w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 1 I was reading runner's world while doing my long run on the treadmill today.
Alberto Salazar's runners each have a key word for the big races. When they
are exhausted, on the verge of collapsing, they would repeat this word to
themselves, and hold on to it. So I figured that I need a magic word too.
The first one that came to mind is "burn". It sounds pretty good for now.
What is your key word? |
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 2 所以我知道他心脏病。。觉得很shock.
in
and
Mass
read |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 3 No doubt that the body will break down when the mileage is high enough. I'm
not just speaking of running
injuries, but the weakening of the immune system. This has happened to the
great Alberto Salazar -- his
immune system began to break down when he trained at 200 mpw -- not a good
idea. Last year I often catch
cold when I was running at 50+mpw. This year, after a couple 70+ weeks in my
ultra training, I feel that I can
handle the mileage much better. The recent couple 50-mile weeks didn't fee |
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f*******g
发帖数: 3304 | 5 前天跑了10MILE 就歇菜了 一个多小时
跑的时候想到你一周14小时 一天2小时 俺怎么也做不到 算是村里的 ALBERTO
SALAZAR 了 以前看到 开练 同学做过 后来CRUSH 了 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 6 In the famous "duel in the sun", Alberto Salazar won boston marathon without
drinking any water. He was
hospitalized afterwards and given 6 liters of water intravenously.
run |
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发帖数: 4651 | 7 That is exactly the point. My guess is that this makes you better prepared
for longer runs in hot and humid condictions, so you know how much you need
to replenish.
It's understandable that some of us have a great sense of it without
actually measure it (like whx), some others (like me) miss the target by
pure "feeling", and would benefit from a more scientific measurement.
I'd think Alberto Salazar was an extreme case, he was lucky to be alive.
certainly don't try this at home :) |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 8 Good books are like good coaches. Sometimes you need someone to tell you the
limits of your body, when it's time to stop or not train too hard. Some
other times, you need someone to tell you that there is no limit in what you
can do -- you thought that was hard? maybe it wasn't hard enough. When Kara
Goucher thought she was running real hard, Alberto Salazar told her that it
was easy. In AM, Pete Pfitzinger tells you how he recovered from feeling
like crap halfway through a marathon race, and th |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 9 sure. 2 minutes is huge at the elite level. even alberto salazar says that
there are far more talents in distance running in east africa than in the
western countries, and so while the kenyan and ethiopian runners simply
train as hard as they can and the strongest survive, in the US they have to
protect and grow the elite runners with smart training and all the
technology available. |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 10 This is a guy who has set the American record in 5000m and is the second fastest American in the half marathon. But even he needed to work on his form in order to do well in the marathon, and on the way of moving to forefoot strike he experienced some setbacks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/sports/17runner.html
"Salazar thinks that form is as important for distance runners as for
sprinters. He changed Ritzenhein’s posture and stride, admonishing him to
hold his arms higher, to bend less at t... 阅读全帖 |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 11 it seems pretty risky to alter one's foot strikes.
fastest American in the half marathon. But even he needed to work on his
form in order to do well in the marathon, and on the way of moving to
forefoot strike he experienced som
efficient |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 12 Alberto Salazar once thought that the more he trains the faster he will be.
He went up to 220 miles per week.
The result was that he became sick very often and his body became so weak to
the point that he could hardly
jog. That was also when his career went downhill after winning Boston
marathon ("duel in the sun"). It is not
uncommon for elite ultramarathoners to do 200 miles per week, but is very
rarely for marathoners. Usually
160 mpw is considered the upper limit, even for elite athletes, to... 阅读全帖 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 13 Very interesting. Time to pump up the arms and run harder speed works!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/david_epstein/11/05/Alberto.Salazar/
SI: In running terms, it seemed like Dathan dropped from 13:16.06 in the 5k
to 12:56.27 almost overnight when he came to you. What could change that
quickly?
