k******t
发帖数: 257 | 1 I think that's because most wsop $10k entries are from satellites,so they
care cashing.If you play your normal bankroll like $24,$75 token tourment in
Fulltilt, it's totol nonsense to throw away As when you are in bubble
facing allins. You are making a couple bucks at bottom of the money for
hours of grinding. Forget about miracle, you basically got no chance for
winning if short-stacked going in. All people can call you 3xBBs allin and
check it down.
10K
they
dragon
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 2 We are talking about different things.
You talk about read, but I already said OA is not related to read.If you put
read or player skill in, then we are no longer talking about OA.
Image a player you never know his image, and this is his first hand. Now he
allin on a board with A, and you have pocket KK, would you call his allin?
That is his OA, even he is bluffing, you are less likely to call.
这三张桌牌的客观形式就是对他有利.至于你以后通过了解他的风格,做出一些相应调整
,可能也会call,那已经不在我的讨论范围之内.我想讨论的是,桌上牌的构成,有没有给
他一个对他有利的形势.
再举一个以前说 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 3 I made a few examples to show there are opportunities,but those examples are not
necessarily the best way to explore these opportunites.
In example 2,one don't have to allin, if he only bet on flop and turn, also
can be profitable.
In example 3, I tend to allin.
Generally, good way to bluff, is to bluff weakness and stop when there is
strength. Good way to fight bluffing,is not lower your standard to call
, (like call with lower pair), but show weakness and let your opponent run
into your mons |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 4 I would not call on flop. But if I called, and now I am button, I would bet
800 or 1000 to get the side pot at least.
My read if I bet, the odds are very high to get the side pot.
Preflop when shortstack goes allin, I would go allin too, SB and UTG would fold since they only called before, which suggest they didn't have strong hand.Then I would pay 400 to compete for 1000, with shortstack who doesn't necessarily have good hand. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 5 Johnny Chan won the tournament but he was just luckier than the rest.
Most of his allins, he was behind and hit his cards.
The first one was Ad7d allin on a flop of 2d,3d,3h, with opponent 2s4s, he
was 25% vs 75% behind and hit flush on river.The last one was KQs vs A10,
hit two pairs.
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 6 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - AdQd Either allin or fold.
I slightly prefer fold.
As BB so high and button short stack, if button got mildly strong hand, he
would choose allin.If he got very strong hand, (high pairs,} he would only
raise to induce call.
Besides, BB could fight with button. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 7 Partial buy-in could fit some special style.
I find when someone is short stack, he play less carefully, and others also play less carefully towards him. For example, he may just allin for a 40% odds flush draw, which if he has big stack he wouldn't do it.
On the other hand,others may just call his allin on a 40% odds, which they would not do if the opponent's stack is big. I think if someone deliberately play on short stack, to take advantage of this situation, it could be an edge. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 8 1.
UTG+1 [likely]either low pair or AT something, UTG+2 either AK,AQ, or JJ+.
2.
Plus, at early stage of a MTT, it would be wise to play conservatively.
3.
At any stage,with the same hand, I prefer allin when others limp in,
while fold when others raise or allin. |
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l******n
发帖数: 641 | 9 4 outs is nothing at multi-allins.
think of it again, can u do allin again and again when u have 4 outs?
flush draw is ok, since u will get odds in this table. but what if someone h
olding AQd, then u are drawing dead.
a made-hand all-in is good when u meet all these players at one table, who p
ut all money in for 4 outs. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 Be frank, it is very safe. Because I am in BB, nobody behinds me, and he
raise too much on the button almost every time.
Next round, he raise my blinds again, I reraise allin again, he has to fold
again.
I guess that one of the biggest trick in tournament is to steal the blinds.
If you have about 5BB, you can allin and make others to fold.
If you have about 10BB-12BB, you can choose to r-esteal depend on the
situation, do not need to have a hand.
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 11 If I hold 4,5, I would call.
In a HU game, if opponent allin on a 5,6,7,8 board, almost certain he has 9,
unless he is a big fish.
I once had A,10 and flop A,A,7, opponent bet BB and I call, turn 5, and he
allin, by instinct I suspect he had 5,5 but I just could not overcome myself
and called, and he did have 5,5.
When I think over this hand the smart thing is to fold.
