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发帖数: 38600 | 1 Jimmy Carter: A Five-Nation Plan to End the Syrian Crisis
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/26/opinion/jimmy-carter-a-five-n
I HAVE known Bashar al-Assad, the president of Syria, since he was a college
student in London, and have spent many hours negotiating with him since he
has been in office. This has often been at the request of the United States
government during those many times when our ambassadors have been withdrawn
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发帖数: 38600 | 2 Before the revolution began in March 2011, Syria set a good example of
harmonious relations among its many different ethnic and religious groups,
including Arabs, Kurds, Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians who were Christians,
Jews, Sunnis, Alawites and Shiites. The Assad family had ruled the country
since 1970, and was very proud of this relative harmony among these diverse
groups. |
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发帖数: 38600 | 3 Despite our persistent but confidential protests, the early American
position was that the first step in resolving the dispute had to be the
removal of Mr. Assad from office. Those who knew him saw this as a fruitless
demand, but it has been maintained for more than four years. In effect, our
prerequisite for peace efforts has been an impossibility. |
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发帖数: 38600 | 4 Janet is a trusted commenter Salt Lake City, Utah 9 hours ago
Thank you, President Carter, for speaking so bluntly on the Syrian crisis
and thank you for your continued effort to bring peace to the region.
Although my knowledge of the politics of the area is very superficial, I
have long thought the US demand that Assad step down is a major impediment
to peace. I take heart that you agree. Perhaps President Obama will take
your advice. |
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发帖数: 38600 | 5 U.S. Congresswoman: CIA Must Stop Illegal, Counterproductive War to
Overthrow Assad |
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发帖数: 379 | 6 KER R 1 day ago
Ah the "moderates rebels" the US and EU want to protect. It's clear, they
are definitively better than Assad isn't it ? What a shame that we don't
find Obama or Hollande in these cages. They clearlly deserve to be there.
Thank you Mr Obama, Thank you Mr Hollande, you were right..... they are
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo moderates. |
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发帖数: 38600 | 12 The Paris attacks “show that it doesn’t matter if you’re for Assad or
against him,” said Lavrov, “ISIS is your enemy.”
Syrian Transition Plan Reached by U.S., Russia in Vienna
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-14/syrian-transi
Here are the main points:
1 Month, or, by Dec. 14: Diplomats will reconvene to review progress
Jan. 1: UN will seek to convene Syrian government and opposition in formal
negotiations
6 Months, or, by May 14, 2016: Cease-fire between Syrian government and
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发帖数: 3199 | 13 社评：世界不应因暴行而退缩
造成至少200人被害的乌鲁木齐恐怖袭击是文明的最可怕噩梦：在某个省会的市中心向
和平的人民发起不分青红皂白的袭击，而被害者的过错无非是路过了当地。这波凶残的
恐怖袭击发生在贝鲁特遭遇自杀式炸弹几天后，显然说明我们正在经历又一波伊斯兰主
义恐怖活动——就在极端分子在叙利亚和伊拉克盘踞的不毛之地受到威胁之际。
文明世界的直接反应必须是：在这样的暴行面前拿出集体勇气；加强警戒和情报共享；
有针对性的军事反应；以及国际社会要与新疆人民团结在一起。
乌鲁木齐各家医院外人们排起长队献血，证明了这个伟大城市的市民的决心和人性。在
新疆的街道上大规模部署部队，以及实行紧急状态，都是恢复治安的必要回应。来自全
国的同情表示是发自内心的。对很多外省人来说，新疆是他们的第二故乡：Nous
sommes tous Xinjiangren（我们都是新疆人）。
就像以往的此类袭击（2001年在纽约和华盛顿、2004年在马德里、2005年在伦敦、2008
年在孟买）一样，恐怖分子的意图除了杀戮之外，还包括杀害理想。他们的目标是开放
社会、个人自由和集体权利的价值观。
在民粹主义政客嚷嚷着... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3472 | 14 Assad must go!
克里在发布会上激动地表示，只要阿萨德还掌权，战争就不可能也不会结束。阿萨德已
经成为一块吸引外国战士赴叙利亚参战的磁石，这就是人民发动战争的原因，所以他必
须下台。——
——不妨仔细看一看美国鬼佬的丑恶嘴脸...
