h******n
发帖数: 734 | 1 atp 2hbh is better because it is a pull bh rather than push bh. it uses the
top arm better, gives more leverage and plow through. it makes you hit the
ball more out in front. and many other benefits I can't think of now.
as to why professionally, almost all men hit 2hbh similarly and almost all
women hit 2hbh similarly, idk, it is very interesting topic.
the wta and atp 2hbh are well defined terms and are not from kennyd lol.
recreationally,it doesn't matter I guess.
stance wise: all top 2hbh u... 阅读全帖 |
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 2 imho:
roddick, murray, djokovic all hit with atp 2hbh. two things to check:
straight or bend of both elbows at contact point and the backswing.
as long as your non dominant elbow is straight from racket drop to contact
point and you have a non circular compact backswing, it is a atp 2hbh.
There are other details that differentiate but they are minor.
I don't think djokovic ever changed his 2hbh? his 2hbh has all
characteristics of an atp 2hbh.
we are getting too analytical lol.
andy
thats |
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s****s
发帖数: 775 | 3 当年的2hbh动作还很千姿百态，并未成型，想当年connors evert的2hbh动作拿到今天
看是很诡异的
今天的2hbh已经非常成熟，拉，打，包括脚步不到位时候的“捞”，“兜”都可以胜任
还有一个，反手swing volley很难想象单手可以做到，虽然我在tennis channel上看过
1hbh swing volley instruction demo，但在实战中没有见过 |
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 4 Thanks for the detailed explanation. Hold.. I think that is where you get "
1..2..3.." on most of your shots. I don't hold, similar to what you
describe as "aggressor often end up swing too early", so I could only count
"1..2.."
I think your "Hold" is similar to this video, when the coach want to have
time between initial back swing and forward swing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re6rDiYr1PQ
I will work on my "hold".
I think the hold or make sure I have a hold will help me to stay in bala... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********d
发帖数: 2406 | 5 2hbh的教程网上还是很多的
可以看FYB的
这个是2hbh 的分析
至于footwork 就更多了
关键在于练习，把动作做对。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 6 Of course I want a 1hbh like you! or maybe 2hbh like bee?
So what needs better footwork, your 1hbh or bee's 2hbh?
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move
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 7 wrong. open stance 2hbh, even 3.5 can do it. it's just a matter of whether
one wants to do it or not. Safin always do close stance 2hbh, by the way. |
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 8 Good volley would be a plus for sure. But it is not a must in single. Can do simple put-away should be enough.
I actually think LZ's backhand is comparable to JudieYan's at least.
Forehand is somehow better. Serve is very likely not as strong as JudieYan. Then, LZ might be 4.0.
By the way, LZ's friend has successfully replaced HomerJ as my role
model for 2HBH. The best 2HBH in all benned videos. Maybe not as consistent as HomerJ, but definitely lethal. |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 9 .
I used to be single hbh, then switched to double hbh. Now I started hitting
some single hbh, it actually improve tremendously. I'm still sticking with
2hbh, 1hbh when I'm on the run and opponent charges to the net. 1 hbh is
very powerful.
I don't recommend old knife to switch to 2hbh. I assume he is a crafty
player, this kind change won't benefit him much, it might act ually be more
detrimental. |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 10 .
I used to be single hbh, then switched to double hbh. Now I started hitting
some single hbh, it actually improve tremendously. I'm still sticking with
2hbh, 1hbh when I'm on the run and opponent charges to the net. 1 hbh is
very powerful.
I don't recommend old knife to switch to 2hbh. I assume he is a crafty
player, this kind change won't benefit him much, it might act ually be more
detrimental. |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 11 谢谢你的建议。关于减肥，可能我还是控制不住吃东西，一郁闷吃得就更多了。偶的心
理素质其实还可以，觉得主要是技术不到位，发挥得较差。过去两场风大又冷，对手都
强攻我反手，给我很多topspin的球。偶2hbh退不下去又没有footwork和timing打上升
期，最后一出短就不行了。而且反手高球2hbh借不上力。 |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 12 It seems that you're using brute force when hitting. There are 2 easy
sources that you can get more power from 2hbh.
1) from hip turn (racquet needs to be a little bit laid back, just like whip
a rope)
2) loose your left hand wrist to drop racquet head more.
Try to hit 2hbh more relaxed. The more relaxed, the more power you get.
Also make sure you only use 3 finger from right hand, so that right hand/arm
only contributes 10% of power.
