h*******s 发帖数: 3932 | 1 我把你们的badbeats都存精华区了,以供后人观瞻。。呵呵。。
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 2 yes, i believe AC and LV have the same standard.
if it's badbeat jackpot eligible casinos, it could be capped at $4+1, with
that extra $1 going to jackpot.
this rake is why low stake (2/4L, 3/6L, or 1/2NL) sucks, plus tips, over
time, it's a lot.
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 3 in vegas, or at least at ballys and flamingo, the jackpot (badbeat and high
hand) is from the house, so no rake is taken for that. but of course, it's
much smaller, in thousands, unlike those XXXk high ones.
haha, still like the $250 royal flush bonus i got last time. if it happens
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t*********d 发帖数: 3398 | 4 发现我们Local一个小赌场badbeat jackpot到了$30k+。 这个是不是很多? 还说一周
内best hand给一个LCD TV。
上周六去了, 结果LD没带ID, 不让进。 然后里面只有5张桌子, 要等1个小时, 就
离开了。 准备哪天再去碰碰运气。 |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 5 lol, you can't be this suspicious.
some other similar myths:
1) if i cash out, my luck would suck (because FTP doesn't like it);
2) if i get 10 badbeats in a row, my luck will turn around big time;
3) if my cat sits next to me, i get nuts;
4) if someone says gl, i'll be sucked out;
...
no, i like weekends, with big traffic.
yes, maybe you should date a girl on sat. instead. |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 6 i was surprised to see this change too after i increased my aggression level.
actually for some latest sessions, it was even higher, but i'd keep low
profile until i have 100K+ stats.
one major thing i'd say is that i stop blaming on badbeats, yes, i could
lose 3 buy-ins a day due to bad luck, but if i control the other 3 tilt
losing buy-ins, i'll not be in really that bad shape. i got lucky too
sometimes, and with stealing/re-stealing, i can cut the loss to, say, 2 buy-
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s****i 发帖数: 30 | 8 It happens. I have straight flush badbeat by royal flush in a MTT yesterday,
got frustrated and soon lose all.
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s**h 发帖数: 262 | 9 I played at Delaware Park Friday and Saturday. 2/5NL is not a time game, 10%
max rake to $4, plus $1 for the badbeat jackpot. 5/10NL is $6 per half hour
, with no max buy-in.
Overall the room is very nice, but a lot of the dealers are very slow. The
tables do not have cup holders, little or no leg room for the corner seats.
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s*********r 发帖数: 4210 | 10 good story to read indeed. He didn't get badbeat, and lost in a flip
situation, which is key to his success. |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 11 我今天在FTP玩了半天,先是一连串赢,然后一连串输.屁也没挣到.全他妈大牌被小牌吃.
在我自己的pokeroom这几天ROI能到50%+.
对比一下觉得在FTP玩的人真可怜.就是替FTP打工啊.那个rakeback不是就等于做推销员的拿的提成吗?
要说FTP牌手的水平也不见的比其他地方高多少.就是特能badbeat你. |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 12 呵呵,不是自相矛盾么,一边说FTP搞鬼,一边说自己在FTP HU如何牛。
你去问问durrr怎么从$100发家的,问问gboro780怎么在FTP,PS同样优秀的战绩,最差
,问问fcf人家的看法。
俺前面就说了,俺们就是fish,在俺们下面可能还有点小虾米可吃,大家进步都很快,
俺们不提高就是小虾米。不承认自己水平不够,拿badbeats, rigged来遮羞,你去2+2
看看,这样的玩家成千上万,live poker room外面抽烟的那一群,个个都跟祥林嫂似
的骂牌怪,骂对手驴...就很少听见有人说,我几手关键的牌打错了,错在哪,可能
怎么打更好,我的水平在这个级别还是不行...玩扑克的人ego都太过了,自己还不知道。
实话实说,你太过于自信了,也偏激了。不过还是那句话,做你有信心的事情,不信
FTP,不信online对具体个人未必是坏事,祝你live赢钱,呵呵。
A80
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c***a 发帖数: 309 | 13 this remind me of my first trip to caesars AC in 2008 when I don't know
anything about badbeat jackpot. I was dealt TT vs someone's AA. flop ATT and
both went all in and showed down. everybody in the table was screaming "ace
, ace" and I was like what's going on with those guys and why they all want
me to lose my whole stack lol.