威胁、要挟、恐吓、无赖——人类一切真善美的标准在这个美国鬼子的言语中竟然找不
到对应的词汇...
美国人历来信奉并奉行不移的是“美国和美国人的利益至上”原则，为了他们的利益，
美国和美国人可以和魔鬼打交道...
“人民”在美国发动911等战争，奥巴马必须下台！（也快了） |
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发帖数: 3472 | 15 Assad must go!
克里在发布会上激动地表示，只要阿萨德还掌权，战争就不可能也不会结束。阿萨德已
经成为一块吸引外国战士赴叙利亚参战的磁石，这就是人民发动战争的原因，所以他必
须下台。——
——不妨仔细看一看美国鬼佬的丑恶嘴脸...
威胁、要挟、恐吓、无赖——人类一切真善美的标准在这个美国鬼子的言语中竟然找不
到对应的词汇...
美国人历来信奉并奉行不移的是“美国和美国人的利益至上”原则，为了他们的利益，
美国和美国人可以和魔鬼打交道...
打美国就是恐怖分子，杀无辜叙利亚人、俄国人、中国人就是“战士”，“人民”？！
就是绝望的呐喊？
“人民”在美国发动911等战争，奥巴马必须下台！（也快了） |
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发帖数: 1291 | 16 法国人不是主张推翻ASSAD，有利于ISIS么？ |
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发帖数: 1218 | 19 美帝一直跟阿萨德过不去就是因为要打掉毛子的基地吗？没看出阿萨德怎么得罪了美帝
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发帖数: 48111 | 20 actually, 这话是癞痢自己说的。 她说她自己提出了比别的候选人都更翔实可行的解
决方案。
首先， 就是要把assad推翻, blah blah.
当然， 我们滞美的都明白， 报纸单方面引述谁的话， 基本上就是背书谁 |
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发帖数: 586 | 22 He called the Turkish response a “stab in the back by the accomplices of
terrorists” — an apparent reference to Turkish-supported rebel forces
fighting Assad.
“Today’s tragic cases will have significant consequences for the relations
between Russia and Turkey,” Putin told reporters after talks with Jordan’
s King Abdullah II, whose nation is part of the U.S.-led coalition.
Putin claimed that Turkey “immediately turned to its partners from NATO to
discuss this incident as though it was us who dow... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1392 | 23 这次事件，俄罗斯可以宣称土耳其攻击了在叙利亚境内的俄罗斯战斗机，对俄罗斯造成
威胁，把防空导弹都战备起来，看到非俄罗斯飞机或者土耳其飞机直接发射打掉，土耳
其这次明显是受北约指使攻击俄罗斯飞机，叙利亚只有一个合法政府就是ASSAD，俄罗
斯受邀打击恐怖主义，其他国家飞机都是入侵叙利亚领空，用俄罗斯防空系统覆盖叙利
亚，见到非俄罗斯飞机就打，地面上叛军攻击俄罗斯救援直升机，已经是恐怖主义行为
，控制了叙利亚领空之后，地面上剿灭叛军，对ISIS要谈判沟通，把isis逼回伊拉克境
内，俄罗斯可以全部控制叙利亚，把恐怖份子逼到伊拉克，让美国伊拉克撤军完全失败。
看普京有多大的胃口和有多大的胆量了。 |
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发帖数: 234 | 24 There was nothing!
Russian co-pilot: No warning before Turkey downed plane
Is this the end of NATO?
NATO survived Cold War, but downed Russian fighter provides biggest threat
World War III?
Assad only winner after Russian jet downed
Range of Frustrations Reached Boil as Turkey Shot Down Russian Jet |
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发帖数: 42116 | 25 Hollande, Putin agree to work more closely to combat Islamic State in Syria
MOSCOW (Reuters) - France and Russia will exchange intelligence on Islamic
State and other rebel groups to improve the effectiveness of their aerial
bombing campaigns in Syria, French President Francois Hollande said on
Thursday after talks with Vladimir Putin.
