h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 1 AK possible too but it won't call 3bet. TT/44 would likely bet or check
raise on turn. Qx would likely bet or check raise on turn as well.
So this really sounds like AK to me.. but to be safe call is fine. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 2 why 3bet to 45， 有啥特别理由么，我觉得可以多点，到60左右差不多
opens 12$ he has 200$
weak
also
7$ |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 3 昨天晚上rush吸走我166bb...AA shove K59 flop被K3 call...然后river 3...AA 3bet
，pot K23，shove 6结果对面拿出45...没地方说理了...所谓的rush"紧"就是这么紧法
啊... |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 4 “昨天晚上rush吸走我166bb...AA shove K59 flop被K3 call...然后river 3...AA
3bet
，pot K23，shove 6结果对面拿出45...没地方说理了...所谓的rush"紧"就是这么紧法
啊...”
赶紧 把他们mark上
still rush 不是一般得紧啊 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 5 I have two goals. 1) win WSOP package. It did not happen.
2) Win a MTT. I mean win it not just at final table. I had a few final
tables.
But either made mistakes or go for deal. Have not happened yet. But one
month
to try. Might MiniFTOP is place to go.
Last weekend, at one final table made silly mistake wtice. Call allin from
short stack TWICE. 1) raise 2.4BB at CO w/ A8s and call allin from SB (1/4
chip). SB had JJ and held. 2) SB limpin and BB/I raise to 3BB. SB allin (1/3
chip), I tank(I kno... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 6 mtt 达人 你开始转型了 呵呵
一个小建议 当你感觉别人3bet你的比例逐渐升高的时候 说明你在他们HUD里的数据已
经成形，可以考虑换个帐号 继续玩aggression
rush 普遍tight 短期aggressive绝对profitable |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 You are right.
Just have a crazy session. 15% 3bet%, which is higher than average player's
PFR. Plus, I have a super low Win at ShowDown rate, only 25%.
Need adjust now. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 8
既然hud已经成型了...选择时机4bet回去？我最近被人3bet头都大了，选了几次4bet/
flat然后
flop多数时候比较走运... |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 9 well, by 4bet I mean shove mostly...It's still possible if u completely
miss flop(no pair no draw) and check/fold? I know that sounds bad...
I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with this, feels like in rush
ppl 3bet me a LOT more than in FR...
air |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 Hero is 3bet bluffing preflop to represent an over pair.
On the flop, hero is bluffing again to represent an over pair.
On the turn, hero semibluffing, and represent an over pair.
On the river, hero knows that utg+2 does not have flush(because he has ace
spade in the hand, utg+2 is unlikely to chase a baby flush draw on the flop, Plus if utg
+2 indeed has the flush draw, he will repop on the turn, because he does not have the Ace of spade).
on the same time, hero knows utg+2 have one pair(, 88-... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 11 Several times, I 3bet KK In position, UTG+2 4bet. I suspect he has AA, and
flats. FLOP t82, I told me myself folding, but can not help doing sth stupid
, go allin.
But Late position's 4bet contains more AK.
bet |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 那也没用，今天preflop 3bet AA shove， 150bb， flop 77K |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 13 hehe.. interesting hand, because your image is tight and there were so many
players on the flop, it's just not going to be easy for you to get paid off
there. I think betting turn is fine, I would bet bigger actually, small bet
like that can almost never be a bluff, especially coming from a lady on the
table with tight image.
