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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 2 Once again the deck was stacked. Westminster was not a gathering of those re
presenting all true believers, but only of the Calvinists, who had gained th
e upper hand in Parliament. Today's boast is that "all of the Westminster di
vines were Calvinists." 57 Furthermore, as Vance wisely comments...... like
the Synod of Dort, the presence of government officials at an ostensibly rel
igious assembly raises some questions about its legitimacy." 58 Expenses of
the members were borne by the State. Eve... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 3 Defining Calvinism
In spite of many differences of opinion among Calvinists today, Calvinism is
generally explained by the acronym, TULIP. Philip F. Congdon writes that "a
tulip is a beautiful flower, but bad theology. The fruit of the flower is a
ppealing; the fruit of the theology is appalling . . . works, as an inevitab
le result, are necessary for salvation. To be fair, Classical Calvinists usu
ally object to this by describing the gospel message as not `faith + works =
justification,' but `... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 4 Total Depravity
Of the ten words making up the acronym TULIP, four (total, depravity, uncond
itional and irresistible) are not even found in the Bible and two (limited a
nd perseverance) are each found only once. As for the phrases expressed by e
ach letter (Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irre
sistible Grace and Perseverance of the Saints), none of them appears anywher
e from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation! We have, therefore
, good cause to be at ... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 5 How is the Book of Mormon different from the Bible? How did Joseph Smith
obtain the “golden plates” or Book of Mormon?
-----The Book of Mormon is another witness that Jesus Christ really lived,
that He was and is God’s Son. It contains the writings of ancient prophets.
One of these, Lehi, lived in Jerusalem around 600 B.C. God commanded Lehi
to lead a small group of people to the American continent. There they became
a great civilization.
God continued to call prophets among these people. The Bo... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 6 What is a “testimony” that Mormons speak of?
A testimony is a spiritual witness given to an individual by the Holy Ghost.
The foundation of a Mormon’s testimony is the knowledge that Heavenly
Father lives and loves us; that Jesus Christ lives, that He is the Son of
God, and that He carried out the infinite Atonement; that Joseph Smith is a
prophet, which God called to restore Jesus Christ’s church to the earth;
that we are led today by a living prophet; and that The Church of Jesus
Christ of Lat... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 7 whiterose supports "limited atonement"
she is almost a Calvinist
sorry to make this clear |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 8 whiterose supports "limited atonement"
she is almost a Calvinist
sorry to make this clear |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 9 I'm not against Dramaer's personal view on Christianity.
I'm only questioning whether he can be unbiased & impartial as he claims.
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【 以下文字转载自 board 讨论区 】
发信人: littletshirt (小仙鹤), 信区: board
标 题: Re: Dramaer申请TrustInJesus版版主
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Sep 15 13:53:15 2011, 美东)
what Dramaer claims to support his election:
"[申请纲领]:
为普及传播基督教文化提供一个友好的交流平台，为信教网友和对基督教感兴趣的人提
供一个讨论的场所。提倡尊重基督教历史和文化传统，捍卫信仰和表达自由。围绕基督
教话题，为各地网友提供一个沟通信仰生活、讨论宗教理解的自由环境"
He talks the talk but does he walk... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 10 see how you insult the Arminianism.
God gave grace to all people. whosoever believe in Jesus Christ can recieve
this grace. This is biblical.
