K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 1 There is no secret about it.
18x20 has less spin, less power. Therefore it has better control.
That's just it.
So 18x20 low tension == 16x19 high tension, if everything else is
the same. If 18x20's tension is too low, you lose control too. |
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t*****n 发帖数: 40 | 2 FYI, Poly with low tension is the new trend in pro tennis now. How low? How
about 40 LBS. Some pros even go 30 or 26 to the extreme. To find out more
detail, google "wall street journal tennis tension". I lowered my tension
from 55 LBS to 50 recently on my 18x20 98. The result is very impressive.
As for more debse pattern, it's up to your style. In my case, I can never
play 16x19. They are great for my compact two handed backhand, but forehand
I hit almost every ball out. But there is one good ... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 3 偶们league里面一个strong player, 有一次用Head Speed MP 18x20
52/54 lbs, 对偶直接0-4, 然后换成Prestige MP 18x20 60 lbs,
才得以2-6,6-2,1-0翻盘。
There isn't any magic with the low tension. |
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g*****y 发帖数: 7271 | 4 I think for the same head size, if you lower the tension of
18x20 to get the same power and spin as 16x19, 18x20 still
might have a little bit better control than 16x19.
Just think about a more extreme setup of 10x13 string pattern,
you will not be able to have good control no matter how high
the tension you set. hehe |
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a****n 发帖数: 4734 | 5 I did try both.
18x20 low tension =/= 16x19 high tension
Instead of 18x20 low tension, I suggest u to try 16x20 or 16x19 with smaller
head size. That's only my experience and opinion. |
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H******d 发帖数: 31 | 6 18x20 更省线。16*19 能用一个月的,18x20能用两个月。
适用于装酷吊丝男 |
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w******n 发帖数: 13172 | 7 对同样的拍面来说,比如95-100的,打起来有什么不同?俺现在用的是16x19,不过看
很多高手用18x20,迷惑的很 |
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g*****y 发帖数: 7271 | 8 同样的string在18x20上,耐用一些,哈哈 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 9 18x20 is not the best choice for topspin players. That said,
if you are a flat baller, you control the depth by adjusting
the force hitting through the ball as well as the racket head
angle, with the help of some topspin. Topspin players, on the
other hand, control the depth by adjusting the force brushing
up the ball (adjusting the spin and ball speed at the same
time).
It's true that topspin players don't hit long as often, but it's
equally hard to keep it deep, because topspin tends to make t |
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R*****d 发帖数: 615 | 10 16x18力量大,18x20好控制。
还有就是16x18自己上弦少费些事。 |
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t*******e 发帖数: 53 | 11 Demo a dunlop 4D 200 racket. Like the general feel and it is a good control
racket. But the string pattern is 18X20 instead of my old 16X19. is there a
big difference? What I found so far is I hit much flatter with this new
racket...Also since it is 1oz heavier than my old racket, my 1st server head
speed is slower.. |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 12 Just more control and less spin. My style suits 18x20 more
than 16x19, although I am using a 16x18 now, haha.
My feeling is that heavier but more head light racket is supposed
to serve faster.
control
a
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b**k 发帖数: 11850 | 13 18x20相对更利于平击而不利于刷spin
control
a
head |
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e***y 发帖数: 1443 | 14 刚去tw望了一眼,居然又减价了,到底值不值得买?
去年底从tt搞了2个二手Youtek Speed 18x20,用着不错,但是最近觉得2号拍比3号更
加舒服,所以想顺便升级了,这又减价难道有新搞作?? |
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a*****0 发帖数: 6788 | 15 俺一直用16x19的,绷中等磅数。 上旋不错但有时候球的去向不对,俺觉得是线稀加走
线的缘故。 以前有谁说过18x20加低磅数会稳定些,也有些旋。 有人的拍子是这样的
么? 更有人试过这两种设置么? |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 16 你需要怎样的"证"?
18x20的偶用过Radical MP, Prestige MP, Prestige Mid. 磅数有紧有松。
除了感觉比较难spin之外(尤其Prestige Mid),控制方面只要线松偶就
UE无数。当然偶是eastern grip,平击为主。 |
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a*****0 发帖数: 6788 | 17
主要是看小德的拍子有感。 他个全盘西化的握拍,拿个18x20的,不怎么打topspin,
但控球落点非常好。 |
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f**7 发帖数: 146 | 18 Mine are all 18x20, at 52 lb. Works great for me. |
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w******n 发帖数: 13172 | 19 偶的神拍是18x20,98拍面。偶是类似小德的强top spin深球打法。一般全poly 51-54lb
,夏天紧5lb |
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T*********s 发帖数: 98 | 20 我恰好两种String Pattern都用的低榜数,不过16x19是90拍面,18X20是98的。90拉的
是45lb. 98是46X48。个人感觉低磅数不伤手,省线(这点比较WS),暴力,上旋皆宜
,呵呵。 |
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g****f 发帖数: 185 | 21 俺用的18x20,52lb,而且是半年多前穿的了,现在都不知道掉磅掉成什么样了
不过用起来挺省力,有时也会打飞,感觉旋转不够。 |
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a*****0 发帖数: 6788 | 22
How about 40 LBS. Some pros even go 30 or 26 to the extreme. To find out
more
...............
