s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 1 I cannot not buyin. I saw ThirtyandStand register one at June 22nd and I
cannot register.
If you see which one everyone can register w/ $30(<100), please tell me the
tourney #. Thanks,
lottery for others.. probably not for you as a MTT expert.. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 2 弱弱的问下：ev这东西和实际winning还是有区别的吧？比如说-10buyin的ev,但是如果
ev本身就已经是up 20buyin了那还有10 buyin的winning入账，只是少赚了啊，还是有
bright side的吧 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 3 各位高手们入门时期碰到的最大的downswing都有多少（占bankroll的%）？这两天输掉
好几个
buyin了...感觉ftp故意rig我... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 normal, only several buyins.
Cash: I lost 800bucks in one day, play 0.25/0.5 6-max.
Get tilted.
HU game: I lost 1300bucks one day by playing super turbo HU, the stupid rake on that day is around 800bucks.(also, get my 4k+ ftp points day)
Sng: play 100chips super turbo satellite sng, lost 1.2k in one hour.
If you get tilted on HU games, it is a catastrophe.
1. As you can see, even durrrr lost 5million in one month.
2. Andrew "luckychewy" Lichtenberger plays HU cash games, his entire
bankroll life |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 5 Several buyin downswing is in the normal range.
Normal speaking, the big downswing could be triggered by several different
conditions,
1. move up level
2. mix up with some new moves
3. get involved in new games
4. play more aggressively
5. tilt
6. bad luck streak
.... |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 6 downswing depends on true winrate + standard deviation
the higher the winrate, the smaller your downswing will be
and the higher the SD, the bigger your swing will be, for example, more
aggressive style yields higher swing than more passive style, PLO yields
higher swing than holdem, fullring swing less than 6max, and 6max less than
HU
30+ buyin downswing is normal but rare, if your downswing hits 50bi,
probably should seriously take a look at your game before contributing it to just luck.
perso |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 So, what will you play here? call the flop bet, fold to turn bet?
I think it is fine to call turn bet,fold to river huge bet.
Usually ppl will tailor the bet size, make the turn bet big enough, and put
you allin on the river.
People can definitely run 3-barrel bluff here with 78s, because they can
represent a narrow range here, and make aq fold there.
Saw "kidpoker" make the same move here with 78s in 10k buyin scoop event.
river
never pot commited if you have more than 1 pot size left at your |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 8 on tilt， 我现在都不敢玩了。连输6个buyin 太容易了，比subscribtion 贵多了 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 9 赞br management思想。但是同样的比例（50+ max buyin）适用于50NL一下的级别吗？
换句话说
如果我现在br是$100,是不是要在NL2刷到￥250再上NL5？
beats |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 should say very nice job. Since you play 25NL last year, it means you get
around 400buyins.
I play cash game recently, it is not easy job, need patience to grind that one buyin.
The only way to get more money is going up levels. King, I guess you can crush 200NL sooner or later.
to be frank, 11k without tax in usa is still a big chunk of income, consider almost 15k pre-tax income.
fact
ll
far |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 11k 还要看花多少时间..
一天一小时.. 很不错.. 一天俩小时, 凑和... 再多, 没十么意思了...如果hourly你挣得还没minimum wage 多, 而且poker变成grind instead of hobby, 不玩也罢, 或者少玩点..
one buyin.
crush 200NL sooner or later.
consider almost 15k pre-tax income. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 12 1 hour/day, to win 1 buyin, it is almost impossible.
NL cash game has some variance in it. Somedays, you win. You will lose in
certain days also.
From my opinion, it is a kind of grind for poker. Especially playing NL cash
game or sng, because even you get a stack in NL cash game, you only get 50$
-200$.
Even big name like durrrr is grinding there also, the only thing diferent is
that their stake is higher, and more variance.
I do not know exactly, but if you can grind and win from poker, it is |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 13 完全不知道自己在干啥...3 buyin in less than 300 hand...基本上一周只赚到
rakeback... |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 16 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 鱼多，速来 昨天NL100鱼太多了，才打了500多手。就挣了3个 full buyin |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 17 haha.
I have 7k in ftp. 6k on doyle.
But their business is so huge, can not shut down.
Today, I play on sportsbook. HU 50NL. lost 6 buyin to one guy on one table.
He is regular, has 1k on one table, another 600 on another table, (,300
bucks are from mine). |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 18 lol
that is why online tourney is profitable.