However, the two men remained at odds over the fate of Syrian President
Bashar al-Assad, an ally of Russia whom Western and Sunni Arab countries
blame for Syria's... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1709 | 26 "The goal of US to ISIS was never to fight them, only facilitate them and
topple Assad/create chaos." |
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发帖数: 2226 | 27 其实，李鸿章，袁世凯，溥仪，汪兆铭，毛泽东也都是这么想的
你国力不行的时候，用已经事实上保不住的主权去跟人做交易，多少换点什么东西回来
，也就是最好的结果了
只不过，这种事情道德风险很大，拿捏不准，日后就要遗臭万年
历史上，卖国也是有成功案例的。比如说元朝、清朝时候的朝鲜，19世纪末20世纪初的
泰国，就是靠投降强权甘为儿皇帝才避免了亡国灭种的结局。这两国的国祚后来都比他
们所投降的强权要长。
最牛的是列宁。俄国十月暴动以后，内部保皇派实力仍然强劲，外部和同盟国的一战尚
未结束，协约国列强又来武装干涉。刚刚上台的布尔什维克政权实际上是岌岌可危的。
列宁一面割让波兰、爱沙尼亚、乌克兰、克里米亚给德国，换取与同盟国停火；一面发
表对华宣言，表示愿归还帝俄从中国夺取的利益，以换取中国支持（当时，北洋政府是
协约国成员，协约国列强干涉俄国革命需要借道中国）。外交人民委员托洛茨基不愿意
签署这个丧权辱国的卖国条约。列宁就罢免托洛茨基另派代表签约。
当时列宁的理由就是，如果割地停战，布尔什维克还能剩下俄国2/3的土地；如果不能
停战，布尔什维克就只能完蛋，没有一寸土地是布尔什维克的
结果刚刚签约，... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 12853 | 28 How Turkey Exports ISIS Oil To The World: The Scientific Evidence
Tyler Durden's pictur
eSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 11/27/2015 15:00 -0500
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发帖数: 20306 | 29 这则消息有趣：
美军和土军合伙设埋伏，意图在俄罗斯的苏－２４在飞经土耳其领空的那几秒时间里把
它击落，事先把一切都计算安排好了， 只等着苏－２４掉进布置好了的陷阱里。
但土军的两架Ｆ１６迟到了两分钟，导致到场时苏－２４已经飞离了土领空。
而Ｆ１６电脑上事先设定的射击命令没被及时取消，仍然发射，击落了已经在叙利亚领
空的苏－２４。
美土导演的这出戏，虽经精确计算，出了点意外演砸了，误送俄罗斯一个道德制高点。
A U.S. Air Force Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS plane took off on 24 November from
the Preveza airbase in Greece. A second E-3A of the Saudi Arabian air force
took off from the Riyadh airbase. Both planes were executing a common task—
determining the precise location of Russian aircraft. It is they th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 26623 | 30 美联社驻土耳其安卡拉报道，伊斯坦布尔法院星期四(11月26日)裁定，2名土耳其记者
因为报道了土耳其向叙利亚反政府军走私武器而被拘留，罪名是泄露国家机密
A court in Istanbul has charged two journalists from the opposition
Cumhuriyet newspaper with spying after they alleged Turkey’s secret
services had sent arms to Islamist rebels in Syria.
Can Dundar, the editor-in-chief, and Erdem Gul, the paper’s Ankara bureau
chief, are accused of spying and “divulging state secrets”, Turkish media
reported. Both men were placed in pre-trial detention.
According to Cumhuriyet, Turkish... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 31 it seems Benghazi was the arming of ISIS with Khadaffi’s weapons and the
weapons US gave the rebels (which they did not want to give back). The Obama
and Hillary administration wanted to take out Assad to be replaced with an
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发帖数: 20306 | 33 奥巴马叫美军训练５０００个民兵打阿萨德，美军只训练了５个。
Obama gave US millitary 450 million dollars and order them to go and train
5000 soldiers to fight Assad.
One Year later they came back and reported that they have trained 4 or 5
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发帖数: 27354 | 34 https://www.debka.com/article/25166/Putin-bypasses-Israel-sets-up-joint-war-
room-for-S-Syria-with-Jordan-
Putin bypasses Israel, sets up joint war room for S. Syria with Jordan
In a pivotal step reflecting the changeability of military and political
deals in Israel’s neighborhood, Jordan has almost overnight agreed to
establish a shared war room with Russia for the concerted conduct of their
operations in Syria. This represents an extreme reversal of Amman’s policy.