不错,正是俺想知道的。谢。 俺原来有支Radical,可惜送人了,不然正好拿来绑个
40lb抽死人。 看来俺得去淘支便宜的18x20来试验。 |
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T*********s 发帖数: 98 | 23 我想弄个Prestige midplus (18X20) 做备用。你的是什么version? |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 24 你去问问Graf. 她用85拍面的18x20. 现在还是。 |
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a****n 发帖数: 4734 | 25 至少 18x20 可以穿成16x19,如果能感觉到差别,那么原装的16x19通常会差别更大 |
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c****3 发帖数: 189 | 26 16 X 20 string bed is kind of compromise between 16X18 and 18X20. So it has
both spin and control.
Wilson's 16X18 and 18X20 go to two extreme directions, and 16X19 for 95 is
still too loose to have enough control.
For 18X20, you need 98" or 100" to have enough spin, like what Joke and
Tommy Haas are using. No top pro is using 18X20 now, and only one is using
16X18.
at
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y*y 发帖数: 427 | 27 只要不是18x20就好 单反力量稍弱 用18x20打spin稍微吃力些
atp单反成名人物16x19/18是不是绝大多数
双反暴力男 18x20 很多 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 28 Dude, even his sponsored racket is Speed 18x20.
He used to sponsor Speed Pro, which is 16*19. Later Head realized
that it is too obvious that Joker uses 18x20 and people cannot
be fooled, they switched Joker's sponsorship to Speed MP which is
18x20. |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 29 Djokovic does not use Head Speed. That's a paint job, under which
he uses a Head Liquid Metal Radical MP mold with custom materials.
L3 with 16/19 is most likely an Extreme, but can also be the
newest Instinct. You probably meant 0.8 oz heavier.
Multiple Head models have dense string patterns (18x20). It does
not have direct relationship with the swing ratings. E.g.,
Prestige MP is 18x20, while Prestige Pro is 16x19. Prestige Mid,
btw, has the densest string pattern (18x20 on 90 sq in) among all... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****t 发帖数: 758 | 30 I am searching for a new main racquet, a soft racquet that is capable of
generating the extra topspin like Babolat APD and at the same time good for
the net. I have tried prince EX03 tour 18x20, microgel radical MP 18x20,
16x18. I will test Wilson PS 6.0.85, 6.1.90, 6.1.95.
Are there other racquets that I should consider?
APD is a great racquet, but it is too hard to my arm. EX03 is a good racquet
, but does not fit my style: its sweet-spot is too large; it feels
harrow (and doesn't generate eno... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 31 他做广告的是IG Speed 18x20和Graphene Speed Pro(重的那种)。
最早款的Youtek Speed最搞笑。起初广告做的是奇重无比的Speed Pro (16x19),
后来拍子太烂卖不动又开始做Speed MP 18x20的广告。
小德职业生涯一直用的Radical MP 18x20. |
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b*********s 发帖数: 6757 | 32 转俱乐部的一帖:
网球包被盗,5个拍子没了。看来老天爷要我换拍子了。
__________________________________________
top choice:
1. Wilson 6.1 18x20
2. Head Youtek Graphene Speed Pro
3. Blade 98 18 x 20; Pacific X Force Pro 16x20
still want try
1. blade 98 16x19 with lead tape
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Head Youtek Graphene Speed Pro
-反手超好用, 特别是drive. DTL drive never felt this good...
-正手有些不适应,球容易下网, 也不是那么容易打深 (可能是18x20关系);感觉
full swing 时, 在击球前会忽然慢下来,但rotate手腕时accelerate 很快;不是那
么forgiving, 如果racquet head 没有drop, 球容易下... 阅读全帖 |
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x*d 发帖数: 1696 | 33 不好意思,要否定你,不是单纯的反的,比如16x19旋转比18x20好,但是18x20平击并
不强,16x19平击也强,因为拉的长。但是18x20控制好。 |
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y*y 发帖数: 427 | 34 我也没说18x20打不了单反
不过对于业余选手 16x19肯定容易一些 值得尝试一下
另外就算用18x20,最好也别用16的粗线 |
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w******n 发帖数: 13172 | 35 definitely. I happen to have 4 demo rackets from TW now and want to try them
out. They are Head Youtek Prestige MP 18x20, Prestige Pro 16x19, Speed MP
18x20, Speed MP 16x19.
i |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 36 k90's string density is much lower than 18x20 on Prestige Mid 93 bah.
