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发帖数: 3150 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: brihand (brihand), 信区: USANews
标 题: cruz耸了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 16 14:25:16 2013, 美东)
不filibuster了。如果他要filibuster,那这个deal要到周六才能表决，因为senate
rule.谁信cruz,谁傻瓜！cruz一个普林斯顿，哈佛的精英，玩死tea party. tea party
被刷了，还兴高采烈的庆祝从一个胜利到另一个胜利。
Sens. Cruz, Lee say they won't block deal
Read more: http://thehill.com/#ixzz2huWiJOn8
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发帖数: 10729 | 2 的确不是个简单的回答。
根据1790年的这个是对CRUZ最有力的支持。但是，不少人认为这个natrual born的解释
会是controversial。TRUMP的评估是risk。给CRUZ支招是去法院要求declaratory
judgement。
In terms of the American founding itself, there is no clear support for
either the narrow or the broader interpretation. Those who favor the latter
point to the Naturalization Act of 1790, which states that "the children of
citizens of the United States … shall be considered as natural born
citizens." The act adds an exception, which is that "the right of
citizenship sha... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10729 | 3 的确不是个简单的回答。
根据1790年的这个是对CRUZ最有力的支持。但是，不少人认为这个natrual born的解释
会是controversial。TRUMP的评估是risk，这也是合理的。给CRUZ支招是去法院要求
declaratory judgement。
In terms of the American founding itself, there is no clear support for
either the narrow or the broader interpretation. Those who favor the latter
point to the Naturalization Act of 1790, which states that "the children of
citizens of the United States … shall be considered as natural born
citizens." The act adds an exception, which is that "the right of
citizen... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2575 | 4 大家应该都明白什么是世俗和法治，就不用提了吧？我都说了，我不信教，我当然不会
支持基督教神权统治。我们的分歧在于：我认为基督教神权统治绝对绝对没有任何可能
会发生，今年是2016年，1776年都没有发生的事情，在今天的2016年，性别都可以自定
义的社会，基督神权不会发生；你大概也同意这点，但是你隐隐约约觉得“神棍”上台
了，就会有怎样怎样的害处，问你详细，你又不肯说。
所谓的极左，如斯大林，毛，波尔布特，当然邪恶
极右，如希特勒，沙特等伊斯兰国家，当然也很邪恶。
今天的美国社会，是个严重偏左的社会，坐标原点严重左移，也就是说，正常的中间派
会被称为右派，正常一点的右派会被称为极右，拿Cruz来说，他不过就是个虔诚点的基
督徒，被称为极右，Cruz这样的极右跟沙特那种真正的极右是一回事吗？
在这个严重往左偏的国家，有个右派稍微往右拉一拉，我不觉得是坏事。
你觉得 Cruz上了，真推行他的 “极右”路线，到底会有什么害处呢？ 举一个具体例
子看看好不好？
担心危害美国的“世俗”状态？ 美国本来就不是真正严格意义上的世俗，真正的世俗
怎么可能会让穆斯林包头女赢得A&F官司呢？
奥巴马往左搞... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 480 | 5 Hannity辩论那天马上找的是Trump，给他说了不少好话。转天找Cruz也很正常。中立吗。
Limbaugh昨天在radio里被扁了：
Rush got SLAMMED GOOD yesterday by a woman who called in telling him "why
don't you just endorse Cruz" and went on to say how and why we the people
are behind Trump "we're not looking for a pastor-in-chief, we're not looking
for a Constitutionalist-in-chief, we WANT a COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, and that's
Donald Trump."
其实Trump/Cruz还是最好的ticket, Hannity明白，Limbaugh基本明白。Levin有点
desperate, Cruz原本的strategy是避免attack Trump，这样Trump fall他的支持者... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 61690 | 6 DES MOINES, Iowa — Ted Cruz has flipped his TV strategy heading into the
crucial final weekend before the Iowa caucuses, rerouting money from
negative ads that had been slamming Donald Trump to hit Marco Rubio instead.