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c*****a 发帖数: 447 | 15 why stop going? it is going to be like playing rush table. with so many
tables so many hands. badbeats everywhere. :)
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 16 只要你不tilt,badbeat几次没什么,什么时候上你家,看你online live 呵呵 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 17 我今天网上打几个小时badbeats有30多次。
你因为下的注大,所以觉得惨。总共也就三个而已。
fryking
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 18 no, the research is done by a cornell grad student, PS gave him access to
millions of players data, yes, 88% (or 85%) of players are losers in the
long term. since there're so many tracking sites/software now, if you google
and do more research, you might get similar results.
for small stakes, it's really hard to beat the rake and your ever improving
opponents/drying fish pool. without rakeback, even more ppl like myself
might get onto the losing side.
for live small stakes, it might be even wor... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o 发帖数: 4896 | 19 我当时同时3个tourney被badbeat,气死了 |
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h*******s 发帖数: 3932 | 20 很多时候到了river对方的range并不是很难读,但难就难在我不知道对方是level几,
是不是会call我的bluff,所以很多时候也不敢弄。
下面这手CO很loose,我3bet,其实有点isolate的意思,准备让他call的(3bet得有点
多了),但SB call进来我觉得不妙。
flop大家都check,turn上SB bet不多,CO call后,我感觉肯定落后的,大概都是比我
大的overpair,要按一般情况我会fold,可今天前面比较衰,让人badbeat好几次,突
然就想,call了等set吧,虽说没剩多少筹码了。
没想到river是张A,而且前面两人都check。我立刻排除AA,AK也几乎不可能撑到现在
,所以我没犹豫,allin。SB很快fold,CO想了好一会儿fold。我的range太窄了,AK不
像,AA前面不bet?我都不知道他们会认为我是什么牌。。但是他们可能不想level自己
太厉害,干脆fold了。
这手牌到了NL100估计会死得很难看。
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 play... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 21 good comeback, but i think 我再次很顽强地扳回来 might be a big tilting
factor, on day X, what if you can't? spend another 8 hours or double the
loss?
i used to be like this in live, on day 1 when i first arrived, i played
loose donk and dug a hole of 1K+ easily (not even by badbeats at all),
then i had to spend another full day to just "come back", by the time
i left, it looked like i got a huge stack, but it's all my own money if
not short of some. i was tilting and believed i could not go home with a
lo... 阅读全帖 |
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t********t 发帖数: 5415 | 22 当然这也是实话,不过做好碰到各种degenerate的准备...捞鱼固然开心,badbeat也会
变多,tilt
了就不好玩了... |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 23 10%, capped at $4.
yeah, maybe $12/hr is not as bad as i thought, or maybe i didn't realize it,
hehe.
because they can deal about 20+ hands/hr with machine. it used to be 13 when
they first opened and with a lot of new dealers. i remember 13 because one
dealer from another casino was laughing because at his own casino, he could
do 16 without machine. i noticed recently:
1) they might get rid of some slow/old dealers, and hire better ones;
2) they don't change decks/refill chips as often as in AC... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********r 发帖数: 4210 | 24 DP sounds better. I heard they have badbeat now, right? only need to pay
more toll fee for me to go there this weekend. carpool, anyone? |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 25 建议平常心,不要太较真,把输钱的时候当作是看电影一样的娱乐消费掉了,出去旅游
一趟还动不动上千,好几千,是不?
否则就是和自己过不去。作为业余live选手,俺们不可能从量上大幅提高,要说
badbeats轻松面对,也是假话。咱跑一趟,坐半天,多少还是有些期望值的,真一盆冷
水浇头上,郁闷不可避免。要听?出门听那群抽烟的,个个都在抱怨驴多蠢,自己多背
,一年365天,哪天都不少。周而复始,唠唠叨叨,廉价同情。
此外,别指望稳定赢钱,咱没那么大的edge,可以轻易抵消swings。这东西就是一个智
力游戏,99.99%的人都发不了财的,即使是小财。
桌子不理想就换,毛驴未必是你今天的晚饭,象俺周末碰见的韩国人,俺是真想啃它几
口,可是桌子换了几个人,风头变了,从风格和相对position来讲,俺都没有胜算卷进
去,cash out开路就是了,打个几小时,其实驴也知道咱几分,没那么蠢。
不tilt脑袋热掉,再进去3 buy-ins,就是进步,回家,就象看电影也不都是喜剧或者
咱想看的结局。
donk
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 26 建议平常心,不要太较真,把输钱的时候当作是看电影一样的娱乐消费掉了,出去旅游
一趟还动不动上千,好几千,是不?