If you want to get paid off here with your set, it's not really about how
you play this particular hand, it's about how you need to adjust your image
and range. By the w... 阅读全帖 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 15 ok，那我给你再添加一份
今天他cut off AQo 3.5x
被人在sb， 3bet ， 他call， pot 24bb吧
flop好像是5h9sJc rainbow， sb bet 15 bb， 他raise到35bb， sb called，pot
92bb
turn Qh, sb check, 他 check
river，4h， sb check， 他bet 25bb， sb raise all in
他call。。。。。
sb 79h
over pair and call my 3X raise river over pair;
flat preflop button with AQ;
pair and check turn on K and call river half pot see me squeeze with K9s; |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 16 前几天去了一趟大西洋赌城(AC)， 这是美国东部的一个赌城，虽然是排全美第2的赌城
， 但比拉斯维加斯实在不是一个档次的。 这次去主要是跟另外一个论坛的一些朋友聚
一下。我们住在Borgata hotel， 是AC最好的赌场， 这里的poker room 是美国东部最
大的， 而且它跟其它赌场不是建在一起的，所以我们一群赌徒几天基本就没离开酒店。
凑巧的是我在一个桌子上打牌时还遇到一个北京来的年轻人， 现在住纽约，他告诉我
他主要是打现场比赛的，那天他刚在一个1k buyin的比赛里拿了第9. 不过他并不在
online打的，要不他应该可以和nicky 多交流交流。凑巧的是他的一个朋友是一天论坛
里的田品吕口，第二天他才知道我是fcf， 然后还专门跑来找我聊了聊。去赌场打牌说
实话对我来说没有太多吸引力，不过见见原来只在论坛上交流的朋友还是很好的。
到旅馆后，放下行李，因为还有些朋友要一起吃饭在路上，就跑去了楼下的扑克室打牌
，先是去了5/10的桌子看看， floor 把我带到了一个只有两个人的桌子，我一看高兴
了， 桌上人越少对我越有利， 那桌上的另外两个应该都是borgata 的... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 17 他3bet这么多有必要么？而且手上的筹码留得很尴尬。难道是一种展示pot committed
决心的bluff..
was not thinking of folding because that would be more stupid than being
short stack. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 18 今晚第二手就是AA 3x raise结果输给一个垃圾牌的顺子。后面拿到的KK/AA基本没人
call，决定limp了。。结果碰到下面这手。。
我4bet后，两人很快fold，说明SB is capable of squeeze而且对这种limpin-4bet非
常警惕的，我只是不知道他会不会fold KK。
如果我flat call 3bet，不知道MP2会不会call，而且我觉得SB也会很警惕，我的AA的
implied odds不会好，而他基本在暗处。
所以我觉得4bet还是可以的，或者说mix up吧，差不多50/50？
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1092118
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
UTG+1: $25.00
Hero (UTG+2): $55.91
MP1: $10.52
MP2: $35.84
CO: $44.86
BTN: $24.45
SB: ... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 19 your "vs 3bet call%" is more than 66%. is that normal at NL100? mine is just
26% over 3.5k hands... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 it's fine, unless you have solid reasons he could do the same with TT or AQ.
of
because |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 21 恩，今天也遇到一个亚洲帅哥，上来就狂raise，以为碰到个online pro，结果我一
3bet丫就fold
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 22 hmmm.
VPIP = 15% is not that loose, considering sometimes my 3bet percentage is 15
%. My vpip is around 28% in rush games, but I know it only works in NL25.
leaks
15 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 23 才玩了181手，拿了4个AA，两个基本没action，赢了一点点，另两个一个是QQ preflop
allin hit quads，另一个是preflop call 3bet hit set of K。。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 24 昨晚很多手pocket pairs，但AA被搞了两次，QQ/JJ什么的很多又在中间被迫fold，我
就决定分析一下pocket pair到底怎么回事。。
昨天一天（包括白天）一共1749手，按理说应该拿8手左右pocket AA或其他pair，结果：
AA：14手，总利润-$14，发现赢的基本都是0.35blinds，对手神了。有两次limpin也就
BB call，然后flop fold。
KK：8手，+$15.27
QQ: 12手，+$20.6
JJ：10手，-$0.3
TT：9手，-$5.45
99：14手，+$8.48
昨天3bet/4bet不多，特别是4bet，估计是AA bad beat让我对pocket pair更保守了。
==============================================
接着又统计了这几天：
non pocket pair: 10538手，盈利-$62.08，大概-2.35bb/100。
pocket pair：667手，盈利+$300.91，大概+180bb/100
pocket pair的possibility很接近理论值... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 25 but sometimes you have to "re-evaluate". when you checked the turn, you didn
't expect him to allin. you only expected to extract one value bet (so you'
ll raise the river and he will likely to fold).