I compared Wilson Mid85 16x19 with Radical MP98 18x20, Radical is
denser.
or three months depending on what kind of poly it is. I believe many 暴力男
on this broad can accomplish it much faster. |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 37 偶准备首次尝试poly string,看看适不适合偶。初步计划是上低磅数all poly。
至今为止偶只用过syn gut. 出于做实验目的,目前不考虑hybrid.
有3个拍子可以选择:
Radical MP (95, 18x20, stiffness 64)
Wilson Mid (85, 16x18, stiffness 61)
Prestige Mid (90, 18x20, stiffness 62)
请问用哪个拍子做实验比较好?偶自己没有绷线机,无法afford多次尝试。Thanks. |
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w********u 发帖数: 1865 | 38 93的16x19其实还好,pop没有强到需要改挥拍方式去控制,跟98的18x20手感差别没那
么大,当然我
是比较volkl和boris becker类似的拍子。k95的18x20的pop就明显少了。 |
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c****3 发帖数: 189 | 39 打惯了K90, BLX90, BLX95 18x20, 总绝得对付不了对方的强SPIN深球, 所以搞了一只
降价的HEAD SPEED PRO, 加 RPM BLAST 16 57LB, 打了6,7个小时, 觉得很顺手:
优点:
SPIN 强得多, 但觉得可以上58LB, 少掉一些.
控制也不错, 很少打出底线.
SHBH 也很稳定, 刚开始觉得沉一点.
发球SPIN强, POWER强, 常常能一弹触网(旧球).
网前很STABLE.
缺点:
SWING WEIGHT 超重, 好象是最重的一个.
LEATHER 手柄太滑, 冬天得上OVERGRIP.
感觉比BLX95 18X20 好很多, 应该跟 BLX95 16X18 接近. |
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l********u 发帖数: 1479 | 40 亲戚来美旅游,指名要head L5 18X20的拍子, 网上搜了一下,发现是youtek speed
18X20的拍子。 不知为啥,亲戚要非亚洲产的. 虽然犯嘀咕,觉得难度大,不过也不好
说出来。后来打电话权威网站tennis-warehouse,结果人家说,他们网站上拍子,除了
那个日本的y牌,全都是中国产。。。顿时连打第二个电话的勇气都没了。。。 问下班
上的大侠,有可能在美国近期买到一个非亚洲产的那一款拍子么? 先谢过。。。 |
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e***y 发帖数: 1443 | 41 我用的 YouTek Speed Pro 18x20,以前还用过 Babolat PD Roddick and PD Cortex (
non Roddick).
拍头轻的如roddick,网前和发球都比较好控制,但是拍子重,有时候会打的累;
还用过一下tecnifibre tfight 325 vo2, 刚开始用的时候,控制很好,是我最常可以
打出winner的拍子,可是就是比较重,发球的时候,压拍反而有点难,但是网前很稳。
后来用了speed pro,重量较roddick和tfight 325都轻,但是拍头也不会很重,所以网
前和发球的控制都非常不错,加上18x20线床,打平击就比较顺手,特别是我反手本来
就打不出top spin |
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b*******s 发帖数: 1175 | 42 专攻网球快4年了,从刚开始穿hiking鞋打球,不知网球线磅数,到现在慢慢变成对各
种装置比较挑剔,一路走来,也是其乐无穷。。趁现在几周工作不太忙,灌灌水,希望
对新手有点用处。。。各位高手有补充的,继续搭楼。。。
1.球拍。
开始用的是Dunlop 200G, 手感和控制不错,可惜力量不够。发现wilson K95后,觉得
就无他了。两把一模一样的K95(18x20)拍子已经陪我了快3年了。好像K95(18x20)的拍
子很能再买到,市面上大部分是16x18的pattern.
2.球包
一直用的是当初买200G一起买的Dunlop包,结实耐用,不过很难看:(。 当初第一次
和蜗牛打球,他也背同样的包,心有戚戚。看上了Wilson的RF Edition包,打算升级了。
3.球线
刚开始一直用wilson的control线,某天经阿卡推荐用了Luxilon的ALU Power,觉得暴
力增0.5,就再也心无旁骛了。磅数55-58不等。
4.球鞋
从开始穿running/hiking鞋到买最便宜的网球鞋,再到试遍各种brand的网球鞋,到现
在只用Addidas barricade系列和N... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********0 发帖数: 4816 | 43 有谁用过Wilson BLX 6.1 95 Racket?感觉如何?是否稍稍重一点?给的建议吧。谢谢。
我虽然没有被正式定过级别,当应该是solid4.0,属于主动进攻的暴力型。目前我在用
TECNIFIBRE T. Feel 305 (18x20) Tennis Racquet,没有Wilson BLX 6.1那么重,感
觉还很合手。但也想试一试 Wilson BLX 6.1。
这个就是TECNIFIBRE T. Feel 305:
http://www.tennisexpress.com/TECNIFIBRE-T-Feel-305-18x20-Tennis
这个是 Wilson BLX six.one 95 Racket:
Features:
Head Size: 95 sq. in MP
Length: 27 inches
Weight: Unstrung -- 11.7 oz
Tension: 50-60 Pounds
Balance: 9 Pts Head Light
Beam Width: 21.6 mm Flat Beam
Composition: Karophite B... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 44 偶14x18到18x20都用过。
最喜欢18x20.