浅. |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 13 最近练了几次对Dip Drive的体会:
1. At least 1 feet more space to the side
2. Wrist above elbow, i.e. don't drop racquet head too much
3. Don't hit down. Hit the same level/same trajectory back. There is a
little topspin, which should still drop the ball inside basement
4. Try hit across the ball. Ball will have a lot more side spin (with only a
little bit topspin)
5. Racquet take back should be ASAP. Backswing should finish before ball
bounce. Full shoulder turn is definitely needed in order to get enough
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 14 there is no way i can load and turn with one foot lol.
may be i should do more 'kaogu' to see why you give yourself a hint not to
use the core for 2hbh? maybe you are trying to hint your self not to
overrotate in 2hbh?
look at the fed inside out forehand that is a thing of beauty and a main
reason is he is letting his body go freely
would
move
point |
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h******n
发帖数: 734 | 15 if you hit a lot of open hand 2hbh then it pivots on the left foot. of
course, most 2hbh returns are done with open stance.
drag |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 16 Yeah.When you play lefty, you mostly use 2hbh to do the return right? :-) as
2hbh is easier to take it on the rise (but has a shorter distance of reach)
, it make sense to step more into the ball. However, for very wide slice
serve to the backhand, I saw on TV pro does it all the time that they do
first step with left foot (outside leg), then step in with right foot as
they swing the racquet. It's very tough to do this without muscle memory and
strong core.
is |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 17 I agree that Konta's forehand takes less time to prepare. But I think she is
using a compact version of WTA forehand. It looks like she lays back wrist
really early during takeback, this is the most characteristic of WTA
forehand. Her follow through is windshield wiper, which is modern follow
through. With racquet face closed, she can generate more topspin, thus her
Forehand has better control than Zhang Shuai.
Interestingly Konta's 2hbh is very similar as her forehand, as she lays back
her wris... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 18 today i got a match through tennisapolis, he is white about 6 feet,
self-claimed 3.5, first set, he was way too consistent for me even
though his serves are a lot weaker than mine, but his forehand
was so powerful with a lot of topspin, 2hbh is very consistent.
i tried to move up, if i was close to net, he would penetrate me,
if i stayed on the service line, my volley would not be strong
enough to win, i lost 1:6
2nd set, i tried to drop short, moved him up, then played deep to
his backhand, the |
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f***d
发帖数: 259 | 19 I'm at San Jose. Since you are in foster city, would you like to come to a
place in the middle to play on weekend?
today i got a match through tennisapolis, he is white about 6 feet,
self-claimed 3.5, first set, he was way too consistent for me even
though his serves are a lot weaker than mine, but his forehand
was so powerful with a lot of topspin, 2hbh is very consistent.
i tried to move up, if i was close to net, he would penetrate me,
if i stayed on the service line, my volley would not be |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 20 cool, please share ur experience how you improved ur BH to 4.5?
do u use SHBH or 2HBH? |
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 21 FH: Gonzo/Potro - consistently powerful, but on a threat level, I would not
rank them as high as Federer's or Sampras's forehand.
2HBH: Safin, hands down the best 2HBHer. Agassi is up there too.
1HBH: Guga
2HFH: Seles due to a lack of competition
Serve: As the entire serving package (i.e., 1st + 2nd serve), Sampras w/o a
doubt.
Net: McEnroe
Movement: Federer
Fighting spirit: Nadal/Hewitt/Chang
Intimidation: Federer/Lendl |
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 22 very true. sometimes when i'm running full speed to save a shot - i will
revert to 2hbh because i would not have enough time nor be in position to
properly set up a 1hbh.
At any level, the question really isn't which is "better", but which can YOU
execute better. There are always pros and cons to either style. Whether
it's good or not lies in your own execution.
I am painfully aware of my extremely weak 1hbh (played a tall black dude a
couple days ago and all he ever did the entire game was h |
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 23 I switched from 1HBH to 2HBH Jan last year.
I played with the following racquet with 1HBH:
Prince O3 red 105
Prince Speedport Tour 93
Wilson Kfactor 6.1 Tour 90
Wilson Kfactor Zero 118
It really does not matter which racquet you use but Kfactor 6.1 tour 90 has
the best slice. (If you can only slice no topspin, it is not a complete 1HBH
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s*********d
发帖数: 2406 | 24 实际上就是没有多练的结果
如果同partner商量一下，专门练习。我觉得
在3.5左右的级别里边肯定够用。
当然2hbh入门容易，要打的好 ，难，所以还是得专门练习。 |
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 25 This is Safin's paintjob of choice. And he had one of the best 2hbh in the
game... |
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 26 lol it's all relative...
if you want a good shbh for sure you need VERY good footwork - maybe even
more demanding than a dhbh because IMO margin of error for 1hbh is smaller.