One tell is that he often allin bluffs on river. that's why calling him may
not be bad. Don't put him on a Q. He wants a call if he has a Q so allin is
unlikely. He may have a pocket pair and 99 is not that bad because he didn't
3bet preflop. Or he just has an A high.
call and win may have another ... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 26 SB这人的数据是10/8/5.6，一共210手历史。5.6%的3bet偏高，但有可能是统计误差，
另外第三个玩家的存在让事情有点复杂。
假设第三个人不存在，再假设5.6%的数据精确，你们一般会不会在这里4bet？5.6%的
range包括了88+, ATs+，AJo+，还是很广的，我手里又有两张blocker。
不过对方非常短筹，感觉有好牌的几率倒是加大了。可能EV上来说稍正（如果还有fold
equity的话）。
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1109103
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $23.70
SB: $12.39
BB: $8.54
UTG: $10.00
Hero (UTG+1): $49.65
UTG+2: $50.77
MP1: $25.83
MP2: $33.30
CO: $32.11
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UT... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 27 i guess we shouldn't worry about the limp guy too much. It's really rare
that he has a monster while SB 3bets and I'm holding one A and one K.
I like to see flop with tight players. Although they won't pay off big, the
success rate of bluff is pretty high. The best flop is one high card two low
cards, or some draw heavy texture. I don't like all low cards because they
often have a pocket pair and could call my cbet. Perhaps I need to fire more
on turn/river..
...
show up with AQ- JJ- |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 28 你不看3bet相关的？
好像有人说AF不是很准确，要看aggression percentage，包括所有街的。
还有各个位置的pre flop raise等数据也挺有用的，但问题是想看的太多了，最后忙不
过来。
rush里的一个tell是：总是花一点时间才fold的，应该是看HUD的，但这个不是很好
exploit，只是给你提个醒而已，有时候可以根据自己的stat来play back。
some |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 29 two hands i saw from weekends live game @ PARX 2/5 table.
hand 1:
mp raised to $20, btn 3bet $120, i fold, sb was a tight old man, he really
worried but cold called the 3-bet.
went back to mp, he instantly shoved remaing $400, btn thought out loud and
folded. Now old man is really worried. from his reaction everyone in the
world know what he had and what he was afraid of. he asked mp:' u have AAs?'
no response from mp. old man didn't give up ' would u show me one card'
to everyone's surprise, m... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 30 这个牌我只想对CO表示一下同情，preflop raise不小，结果一大堆call的而且没人
3bet，否则他fold或接着4bet的可能性很大，损失会小很多。。
等到了flop，大家当然check到他，他也按江湖规矩bet，可惜牌强了点，几乎bet pot
，接下来不但被min-raise调戏，还一堆call的乃至于allin的，让CO在fold后对人生的
意义产生了严重的怀疑。
folded...I think he would have won the pot~~~ |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 31 说到mis click，我两次本来要raise偷盲，结果因为hud，没注意到已经有人raise了，
结果变成了min-raise的3bet，但两次别人都fold了。。so weird.. |
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S*********e
发帖数: 865 | 32 全是3bet ，4bet all in，crazy！ |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 33 哪有那么多。你打的比我猛多了
再说short handed，3bet稍微比full ring多一点也正常。 |
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S*********e
发帖数: 865 | 34 我哪有你猛。你是sb，bb必3bet。
搞得我后来只能flat call btn了 |
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S*********e
发帖数: 865 | 35 lots of bluff， a lot of 3bet，4bet all in。
cmis把一个打得去打赛车游戏，一个sitting out。
哈哈，大家都很agg，swing有点大，下次搞小点。0.05/0.1
先贴几张图，参与的可以贴贴关键战斗的hand hisotry。 |
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r******h
发帖数: 99 | 36 I only felt good for a very short while. Two hands later, I lost most of my
chips.
Preflop:
MP miniraised to 40, BTN called 40, BB (me QcTs) called. I called because
MP has miniraised couple times and BTN is a (65/35) fish.
Flop: 4h9s9c Pot130
I don't think the board helped anyone. So I decided to pull out a tricky
play to steal the pot. Unfortunately it got too tricky and killed myself.
Let me try to explain what I did and what I was thinking.
First, I miniraised to see what happens. If... 阅读全帖 |
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r******h
发帖数: 99 | 37 Not much later, a tragedy happened on the other $11 table I was playing at
the same time. I was looking at the $20 table and writing my post. I
totally lost my attention on that $11 table. After I (99 BB) happily
preflop 3-bet shove the "donk/fish"(SB) on my right, I was surprised that he
called. Then I realized it wasn't the donk/fish I remember. The fish was
long gone and on the seat is a very tight regular. He showed AA.
Now I am in my tilt mood.