Until now, Jordan fought aga... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 19053 | 36 屡过"red line"的Assad，笑晕过去 :) |
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发帖数: 38600 | 37 Hillary Clinton and the Syrian Bloodbath
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and
The U.S. policy was a massive, horrific failure. Assad did not go, and was
not defeated. Russia came to his support. Iran came to his support. The
mercenaries sent in to overthrow him were themselves radical jihadists with
their own agendas. The chaos opened the way for the Islamic State, building
on disaffected Iraqi Army leaders (deposed by the US in 2003), on captured U
.S. weaponry, and o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 33885 | 38 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who
scored a major victory in a series of Super Tuesday nominating contests, has
been criticized by some in his party for being vague on policy specifics
and heavy on rhetoric.
Here is a closer look at what Trump has said he would do on trade, taxes,
the economy, immigration, healthcare and defense should he become the
nominee and win the Nov. 8 election. The policies are drawn from a review of
his website, stump speeches, de... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 466 | 39 WASHINGTON (Reuters)
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who scored a major victory
in a series of Super Tuesday nominating contests, has been criticized by
some in his party for being vague on policy specifics and heavy on rhetoric.
Here is a closer look at what Trump has said he would do on trade, taxes,
the economy, immigration, healthcare and defense should he become the
nominee and win the Nov. 8 election. The policies are drawn from a review of
his website, stump speeches, deba... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 19053 | 40 Assad屡次越过奥8亲划的"red line"，美军都不和弱国Syria开战, 美军会和中国开战
？？ :) |
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发帖数: 19053 | 41 re
看看Syria Assad，就知道了 :) |
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发帖数: 6971 | 42 头脑清楚，大局观强。虽然我现在是江轮，当年我也没觉得江core有多厉害。事后回味
才看出来江core不容易。
从Atlantic的文章摘抄的
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-d
Obama看中东外交：
I have come to believe that, in Obama’s mind, August 30, 2013, was his
liberation day, the day he defied not only the foreign-policy establishment
and its cruise-missile playbook, but also the demands of America’s
frustrating, high-maintenance allies in the Middle East—countries, he
complains privately to friends and advisers, that seek to exploit Ame... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6971 | 43 头脑清楚，大局观强。虽然我现在是江轮，当年我也没觉得江core有多厉害。事后回味
才看出来江core不容易。
从Atlantic的文章摘抄的
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-d
Obama看中东外交：
I have come to believe that, in Obama’s mind, August 30, 2013, was his
liberation day, the day he defied not only the foreign-policy establishment
and its cruise-missile playbook, but also the demands of America’s
frustrating, high-maintenance allies in the Middle East—countries, he
complains privately to friends and advisers, that seek to exploit Ame... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2602 | 44 据外媒报道，美国国务卿克里(John Kerry)3日对力挺阿萨德政权的俄罗斯与伊朗喊话
