m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 1 我不看四家牌， 只能这样打。 CA然后再送C。 这样只要东有1张C就还可以？ 我这
个肯定有问题， 但是我的水平连问题在哪里都看不出来。 无论如何， 5h这样打最多
下一把？ |
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C*****9
发帖数: 147 | 2 主流意见(Pass 5C)可以给直接在计分表上写+400。如果你认为5C是Exclusive RKC1430
(0 C)，叫了5H，考验来了:
同伴持: JTxxx AQx A KQxx
对着你: K JT9xxx x JTxxxx
首攻Dx。
重点是如何打，不仅是打哪张牌。打完后再回头讨论叫牌。 |
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C*****9
发帖数: 147 | 3 You hit home run. 5C是最佳定约，你小赢10imp。而且回头打5H，你DA后一顿长考，
又把敌人打晕，现在还没醒呢，打911? |
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p*********6
发帖数: 679 | 4 在JEC赛，Antonio SEMENTA坐北主打这副6h（kib大伙当时对坐庄/防守都有些质疑）。
W N E S
p 1h 2h 4h
4nt 5c 5d 5h
p 6h p p
p
A
AKQ65
754
AK76
K86432
J932
void
J84
E首攻 dJ。
怎么打？你准备拿什么12墩？ |
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j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 5 It looks like E is either 5152 or 5251.
In case of 5152, I like your route.
In case of 5251, there is another route: hoping to get 2S, 5H, 2 D ruffs and
3+ clubs. So you ruff the first trick, play SA, ruff another D, run CJ...
you only lose when E has single CQ.
Suppose RHO covers, you win, play HA and Hx to HJ, cash SK to pitch D, and
then run C8. |
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o*******n
发帖数: 6500 | 6 今天打意大利打得不错
就是有一副亏大发了的牌
连老板(W)
S: K98xxx
H: VOID
D: AQJT
C: Q63
施豪军(E)
S: QTx
H: KJ
D: 87
C: KT87xx
E dealer, NS VUL
N E S W
- 1H 1S
2H 2S X 4S
5H - - 5S
- - x //
谁来点评一下这个叫牌 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 7 It is usually a good idea to bid 4D instead of 4S to show a very important
side suit. Later, you can easily pass 5H to defend. 4S should show a one
suiter usually. |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 9 I saw the hand. Actually after 4D and later 5H, east can probably double it
.
Now this 4S bid doesn't mean much, just an offensive oriented hand. So the
key is still to bid 4D instead of 4S. Even a very zhengzhi 3D should work. |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 10 He had something like Jx T9xxx Kxxx Jx. The point here is that 4S doesn't
show much of a hand, so it's relatively easy to bid 5H over 4S, which is
very difficult to get penalized, especially for somebody like the Italian
guys, who don't have a crazy bidder image. Also when white vs. red, opps
often like to take some insurance to bid 5S back.
If you think deep, you would really appreciate such kind of bids. This kind
of bids actually happen everyday at the table. I remember once Weishu
confident... 阅读全帖 |
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a****s
发帖数: 524 | 11
J963
AJ6
8
AKQ76
AKQT54
42
AJ
T95
刘京 李杰
- 2C - 2D
(2H) 2S - 3H
- 3N - 4S
- 4N - 5D
- 5S - ?
3H不可能是寻求3NT，否则无法解释2D.
所以3H表示比叫4S更好的牌。
因此3NT不是自然叫， 应该是serious满贯兴趣，
看刘京的牌， 基本上是纯粹的高限，3NT应该不错。
李杰4S至少少叫了一墩牌：比较一下这3手牌，就知道区别了：
1. S AKQx H xx D Axxx C xxx
2. S AKQxx H xx D Axx C xxx
3. S AKQxxx H xx D Ax C xxx
在同伴2S之后：
牌1. 4S， 牌2. 扣3H，再4S。 牌3. 扣3H， 再扣4D。
尤其是在同伴3NT响应之后，没有任何理由不主动进满贯，
4D，同伴4H，下面RKCB，接着5NT，刘京CAKQxx，当然7S。
不管后面他们后面发生了什么误会，就整个叫牌进程而言，李杰
的责任大。第一，明显低叫了，第二，同伴不知道他有几张黑桃，
自己... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 12 This Italian team isn't very strong in my observation. Still, China's team
made quite a few low level mistakes, like that 5H sac over 4S, which cost
them a lot of IMPs, because 4S has no play after normal defense. It appears
that Chinese players gave Italian guys too much credit in their high level
decisions, which is rather bad IMO.