Salazar: Two things, really simple. One, in terms of form and biomechanics,
just changing his arms. Did nothing with his legs. Dathan was running with
his arms down here [by his waist]. Yo... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 829 | 14 Too many new things from Alberto in these days. I tried "slap the ground "3 days ago,and felt I was in another level. I add "-70 degree"arm today and I am faster to sub7'pace in 15 miler. I will digest them with several hundred miles . |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 15 A really weird thing about the marathon is that today's marathoners (elites)
are not much faster (nor better) than back in 1980. While it's true that
Kenyans and Ethiopians now routinely run 2:05, they are done on flat courses
, not Boston or NYC. When Alberto Salazar set the then world record of 2:08,
it was on the NYC course. His time would still win NYC marathon today. Bill
Rodgers carb loaded on junk food and ran 2:09 in Boston. He wrote GBTC (
greater boston track club) by hand on his race ... 阅读全帖 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 16 some funny comments on letsrun.com about Bekele's recent injury:
Chairman Wow wrote:
[quote]middle professor wrote:
[quote]I like to run wrote:
[quote]T. Rawling wrote:
How can someone with a perfect stride get injured? He should have a long,
injury-free career, according to
Salazar.
Ha. I was thinking the exact same thing.[/quote]
Ditto.[/quote]
Maybe Bekele tried to change his stride too and it didn't work out.[/quote]
Yes, Bekele's coach was trying to get him to change his stride to look more... 阅读全帖 |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 17 据说alberto salazar当年也是这样的，都不用热身，直接一上来就跑interval。
tempo |
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w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 18 这次NYC Half 男子第一，第三，女子第三都是他的弟子，才发现。
也许Ryan Hall 应该另投师门啊
女子第一名居然和Wanjiru是校友，在日本这次的地震中心上过学。 |
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w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 19 interesting, but I heard that he has health problem now |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 20 Nike Oregon Project还有Chris Solinsky(10k NR holder), Alan Webb(mile NR
holder)
和Shalane Flanagan(10k NR holder, NYCM 2010 2nd, World XC 2011 3rd) |
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w*****h
发帖数: 1770 | 21 Oregon TC的racing shirt很给力。
Shalane Flanagan took the individual bronze medal in the senior women's 8 km
to lead the US women to their second consecutive team bronze medal at the
IAAF World Cross Country Championships Saturday in Punta Umbria, Spain. |
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 22 Falmouth road race is the largest event in town. It is on August 14 this
year. |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 23 Dick Beardsley recounts his famous race against Alberto Salazar at the 1982
Boston Marathon. |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 24 "Squires knows something," Rodgers says. "I can't quite put my finger on
it. I don't think anybody can. But Squires got Dick Beardsley, a guy
who nobody knew in high school, to take Salazar to near expiration. On a
hot day almost 30 years ago, Dick Beardsley ran Boston almost as fast
as Ryan Hall did last year. It's something to think about."
Dick Beardsley也很了不起:
Beardsley ran his first marathon in 2:47:14 at the 1977 Paavo Nurmi
Marathon in Hurley, Wisconsin. In subsequent marathons, he steadil... 阅读全帖 |
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g*2
发帖数: 658 | 25 谢谢，对俺这个layman,长了不少见识。但不知到为什么Dick Beardsley的wiki里压根
没有提到 Bill Squires？
而Bill Squires的wiki倒有提：
William Squires is an American Track & Field Coach. He is well known for
coaching the Greater Boston Track club at the height of its marathon success
, including marathoner Bill Rodgers, Alberto Salazar, Dick Beardsley and
Greg Meyer.[1] He was notable for designing a Heartbreak Hill simulator for
training. He was formerly a coach at Boston State College. |
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g***y
发帖数: 829 | 26 去年Chicago简直比Duel in the Sun还刺激
看来做一个好教练也要历史传承， Alberto Salazar后来调教大美女Kara不是成了年度
教练了。 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 27 Bill Rodgers only went up to about 165 I think, and it is only for a week or
two. Japanese runners do 185, and some think that they run too much.