否则就是和自己过不去。作为业余live选手,俺们不可能从量上大幅提高,要说
badbeats轻松面对,也是假话。咱跑一趟,坐半天,多少还是有些期望值的,真一盆冷
水浇头上,郁闷不可避免。要听?出门听那群抽烟的,个个都在抱怨驴多蠢,自己多背
,一年365天,哪天都不少。周而复始,唠唠叨叨,廉价同情。
此外,别指望稳定赢钱,咱没那么大的edge,可以轻易抵消swings。这东西就是一个智
力游戏,99.99%的人都发不了财的,即使是小财。
桌子不理想就换,毛驴未必是你今天的晚饭,象俺周末碰见的韩国人,俺是真想啃它几
口,可是桌子换了几个人,风头变了,从风格和相对position来讲,俺都没有胜算卷进
去,cash out开路就是了,打个几小时,其实驴也知道咱几分,没那么蠢。
不tilt脑袋热掉,再进去3 buy-ins,就是进步,回家,就象看电影也不都是喜剧或者
咱想看的结局。
donk
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D*A 发帖数: 1169 | 27 打的不错,
不过对Bad Beat一定要想的开,像你这样隔了桌子的就不说了,
比如你这把上厕所,然后发出了Bad Beat,没你的份。。。
其实,假如你在,那么因为多了一个人,发的底牌公共牌就会错开。 就算———你离
桌了依然给你deal in,那么一个人在椅子上和不在椅子上这完全是两种量子态,dealer
洗牌,或者切牌将会完全不同。
所以,无论以何种方式错过badbeat,除非是dealer已经发完底牌,都不必遗憾。因为任
何你的细微行为,不管是说一句话,看dealer眼,离开座位等等都将对发牌产生重大影
响而使得bad beat根本不会发生。-- 蝴蝶理论。
换句话说,如果你换到5/5,那么从换桌的那个moment,这个宇宙上几乎所有的有概率事
件,将会与已经发生的完全不同。这当然包括从那个moment之后5/5桌上发出的每一手
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 28 俺们都是奔着badbeat去的,其实flop他已经看出俺是gutshot royal flush或者top
set Ks,俺也很清楚他只能是JJ...俺们带着小pot没劲的崇高信念,认真的chase了下
去。
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l***q 发帖数: 62 | 29 你在winstar打牌吗?有时间可以约好同一天去。
这牌preflop已经70了(winstar的抽水是5,另加1刀badbeat drop),在1-2的常规
stack里面,底三条是没有fold空间了,即使顺面,即使4人锅。只需对比现在raise AI
和平跟即可。
下注20和平跟的,很难想象他们有什么牌能跟进来。我猜他们多半要fold。
你没有说加注100的MP的形象,但初步猜测,他是两对/顺子/暗三,或者比较donk的AQ/
KQ(给40%权重吧),暗三权重也应该小一点,因为preflop他只是limp-call。但我也
见过许多人这么打KK,preflop隐忍,等到翻牌没A再发力。
这样看来,主要针对对象是天顺和两对/KK/AQ。如果他是两对/KK/AQ,那么出来9/10你
恐怕难以再捞到他的价值。vs天顺你即使现在全进,吃亏也并不太多,因为一则你有30
%+的赢率,二是即使你平跟,转牌你没中,你那时赢率降到22%但仍然是跟之无味弃之
可惜。与其22%的时候艰难决定,不如30%多的时候主动commit。所以我觉得直接全进好
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y******i 发帖数: 25 | 30 其实我哪天quad 2次……可惜都不赢钱
全靠badbeat赢了……回家面壁去 |
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T********n 发帖数: 528 | 31 Hah man that's the worst feeling - to watch Fish play bad, badbeat you, and
then burn your chips by just losing easily to other players.
The family thing is a good point though. Countless times LP and I watch
people who don't look very rich and just come for a little fun, lost control
, and end up making multiple trips to ATM/cash-advance. Always wonder what
they will go back and tell their family or how this might effect their life.
..