obviously, limited atonement is false. |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 11 发信人: Godwithus (神与我们同在), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: 加尔文五点TULIP的圣经根据 转载
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Sep 17 03:19:01 2011, 美东)
引言：
"TULIP" 的五个英文字母是代表加尔文主义 (Calvinism) 的五点基本救恩论立场。
T 代表人的全然败坏（Total depravity）；U代表神对人的无条件拣选（Unconditiona
l election）；L代表有限赎罪（Limited atonement）或特别救赎（Particular redem
ption）；I代表不可抗拒的恩典（Irresistible grace）；P代表信徒永远不会失落（P
erseverance of the saints）。
加尔文主义的五点救恩论教义，是回应亚米纽斯主义（Arminianism）所题出的五点
救恩论教义：1．神拣选或弃绝人是按着神预见人的信或不信；2．基督为所有人死，虽
然只有信徒得救；3．人的败坏唯有因着神的恩典，才能得着信心；4．神的恩典可以被
抗拒；5．信徒可能会失落。亚米纽斯... 阅读全帖 |
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 12 引言：
"TULIP" 的五个英文字母是代表加尔文主义 (Calvinism) 的五点基本救恩论立场。
T 代表人的全然败坏（Total depravity）；U代表神对人的无条件拣选（Unconditiona
l election）；L代表有限赎罪（Limited atonement）或特别救赎（Particular redem
ption）；I代表不可抗拒的恩典（Irresistible grace）；P代表信徒永远不会失落（P
erseverance of the saints）。
加尔文主义的五点救恩论教义，是回应亚米纽斯主义（Arminianism）所题出的五点
救恩论教义：1．神拣选或弃绝人是按着神预见人的信或不信；2．基督为所有人死，虽
然只有信徒得救；3．人的败坏唯有因着神的恩典，才能得着信心；4．神的恩典可以被
抗拒；5．信徒可能会失落。亚米纽斯主义的救恩论教义是基於神的主权不能与人的自由
及责任配合，救恩有赖人的信心方能成就。
一． 人的全然败坏
加尔文主义认为因着亚当的过犯，死就临到众人。1 人没有能力靠着自己相信福音
。对於神的事情，罪人像死人、瞎子、聋子一样。... 阅读全帖 |
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 13 引言：
"TULIP" 的五个英文字母是代表加尔文主义 (Calvinism) 的五点基本救恩论立场。
T 代表人的全然败坏（Total depravity）；U代表神对人的无条件拣选（Unconditiona
l election）；L代表有限赎罪（Limited atonement）或特别救赎（Particular redem
ption）；I代表不可抗拒的恩典（Irresistible grace）；P代表信徒永远不会失落（P
erseverance of the saints）。
加尔文主义的五点救恩论教义，是回应亚米纽斯主义（Arminianism）所题出的五点
救恩论教义：1．神拣选或弃绝人是按着神预见人的信或不信；2．基督为所有人死，虽
然只有信徒得救；3．人的败坏唯有因着神的恩典，才能得着信心；4．神的恩典可以被
抗拒；5．信徒可能会失落。亚米纽斯主义的救恩论教义是基於神的主权不能与人的自由
及责任配合，救恩有赖人的信心方能成就。
结论：
亚米纽斯主义认为救恩的成就是因着神与人共同合作的成果, 神主动发出呼召, 而
人必需作出回应. 不是神, 而是人, 最终决定谁人得着... 阅读全帖 |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 14 发信人: Godwithus (神与我们同在), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: 加尔文五点TULIP的圣经根据 转载
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Sep 17 03:19:01 2011, 美东)
引言：
"TULIP" 的五个英文字母是代表加尔文主义 (Calvinism) 的五点基本救恩论立场。
T 代表人的全然败坏（Total depravity）；U代表神对人的无条件拣选（Unconditiona
l election）；L代表有限赎罪（Limited atonement）或特别救赎（Particular redem
ption）；I代表不可抗拒的恩典（Irresistible grace）；P代表信徒永远不会失落（P
erseverance of the saints）。
加尔文主义的五点救恩论教义，是回应亚米纽斯主义（Arminianism）所题出的五点
救恩论教义：1．神拣选或弃绝人是按着神预见人的信或不信；2．基督为所有人死，虽
然只有信徒得救；3．人的败坏唯有因着神的恩典，才能得着信心；4．神的恩典可以被
抗拒；5．信徒可能会失落。亚米纽斯... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 15 Chapter 1.6 The Blood And The Believer’s Access
The Blood has satisfied God; it must satisfy us also. It has therefore a
second value that is manward in the cleansing of our conscience. When we
come to the Epistle to the Hebrews we find that the Blood does this. We are
to have “hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience” (Hebrews 10:22).