Even if this Italian team wins this match, I don't really think they are the
favorite to win the whole thing. |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 13 Without gadget, you can just bid 4H to splinter, that's the price you want
to pay for not playing a good system.
1D 1S
2D 4H
4N 5H
5N 7D
Later, you still can find 7D.
If you don't play any types of splinter, then you can just bid 4D and hope
for the best. |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 14 旁边帖子里,
1D-1S; 2D-3H; 4H
是普通扣叫还是 kickback 误会了, 我也说一个.
初次合作的pd,
KQ10xx
AQx
xx
Kxx
双无, 第一家开叫1S,
1S-(2H)-3H-pass
3NT-(4D)-5H-(6H)
?
怎么叫? |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 15 我H 废点很多, D 无控, X 了. pd 叫了6S.
KQ10xx A9876
AQx void
xx Kxx
Kxx AQ9xx
这个5H 误会了, pd 说本意是 ERKC, 我以为是扣叫. 满拧.
只能说是个误会了.
kickback, ERKC 这些, 我以为还是要是先讲好才可以用,
而且要特别讲好什么情况下不是问叫 (实叫,扣叫). |
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l****a
发帖数: 272 | 16 我也是想问, 为什么不直接5H, 那样肯定没误会.
但是, 第一次合作, 不能要求太高, 对pd, 对自己, 都宽容些吧.
pd叫6S的判断力很好, 首攻DA, 然后我就claim 了.
其实我想说的是, 装置太多, 也麻烦. 最后可能还是靠临场感觉.
约定叫误会问题, 是叫牌里面一类常见而又严重的问题, kickback 经常踢错. |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 17 I post the question here because I want to trigger more discussion. To me,
either 3H or 4H is reasonable, with slight inclination toward 4H since my
hand can be quite worse. At bridge table, there is no absolute right or
wrong, only winning or losing.
Actually I am more interested in how and why. I never dismissed your
reasoning for 3H call, in fact I bid 3H only at the table, for very similar
reasons. I think there is good reason for 3H, and also good reason for 4H.
3H is slight underbid, 4H is... 阅读全帖 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 18 西家前一轮不直接叫4S，是希望打 3SX 定约？
不能肯定直接4S之后会怎么样，但对方打未加倍的5H，肯定不如现在这么容易吧．．． |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 19 Declarer shows 5-5 in H/D.
Partner shows 6 clubs(because the second C shows the count and declarer is
unlikely to hold 3 small clubs).
Also, partner didn't pitch S, so he's likely to hold SK.
So the shape is clear now, declarer holds 2-5-5-1 shape. Suppose declarer
holds: xx KQJTx AJxxx x
you need to lead trumps now. Later, partner can overruff dummy and play
another H to defeat it.if you play C, declarer can ruff D with HA, ruff C,
ruff D with H8, partner can overruff, and play H. declarer can ... 阅读全帖 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 20 IMP双有，你坐南开叫，最后主打6S定约。
543
875
754
AKJ3
AQJ976
AQJ
AK
87
叫牌过程：
S W N E
2C P 2D P
2S P 3S P
4D P 5C P
5H P 6C P
6S AP
西家首攻C2，你准备怎么打？ |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 21 无论如何，1980年那副牌已经成为永远的经典。时间回到2012年的费城北美大赛，你的
首攻仍将决定冠军的归属。
IMP，局况有对无。你仍坐东，拿到：98 / T4 / AJ54 / AQJT3
仍然是同伴发牌，叫牌过程稍有不同：
W N E S
P 1H 2C 3C
4C 4D P 4S
X XX P 5C
P 5D P 5H
P 5NT P 7H
AP
3C = 红心加叫，limit raise or better
XX = 黑桃首轮控制
仍然轮到你首攻，你攻哪张牌？ |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 22 Good players try to accurately describe their hands early. If South holds x
/ Kxxxx / KQxxxxx / --, I would expect a bid other than 3C. He will also not
settle for 5H. |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 23 Here, if you don't play fit showing jumps, 3C is very acceptable.