The last-minute change is a sign that, even as both the Rubio and Cruz
campaigns have publicly denied it, Rubio is increasingly a threat to Cruz in
the state. The shift to anti-Rubio ads was first reported by The New York
Times.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/ted... 阅读全帖 |
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 7 1，反非移，控制“低”教育的人大量涌入，保守派的base仅仅是一部分，支持这个的
还有，blue color worker （他们选民主党多，工会成员），黑人，甚至还有老么，在
支持trump里，这些人会占到一半多
2，对base的煽动，limbaugh，hannity等等比cruz列害的多，这些talk show才是旗手
，并几乎天天大骂GOP，cruz是GOP人理，最会利用这些情绪，并在国会公开show。
3，limbaugh实际上很清醒，他是仅有几个站出来说，trump对保守主义运动扩大益处大
大大，原来的GOP 领导低估自己的base，只认为base 是一些more religion，反同，拥
枪等等，所以，limbaugh虽然心怡cruz，但基本公开替trump说话。实际上，trump在
religion，反同，按保守的观点最弱，拥枪上显得很强，但看起来，自己打的不多，他
儿子到是个好手。
看过去六个多月的走向，trump leads，cruz follows。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 8 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: abstraction (abstraction), 信区: Military
标 题: USNEWS: Ted Cruz Isn't a 'Natural Born' Citizen
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Feb 1 21:24:46 2016, 美东)
Ted Cruz Isn't a 'Natural Born' Citizen
According to the Constitution, because Sen. Ted Cruz was not born in the
United States, he is not eligible to run for president.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-27/ted-cruz-is-n |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 9 昨天O'Riley和卡森在Foxnews上谈到这事，我觉得Cruz有责任，但真的不算dirty.这事
是CNN先发的消息，Cruz阵营的人看到后就马上转发了。当然这个确实不负责，应该和
Carson核实后再转发。但谣言并不是从Cruz阵营先出来的。Cruz事后也道歉了，我觉得
不算是啥了不起的事。 |
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发帖数: 24893 | 10 1/31,iowa选举前两天，Des Moines Register民调trump 28，cruz 23， rubio 15。
2/1，正式选举，trump 24, cruz 28, rubio 23
iowa正式选举前两天的Des Moines Register民调，号称是最准确的民调。2008年预测
huckbee获胜，2012年预测santorum获胜。被称为民调的gold standard。
结果呢？
trump -4
cruz +5
rubio +8
trump对cruz一进一出少了9%
trump对rubio一进一出少了12%
难得你还这么相信民调，相信全世界最伟大的无所不能的百战百胜的trump
可怜。 |
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 11 假设，carson上来斗cruz，cruz臭了，票可能就会在trump 和 rubio之间分，也许
trump能多分点儿。
这样基本 trump 对 rubio，如果trump 单干rubio 还打不过，那就是根本打不过了；
因为有cruz在时，就是三人转时，我觉得就更打不过。三人转时，说不定trump先下去
，最后cruz对决rubio。 |
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发帖数: 61690 | 13 Republican presidential candidates Ted Cruz and Ben Carson met in a storage
closet Thursday night to attempt and smooth over their feud, according to
The Daily Beast.
The meeting, which was set up by Cruz during the Conservative Review
convention, lasted about 20 to 25 minutes as Carson's Secret Service detail
waited outside the closet.
Carson’s campaign confirmed the secret meeting to The Daily Beast, but
blasted Cruz’s team for leaking the news, accusing him of trying to improve
his image.
Car... 阅读全帖 |
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 14 cruz 的team 搞这种事儿，怎么总被抓住啊，是不是智商，管理上有什么问题，都雇的
什么人啊，慢慢把cruz都给毁了。
今天的texas 还有 cruz的radio Ad，call 别浪费vote，要投cruz，投给其他人就相当
于vote trump，bla，bla。
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发帖数: 2210 | 16 你问我我哪里知道阿？
而且我觉得很无语的是，他辩论的时候那么骂小布什，一点好处都没有，相反让更多的
人恨他，如果最后真的一对一，他没戏。
这场选战一开始就非常清楚，最大的敌人就是Rubio,而不是Cruz，Cruz现在看更是完全
没有任何可能拿到提名，他的存在一方面帮Trump分流Rubio的票，另外一方面让Rubio
deletes不够。同时他还攻击Rubio,Rubio也攻击他，Trump正好得利。
他今天还在攻击Cruz,我觉得也许只能说明自控能力不行，记仇利害。
说实话，Rubio是做梦都希望跟Trump 一对一。 |
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g****e
发帖数: 1829 | 17 他是为了留rubio做vp。他都得罪光了到时候这里的人一个没法选，那样赢不了大选。
我估计他的vp人选是rubio bush或者kasich。一开始他捧cruz是他觉得cruz可作vp，后
来觉得cruz的身份会被sue，衡量以后放弃，所以往死里踩。rubio bush和kasich其实
他没有死命踩过，尤其bush，low energy不影响做vp。看吧。 |