This is most important. Look carefully at what it says. The writer does not
tell us that the Blood of the Lord Jesus cleanses our hearts, and then stop
there in h... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 16 chapter 11.1 A Gate And A Path
Recognizing a number of such phases in the life and experience of a believer
, we note now a further fact, namely that, though these phases do not
necessarily occur always in a fixed and precise order, they seem to be
marked by certain recurring steps or features. What are these steps? First
there is revelation. As we have seen, this always precedes faith and
experience. Through His Word God opens our eyes to the truth of some fact
concerning His Son, and then only... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 17 Chapter 1.6 The Blood And The Believer’s Access
The Blood has satisfied God; it must satisfy us also. It has therefore a
second value that is manward in the cleansing of our conscience. When we
come to the Epistle to the Hebrews we find that the Blood does this. We are
to have “hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience” (Hebrews 10:22).
This is most important. Look carefully at what it says. The writer does not
tell us that the Blood of the Lord Jesus cleanses our hearts, and then stop
there in h... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 18 chapter 11.1 A Gate And A Path
Recognizing a number of such phases in the life and experience of a believer
, we note now a further fact, namely that, though these phases do not
necessarily occur always in a fixed and precise order, they seem to be
marked by certain recurring steps or features. What are these steps? First
there is revelation. As we have seen, this always precedes faith and
experience. Through His Word God opens our eyes to the truth of some fact
concerning His Son, and then only... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 19 所长想这么说
加尔文主义五要点
全然败坏（Total depravity）或完全无能力（Total inability），人类由于亚当的堕
落而无法以自己的能力作任何灵性上的善事。
无条件的拣选（Unconditional election）上帝对于罪人拣选是无条件的，祂的拣选并
非因为人在伦理道德上的优点，也非他预见了人将发生的信心。
有限的代赎（Limited atonement）基督釘十字架只是為那些預先蒙選之人，不是為世
上所有的人。
不可抗拒的恩典（Irresistible grace）人類不可能拒絕上帝的救恩，上帝拯救人的恩
典不可能因为人的原因而被阻挠，无法被人拒绝。
圣徒恆忍蒙保守（Perseverence of the saints）已經得到的救恩不會再次喪失掉，上
帝必能保守其揀選的。 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 20 加尔文主义五要点
全然败坏（Total depravity）或完全无能力（Total inability），人类由于亚当的堕
落而无法以自己的能力作任何灵性上的善事。
无条件的拣选（Unconditional election）上帝对于罪人拣选是无条件的，祂的拣选并
非因为人在伦理道德上的优点，也非他预见了人将发生的信心。
有限的代赎（Limited atonement）基督釘十字架只是為那些預先蒙選之人，不是為世
上所有的人。
不可抗拒的恩典（Irresistible grace）人類不可能拒絕上帝的救恩，上帝拯救人的恩
典不可能因为人的原因而被阻挠，无法被人拒绝。
圣徒恆忍蒙保守（Perseverence of the saints）已經得到的救恩不會再次喪失掉，上
帝必能保守其揀選的。
世人=那些預先蒙選之人? |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 21 it is a cult
why I have to study the book of Calvin
I already pointed out the absurdness of Calvinism: total inability, Regenera
tion Precedes Faith, limited atonement...
These Calvinistic doctrines are totally wrong. I have bible to support my v
iews. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 22 I am posting Dave Hunt's book day by day.
firstly, you Calvinists need to prove your peculiar doctrines.
to beat down "totally inability", read this link
http://zhouqianshun2000.blog.163.com/blog/static/12841690320098
to beat "regeneration proceeds faith" and "limited atonement", you can refer
to the book
I am also willing to diccuss any of Calvinism doctrines with you in detail w
ith our own arguments. |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 23 Hi, I'm Italia M. Metts
http://mormon.org/me/4K4C/
Why I am a Mormon
Because this is the church where I have been able to learn the most. Where
all things I have learned in the past about God have become real -- where I
am surrounded with great examples. Where I can have the best examples of
daily living for my minor child -- where God’s standards are not watered
down, but encouraged just as He declared them in the Old and New Testament.