5H is not absurd either if his partner shows a D void. His partner may still
hold something like: AQxx xxxxx - AKxx, in which case, 6H doesn't have to
be very good.
This 1-5-7-0 hand is almost the minimum requirement to bid beyond 4H. Of
course, if you don't like it, you can change HK to HQ.
Another hand is 1-5-6-1 shape, in which case, you want to cash CA. Still, 5C
should show CA or void for sound players.
x
not |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 24 No good player will bid a non-descriptive 3C here. At least should bid 4C
splinter. So there is negative inference that South wouldn't have void in
clubs. Also, with 1570 shape, 5H is timid, to say the least. Opponents bid
and raised clubs to 4-level vulnerable, so at least percentage-wise, I won't
play for partner to have AK in clubs. In addition, holding AQxx / xxxxx / -
- / AKxx, partner should be very discouraged after 5C bid (also bad heart
suit is a concern), so he will not bid 5D. |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 25 最近积累了一些BBO上看到的牌例。很多时候桌上四个人的self-rating都是“专家”。
虽说这种段位都只是自封的，但起码这些人都自认为比较会玩，而其中的一些错误或问
题在BBO上较为常见，我想也是有一定普遍意义的。拿出来分享一下，希望大家能在娱
乐中得到提高。
你坐东，手持：K6 / AKT93 / QJT9 / 52
北家发牌并开叫，过程如下：
N E S W
1C 1H 1S 3H
P P 4H P
4S P 4NT P
5H X 6S P
P X AP
叫牌其实存在着各种问题，不过现在先讨论防守。同伴首攻H5，明手摊下：
AT4
QJ
643
AJT98
你出HK，满以为定约至少宕一。不料庄家将吃了这一墩，然后手里出SQ，同伴跟了S3，
明手放小。你打算怎样防守？ |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 26 最近积累了一些BBO上看到的牌例。很多时候桌上四个人的self-rating都是“专家”。
虽说这种段位都只是自封的，但起码这些人都自认为比较会玩，而其中的一些错误或问
题在BBO上较为常见，我想也是有一定普遍意义的。拿出来分享一下，希望大家能在娱
乐中得到提高。
你坐东，手持：K6 / AKT93 / QJT9 / 52
IMP，东西有局。北家发牌并开叫，过程如下：
N E S W
1C 1H 1S 3H
P P 4H P
4S P 4NT P
5H X 6S P
P X AP
叫牌其实存在着各种问题，不过现在先讨论防守。同伴首攻H5，明手摊下：
AT4
QJ
643
AJT98
你出HK，满以为定约至少宕一。不料庄家将吃了这一墩，然后手里出SQ，同伴跟了S3，
明手放小。你打算怎样防守？ |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 27 其实在有对无的局况下，我觉得西家的3H叫得还是不错的。在这种局况下，叫4H经常是
使对方没有选择只能加倍，而西家牌型较为平均，4HX未必是个好的牺牲。3H剥夺了对
方较大的空间，已为其信息交流制造了足够的障碍。
作为南家，首先4NT是个糟糕的叫品，无法判断同伴的关键张是否长在红心上面。鉴于
叫牌空间的问题，要把牌完全叫清楚已经不太可能，我会考虑直接叫5NT，让同伴在梅
花和黑桃中选。我想这个叫品基本上应该暗示五张黑桃及四张梅花。5H也是一个可选的
叫品，但可能会被当成对于黑桃的排除性关键张问叫，容易产生歧义。 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 28 1D 2S
3S 4H(shortness, D fit)
4N(two suit RKC) 5C(4 KC)
5D(Q?) 5H(No Q)
5N(K?) 6C(CK)
7D |
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p******e
发帖数: 1151 | 29 My choices:
1. Pass, almost always. 3H is much better than 4C; you could lose a
possible 4H or 3NT by pass. But if you believe statistics, then pass should
be better than 3H in the sense of statistic rules: suppose you play for a
long time, pass will gain benefit. But if you want to try something
different at a particular day, or you just have that mood or feeling that
day, I agree 3H is the only choice other pass. But I will pass always unless
there is a particular reason.
