d**********6
发帖数: 145 | 1 是的。好像MPS每年都晚一点。
CBET Catalysis和DMR SSMC都开始有人收到拒信了。 |
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w****c
发帖数: 2667 | 2 comcast channel 99: cbet |
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B****a
发帖数: 1526 | 3 我在Ann Arbor, Comcast的listing上99台是CBET-9 (CBC)，而CBC是直播开幕式的。
但现在还没法confirm... 希望真的如此，呵呵～ |
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y**********i
发帖数: 89 | 4 ESL有种课程CBET,可以从网上查到，在一些小学内，我们原来去的是clairemont的
field elementary school,每周1和3的上午，有专门的老师带小孩，妈妈可以上口语课
，也属于ESL系统的，秋季9月8号开课 |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 6 how often does this guy cbet?
whats his preflop raise percentage?
what's his aggression factor? especially on the turn and river?
any history between you two?
8 |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 7 forgot to add the read:
luckboxerz: tight, play 18% of the hands and raise 9%. no history between us.
winnerbyanos: loose passive fish; I've been raising and isolating him a lot.
He fold to cbet very very often and when he his something he lead out. I'm
pretty sure he has at least 2 pairs here. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 1/2NL, live in AC.
one in the first couple hands, got 8c9d on button, UTG+1 (chip leader, ~$800
) bet $7, two callers, i called too.
flop: AcQcJc. UTG+1 made a weak cbet for $7, 1 caller folded, 1 called, i
called.
turn: 7s. UTG+1 checked, caller checked, i checked.
river: 2d. UTG+1 checked again, caller checked, i thought about bluffing a
little like $20 with my "new" image since both looked like having nothing to
me... well, i didn't.
showdown, i was very glad i didn't waste $20.
UTG+1, KcTc. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 guess you would have to fire again and probe bet about 2/3 pot here to see
his strength.
1) on the flop, he either hits something, or puts you on a cbet with missed
2 high cards. rainbow flop, so his hand range includes:
* on a draw (JQs alike) or AT or JJ alike.
* a set? always possible but you need to find out.
* 2 pair like 9T? most likely he'll raise on flop. he's a regular so you
know better if his pre-flop call with this hand is possible.
anyway, he's waiting to see your action on the turn |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 10 any PP 7 or above can justify call your cbet. i guess bet 1/2 pot to
further find out. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 11 Hope to see you in the game soon. :) I'm learning to fold AA and KK. :)
Could never fold with them before. Don't be surprised to see me play
horribly in the game. Just learned to cbet yesterday and it really works. :
)learned to bet with a drawing hand to win right there and then or for pot
control a few days ago. All the basics. Guess I have to learn tons of new
stuff if I ever make it to the NL25.
t |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 12 sure. AA, KK are actually vulnerable
hands in this game, when they hit trips, usually
you can't get actions unless your opp hits a low trip or two pairs
as well. However, against extremely loose players, they are very good,
you may often stack your opp with AAor KK and you often want to push all in
preflop against them. cbet often works when your image is tight and don't
raise
frequently. Still, in my experience, the most money you make is in the
big hand confrontation and you hold the nut.
:
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 13 I think only two things work at level NL10. Need to look up the numbers to
be sure. Cbet which is more often value bet/semi bluff than pure bluff and
bet on the BTN with any trashy hand to steal the blinds when everyone
folded before you.
And thx for recomanding the poker tracker. It is working wonders on fixing
up my game. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 14 CBet works on micro limit. Does not work on 1/2 NL at all.
Get a ton of repop, I guess most repop is air also.
to
and
fixing |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 15 Do you simply stop cbetting at nl 200?
Even at nl 10, there are a few players starting to play back with nothing
already. I usually keep a note on every one of those that I meet. It is
not easy play against them. The best thing about playing among tons of
calling stations is that it is the best defense against bluffers. But I
expect things would be quite different just up one level at nl 25. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 16 我比较喜欢tight 的table. 在网上我也挑这样的table坐。 主要是我不太会打
aggressive 的 table. I used to play fit or fold which is a major leak.