So I feel bad taking their chips, but then I tell myself ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 32
7 buy in downswing是很正常的,但是被3bet了几次开始tilt,尤其是有position的情
况下,就很不应该了。从lz以前的帖子看,lz的技术应该是没有问题的,但是很可能
tournament和6max的dynamic不一样吧
其实感觉lz在“第四把我用ato 4bet overshove反推他100bb”的时候就tilt了。ATo面
对wide 3b range且有position的时候绝对是应该call的。其次4b bluff fold to 5b也
还可以。4b all-in是很大的一个leak。
感觉我认识的很多人仅仅把tilt看作是emotion的问题而不是技术的问题,这是不对的
。举个例子来说,如果我现在去打NL20,不管出现什么情况我都不太可能tilt,因为对
手的move基本都在意料之中。但是上周末打NL200打了没几手牌,在没有任何bad beat
的情况下,就觉得情绪有点失控,因为明显感觉对手在利用position exploit我,而我
没有很好的应对的办法。这种情况下一般我就换桌或者不打了。
即使桌上的reg skill edge不是很大,... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 33 ^_^ 楼主别太介意哈 哥也是被人叫鱼叫到现在 不也还活着么
顺道说下哥的理解
1 既然打的是5c/10c,哥默认楼主并不真的介意最后输赢多少钱,那就好办了 ^_^
2 既然对手无论如何都喜欢call,并且只看自己的牌,那就只玩大牌,并且在拿到大牌
时,在前两条街下非常非常重的注,river可以看牌面/对手情况而定(所以建议stack
不要太深)
3 前两条街不要bluff,river在天时、地利、人和的时候可以适当bluff,如果楼主
bluff会紧张的话,记得带hood
4 对上这样的对手 因为策略变的很简单 其实打牌的乐趣少了一大半 要相信你的打法
没有错 要心理默念 “他是鱼 我能赢”
5 被人bad beat、suck out其实真的真的很正常。即使连着被badbeat 3到4把,输个
300bb到400bb,也要坚信,你的打法没错,心里默念“他是鱼,我能赢”。但是输了之
后,失去信仰,打法变形,开始用烂牌跟对手赌的话,那就完了,准备光屁股回家吧。 |
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h**n 发帖数: 981 | 34 in maryland live, ace full of 10 has mini badbeat, make your decision that
much easier, lol |
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c*****t 发帖数: 817 | 35 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请教一手牌 我操。这把牌发的太恶心了。没badbeat jackpot? |
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c*****t 发帖数: 817 | 36 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请教一手牌 我操。这把牌发的太恶心了。没badbeat jackpot? |
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h**n 发帖数: 981 | 37 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请教一手牌 一般bad beat都要四条以上吧,不过在live会中个mini badbeat |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 38 1C/2C home game
villain is a long term gambler, doesn't care about anything and just won a
series of badbeat in half hour. 30%+ pfr and very aggressive.Now he has
350bb stack(hero covers villain) and comes this hand.
Hero with AKo limp at utg, all limp to BTN villain, who raise to 10bb as
usual.Big blind short stack shoves with 25bb.
Hero tanked and call.
Villain reshove 300+bb. Hero? |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 39
mm老湿说笑了
哥钱没赚多少 但是内心倒是变得更强大了
就昨晚10分钟内 被badbeat挂2个tourney 3桌cash被4outer了 哥也只是笑笑 继续玩
妹泥丫克style还真得看情况,事实上,哥发现,只有在桌上majority都是weak tight
的情况下,妹泥丫克style才最合适。 |
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l*****r 发帖数: 2123 | 40 没有这些赌徒, 就1个小时不到30手,那些pro怎么能生存。
没有这些badbeat, 又哪来这么多赌徒。 |
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w***w 发帖数: 6301 | 41 我最近在想为什么鱼都跑到bovada去了?regular都跑到WPN去了?
因为这两个赌场的不同政策有意造成的。
WPN:能用软件,鼓励多台,鼓励high volume players(通过rakeback和beast)。
bovada:不能用HUD,没有rakeback。
除了这些还有没有其他?
假设bovada调整badbeat的概率,让落后的牌追上的概率提高,这对winning players是
最大负面因素。我不是说bovada现在是这样做的。我是说这种事只能猜,你不能确定,
也不能否定。
本班两个高手从bovada撤退,一个是完全因为这个原因,另一个,这个原因也占了相当
比重。
看看bovada的姐妹公司betonline(同一个老板):
http://www.safestpokersites.com/chico-poker-network-warning/
Chico Poker Discourages Winning Players
It seems that harassing winning players is becoming more and more norm... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8 发帖数: 3281 | 42 Great news for US players!
Merge Network has combined their player pool. What does that mean to you
?? More fish!! Carbon Poker was previously segregated from the ocean of
sportsbetting fish at Sportsbook.com and PlayersOnly.com, but now everyone
shares the same tables. The games are much fishier, so now is the best time
to upgrade to the PTR Premium membership. PTR Premium includes the buddy
list and Table Finder which will point you towards the softest tables.