If you watch high buyin tourney, such as 100$rebuy, everyone is shark.
Almost everyone is very hard to tackle with.
I do not like 77 allin, call with 66 , hmmm. not like it either |
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c***g
发帖数: 36 | 19 不知道怎么了
第一局 AA preflop all in 被 TJ call（不知道他为啥call），flop 789.....
第二局 turn上拿到顺子,all in，被人river card拿到full house
第三局 开始带情绪打了，flop拿到top top后 push 对方 all in，对方66call了， 然
后又拿到顺子:)
本来第一周还赚了快200刀，最近几天输的也差不多了。经常的越运气不好就越瞎打，
赢得很辛苦，输得出奇快。自己也清楚这样不太好，但总是控制不住 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 welcome to the tilt club!
总是控制不住, if you can't, you'll never be good, simple as that. 3 buy-ins
already? stop for the day, NOW. don't fool yourself like "oh, i only played
for 1 hour and why poker god is so cruel to me", or "if i keep playing for
another hour, maybe i can get some back or even win a little bit"...
you don't need to tell us how bad your beats or how donkey your opponents
were, we've all seen/experienced these a lot, you're not the only or last
one.
in a bad day, if you can cut yo |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 21 are you in the tilt club? lol
ins
played
you |
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y**t
发帖数: 205 | 22 There is nothing to tilt about. You should always feel happy when AA preflop
all in got called. Same as 2nd hand when you push and got called. |
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b*********i
发帖数: 26 | 23 let me tell you truth.
all poker site are cheating. That's it.
after you won, the system will intentionally adjust the odd to let you lose.
don't tell me site only earn rake. 92% of players lost money. where they
goes? site owner's pocket.
don't belive books. with software they can do what they want. that's it.
don't belive, keep playing. you will won more but lose more. |
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c***g
发帖数: 36 | 24 AA flop a set, all in, beat by flush today (running spades)
有点无奈,不过这次心态平和多了
preflop |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 25 Lose money?My ROI higher than most players.
SNG HU ROI 24% at current pokeroom, albeit at low buyin.
以前在FTP也有10%.虽然不再在那里玩了.
至于你们对华尔街看法,基本上与FLG相似.完全不懂股市的机制.
it is simply because you are not good enough... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 26 SNG HU ROI 24% at current pokeroom, albeit at low buyin.------ it is almost
impossible. Normally ppl have 3%-5% ROI, that is it.
I play a ton of HUSNG recently, I know that.
Suppose you play 20 games in one hour,
you win 11 games, lose 9 games. That is it.
I do not know how to calculate ROI, but I guess it should be 2 games(profit)
/ 20 games (investment) = 0.1 = 10%
99.999% ppl can not achieve that if the stake fits you.
Suppose you play 30 games, you win 16 games, lose 14 games.
ROI = 2 / 30 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 27 5.25 的 Headsup SNG 根本就没啥,都是些不会打的。我上百场也有 27% ROI.如果2
table 的话， hourly rate 也就十多快点。
打到20 dollar buyin 的话， edge 就很小了。基本上只能5-10% ROI。而且game last
much longer. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 normal
ducku has back to back 500$ buyin tournament win.
halffrek has back to back ftop win(860k Total), in 2 days. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 29 lose 17 games , only win 4 games.
What the heck!!!
consider normal ppl will use 20 buyin as their entire bankroll for HU
$70.00 |
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c*****a
发帖数: 447 | 30 I dont know much about it at all. but since it is career winnings not
career profits. I dont think they took out the buyins. and for the big
winners of any major tournment, I think they always get invited to other
tournments for free. at least that is what I heard.
casinoes have to report all $4000 + winning? I think all those are pobulic
info. they can simply record everything automatically.
tournaments.
minus |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 31 Just check the record's shark365, sounds he can not beat 90ppl KO MTT SNG
anymore??? ---- not very sure though.
check Kennl's record, sounds he can not beat 45PPL MTT sng anymore???
check lamma888's record, sounds he can not beat 180ppl 12$ buyin MTT SNG as
before???
My estimation:
1. Shark365's former winning method does not work that well as before. OR
ppl learn the same method.