If he had hands like A3, or QQ, he would not bet BB on flop, 5BB is standard. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 12 I made a lot of such mistakes
button raise, I(SB) have ace 10 suited, allin
BB reraise allin, show ak |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 13 tournament的话，QQ当然preflop allin。不过我的意思是指77和33的allin更容易发生
在tournament里，cash game里有点猛，除非是play money或者特别低的. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 14 today, I have kk four times ,and encounter aa every time.(cash game)
pre-flop allin
all of my KK loses , it so sucks
at least 3 times, I guess the other guy has aa, but still pre-flop all in
them,
maybe it is a leak in my game.
but yesterday, i have aa 3 times, encounter kk everytime. (cash game)
I preflop allin them, every time I lose. It is so funny though.
on tourney , have some funny hands though,
1010 vs jk suited
flop 333
turn 3
river king
another tourney,
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 15 前几天用$6赢了一个$26的token，今天报名参加$27,500 guarantee的比赛，double
stack（3000筹码），1474人，10分钟升blind。
比赛初期一切正常，不掺和乱七八糟的pot，主要靠两三个大pot，第一个小时到了
10000 chip size左右，field从1474人减少到1000人左右。
后来，我AQ call了一个44的allin，输了，筹码掉到3000多。立即switch gear，变得
更aggreesive，开始allin。这时候来牌了，总是拿pocket pair，而别人以为我开始
tilt了，给我action，结果我double up两次，然后kick out 4人，期间的牌比如55
beat AJ，KK beat 88（flop先出8，river出K），等等。那个最初44赢我的人说，your
blessed，呵呵。运气是不错，赢了好几个coin flip。第二个小时我的筹码到了29000
左右，排到第12名，field还剩394人。
后来我换了一桌，碰上两个排在前5名的。我第一手拿到AQ，call 2x raise，flop出来 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 16 These two are all drawing hands. Actually quite profitable to get him allin
before the draw. But the luck is not on melonli's side.
But AT allin is a little weak. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 should say tougher
chip leader raise every hand. I am small blinds, and he is big blinds.
I lower my range to call his allin.
turns out A4o vs A4o
k7o vs my q 10 suit, I get luck though, chop pot.
When he raises the button, if I have any king or ace, raise him.
And get caught one time, I have ace 6 suit, he has qq, but I get luck that
time.
And I lose one chance to Knock him out, he raise allin utg with q 7 off, I
have 88 in the BB. But another 2 guy, raise, and reraise with complete
garbage ki |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 18 Get 8th/1259
tilt for the next hand, go allin with 55, and lose the race.
A little more patient, maybe can come back. I still get enough chips, if I choose see a flop, then fold.
Should say if I do not lose that pot, I will not allin preflop with 55.
Full Tilt Poker Game #10639892026: $28,000 Guarantee (80074493), Table 19 -
10000/20000 Ante 2500 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:53:58 ET - 2009/02/15
Seat 1: deeman270 (273,076)
Seat 3: igetquadsalot (167,785)
Seat 4: SchefferPG (500,645)
Seat 5: jaymokick |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 19 It is final table. And I can see a flop, and check fold. still have 12bb
left, which is good enough, little below average, but that is ok.
No need to play 5050 there.
I do make call with 48suited against other people's allin sometimes, but
usually I have him covered. ( :)I did that yesterday in that tourney, I
raise 2.4bb utg with 48suited, guy re-raise allin with 9bb using aqo, I
called immediately since that is bubble time and I get him covered.)
However, I usually will not risk my whole tourn |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 20 When I first play big MTT, I usually can go very deep, because I just allin
when I have some sort of hands. At that time, I just played Freeroll, allin is my way to play freeroll. However, when I know payout, and a little about game, I become cautious, and never goes deep.
Therefore, maybe your 老丈人 can win one big MTT. Not joking. Just like
Jerry Yang can win Wsop, apparently he is not the best in the field. :)
But in the long run, the skills dominate.---You should mention it to your 老
丈人 also |
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 21 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - 问一手牌 到最后俩人了，WlkRambo allin后，doctorhowser还是fold了。我想问的是，如果是
headsup，手里是AA或KK，当stack差不多，剩余筹码能reraise到4x左右的时候，应该
reraise allin么？我觉得应该call或者做min reraise，然后争取在flop后多赢点，你
们觉得呢？如果WlkRambo也是这么想的话，可能手里是AK，或者QQ,JJ之类。
Full Tilt Poker Game #11078199304: $33,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) (82403538),
Table 23 - 8000/16000 Ante 2000 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:11:20 ET - 2009/03/11
Seat 2: doctorhowser (696,084)
Seat 4: WlkRambo (447,416)
doctorhowser antes 2,000
WlkRambo antes 2,000
WlkRambo posts the small blind of 8,000
docto |
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p*******r
发帖数: 100 | 22 对方倒数第二手semibluff实在不该allin，最后一手运气不好。KKRUN call flop
allin是不是因为对方pre flop的raise呢？以为对方是overcards? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 I watched later game.