2. Pass. 4S looks ho... 阅读全帖 |
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p******e
发帖数: 1151 | 30 It is a complicated question. I do not really think thoroughly.
1. What I said about 5D should apply to this sequence (or similar situation
, 5level new suit should mean things like that, under a competitive
situation. In particular, you want to know the support and key card).
1H 3S 4C 4H
5D
Here 5D means slam interest and D suit, 6-5. (in the example you mentioned,
5D is particularly important since having DK or not makes a huge difference.
And you also have a somehow safe house 5H).
2. If a h... 阅读全帖 |
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p******e
发帖数: 1151 | 31 The analysis on forcing pass sounds good in general. I will take a look of
forcing pass on high levels.
1. This kind of hand looks suspicious though.
--/KQXXX/KQXXXX/XX
It could be double game swing and you definitely have zero interest to
defend 4s. But clearly this is not the final call (you have plenty time to
express your will not defending 4s, just want to seek a possible game at 5
level). As a comparison however, an accurate slam bid at high level is
really crucial for many cases.
I am not... 阅读全帖 |
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c***c
发帖数: 6234 | 32 很好的例子。
4nt什么意思？
当然同伴不能pass是肯定的。但同伴叫了5C你打算叫5H？
开交1C红桃至少两张，很可能是3张，同伴两张怎么办？ |
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i****e
发帖数: 642 | 33 Personally I don't like this kind of topic, since there is almost no correct
answer :)
For this one, Pass/Double/5H/5S can be right. 5NT/6D can also be the choices
if one is a little crazy. If north has something like
KQx
AKxx
xxx
Axx
slam is very good. But for most cases, 5 level may be too high. And even not
, at this case, it seems no way to ask pd to pick a major at 5.
At table, I would double. Pd will pass 99.99% of time, but if he pulls out,
I will be happy. |
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v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 34 IMP with such vul, have to bid something, probably 5H/5S;
opp did a very good job by bidding 5D. |
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i****e
发帖数: 642 | 35 That sounds a good approach, with the help of some gadgets.
The design after RKC doesn't sound very normal to me in terms of captainship
. The responder here is captain, but after RKC, he starts to describe his
holding, rather than keeps asking.
1H 1S
2D 3H
3S 4C
4D 4S
4NT ?
5C ask HQ
5H sign off
5D/5NT show D/S queen according to the design at this sequence. Could it be
designed as asking rather than showing? Apparently, this will also change
the meaning of 5S.
knows
standard |
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i****e
发帖数: 642 | 36 That sounds a good approach, with the help of some gadgets.
The design after RKC doesn't sound very normal to me in terms of captainship
. The responder here is captain, but after RKC, he starts to describe his
holding, rather than keeps asking.
1H 1S
2D 3H
3S 4C
4D 4S
4NT ?
5C ask HQ
5H sign off
5D/5NT show D/S queen according to the design at this sequence. Could it be
designed as asking rather than showing? Apparently, this will also change
the meaning of 5S.
knows
standard |
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i****e
发帖数: 642 | 37 Double should lead to positive score, but if you can make 5D or 5H, the
score from penalty is likely not enough. But I admit I would double too.
The world star bid 5D! LHO immediately bid 6C, taking the advantage of
favorable vulnerability. Now partner's double ended the auction.
What do you lead against 6C doubled? |
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v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 38 4C is very greedy, if 2NT guarantee a balance hand.
5H is usually not good in such vul.
Force pass is better than 6S.
The lead is also abnormal.
Everyone wants to do something special at this table. |
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j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 39 We already have 5H 1D 1C for 7 tricks, so we should aim for 5 trump tricks.
So when trump is 4-1, the plan is to ruff D twice, but to maintain control,
we'd better concede a trump first:
DA, ruff, concede a trump.
Now we should be in good shape to ruff another D, clear trumps, and play H. |
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i****e
发帖数: 642 | 40 How will you bid the hand in your system?
At one table, west opened 1NT (normal upgrade). East transferred to H, then
asked key cards, and bid 6H.
North was on lead, holding:
A765
xxx
x
Jxxxx
He led SA, and continued S, with south following 2 and T!