Where those same standards are reinforced clearly for toda... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 24 1:17 The word for (gavr, gar) takes us back to the preceding idea in v. 16 a
bout the gospel being the power of God for salvation. How is that so? Paul k
nows that the gospel saves because it reveals the righteousness of God (dika
iosuvnh qeou`, dikaiosune theou). We may understand the expression “righteo
usness of God” in a broad sense referring both to God’s saving activity (t
he incarnation/cross/exaltation/Spirit) and the resultant status of those wh
o have been saved; they are now in a righ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 25 1:17 The word for (gavr, gar) takes us back to the preceding idea in v. 16 a
bout the gospel being the power of God for salvation. How is that so? Paul k
nows that the gospel saves because it reveals the righteousness of God (dika
iosuvnh qeou`, dikaiosune theou). We may understand the expression “righteo
usness of God” in a broad sense referring both to God’s saving activity (t
he incarnation/cross/exaltation/Spirit) and the resultant status of those wh
o have been saved; they are now in a righ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 26 what's problem with you?
My comments are here:
发信人: Reo ( 神 愛 世 人), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: John 17 The High Priestly Prayer
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Aug 13 10:22:01 2011, 美东)
*Jesus Prays for His Disciples
John 17: 9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those y
ou have given me, for they are yours.
*Jesus Prays for All Believers
John17:20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will b
elieve in me through their message,
We need to pay attention to what Jesus ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 27 jym0237, you explain this verse.
1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours
but also for the sins of the whole world. |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 28 jym0237
how to explain this verse regarding the Calvinistic doctrine "limited
Atonment"? |
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j*****7
发帖数: 10575 | 29 http://www.ccel.org/ccel/boettner/predest.v.viii.html
Reformed Doctrine of Predestination
3. THE TERM "WORLD" IS USED IN VARIOUS SENSES
When it is said that Christ died "not for our sins only but for the sins of
the whole world," I John 2:2, or that He came to "save the world," John 12:
47, the meaning is that not merely Jews but Gentiles also are included in
His saving work; the world as a world or the race as a race is to be
redeemed. When John the Baptist said, "Behold the Lamb of God that ta... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 30 you did not answer my question.
do you support "limited atonement"?
I am a confucianist |
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C****i
发帖数: 1776 | 31 第八课 基督的救赎大工
耶稣基督降世，为要拯救罪人，舍命作多人的赎价。“赎罪 Atonement”是指基督
代替罪人接受刑罚，在十架上舍身流血，担当我们的罪孽，为我们偿清罪债。这特别是
基督“祭司职分”的工作。基督的代赎，是神降世最主要的目的，是福音的中心；藉此
，我们与神和好，从黑暗入光明，从死亡入永生。
一、基督代赎的由来与必要
1. 由来
基督代赎的起因，源于三一真神的慈悲大爱：
(1)圣父的爱，约三16；约壹四9-10；罗八32；弗二4-5；
(2)圣子基督的爱，约十三1，十五9-15；罗五8，八35-39；弗三18-19，五2；
(3)圣灵的爱，罗五5；弗四30；来九14。基督代赎的预备，乃是神的美意预定（赛五十
三10；路二14；弗一6-9；西一19-20），是神特别拣选的爱（罗八28-39，九11-18；弗
一3-14，二4-10）。
2. 必要
神本来并无拯救罪人的必要，然而当神定意要拯救我们之后（来二16），基督舍命
流血的代赎就成为绝对的必须（来九22）。因为神是公义圣洁的，对罪（不虔不义）的
反应必然是忿怒（罗一18，二8-9）；罪人若要得救，享受神的恩福，就必须... 阅读全帖 |
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j*****6
发帖数: 1059 | 32 序言
"你要为真道打那美好的仗......。你要保守所托付你的，躲避世俗的虚谈，和那敌
真道、似是而非的学问，已经有人自称有这学问，就偏离了真道！" (提前六12,20,21)
"日光之下并无新事"。今天世上的一切异端，乃是古老异端的再次出现。
古老的异端、邪说曾引诱千万人走向灭亡的路；今日的异端也在照样而行，其名目
之繁多，与工作之广泛，使人吃惊。
本书的范围，只包括在基督教名义之下，一切不合圣经真理的教会团体及其所代表
的教义、信条和学说，不包括基督教以外的其他宗教。这些使用基督教名义，并且含糊
牵强地引用圣经，极具破坏性。"半真理"比"非真理"更能迷惑人。
大体来说，世界上宗教可分两大类：第一类是所谓自救性(Auto Soterism)；这一类
包括一切异教与基督教内之异端邪说。他们的教条虽多，但其基本信念是"救恩来自人"
－人类自己可以救自己。第二类是代赎性(Substitutionary Atonement)；这是基督教纯
正信仰。这信仰的基本信念是"救恩来自神"－人类必须靠真神的拯救。前一类相信人藉
着自己的努力、修行、受苦、诵经、吃素、守特殊节日而得赦；后一类相信救恩是出... 阅读全帖 |
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D**E
发帖数: 280 | 33 limited atonment is so evil |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 34 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/37726/37726-h/37726-h.htm
IN GOD'S WAY
SCHOOL-DAYS
I.