New BBJ - Merge has also... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 43 9个半小时 算是比较顺的 作为CL压制到最后
先前有五到六桌全部是 nit打法 磨啊磨 然后都是preflop 大pair输小pair busto
严重怀疑 bovada badbeat失衡是设定在周末的 这个对tournament grinding简直是致
命的
anyway,bankroll不上不下 希望明天wsop的final satellite会有好运吧 |
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h*******l 发帖数: 252 | 44 我也分享一个我历史上最大的一个badbeat。我有44,flop 44A.对手AA。他在底牌捞到
A. |
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l*****r 发帖数: 2123 | 45 300buy-in , 连偷带抢到600, MP 拿88,raise 12, 5人pot, flop set, BB donkey
bet 25, 一个人call, 我raise到100, 我后面的人call, BB fold, 前面的人all in
, 3家all in, 人家draw 到 royal flash. 一夜回到解放前。
又开始磨, 又到了600, KK raise on button, 前面 fish call, flop Q66, fish
check-raised me all in with Q5, river Q.
又回去了。
后面半个小时中了2次QUADS 总共收了50刀。大牌赢不到钱和2 outs badbeat 一样令人
难受。
还是quit回来睡觉。 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 46 live 1/2 有很多情况下 limp in at utg并不一定是-ev的
采取什么样的打法,跟桌子的dynamic,每个玩家的筹码深度,形象,彼此的历史,有
着极其密切的关系
就这手牌来讲,lz拿顶两对在wet flop上raise/call shove, commit 将近200bb,从
abc角度来讲,略微over play了一点,但是实际上对上over play tptk的对手来讲,是
maximize value的。
但是,我觉得,比起这手牌是不是最后赢了或者是被suckout了,对于正在学习进步的
新手来说,更加重要的在于,不应该由结果反过来审视当初的决定是否正确,或者当初
采取什么样的打法,可以避免这个badbeat。后者是非常非常致命的。
result oriented 容易把玩家引上歪路,玩家无法确立一个正确的评估自己行动的体系
,不停的做出-ev的move而不自知,长期来讲,是不停地donate自己的chips,永远无
法进步,最终degenerate成赌徒。 |
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f******k 发帖数: 34 | 47 嗯,先谢谢。
很多人的看法都是打法没问题,谢谢你提出来的这个 over play。我也有这样的感觉,
是因为我现在知道对手在 flop 上不过是 TPTK,但是当时打牌过程中不知道对手的牌
,我只能通过之前打过的牌,观察猜测对手可能是什么牌,flush draw,TPTK,over
pair,等。我甚至脑子里根本就没能想到对手可能有三条。所以要是头脑清醒的话,我
可能会需要多考虑一小会儿。即使经过考虑我可能还会做出同样的决定。
live 1/2 有很多情况下 limp in at utg并不一定是-ev的
采取什么样的打法,跟桌子的dynamic,每个玩家的筹码深度,形象,彼此的历史,有
着极其密切的关系
就这手牌来讲,lz拿顶两对在wet flop上raise/call shove, commit 将近200bb,从
abc角度来讲,略微over play了一点,但是实际上对上over play tptk的对手来讲,是
maximize value的。
但是,我觉得,比起这手牌是不是最后赢了或者是被suckout了,对于正在学习进步的
新手来说,更加重要的在于,不应该由结果反过来审... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 48 这个帖子很好,很有教育意义
1 home game打打abc就好 weak player 偶尔示强 哪怕是bluff 也给他
2 下意识去抓chips,在绝大多数低级别live game里是强牌信号,但是也有特例,比如
这里,估计是被楼主打毛了
3 如果是觉得对手推过来不好办,而直接选择先推,这是自己心里的那道坎还没过,实
际操作中不确定而先推基本上是-EV的move
4 不要根据结果回过来想,“我要是换种打法就能把对手亮的那两张给打走了”,这种
想法就像大麻,用习惯了,你的双商都降下来
5 情绪不稳定 尤其是遭遇cooler badbeat,就不要再玩了,愤而离桌,比屁股粘着好1
万倍 |
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s**h 发帖数: 262 | 49 说到赌博,历史可长了
在国内读大学和研究生时,打麻将,赢些零花钱
到了美国,没什么人可以聚赌了,后来有了online gambling,白手起家,没存过一分钱,利
用no deposit bonus,玩blackjack和poker,积累了些资本.后来主要玩NL Holdem,虽然
赢钱,但发现online game not very fair,太多赌场设置的trap和badbeat,正好因工作
来到离AC不远的地方,开始实地live game,1/2 NL and 2/5 NL, 一年多战绩还可以,现
在regularly visit AC.
Blackjack也玩,但与赌场赌还是难一些,poker赢钱是王道啊 |
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s**h 发帖数: 262 | 50 I don't play limit games, but I see a lot of old men/women play in Caesars
and they hit the badbeat jackpot several times at the 2/4 table
I guess at 2/4 table, most are bad players, cus good players won't make a
living at this stake |
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