不过现在正在用107拍面的16x19. |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 45 It's still different. 6.1 team's 18x20 is more open. Note that
its throat piece only has 6 holes. All other 18x20 I know has
8 holes at the throat. |
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d*g 发帖数: 16592 | 46 早期就不说了,回来打网球是2009年下半年,现在一打三年多。
1 K6.1 95 18X20 各种sync gut 12.2oz 6个月
作为初学者(球感和初学者差不多)经常mishit off center球,没有得网球肘,网球
腕,主要是用这个拍子和syn gut的线。作为初学者,相比其他初学者,击球速度很快
,平击多(曾经多年前学过写正手平击),上璇少,动作比较协调,full swing。打上
的很多winner。发球平击发球,对于初学者动作比较标准,偶尔感觉不错时候能ace 3.
0-3.5的女油条,不过DF太多太多。不会网前技术,也没有觉得需要。
这个拍子好处是有很好的球feed back,作为新手,我打完球就基本能知道球落在哪里
,出不出界等等。控制也很好。同时重拍子迫使我不用手腕和用全身力,full swing,
所以比较容易做出符合规范的动作。最后就是能很好地吸收mishit的震荡,没有带来运
动伤害。(我球友很多是男性,一直面对力量pace比较大的来球)
2 K tour pro 16X19 pro hurricane tour 17 3,4个月 11.8oz
换这个... 阅读全帖 |
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d*g 发帖数: 16592 | 47 早期就不说了,回来打网球是2009年下半年,现在一打三年多。
1 K6.1 95 18X20 各种sync gut 12.2oz 6个月
作为初学者(球感和初学者差不多)经常mishit off center球,没有得网球肘,网球
腕,主要是用这个拍子和syn gut的线。作为初学者,相比其他初学者,击球速度很快
,平击多(曾经多年前学过写正手平击),上璇少,动作比较协调,full swing。打上
的很多winner。发球平击发球,对于初学者动作比较标准,偶尔感觉不错时候能ace 3.
0-3.5的女油条,不过DF太多太多。不会网前技术,也没有觉得需要。
这个拍子好处是有很好的球feed back,作为新手,我打完球就基本能知道球落在哪里
,出不出界等等。控制也很好。同时重拍子迫使我不用手腕和用全身力,full swing,
所以比较容易做出符合规范的动作。最后就是能很好地吸收mishit的震荡,没有带来运
动伤害。(我球友很多是男性,一直面对力量pace比较大的来球)
2 K tour pro 16X19 pro hurricane tour 17 3,4个月 11.8oz
换这个... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D 发帖数: 30533 | 48 偶打起来差很多,上次就讨论过。偶那时错把300和300 Tour(18x20)搞混了。
偶是死硬18x20派。 |
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k****3 发帖数: 2770 | 49 昨天收到了新买的Speed Pro,由于从16x18线床换到18x20,以前poly一组线剪一半的
方法已经不管用,费了不少时间最后发现只能以一组线拉一次坚线,特别浪费,估计以
后要买wheel才行。
今天拿新拍和朋友练了会,同样的磅数52M/C,从95到100拍头,16x18到18x20的线床,
刚开始还真不习惯。打了会手感也慢慢上来了,发现这拍子力量真不小,比K95强多了
,经常只要打中甜点,手腕撇一下就能打出很多pace,而且也更多spin。当击中甜点时
,感觉很POP,声音很solid的拍子。但是由于拍头重了,震荡也比K95大,手腕的压力
顿时增加不少,网前也没有K95那么稳。底线击球准备时间要早些,由于拍头重挥重也
大,击球慢了或打不中甜点,较为容易失控。On the run方面没有机会体验,练习也不
像比赛,所以不好评。但是总体来说是非常solid的底线型拍子,尤其spin friendly这
点非常好。
暂时来说近期应该继续用这拍子,还在适应期间。如果真能提高击球水准,估计就要和
K95说拜拜了。 |
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b*e 发帖数: 3845 | 50 喜欢上旋就不买18x20的拍子了。ATP上旋厉害的有几个用18x20的拍子?
Head的代表作绝对是prestige。 |
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