In the melting snow on the hill-side by the sea, in the last rays of the
evening sun, stood a boy of fourteen, awestruck. He looked toward the west,
out across the sea; he looked toward the east, over town and shore and the
broad hills; in the background still higher peaks rose far away in the clear
sky.
The storm had lasted a long time; it had been more terrible, too, than any
the old people could remember. In ... 阅读全帖 |
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I****h
发帖数: 9 | 35 TULIP之研究----神本对人本的凯歌
作者 曼德
本文大纲（约1万1千字）
1. 加尔文主义五要点（TULIP）简介及在加尔文神学中的地位
2. 阿民年主义的历史来源
3. TULIP的神学历史来源
4. TULIP的圣经依据简述
5. TULIP的对基督徒的生命造就
一、加尔文主义五要点（TULIP）简介及在加尔文神学中的地位
作为一个基督教神学思想体系的加尔文主义（Calvinism），是法国著名宗教改革家
、神学家约翰·加尔文及其忠实的追随者们许多主张的统称。这样一个神学体系具有区
别于其他神学体系的鲜明特色，在林慈信、Virginia Yip合撰的《加尔文主义500年历史
回顾》一文中，指出了加尔文主义的5大特色（见台北改革宗出版有限公司《改教家加尔
文》第279页）：
1.忠于上帝的话语、上帝的启示——圣经 （The Word of God）；
2.高举上帝的主权（The Sovereignty of God）；
3.强调上帝的圣约（The Covenant of God ）；
4.宣称基督的普世... 阅读全帖 |
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 36 【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
发信人: Godwithus (神与我们同在), 信区: Belief
标 题: Mormon Beliefs, are they Christian?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 18 21:54:10 2011, 美东)
Mormon Beliefs, are they Christian?
by Matt Slick
There's a lot of discussion about Mormon beliefs. So, in order to make this
easy, I will list out what Mormonism actually teaches. These are not sensati
onalized, and inaccurate statements.
Following documentation from Mormon authors. Finally, please understand tha
t the Mormon Church uses Christian t... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 37 by Dave Hunt
Yes, man is totally unable to contribute one iota to his salvation. It does
not then follow, however, that he therefore cannot receive the salvation fre
ely offered in Christ. It is confusion at this point which creates the doctr
ine of Total Depravity and leads to the remainder of the Five Points. Spurge
on labored under no such delusion.