His utg 3bb raise includes 22 or rubbish.
If he raise with 22, he can not call my allin raise.
The problem is that my stack is a little too huge to shove there.
And any 3bet means allin.
I guess the correct way is to fold. |
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c***s
发帖数: 70028 | 24 2003年春天，SBS电视台开拍《AllIn》剧集，男女主角李秉宪和宋慧乔被传媒曝光绯闻。
据台湾媒体报道，韩国演员李秉宪被曝日前与2名年轻辣妹一起喝酒，过程中不慎遭对方拍下不雅影片，惨遭勒索50亿韩币，虽然两女已经被警方逮捕，不过近来又有网友起底他的性丑闻，爆料称多年前他曾短暂与宋慧乔交往，但因为他沉迷于变换性爱花招，导致女方受不了才提出分手。
李秉宪以优质好男人的形象深植人心，近来却遭网友挖出过往的性爱丑闻，指出10年前造成韩国演艺圈轰动的“X档案”中，爆料他曾与宋慧乔短暂交往1年多，一度传出要结婚喜讯，不料后来却分手收场，据悉，原本视他为偶像的女方无法忍受他在性爱时喜欢变换各种变态花招，因此提出分手。
此外，2009年有一名女子对李秉宪提出告诉，声称被欺骗感情，两人原本以结婚为前提交往，但对方却借此诱拐她上床，达到目的后就将她拋弃，虽然这场官司最后不了了之，却也让李秉宪的形象受到不小打击。 |
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发帖数: 11979 | 25
轮不到，国内民族主义情绪很容易挑唆；民运，海外是原罪，美帝干爹这帽子一扣，民
粹就赢了
别看毛左现在带衰，最有希望的潜力股！
当然前提是tg倒台，这是个伪命题，因为tg倒台的几个可能是
1 外忧
不成立，tg不去找事，谁也不会打tg，怪毛左造了蛋蛋
2 内患
经济停滞-->印钱刺激--->通胀，物价飞涨
学术讲叫滞涨，不过有3万亿外储，还能让经济滞涨的领，除非是智障了
（当然石油美元崩溃，天顶星人入侵，2012大洪水这种概率的事情就不提了）
结论是如果你还年轻，可以allin毛左，会有苦尽甘来拨云见日的一天；
如果你已步入中年，一定要好好教孩子唱红歌，自己跟着走资派喝口汤就不错了 |
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l*****e
发帖数: 1633 | 27 情人眼里出西施啊。。。糟点太多
-------一代大帝难道还没资格评价一割据诸侯？
曹操是中国历史上最成功人士，没有之一。
---------曹操吓得在棺材里翻了个身。。。
评论古人，无非政治，军事，文学，和家庭四个方面。阿瞒哪一个不是5A级？
---------军事一流半，政治二流，比我会打仗的没我会写诗，比我会写诗的没我
会打仗，玩儿女人玩出火害死资质极佳的长子，气得老婆主动休夫，至死不肯原谅他，
曹昂之死改写了魏国国运，诸庶子相残夺嫡，选了以司马懿为心腹的驴叫帝，导致死后
三十年被篡权
---------- 不是我军无能，是共军太狡猾，曹粉和果粉抱头痛哭ing
曹操起点不可谓不高（大官二代富二代），革命资历不可谓不深（十八路诸侯讨董卓起
家），运气不可谓不好（官渡allin以小博大成功），投身革命三十年只混了个三分天
下，跟历史上的一线帝王还有差距 |
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 28 赌一把，下个月allin买年底到期的ashr期权。 |
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s*****V
发帖数: 21731 | 29 玩过一个手机游戏，就是没把都ALLin跟人打比赛，所以财产倍增很快，但是一把输了
就GG了，前面挣的都吐出来。 |
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Q**********u
发帖数: 1616 | 30 明年见分晓了
两面都allin了
弄不死对手就是自己死
[在 lefer (追求自由平等是文明人的天性) 的大作中提到：]
：棒子是投了147亿美元修新工厂死心搞半导体了
：
：........... |
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O**l
发帖数: 12923 | 31 发你个鸡巴各个forum
你这蠢货说说到底哪个section比汽车大
尼玛股市产生个屁增加值 spx最大的价值是一年1.3t的分红+回购 这个一毛钱也没少
老子能想到的就是建筑业
可惜 营建开支今年破了1t yoy +13.4%
蠢猪脸都被抽成猪头了吧 估计是5000点allin A股 脑子傻了
尼玛傻粪的逻辑 虽然数据上行 但是fed不加息 所以经济不行
天朝虽然数据加速下滑 但是pboc一边qe一边降息 我靠经济牛叉
比。 |
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C*******f
发帖数: 13152 | 32 赶紧让你爸你妈你七大姑八大姨把房子卖了，allin买中国房价崩 |