Alberto Salazar tried 200+ mpw and failed miserably -- it almost ended his
career until his comeback many years later. |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 28 http://www.flotrack.
org/speaker/3-Alberto-Salazar/video/137-Kara-Goucher-Workout
在nike总部？ |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 29 good for Alberto Salazar |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 31 lots of legendary american names in the winners list too:
Bill Rodgers, Frank Shorter, Alberto Salazar, Joan Benoit Samuelson |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 32 btw, the guy who PR every time is Dick Beardsley.
Beardsley ran his first marathon in 2:47:14 at the 1977 Paavo Nurmi Marathon
in Hurley, Wisconsin. In subsequent marathons, he steadily lowered his
times: 2:33:22, 2:33:06, and 2:31:50. Beardsley is the only man to have ever
run 13 consecutive personal bests in the marathon, and is in the Guinness
Book of World Records for the feat.[1]
His finish time of 2:09:37 at the 1981 Grandma's Marathon was still the
course record as of 2007. Beardsley plac... 阅读全帖 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 33 原来是和Alberto Salazar一起Duel in the Sun 的名人，
居然连续13个PR就是吉尼斯纪录了，要是保持好PR的节奏，这个
应该也不难啊。。
Marathon
ever
of
Marathon |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 34 对我来说是这样的。。。感觉落地面积大了
而且alberto salazar的书running form那一节也说，landing在脚跟前面一点点是可以
的。。。 |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 35 刚买了本alberto salzar's guide to road racing...准备开看。。。 |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 37 还是要注意啊
alberto salazar就是说因为哮喘，所以他远离了顶级运动员行业，只能当教练了。。 |
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y**********u
发帖数: 6366 | 38
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shoes,
昨天在飞机上看了alberto salazar的书，好像说12岁以下的小孩，单天最多不要跑超
过12-14mile... |
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L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 39 great read:
http://news.runnersworld.com/2012/04/08/brief-chat-alberto-sala
What was the biggest mistake you made in your own running career—one you’
re coaching your athletes not to make?
AS: I didn’t give myself enough breaks during the training year to recover.
I didn’t understand the power of periodization. I would take maybe two
days off after a season, then do 70 miles the next week, and 100 the week
after that. I basically got no rest at all.
My training was very, very hard, but t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6366 | 40 Alberto Salazar好像是因为哮喘退役的。。。
recover.
dust
the
a
training
go
lead |
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L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 41 At the beginning of his career, Alberto Salazar was known as "this super
fast guy with terrible running form". He peaked for two years, set the world
record record in the marathon, won the duel in the sun, and then his career
practically ended due to overtraining (until his comeback at comrades
ultramarathon years later). |
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发帖数: 1283 | 42 That's what Alberto Salazar thought himself. He tried different things as a
pro, trained as hard as he could and ran as much as he could. At some point
he ran 200+ miles per week and became sick often, to the point that he could
barely jog. It's quite bizarre. |
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w***n
发帖数: 9040 | 43 The Big Book of Endurance Training and Racing
By Dr. Philip Maffetone
CHAPTER 8
THE OVERTRAINING SYNDROME
Overtraining is the most common problem that prevents endurance
athletes from reaching their potential. It’s also the most common cause of
injury and ill-health for millions of athletes. And overtraining is a
problem
that many athletes, coaches, and health-care professionals don’t recognize
until it becomes a more serious condition.
As a result, overtraining is not recognized soon enough to ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 44 Alberto Salazar 领导的一个 Nike Oregon Project，
奇怪好像没有马拉松选手在这里训练？ |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 46 还是有不少的，不过都是真正敢把自己往死里整的主，
比如Ann Trason, Alberto Salazar...