so I cbet often with nothing nowadays. Now I have to deal with reraise from
others when I have nothing. On a tight table, I usually know what the
reraise means depending on the player who made it. But on a lose table
where everyone tend to be lose and aggressive, it is much more difficult to
read. :( |
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r********r
发帖数: 60 | 17 刚刚结束了Vegas5日行，在这里说说对poker room的印象和此行的经历。出发前带上了
半年来在fulltilt上赢得800刀，可谓是壮志筹筹。
Day 1:
晚上在Flamingo玩了几小时1/2 NL。同桌的人都比较tight, 但有一个loose
aggressive的shark。他基本60-70% preflop reraise to 8-15 with any two cards,
cbet加bluff拿下了很多pot。 有一把他nut flush, river all-in, 另外一个挺tight
的亚裔小子，pocket AA，flop top set, 最后river called his all-in。一把那个
shark就赢了400多刀。 我有一把AA, preflop 4-bet all-in 120刀, 另外一个哥们儿
call with 1010，flop 10,4,3, turn Q, river A。当时真是难以抑制地心跳加速。玩
了5个小时，最后赢了170。
Day 2:
中饭后去了Cesars Palace玩1/3 NL。一次KK对66，一次AA |
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r********r
发帖数: 60 | 18 Based on his betting pattern, I think Ah(K or Q) makes more sense to me
compared to other possible hands like 1010,AhXh. So he cbet on the flop when
missed, picked up a nut flush draw on the turn and pot-sized bet in an
attempt to take down, value bet on the river hoping you would call with a
set or a Q high flush.
On the river, I would shove since if he gets Ahx or Ahxh, it would be almost
impossible for him to lay down. And if he has other hands such as 1010, he
would fold to any raise.
Based |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 19 of course the flop top of his range are sets, but flop texture is very
good for a c-bet to take the pot down. the whole range on the flop i put him
on {AA-99,22,A2,A9,Q9+,air}. air can be AK,AJ,JT,45...etc
i think call here is ok. you can't give up too easily for a reasonable cbet
on this board texture in a 3bet pot.
turn make some draw posible, so now sets want bet out cos they won't get
value if u miss your draw on the river. with JT he may want to slow play for check raise if u float him, {Q9 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 20 我shove turn了
call preflop因为这个是rush game 的bb, 这个3bet我有position,我基本call with
any 2 card 只要stack deep
flop cb, no reason to fold
turn是挺tough的,但是我觉得他over pair或者semibluff的概率大过set, 对我来说,要
么fold要么shove,call not an option.
bb的牌是67 diamond, 他3bet air, flo cbet with air, and turn bet with open
ended straight draw (他没有其他draw), 我shove以后他考虑了一会儿就call了
river blank
我同意老大的分析,turn应该fold, 不过考虑到rush game,而且又是button和bb之间,我
觉得fold和shove close, call我觉得是最坏的,如果river black,他不会call 任何你
的bet,如果river3rd flush或者straight card |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 some more discussion here:
I saw thirtystand and patrickcp both called 3 bets on button with 9 10 and
such and got paid off. It gets me to think whether it is good to play with
odds or implied odds. Which one has more swings. Because i tend to be on the
losing end of that in general that falls for implied odds
The guy 3 beted patrickcp had air, it is not very illustrative, so let us
assume that guy did have an over pair and you hit a middle pair on the flop
and he cbets 2/3-3/4 pot bets, and yo |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 瓶颈问题 MTT不偷简直没法玩，指望关键时候连续拿好牌，还正好有action，这个可能，但是很
渺茫。其实MTT死在768名或者32名，没有什么本质区别，所以早选择时机拼，输了还省
了时间。
倒不一定是LAG，而更象是selectively aggressive，那家伙敢偷，也说明摸透了这张
桌子软，一般没牌不会re-steal。有antes的情况下，偷一把太可观了。而且少数情况
下，一般人有点牌，比如AT，55这样的，可能也只是call，给67这样的牌机会，最后反
而重伤在比如A458x这样的面上，或者让他cbet给fold在K72这样的flop上。
大牌其实大家打法都基本类似，slow play, shove什么的不会差异太大，而偷，如何偷
，偷谁的绝对是水平的分水岭。
around |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23
1，79s在button可以steal了，可能你们桌比较passtive，limp也能看到folp。
postfolp没什么问题。
2 limpers ahead is the reason why I didn't raise. but agree that raising is
a possibility. But i feel it gives the limpers to good an odds to call
unless i raise a lot which turn my hand to a bluff before the flop even.
2，为什么要lead？你打的nl10，donk 60c into 85c? 这么强的donk 如果你的对手没
有A，你连赚他CBET的机会都没有
I use to like check raise here. But nowadays I think bets and call raise is
much better. 1. It won't give him a free card if he indeed pla |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 24 晕， 真是病来如山倒， 当都当不住。
NL200
被人river两次， 一次AK 3bet flop TPTK, cbet and 3/4 pot bet at turn, 对手拿
KQs硬抗到river， 等到了顺子， 搞走我200刀。 进接着另外一次79s跟人limp, flop
279, 2 pairs, BB 领头 bet $10, 其他人fold, 我raise到30， 他call， 然后turn
10, 他继续 bet $32, 我call。 river 8, 他check, 我想不过， pot里面已经$150，
bet $80，他call了， 亮出56o。 我干！！！！ 后面就红眼了， 觉得对手都是
calling station, 不停的raise......