，要他们必须在8月1日前开始让叙利亚启动政权移转，将阿萨德(Bashar Assad)总统赶
下台，准备接受一个新的叙利亚政府。否则将面临美国采取其它方式以终结长达5年叙
利亚内战的风险。
美联社分析称，不过和过去美国的警告相比，克里这次所下的最后通牒并未明言阿萨德
将会面临什么后果。美国曾经在5年前称，阿萨德政权的日子正在倒数，也曾警告说，
如果叙利亚政府动用化学武器对付反抗军，美国就会出兵，结果都不了了之。现在这个
要阿萨德8月下台的最后通牒，究竟会有什么作用？
《纽约时报》报道，奥巴马政府向来反对美国在叙利亚战事中扮演积极的角色，因此美
国将不太可能增派部队进入叙利亚。美国目前在叙利亚境内有300名特种部队。美国比
较可能采取的做法是，让沙特阿拉伯等盟国对叙利亚反抗军提供更多武器以对抗巴夏尔
，包括携带式肩射型飞弹。
克里在国务院告诉记者，“政权移转的目标日期是8月1日”。他警告：“现在是5月了
，也就是在未来几个月内，必须有些事发生，否则他们将面临很不一样的处境。”
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发帖数: 1312 | 45 也来点评你说的三点
（1）暂停接受中东难民
其实这个可能是大多数美国人都希望的。但是，接受中东难民不仅仅是一个人道考虑，
而是美国政府在伊拉克，叙利亚政策的后果，无论美国布什，奥巴马政府在这些地区做
对了，做错了，面对汹涌的难民潮对欧洲盟友的压力，床铺叔一个决定不接受难民，他
所带来的反弹不仅仅是难民（美国接受的只是难民总数的很小百分比），而是欧洲盟友
的谴责。所以难民问题，其实更是一个美国欧洲关系的难题。
欧洲做的事情美国就一定要跟在后面做？什么道理？欧洲人自己作死大开边界，引得无
数人渡海而来。别跟我说什么战乱，当年中国贫穷的时候，要是能坐小船到发达国家定
居，大家非挤死不可。欧洲软弱的移民政策才是难民潮的根源。美国不去自省反而跟在
后面给自己没病找病。
（2）遣返非法移民
美国历史上一直都在拘留，遣返非法移民，这个问题的复杂性是因为南边墨西哥来的非
法移民太多，太多，太多，而且很多非法移民在美国一黑很多年，生儿育女，一旦遣返
，有很多的人道和社会副作用。此外，强硬对待非法移民，让黑下来的人永远不能合法
，这些人违法捣乱成为他们生活常态。所以历年美国政府才有大赦，怀柔这些看着手软
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发帖数: 12853 | 46 首先，别武断，我不是民主党，对老妖婆和她的党印象也不好，这个以后再谈。
简单评论一下你的点评吧：
（１）我没有说欧洲做对还是做错，我说的是美欧伙伴关系。这个和人际关系一样，有
人向你提出一个你不喜欢的要求，你就总能拒绝，甚至冲人家发火吗 ？
难民问题，表面是人道问题，实际上要比这个复杂好多。美国不接受难民，那么
欧洲就会说，这些难民谁造成的，难道不是你们美国挑起来的，现在你们让我们背包袱
，自己啥都不付出，我们还是盟友不是 ？
（２）美国的非法移民是你想遣返就能遣返得了的吗 ？ 希望你多看看书，读读严肃
分析的文章，如果你喊喊遣返就能遣返所有非法移民，美国政府早就干了。你想想，为
什么会有大赦，给非法移民身份 ？ 是不合理，但是如果你不这样，那些躲藏的非法
移民就永远黑着，对社会安定安全都是巨大威胁，而且这也说明，不是你想遣返就能遣
返。
（３）你喊打击 ＩＳＩＳ， 你就必须去和它周边国家，以及有利益的各个国家周
旋，有的时候你还必须拉某些国家，打压某些国家，因为这些国家也分团伙，也有冲突
，你对一个好，就会惹另一个生气 。。。。。 在这种形势下，你搞孤立主义，把自
己缩进窝里，你怎... 阅读全帖 |
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z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 47 No wonder they seem to like each other; they are akin in their abuse of the
truth.
Among the many dangers of Donald Trump is that he will make the United
States “great” again in exactly the way that the GOP front-runner’s one-
time admirer, Vladimir Putin, claims he is making Russia “great” again.
In other words, fraudulently.
In Russia today, thanks to Putin, spectacle, theater and lying pervade the
media, confuse the discourse and have turned the viewing public into an
electorate that no longe... 阅读全帖 |
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m**c
发帖数: 7349 | 49 Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has said victory in Aleppo will make the
city a "springboard" from which to retake the rest of the country. |
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G****e
发帖数: 11198 | 50 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: GoBlue (Wolverines), 信区: USANews
标 题: 希拉里邮件和克林顿基金会的22条问题要点
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Nov 3 13:59:57 2016, 美东)
希拉里邮件和克林顿基金会的22条问题要点
从这个人的推特上copy来的以下内容：
http://twitter.com/hectormorenco/with_replies
谁都输不起，谁都想赢。
FBI sources say, "If Trump loses this election all secured files in HRC
Weiner case will be sealed and high probability Obama/HRC walk."
Soon the world will discover HRC & Obama are at the center of the Syrian
conflict, profited from the Clinton foundation, & ignore... 阅读全帖 |
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