Declarer tried to cash DAK, and got ruffed.
At the other table, west opened 1D:
1D 1H
1S 2C
2D 3H
4C 4NT
5H 6H
South led normal, but unlucky, SJ. North won SA, and returned S. Declarer
took some precaution by cashing HK. Then two rounds of D, go... 阅读全帖 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 41 I routinely open 1NT with good 14, but on this hand I would open 1D, since
this hand is more suit-oriented, and I have 4 spades. Bidding would go: 1D-
1H-1S-2C-2D-2H-3H-3S-3NT-4H
2C is normal 4th suit gf, 2H tends to show 6+ hearts, 3NT is "non-serious"
showing a hand that doesn't have slam interest on its own but willing to
cooperate if partner does. Next bid from East can be controversial. Slam has
decent chance if West has SA/HA/DK/CK, but 5-level can go down with just DK
replaced by DQ and s... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 42 West
Q984
A8
KJT73
A2
East
K3
KQJT94
A4
QT7
1D 1H
1S(usually at least 4-5 in S and D with a few exceptions) 2H(gf, natural)
2N(natural) 3H(6+H)
4C(cue bid, agreeing H) 4D(cuebid)
4H (sign off) 4N(cuebid in S, not good enough to RKC)
5D(DK) 5H(sign off, may have some problems in C)
6H or pass both are fine here |
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p******e
发帖数: 1151 | 43 很平常的牌
你做东， 局况双无， 拿的牌如下：
S： 43
H： K9642
D：AQ3
C：A84
同伴开叫1H， 你右手（北）阻击2S
轮到你教牌， 你叫什么？
－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－
最后的定约是5H（防守方阻击到4S之后叫到的）摊牌之后你看到同伴的牌：
S：AK
H：AQJ83
D：T763
C：53
这是个不错的定约。但是同伴做庄，你闲着没事， 会想到怎么的做庄路线呢？
－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－ |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 44 叫牌基本上从3S起步吧。其实双无的局况，双方都没有黑桃单缺，黑桃上又有大牌AK，
感觉上应该要防守，不知道如何叫到的5H。叫牌过程怎样的呢？也许可以帮助判断牌型
牌力分布。
再没看到叫牌之前，我想总体打牌思路是这样的：清将，假设将牌不是3-0，兑现SAK，
送梅花，将吃梅花，然后手里D10。如果左手扑DJ，那么我DA，回手再朝明手出方块。 |
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i****e
发帖数: 642 | 45 Continuing club is passive defense.
Switching D (even without cough:) should be reasonable. It only fails if
declarer holds
Kxxx
AQJxx
KJx
x
which is less likely given pd's double with less HCPs and declarer's 5H bid.
Something like following is more likely, which requires D switch:
KJTx
AQJxxx
xx
x |
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i****e
发帖数: 642 | 46 Team, white vs red
J952
-
AQJT54
Q63
A83
3
K98632
AJ9
RHO YOU LHO CHO
P 1D 1H 3H
4D 5D 5H P
P 6D all pass
Lead is HA. Apparently 6D is too high. You will need CKT on side, and you
still need to figure out a way to play spade. |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 47 双人赛，双有，你拿到：Q2 / AKT9765 / 2 / T93
你开叫3H，叫牌过程如下：
S W N E
3H 3S 4H 4S
P P 5H AP
9
Q83
AQJT864
KQ
Q2
AKT9765
2
T93
对方打标准信号。西家首攻SA（东家跟S7），西家又兑现了CA，然后继续梅花把你定在
明手（东家跟C6，C2）。现在你怎么打？ |
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i****e
发帖数: 642 | 48 5H
Another option is forcing pass if applicable. |
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i****e
发帖数: 642 | 49 5H
Another option is forcing pass if applicable. |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 50 4D其实也没透露太多信息，只是说红心配合，基本上是凭实力进局的牌，4H不是阻击叫
。跟方块控制无关。好处是建立了forcing pass，你拿这个牌可以非常舒服地pass。
实际的牌，是有些两难。综合各种考虑，可能还是PASS为好，但我觉得同伴可以做得更
好。而且你如果不能pass in tempo，同伴叫了5H还可能让人叫裁判。 |
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