很快就输到总共$1000。
面壁面壁。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 25 "He is betting out strong when you shown weakness."
I don't think his action is based on my weakness.
MP is not a place to cbet and bluff.And two strong bet both preflop and flop
is not a pattern to bluff.
For the second hand I put him on middle pair (99-QQ).
If turn come out a K or A(or J,Q if he is 99 or TT), that will cause him to fold further bet from me.
And yes some one may fold my allin and someone could call.
1 in 5 calling my allin would make allin a better choice.
Rush poker is not li |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 26 patpat. It happened to me also today. The only diff is mine is 10/25NL RUSH.
AND The guy does not only has straight on flop but also straight flush draw!
?
I Cbet and got broken there. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 27 I was at cutoff with 153BB, dealt pocket Ace (nice, or wait, is it gonna be
another lost whole stack makes me freak out and broke my computer screen
hand?)
mp2 limp in, and I raised to 4.5BB, fold to SB, he raised to 11BB
hmmm, a small 4bet against a limper and my raise, what could he have?
I thought for 4bet to 40BB, but I actually called
flop 5T3 rainbow, good flop (at least I feel it's good, it probably missed
most of his range) pot 23.5BB
sb bets 19BB, pretty stand cbet, I called, I was thin |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 是，俗称老三篇。
比较稳健的传统打法，old school，有过时之嫌，但是可以对新学者建立最基本核心理
解有很大帮助。
Harrington是很多关键黑话的发明人，比如cbet, M等等。
扑克近10年变化很大，他们那代人当年，也就是70, 80年代，谁要玩A7s这样的牌都会
认为比较loose，如今的internet kids对这些"陈规"很不屑，对半年前的东西都不感冒。
当然，最终是两者的某种融合。 |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 29 totally agree. for beginner, it is very good for learning the fundamentals.
for example, now I understand cbet, probe bet, etc., not just when to do it
but also why to do it and how to access my hand strength afterwards.
I think I will learn Harrington's old school methods and play a few more
months, and then try to understand the more up-to-date loose plays. Could
you please recommend some books about more loose playing style, i.e., what
books would internet kids read? thanks.
冒。 |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 30 我现在基本不limp。。 还有就是bb sb 对button raise reraise不够狠。。像AJo KQo
，小对，小suity connecter。。这种牌一般我都call了，如果没有hit到很难打。。
cbet失败以后，2nd barrel成功率也不高。。 总的来说如果flop hit不到牌 我就打的
非常非常非常的烂。。 |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 31 现在micro stake bb/100 不管用啊，得从打法上适应tough game ..
c/r cbet 是18% 不知道是高低
board, |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 32 昨天打完一个TURNY之后,SEARCH一下DURRRRR, 发现他在打7/8桌.
我打开三桌都是和ZEEJUSTIN打(100/200).每桌都是ZEEJUSTIN在赢.
看了几分钟, DURRRR bust out at one table.
太多的CBet,ZEEJUSTIN几乎就是在等牌,然后在RIVER beat. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 we only know cbet, are they the same thing? |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 34 I will play a similar way. You bet ahead of him. It is much to better to
lead out with 2/3 pot or 1/2 pot rather than check. If he raises your bet,
you either fold or shove. If call, you can Cbet on turn (this hand). You are
mostly like having the best hand on flop (and turn; I believe you have the
best hand on river at this case; I bet the guy had AJ, Ak or JJ, 1010 alike)
.
You pay to find information (side effect is you win the pot right at flop).
OW, you are totally at dark. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 36 I try to keep my stack size around 60 BB from now on, that worked out pretty
well for me yesterday. The stack size is also important for stealing
attempt. If you have deep stack, one with a deep stack would call you much
more often with the implied odds. And Cbet would work less often once he
hits something. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 37 I tried once there. and Lost one mini buy-in ($80).
I am to get't back somewhere. I found, hard to CBet there.
One hand, MP limp in with 66. I raise 4.5BB (MP+1) with AJ. All fold.
Flop, blanks (two cards over 66. no gut straight draw for him). MP check, I
1/2pot slightly over. MP call.
Turn, blank, I pot and MP call and won the pot with 66.
Wow, hard to believe MP did not fold with 66. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 38 I picked up a 5-game tourney. Buy-in, 1$. Just to practice. 10Min/Level.
It went all well, after two cycles(10 levels), that I found I am
at top 10. Then, later, the game switched from Stud HI to Razz. I was not
aware of that. I picked up two pairs and cbet all streets down(there are
5 streets. BB=1000), and lost 3/4 of total chips. hhahah. Funny to find
out why I did not win. Almost hit money line.
Another lesson is learned. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 39 Anything sucks, MTT, RUsh etc. Playing horriblely. Push w/ middle pair, call
CBet w/ slim draw, call big raise at river w/ TP only.