Coming back to the $20 table, with my l... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 yes, most likely, after two checks on turn and river. i don't put him on AA
though, but river bet should still be bigger.
a problematic hand for review, weakish after he calls my flop 3bet, and lose
plans for turn/river. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 "a problematic hand for review, weakish after he calls my flop 3bet.
i admit i'm surprised with his call though, and that leads to my
inconsiderate turn and river plays.
my $13 3-bet is designed for him to fold"
This is where the flaw of your logic is. you bet for him to fold a worse hand? and when he calls you feel behind? This is very bad play at any level. You bet to let weak hand call and make better hand to fold. It achieves neither here because your value range is so thin KQ QJ. In a w... 阅读全帖 |
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s********0
发帖数: 4 | 40 call, river complete，flush check/call or bet/fold,K fullhouse bet/call,
incomplete,check/fold,villian能赢你的range中有一些top range，所以villian的
3bet range很重要，vpip也是一个衡量标准，还有fold to cbet，agg也能看看不过不
太重要，这几个数据可以用来衡量下villian的range，数据不极端的话一般call都是可
以的，我觉得一般pro来玩这种low stake打法都比较standard |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 42 aren't they the same, if effective stack deep enough? when rebuy is over or
starting levels of super stack tourney. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 43 我是bb， aks（club）， pot size reraise to button 3.5x steal，others fold
we both 100bb
flop spade－9 spade－j diamond－k (pot around 13.5bb)
i 10bb bet, and 丫 mini raised me, I shove, he snap call.
his stats is quite common 25/18 偏凶, my image is broken, but with low 3bet
pf rate （5%， really low？）
不确定自己该怎么办 求分析 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 44 有个办法，你3bet大一点， 如果effective stack 100bb，你bet 20bb，他call你的话
就是 40+ bb pot，flop 直接shove，省心 |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 45 哇，这么窄的range？被call或raise之后不comfortable的原因可能是你想起手牌很好
，理所应当take down every 3 bet pot。静下心来想他对手为什么会call，他如何
interpret你的3bet等等，该fold的时候fold。poker永远都是在风险中求生存，他的
call是好事，要不然都fold，你也赢不到什么大钱。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 46 Basically, your play is kind of too passive.
You do not protect your hand well, plus you do not manipulate the pot size
well, if you think you have the best hand, you should manage to put an allin
bet on the river.
You get a lot of suck out. ------ One good comment is said by DUCKU. I
usually play very aggressively, and do not let opponent drawing cheaply, and
do not see showdown, it greatly lowers the suckouts.
Your first hand QQ should definitely to commit on the turn. Even you can put
a small... 阅读全帖 |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 47 hehe.. u'r such a luckbox
i remember 1 match against someone who likes to steal, first hand he donk
bet/3bet/fold to my 4bet on flop 772ss (2 spades), I had AQss
then few hands later, he limp his btn, flop was K high with 3 spades, then
turn was a blank, I donk pot, he calls, river another blank, I have nothing
and he can't really have a strong hand here ever, so I donk 2x pot and he
folds
then 2 hands later, he min raise and I call, flop J 7 2, check check, turn 2
, check check, river 8, I had ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 48
(
迷惘了。。。
pf: 20/16 正负1
大多数情况下
77+ pfr in position or limp/cold call
22～66 limp or cold call(sometimes)
small SC(67~TJ) pfr to steal or fold（mostly） or cold call/limp(rarely)
Axs、JQs+、KJs+ pfr to steal and fold in rest cases
pf 3bet range:
jj+、AQs+（mostly fold to 4bet）、AKo
4bet range：QQ+ and some AKo oop
flop cbet > 2/3 if heads up, slightly > 1/3 if more ppl in
turn：honest in most cases
river： want to show down 25%， won money at show down 45%
对数据显示比较紧的 可能稍许多点2nd barrel和pf steal 但是fold to rerais... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 49 6max里面一个3bet情况：
无论你什么位置都20% 3-bet率的疯子，4-bet回去他会70-80% 5-bet的人
怎么办？
tight your open range or 4-bet even lighter?
co,
for
means
have |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 50 yeah, I checked my Holdem mananger, I almost never play any all in pot
with him although we play so many hands at same table. Guess he tried to
avoid me since he thinks I am a super nit. :)
I caught a sick good run in Electro, up almost 20 buyin in 3 days. My
stat is super nitty(11/8) , but when I 3bet/4bet, lots of reg still keep
shoving on my AA/KK with AK, QQ. Really do not think all reg pay attention
to these stats.
I
many |
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