新人我倒是也见过极少1，2个.... |
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b*******3
发帖数: 109 | 47 Eugene Marathon race report
跑过16英里的时候已经知道PR和BQ已经是必然的了！然后哪？ 真的很希望后面的兄弟
能拍一下我肩膀，然后他绝尘而去BQ上一个年龄组。我最后倚赖年龄的优势BQ了三分多
一点，splits很难看, 前半马1:39, 后半马1:48， 整个一个meltdown。事实也确实如
此，跑过16mile以后，基本只能维持8:10~8:30的pace，虽然很幸运地没抽筋，但绝对
是强弩之末，心有余而力不足，根本快不起来。赛后有很多人生感悟，其中LD讲了最重
要的一条：跑步和跑马是为了乐趣，什么PR啊，BQ啊，只是顺理成章的事，不要本末倒
置，跑爽了最重要！另一位牛小妹在微信上说的也很好：“快乐的跑步最完美，别的什
么都是浮云”！
先从Euegen马拉松说起。Eugene Oregon, Nike的起源之处，University of Oregon (
Oregon Duck) 所在之地，号称Tracktown USA。想当年，如今的Billionaire,当年的屌
丝Phil Knight尚在UO长跑队在著名coach Bill Bowerman... 阅读全帖 |
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w******n
发帖数: 8158 | 48 1.Diego Cavalieri 目标是联赛有出场纪录；
2.Glen Johnson 在利物浦和在英格兰国家队都穿上了2号，身价也是近几年的典型英格
兰球员身价，看是不是近几年的典型英格兰水货了；
4.Alberto Aquilani 健康是他最大的敌人，而且也是太多贝帅让看不懂的交易之一；
5.Daniel Agger 主力还是替补？他的左脚有一脚远射，也是跟卡拉格左右中卫搭配的最
合适人选，当然如果没有斯科特的话；
8.Steven Gerrard 伤病也是是他最大的敌人，或许应该少去夜店，或者在家里以自己喜
欢的音量随便放自己喜欢的音乐。年近而立的他将面临最好的世界杯机会；
9.Fernando Torres 只有他的球衣有可能卖过队长，希望上赛季在看台上养伤期间想到
了些对付英超后卫的新方法，好让自己的第三季回涌；
10.Andriy Voronin 这个十号有点冷，上赛季在柏林赫塔威风八面，还是转会德甲更有
奔头；
11.Albert Riera 进攻套路有点单一，他的几招在新赛季将更加不好使；
12.Fabio Aurelio 任意球是他的绝招，但需要队长点头才行；
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w******n
发帖数: 8158 | 49 1.Daniel Aranzubia 毕尔巴鄂的巴斯克门将，现在这里也是主力；
2.Manuel Pablo 球队队长，多年的老臣经历了超级拉科的辉煌和过后的辛酸苦辣，年龄
已然不小的他在右后卫位置上已有点力不从心了；
3.Filipe Luis 攻击能力很强左边后卫，这个夏天跟巴萨的闹剧让人看得如痴如醉，后
事如何，待看下季分解；
4.Alberto Lopo 主力中卫，超级得牌大户；
5.Ze Castro 葡萄牙中卫，有过国家队出场纪录，在这里是轮换球员；
6.Juca 巴西后腰，之前到处流浪，新赛季刚加盟；
7.Piscu 拉科青训后卫，轮换球员；
8.Sergio 超级拉科时代的中场，控制力不错，零二年世界杯西班牙队一员；
9.Rodolfo Bodipo 出生在西班牙的几内亚前锋，进球率一般；
10.Adrian fm里的小妖人前锋，在俱乐部表现一般，大都租借在外，在国家少年青年队
倒是表现很好；
11.Riki 出身皇马青训的前锋，未曾亮相过皇马一队，倒是后来打进过老东家的大门，
最近受伤病影响较多；
14.Pablo Alvarez 中场替补；
15.Laure 出身皇 |
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发帖数: 6345 | 50 Alberto Zapater (pen 36) Daniele Dessena (16)
Rodrigo Palacio (39) Daniele Conti (41)
Giuseppe Sculli (42) Alessandro Matri (pen 55)
Marco Rossi (45)
Omar Milanetto (59)
两边真忙啊 |
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