I am to quit, at least for one week. Need study. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 40 NL2, 3.2k hand(我知道少了点，不过我觉得足够说明问题)，17.8/13.3, 3bet 5.8，
agg
1.9(稍微低了点吧？)，但是non-showdown $是将近-4bi, 看着很不爽...有什么可以解
决的方
法？经常是pf raise, flop cbet, 如果到turn了只有mid pair or lower，no FD on
board)就很难办，2-barrel被call到了river根本不敢再下注，然后就被对手一个大的
bet吓
走...turn上check的话经常会被bet，然后没有odds的fold掉。这还是有position的，
OOP的更难
受，有时候就是被人牵着走...从leakbuster上看说是in-position aggression不足，
river
aggression不足，高手们有什么解决方案？ |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 41 the skill level matters.
Considering 1000NL and 100NL, if raise preflop, still the same 3BB, cbet is
4-5bb. The difference is that opponent is much more aggro, much more
trickier, and no station there. |
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c******n
发帖数: 15 | 42 不知道我这个例子是不是你想看到的：
有一次coach sweating我，NL200 6max, 我flop cbet, 对方比较laggy，我印象
我好像是TT， middle pair,我turn的时候auto continue bet.但是我的coach立刻让我
说出我为什么继续bet。我说可能有比我差的牌还会call，然后他让我说出具体是什么
牌，
我说出几手，都被他一一排除或者discount，然后指出这手牌check induce更好。
其实如果你看过足够的video，这些概念可能都知道，但是自己在打的时候，如果做得
不对，被立刻纠正是很重要的。然后自己要注意哪里是习惯性的错误。 |
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c******n
发帖数: 15 | 43 pre flop: 对于call 3bet with any two的donkey，limp/3bet qq的确不错。正常情况
下，直接open，没有必要这样做。
flop:不需要c/r。 这个flop你无论如何都不会fold。你已经commit自己了，
你有足够的equity。
这种donkey这个flop如果你cbet他有任何东西都不会fold。如果你check他可能check
back很多有很好equity的牌： 78s,89s, JQs, AJ, QK, ATs, A9s, TQs， TKs。
更重要的是，他如果total air，对一个limp/3better，他bluff bet的机会并不大。如果
他有任何poker knowledge，他可能认为你QQ+, AK，这个flop你显然不会c/f。
也就是说，against他相同的betting range，你bet/call,或者c/r都是基本一样的效果
，在
没有多少induce value的情况下，对于他很好pot equity的牌，你白白给了他free
card。如果有special read，认为他一定bluff a |
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c*****a
发帖数: 447 | 44 I feel the same. value bet here is good. also I have this rule that I
dont go all in unless I have the nuts. I'm not sure whether it is + or - EV.
I have this rule set in place because I keep paying peopel off.
also there is a chance that the button simply loves draws and floated a cbet
with Q10.
【 在 sly (伸懒腰) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 45 MＰ i have 9d9h raise 3$
button calls everyone fold.
flop 10c10d 8s pot 7$
i cbet 4.5$ button raise to 10$ what do i do here? we both have 100$ full stack |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 他preflop 不fold还是小心点.. 搞不好他是AA,.可以check到底, 最多flop cbet.. 我有惨痛的教训啊..不值得 bluff your whole stack.. |
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c*****a
发帖数: 447 | 47 I asked because it took me a long time to get comfortable with cbet on just
any flop with any hand.
C
bad |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 48 今天ftp 上的人都象吃了药似的.. 3 bet 4 bet shove一大堆.. 我都不敢偷了...
上来就KK 被AA 灭了一次.. 不过马上AA 灭了一次KK 保本.. 几乎同时AA另一桌被77
preflop miniraise, 我4 bet 后他call.. flop 689. he raise my cbet all in, AA
竟然hold 了.. lucky... 赫赫
好象驴不少啊.. 都来clear bonus了? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 49 Now i come to think of it. Maybe it is not a good idea to fire a cbet after
a 4 bet bluff...If i always check after flop after I someone flat me 4 bet.
Then it is not good to flat 4 bet with AA anymore. because you just give
away 3 free card with your AA..This is based on the assumption that people
will only flat 4 bet out of position with AA KK QQ most of the time, and
will always get it in after flop with a favorable board.. I need to think
more careful about this... If someone 3 bet range is |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 50 这个flop raise应该是commit自己了吧。
i think your hand is too good to be a bluffing hand.
it's a wet board. he can have overpair, or sth like AhQh or TJ or he can put
you on those hands. so I'll go with 3.5:1.
i think it is all in flop, or fold to his cbet if you believes him.
我还不到这个级别。
有没有可能call然后有机会show down呢？不过这种想法也许太weak了。
cal
Ha |
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