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z***t
发帖数: 10817 | 33 是不是盛世？是不是伟人？
是
但这能justify合法性吗？
不能
这两回赌国运赌对了 那下次呢 总有错的时候
不能像小日本动不动allin 不惜流血冲突 这是民主的意义：
以和平的方式做最不坏的选择
请不要以希特勒的例子反驳 任何框架都有失灵的时候 统计所有例子民主肯定比集权相
对安全稳定可靠 |
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f******t
发帖数: 19544 | 34 我也遇到伪币被盗，丢了1千。我经常博彩，对伪币数比较敏感。丢伪币前不久我刚
Allin过，因此从流水账上找到了伪币被盗的证据。跟钻风纠缠了很久，钻风拒绝承认
，补给我伪币了事。这不是伪币的事，而是这个体系，如果不能堵住这个漏洞，伪币本
来就不多的价值，又去之八九。 |
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a******9
发帖数: 20431 | 35 索南真尼玛幼稚
你买个楼才赚多少钱？能赚五倍么
联想那会如果变卖所有资产 allin亚马逊股票 盈利20倍 |
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N****n
发帖数: 6571 | 41 Next President of the United States of America
Odds as of November 8 at Bovada
Hillary Clinton -550
Donald Trump +375
Other n/a |
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z***t
发帖数: 10817 | 43 在斗争中求生存
郭文贵为了盘古选择搞反刘志华 说明这厮亡命之徒的性格即使发大财了也不改
一路发横财自己也恶行累累 还总喜欢allin 早晚被wipe out |
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发帖数: 2469 | 45 对中美贸易，美国是我国第二大贸易伙伴，据海关统计，2017年中美贸易总值为3.95万
亿元人民币，同比增长15.2%，占我国进出口总值的14.2%，其中对美出口2.91万亿元，
增长14.5%，自美进口1.04万亿元，增长17.3%，对美贸易顺差1.87万亿元，扩大13%。
2017年，中美贸易实现快速增长，作为世界前两大经济体，我们希望中美继续深化经贸
合作，实现互利共赢，共同推动全球经济繁荣。谢谢。
不用allin还剩点 |
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 46 如果对方出的筹码超出你的所有筹码，你怎么办？
比如你还有50块，桌上筹码100块，对方double到200，那么你的钱allin也不够。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 47 看来你没有去过拉斯韦加斯赌场玩扑克，其实很简单，少的一方即使赢，也拿不走对方
那么多筹码，只能赢等额的一部分
[在 THR (???) 的大作中提到：]
:如果对方出的筹码超出你的所有筹码，你怎么办？
:比如你还有50块，桌上筹码100块，对方double到200，那么你的钱allin也不够。 |
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a*****e
发帖数: 717 | 48 中美正在私下紧急磋商，美方要利，中方要名，各让一步，谁都不傻逼
马照跑，舞照跳，股价跌了记得allin
禁运禁售都是浮云，过几个月改成罚款
川普就是叫的欢，自己斤两还是有哈数的 |
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发帖数: 2469 | 50 川普贸易战白打了？美贸易逆差创双高
美国7月贸易逆差扩大到5个月来最高，增幅为3年来最大，显示黄豆和民用机出口
下滑，美国对中国的贸易逆差更创历史新高纪录。针对外界关于川普政府贸易战白打的
说法，白宫发言人桑德斯5日表示，川普总统"当然有可能"在6日公众评论期结束后，决
定对2000亿美元中国商品加征关税。
川普总统一向对美国的贸易逆差看不顺眼，他不断藉关税手段，企图与贸易伙伴达
成更公平的贸易。但美国商务部下辖的人口调查与统计局5日公布最新数据显示，7月对
外贸易逆差扩大9.5%至501亿美元，连续第2个月扩增，且升至2月以来最高，增幅为
2015年3月来最大。6月数据修正为逆差457亿美元，低于原先公布的463亿美元。
具政治敏感性的美国对中国逆差在7月增加10%至368亿美元，创历史新高。对欧盟
逆差从6月的117亿美元激增50%至176亿美元，也创新高。对加拿大逆差暴增57.6%至31
亿美元。对墨西哥逆差则缩小25.3%，降到55亿美元。
路透访调经济学家原先预估7月整体贸易逆差增至503亿美元。尽管川普政府大力推
行"美国优先"政策，捲入与欧盟、加拿大和墨西哥互课关税的冲突... 阅读全帖 |
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