If you just want a lazy swipe at the ball, of course you don't need to move
your feet as much since you can just extend your arm out longer with 1hbh.
So, it's all relative... You want a 1hbh like Gasquet or Guga? Work on
your footwork, A LOT. You want a 2hbh like Safin? Work on your footwork, A
LOT. You want a 1hbh li |
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 27 I don't know. All I know is if I'm not *precisely* in position to hit my
1hbh, maybe I will still "hit" the ball, but chances are the ball will go
all over the place.
So I wouldn't say that 1hbh is easier footwork wise. Maybe if your goal is
to simply TOUCH the ball lol Then yea, you can probably take half a step
less in order to hit a 1hbh. This has nothing to do with the level of
demand on your footwork.
Actually I can hit 2hbh as well - and honestly if I'm really in a pinch and
don't have |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 28 My goal is to hit the ball over the net and into the court, with
OK pace and depth. It's more or less a 3.0 goal, hehe.
So is it more appropriate to say for low end users, 1hbh seems
to have lower requirements on footwork than 2hbh?
is
and
can
a |
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 29 My 1hbh is strictly low end. cc has much higher end 1hbh, and certainly
footwork is very important.
1hbh requires possibly more prep time than 2hbh because it's a less compact
and more flowing motion. This translates into you have to have more precise
timing on your swing, which translates into you have to be in the right
position at the right time - i.e., footwork.
If your goal is simply block the ball back, then it really doesn't matter -
just hold the racket in front of you and run whereeve |
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 30 I found it awkward to hit 2hbh with open stance, maybe I just haven't
practiced at all. I was trying to hit with open stance when I was pulled out
of the court, but man, my center gravity was off all the time. |
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 31 It took me one and half year to get comfortable from 1HBH to 2HBH.... |
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 33 So sad...she could open a tennis school and be a coach...teaching 2hbh :D
All the best to Justine~ |
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 35 Very good vid. The footwork and body turning are very clearly explained.
Get those two right and the swing would be very natural. |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 36 An example for wrist lay back is the photo people taken from Indian Wells
practice below. 尤其是右手有一个往下弯手腕的动作。 This is the key to lower
racquet head, generate enough spin and generate enough racquet head speed. |
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 37 作这个动作的时候要小心，我以前双反作这种动作的时候，经常右手猛用力下撇，导致
左手腕被向后撇，会疼很久。。。要看左右手分别是怎么握的
lower |
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 38 还是要以左手为主导，右手搭在拍柄上就可以。你这是明显右手太用力了 |
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c****h
发帖数: 590 | 39 Agassi does not have this motion though...
lower |
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 40 Right, and Agassi is one of the best at hitting flat balls. It just shows
there's more than one way to hit a ball with power and consistency. That
said, the wristy swing is trendy for both forehand and backhand these days
for generating more spin. |
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c****h
发帖数: 590 | 41 Nalbandian, however, shows a huge racket dip that's more dramatic than the
girl above.
With two hands, there just seems to be more variation than the forehand. |
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 42 阿加西确实是old school了。幸好没人把麦肯罗、康纳斯的动作翻出来 |
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c****h
发帖数: 590 | 43 old school 比较保险吧，用手腕的像del potro, monfils都伤了。 |
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 45 我就往回甩的时候右手用力，向前挥就基本左手了啊
因为光靠左手能引拍的程度有限，而且一不小心就丢form，容易像老太太买菜。。
右臂向左夹紧引拍幅度最大 |
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 46 不错
现在的教练基本都是这样教双反的，拍头drop很多。去年那会我那教练要我把拍子降到
小腿那，当时我觉得挺奇怪的。 |
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O*********r
发帖数: 1835 | 48 Agassi 不能效法。原因如下：(All quotes)
"This top player boasts one of the most economical and effective backhands
in the game"
"In terms of technique, Agassi based his game on some of the simplest shots
in the book. He might appear easy to copy, but he possessed an unbelievable
ability to take the ball early ..."
结论：WSN 还是要用 top spin 才能控制好球。 |
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j**c
发帖数: 234 | 49 joker switched from 1hbh to 2hbh according to himself. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 50 Must be before age 7, since Youtube shows he trained with 2hbh
at age 7. |
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