Calvinists gladly cite Spurgeon for support. There is no doubt that Spurgeon
often declared himself to be a Calvinist, but he frequently made sta... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 38 Study By: Greg Herrick
A. Introduction
Fritz Kreisler (1875-1962), the world-famous violinist, earned a fortune wit
h his concerts and compositions, but he generously gave most of it away. So,
when he discovered an exquisite violin on one of his trips, he wasn’t able
to buy it. Later, having raised enough money to meet the asking price, he r
eturned to the seller, hoping to purchase that beautiful instrument. But to
his great dismay it had been sold to a collector. Kreisler made his way to t
he ... 阅读全帖 |
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r********7
发帖数: 887 | 39 人犯罪是不是神的责任？
一、前言
近几年来，在各地有一股“归正”神学，或叫“改革宗”神学的风潮。他们高举“加尔
文主义”的大旗，宣扬绝对的预定论，以维护神的主权自居。这股风潮所到之处，要么
跟着他们“归正”，走改革宗道路，要么就被他们竭力贬低、打压、定位异类、非正统
，因此各地教会纷纷造成内部冲突、分裂。可以这样说，前些年在国内给家庭教会内部
带来最大伤害的是灵恩派的影响，而近几年带来最大伤害的则是改革宗、“归正”神学
带来的冲击。
改革宗神学带来的冲击说到底还是从海外传进来的，且影响最大的源头有两股。一是号
称“新兴基督教国家”，同样给中国带来很大灵恩派冲击的韩国，另一个是某些海外华
人传道人、神学家的极力推广。因为韩国早年曾有长老会宣教士的驻扎，带出一些长老
派的教会，到今天长老派教会走向了两个极端：
一个极端是走向“不信派”的道路，传讲社会福音、新派神学、否定圣经的权威、否定
童女怀孕等神迹，他们把耶稣当成一个伟大的道德楷模而已。他们发扬了加尔文神学的
“无千禧年派”错误观点，否认圣徒被提、否认大灾难和随后主耶稣作王的千年国度将
会真正来到，甚至有人说耶稣早已第二次再来了（Pre... 阅读全帖 |
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r********7
发帖数: 887 | 40 罪魁兄好眼力！
罗 3:4 注1 “神必须先使我们信服祂的义，我们才会悔改并信入祂。因此，祂是先被
我们称义，然后，我们才被祂称义。”这处论述按《加尔文预定论》是无法解释的，这
是两大神学体系冲突的地方。然而，越是在这样的冲突里，煎熬中，我们越是需要自己
求问主的道。我们越是容易在这里看见主的容光。
这两大思路已经在我心里争战四天了，感谢主，现在我里面的“关节”已经打通。主给
了我一个看见：《神完整的救恩论》已经含盖了《加尔文五点预定论》！
先请看《加尔文五点预定论》：
1，罪人全面的堕落(the total depravity of the sinners)﹔
2，上帝无条件的拣选(the unconditional election of the Father)﹔
3，基督限定的代赎(the limited atonement of Christ) ﹔
4，圣灵不可抗拒的施恩(irrestible grace of Holy Spirit) ﹔
5，圣徒恒忍蒙保守(the perseverance of saints)。
然而，上述5点与《神完整的救恩论》里的“法理的救赎”部分完全... 阅读全帖 |
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r********7
发帖数: 887 | 41 本帖最后由 任大先生 于 2011-11-7 05:05 编辑
罗马书恢复本 3:4 注1 有个论述：神必须先使我们信服祂的义，我们才会悔改并信入
祂。因此，祂是先被我们称义，然后，我们才被祂称义。这处论述按《加尔文预定论》
是无法解释的，然而从《神完整的救恩论》就很容易解释，为什么？我祷告和苦思的结
果是：李常受的《神完整的救恩论》已经含盖了《加尔文5点预定论》！而且罗马书恢
复本 3:4 注1里的问题，是在《救恩论》里（生机的拯救部分）得以解释的。
先请看《加尔文五点预定论》和“法理的救赎”的关系：
1，罪人全面的堕落(the total depravity of the sinners)----我们没有能力去主动
认识神的救赎，然而神的大爱，使独子耶稣的受难与复活，做了赦免了我们罪的赎价。
2，上帝无条件的拣选(the unconditional election of the Father)----这个拣选的
“动作”是个“洗罪”的过程，它是无条件的，我们是被神的容光吸引而开始信他，我
们自己没有做工，也没有值得夸耀的地方。
3，基督限定的代赎(the limited aton... 阅读全帖 |
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r********7
发帖数: 887 | 42 ---Paul Washer
“At this moment, God command all men to repent and belive,that today is the
day of Salvation that you are to flee from the wrath, to flee from the law
of Moses to comdemns you into the city of rufuge who is Jesus Christ our
lord. Run to him!