2. More and more regulars are involved in those games.
3. Fishes are not that bad as before, they also learn sth.
C |
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e**********e
发帖数: 999 | 32 I am planning to have 2 buyins of $120 each and have fun tonight. 1/3 no
limit here I come. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 33 三天下来我的ev比winning高出4个buyin...今天一天吃掉我2.5buyin...AA preflop
allin被
flop set，QQ vs KQs flop allin被runner-runner flush，99 preflop allin vs AJ
被river 4-card over flush...br被削掉一截...从来没这么背过... |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 34 好吧...我承认另外1个多buyin是自己犯错搭进去的...顺便请教下，3-table rush，一
般vpip/pfr应该在什么样的水平？我是14/10，normal cash我是18/14的样子。
不谦虚的说，现在确实比之前read的水平有长进，有些river big bet能读出bluff了（
当然也有读错lose big的时候） |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 35 现在唯一的慰藉是rakeback能找回一个buyin... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 36 Normal.
I play super aggro. I have one day down 17 buyins record.
Guess you play very cautiously, and those huge downswings will not hit you.
to |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 37 The odds are very rare. I will play it as a regular tourney.
Early double(5$ buyin) is easier, it should be much more easy to get double
final table. I saw one guy won double final table before. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 38 open str8 draw还可以理解，gutshot就恶心了...现在我的ev线应该高出我winning大
概10个
buyin了...URGHH |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 39 说少了，现在EV高出winning 16个buyin... |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 40 Get 200+15 satellite at PS(buyin, 3$, r+a, none). First satellite win at PS.
Guess should not play poker too much. Need break and refreshment in middle. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 41 patpat. It is ULky. It should be 30K GRTE w/ 100+9 buyin.
The final one, you push allin preflop? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 42 It really depends on a lot of stuff. Early Tourney, I will play normal game,
vpip: 15%, pfr: 12%.
Late stage: still depends on table dynamics, if someone 3bet you a lot, I
have to tight up.(vpip: 12%, pfr:12%) If I can run table up, I can loose it
up.(vpip: 70%, pfr:60%).
So, hard to say, usually the lower the buyin, the more likely I can run
table up.
I remember at that tourney I run around vpip:80%, pfr: 80% on the money
bubble. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 43 From my knowledge, it is big money bubble situation, tough decision time.
Generally strategy is to avoid allin situations. You can allin w/27o, or
close to any two random cards, but you can not call so lightly, sometimes
you have to fold AKo. However, you need observe also, if one guy allin every
hand, you have to make marginal calls, since you bleed your chips quickly
in those situations.
Yesterday, I played a token game(15$ buyin ---> 75$ token ), After I
finished it as a bubble, and review th |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 44 原帖： http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/5-1-destroyed-my-bankroll-879948/
几个high stakes 的玩家一起玩 deep 100nl HU， 倒霉的家伙输了7k多， 而且是160
多个 buyin below EV
这里发图不太方便， 大家在原帖里看吧
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full disclosure:
CTS was visiting Magicninja in Montreal and we played some battleship-style
(facing each other with laptops) heads-up while drinking (and cole was also
playing Gus simultaneously at 2k/4k and 3-handed with Tom Dwan and Ivey at
300/600 plo lol).
We also had a bounty |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 45 a few days ago, I watched Gus play PLO HU against Durrrr in two tables (it is like
500/1000 with buyin of $45k), and another table together with Patrick Antonius and
another unknown guy (rich amateur?). gus and durrrr play very wild. at some point,
Patrick simply left with a big stack of around $130K.
and |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 46 david oppenheim-------------I watched WPT before, he has been WPT final
table at least once.
And He played national HU(25k or 50k buyin) championship also.
He play with phil ivey, phil hellmuth together on High stake golf also.
Every one take out 100k to gamble on golf.
shark
to
ones. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 47 david oppenheim-------------I watched WPT before, he has been WPT final
table at least once.
And He played national HU(25k or 50k buyin) championship also.
He play with phil ivey, phil hellmuth together on High stake golf also.
Every one take out 100k to gamble on golf.
shark
to
ones. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 48 ELKY play 500$---1000$ buyin level SNG, but the skill of those players on
those stakes are way better than him, he lost huge amount of money. It is
mysterious number. I guess maybe he lost 200k/month. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 49 But a lot of regs gets huge beat also. A lot of NL400 players lost all their
previous profit. (Some ppl said before, a lot of cardrunner coaches has no
winnings for over 1 year. Some just lost their live winnings, 1 million+
dollars.)
Those High buyin HU players has ridiculous swings also, they can lose 1/3 of
their live winnings. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 50 Yes. I chat with him before, he is a college student, currently maybe
graduate this summer.
He lowers his buyin significantly. |
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