raises to 215,264,
汗, 我看错了. 以为A_7th_Sign raises 27X,XXX
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】 : can he raise less?
| k***n 发帖数: 1682 | 13 简单说就是不要BEFORE FLOP 主动拿AK/AQ ALLIN. AK/AQ都是DRAW, 本质上还是在赌.
a
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】 : i think flat call is definitely a viable play here. if you see a favorable : flop you can play aggressively and your hand strength is well disguised. : Plus you keep the hands you dominate in the pot. If you shove all of those : hands might fold. I mean if he had AQ, i doubt he would call a shove when : you 3bet a EP open. You also encourage someone behind you to squeeze with a : worse hand. : : fold. : in the pot, and I have 21bb now. : risk, and
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 14 not goal oriented.
if I have only 12bb-13bb, it is a good shove.
If I have 21bb, it becomes a bad shove.
If I have AA, I will 3bet there. He raise to 2.7bb, I will reraise to 7bb.
for
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【在 i********r 的大作中提到】 : what would you do with AA in this spot? will you shove or 3bet? : anyways i think you are being result oriented. his range is wide enough for : your shove to be profitable imo. you do have AK so he has less AA/KK combo.
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 15 flat call is ok since I have 21bb stack, and still can afford to fold.
folding is ok also, since no need to involve in a big pot yet.
a
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】 : i think flat call is definitely a viable play here. if you see a favorable : flop you can play aggressively and your hand strength is well disguised. : Plus you keep the hands you dominate in the pot. If you shove all of those : hands might fold. I mean if he had AQ, i doubt he would call a shove when : you 3bet a EP open. You also encourage someone behind you to squeeze with a : worse hand. : : fold. : in the pot, and I have 21bb now. : risk, and
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 16 allin is ok because gamble is always needed in poker., but need pay attention to blinds level, and stack size.
I guess it is a perfect time for us to discuss with this hand. Next time, we can play this hand perfectly.
I guess, on final table, and with a health stack, folding preflop is also a good play.
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【在 k***n 的大作中提到】 : 简单说就是不要BEFORE FLOP 主动拿AK/AQ ALLIN. AK/AQ都是DRAW, 本质上还是在赌. : : a
| i********r 发帖数: 1153 | 17 拿AA all-in也是赌。。。
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【在 k***n 的大作中提到】 : 简单说就是不要BEFORE FLOP 主动拿AK/AQ ALLIN. AK/AQ都是DRAW, 本质上还是在赌. : : a
| i********r 发帖数: 1153 | 18 then wouldn't that make your shoving range and 3bet range imbalanced?
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : not goal oriented. : if I have only 12bb-13bb, it is a good shove. : If I have 21bb, it becomes a bad shove. : If I have AA, I will 3bet there. He raise to 2.7bb, I will reraise to 7bb. : : for : .
| k***n 发帖数: 1682 | 19 AK 是DRAW. AA不是. 两人对决的时候AK和44由我选, 我会选44.
不是说AK 不能主动ALL IN, 主要是在那环境下没必要.
都FINAL 了,CHIP排在中间, 没什么压力. 那时候每一个BIG MOVE都应该小心. 特别是对上CHIP LEADER更应该小心.
MTT进了FINAL, 但最后名次不好, 非常可惜.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】 : 拿AA all-in也是赌。。。 : : .
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 20 any 3bet means allin.
I do not want to 3bet allin with ak.
But I want to allin with aa preflop.
He must have aj+, 88+ preflop(,which means he has a hand to call a 3bet raise), if he calls my 3bet, and catch any piece on
the flop, he will allin on the flop.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】 : then wouldn't that make your shoving range and 3bet range imbalanced?
| | | y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 21 I agree.
it sucks to get 9th especially no need get broken yet.
If I do not have much chips, such as 8bb, then easy allin.
是对上CHIP LEADER更应该小心.
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】 : AK 是DRAW. AA不是. 两人对决的时候AK和44由我选, 我会选44. : 不是说AK 不能主动ALL IN, 主要是在那环境下没必要. : 都FINAL 了,CHIP排在中间, 没什么压力. 那时候每一个BIG MOVE都应该小心. 特别是对上CHIP LEADER更应该小心. : MTT进了FINAL, 但最后名次不好, 非常可惜.
| i********r 发帖数: 1153 | 22 seriously? 44 over AK?
是对上CHIP LEADER更应该小心.
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】 : AK 是DRAW. AA不是. 两人对决的时候AK和44由我选, 我会选44. : 不是说AK 不能主动ALL IN, 主要是在那环境下没必要. : 都FINAL 了,CHIP排在中间, 没什么压力. 那时候每一个BIG MOVE都应该小心. 特别是对上CHIP LEADER更应该小心. : MTT进了FINAL, 但最后名次不好, 非常可惜.
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 23 KKRUN means 44 is a little ahead of ak.
so do not play your hand like ak, ppl will call you with 55
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】 : seriously? 44 over AK? : : 是对上CHIP LEADER更应该小心.
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