Repentance is simply giving up, stop to fight against Jesus Christ, and stop
attempting to gain your own salvation through your own works, to literally
give up and fall upon Christ--that is Salvation.
So that you say "Nothing in my hands I... 阅读全帖 |
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w***y
发帖数: 377 | 43
已经回答了,you just dont get it.
你是不是想问limited atonement的问题？ |
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w***y
发帖数: 377 | 44
已经回答了,you just dont get it.
你是不是想问limited atonement的问题？ |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 45 。。们
Before the Common Era
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Simon of Peraea (c. 4 BCE), a former slave of Herod the Great, who
rebelled and was killed by the Romans.
Athronges (c. 4-2? BCE), a shepherd turned rebel leader of a rebellion
with his four brothers against Herod Archelaus and the Romans after
proclaiming himself the Messiah. He and his brothers were eventually
defeated.
1st century
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Jesus (ca. 4 BCE - 30 CE), in Galilee and the Roman province of Judea.
Jews who believed him to be the... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 47
呵呵，不知内情的人看了，的确好笑，可是，他跟其他人犯了同一个错误--就是
misrepresenting other people's religions belief.
There is baptism for the dead, all that does is allow the baptized person to
exercise their free will to join the church, it does NOT make them a church
member. It allows unbaptized dead to take advantage of the atonement, if
they choose to.
拿这个录像的例子，罗姆尼的岳父在灵的世界，可以选择信耶稣，也可以选择不信，继
续保持他原来的信仰状态，两种情况都有可能发生---因为他有神赐的选择权。 |
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C*****e
发帖数: 367 | 48 海德堡要理问答主日15
来自CCWiki中国基督徒百科(Godwithus神同在网)
目录
1 英文版
2 英文2011版
3 赵中辉版
4 陈达/王志勇版
5 基督教要义圣经课程版
6 参考链接
英文版
15. Lord's Day
Q. 37. What dost thou understand by the words, "He suffered"?
A.
That he, all the time that he lived on earth, but especially at the end of h
is life, sustained in body and soul, the wrath of God against the sins of al
l mankind: (a)
that so by his passion, as the only propitiatory sacrifice, (b)
he might redeem our body and soul from everlasting damnation, (c)
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C*****e
发帖数: 367 | 49 【 以下文字转载自 Church 俱乐部 】
发信人: CCBible (神同在圣经), 信区: Church
标 题: Glossary to the Westminster Confession
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 24 21:16:33 2012, 美东)
Glossary to the Westminster Confession
Explanations of all archaic and uncommon words, usages, and expressions, in
the order in which they occur.
Title Confession. n. Public statement of religious beliefs.
1.1 Providence. n. Divine care. Manifest. v. Show. Are they. idiom. T
hey are. Unto. prep. With regard to. Sundry. adj. Separate. D... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 50 ZT from blog: http://www.mitbbs.com/user_info/SEEKETERNAL/f512b9694c58447f60825a2ff8734fb4
This article in the blog has been censured by MITBBS.
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有道可传﹐以经解经﹕
建立一套认信的神学的迫切性
林慈信（增订版）
导论﹕给华人教会的紧急呼吁
两千年教会史告诉我们：主基督的教会继续不断成长前进，同时也面临世界接二连三的
挑战。五花八门的试探，想要引诱教会在信仰生活事奉各方面姑息妥协，顺应世界潮流
。然而，教会付上血泪代价至死忠心，竭力持守护卫『从前一次交付圣徒的真道』。「
后现代主义」已经席卷整个世界，男女老幼已不再相信有绝对的真理，众人根据自己主
观经历来看《圣经》，自说自话众说纷纭。情感居首经验挂帅，教义不明真道不彰。因
此，在教会内外生灵涂炭，人心饥渴寻求救世真道，即《圣经》所启示的全面福音真理
。华人教会正值此跨世纪的关键时刻，再次面临承先启... 阅读全帖 |
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