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g***c
发帖数: 11523 | 18 各个机构现在都在估计
如果没有cruz，川普更是会爆操rubio
cruz的存在才让rubio看着还挺牛逼的
如果rubio退，cruz跟川普都是共和党核心二逼认为的傻逼
共和党真尼玛失败呀 |
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h****g
发帖数: 2216 | 19 如果Cruz拿下TX，基本可以肯定他在Super Tuesday拿的选举人票会比Rubio多。如果
establishment不让Rubio退，那么就没有理由要Cruz退。
对Trump来说，这是最好结果。
对Cruz来说，只要还在选，机会总是有的（哪怕只剩下理论上的机会）。如果Rubio3月
15日输掉FL，那就可能会出现establishment的支持者一州都不嬴的情况。很难想像，
Rubio能这样坚持到4月。如果Rubio退选，那Cruz机会就来了。 |
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c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 20 毫无疑问，trump大赢，但从poll看是正常发挥，不像sc，nh，nv都是high than
average poll。
德州偏低，输了Ok，rubio赢了一个，虽然Mn对gop可以忽略，小孩连地二都像胜利，在
一个，rubio表现有些超过poll，好像还won late decider。就是三个人都有高兴的。
这个结果，cruz和rubio会觉得最近的attacking正起作用，就是他俩不经意的联手
attack trump。
trump也意识到，今天的speech，一个是给gop，说我可以合作，二是给cruz的，说我们
还有未来。
但我看，gop和cruz都不会附和，gop现在基本铁了心，不斗到最后，不罢休。cruz这个
人就是一魏延，反的很。
所以，下面的debate，会火力全开，会throw everthing they can to trump，还尽用
羞辱的，加上是fox的主持。上次，cnn的 wolf 有意无意通过问kasich，还在为trump
解围。
老头，trump不一定能挺的住， |
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发帖数: 9235 | 21 这里有个问题就是 Ted Cruz 和 Marco Rubio 谁做大，谁做小的问题。 Marco Rubio
的代表数不太可能超过 Ted Cruz，所以 Ted Cruz 几乎肯定要做大，共和党权贵们还
是不高兴。
另外 Ted Cruz 跟 Donald Trump 代表的都是反权贵的势力，如果他跟 Marco Rubio
联合，估计还会丧失选票。
最后，Brokered Convention 风险也很大，如果太难看，Trump 肯定会单独干，共和党
后面８年都不要想了！ |
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发帖数: 61690 | 22 Reid: I have some respect for Ted Cruz
By Eliza Collins
03/02/16 06:11 PM EST
Harry Reid said he has “some degree of respect” for Ted Cruz.
“Ted Cruz, I don’t like a lot of the things that he stands for, in fact
most everything he stands for. But I have some degree of respect for him
because he believes in something,” Reid said in a radio interview. “He has
a set of values. I don’t agree with his values, but he speaks what he
believes are the right things for the country.”
“And I appreciate some... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2215 | 23 Helping Trump or something? It is weird.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cruz-looks-to-take-on-r
fellow-senators-florida-turf/2016/03/04/0ea76d02-e22f-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571
_story.html
Ted Cruz’s presidential campaign is moving hard into Florida, where the
senator from Texas hopes to knock out rival Sen. Marco Rubio and position
himself as the only last alternative to front-runner Donald Trump.
In addition, the Cruz campaign is contemplating ramping up its efforts in
Ohio — which also h... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3678 | 24 Cruz 一再呼吁别人退，让他和 trump 1 to 1.
Rubio 当然不肯自己退，搞得 Cruz 没有把 Texas 全拿到，否则现在 delegates 很可
能就是 cruz 领先了。
现在 Cruz 就来阴的，明知 FL 自己没戏，但是努力可以把 Rubio 彻底搞死。 |
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发帖数: 1451 | 25 小白脸连一个第二名都没有，可以卷铺盖走人了。
Trump赢Cruz的两个州，比分都小于5%
Cruz赢Trump的两个州，都是大落差赢的。
只要小白脸或卡稀奇有一个退选，Cruz都可能反转，因为他们的票会大部分流向Cruz。 |
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发帖数: 61690 | 27 Ted Cruz on Tuesday nabbed an unlikely endorsement: the backing of a Bush.
Neil Bush, a brother of George W. Bush and Jeb Bush, was listed (along with
his wife) as one of 13 new additions to Cruz's national finance team. The
campaign said the new additions are all former supporters of other
candidates, including Bush, Rand Paul, Rick Perry and Marco Rubio.
This follows the release last week of a list of several other previous Jeb
Bush backers now supporting Cruz, whose hardline conservative appr... 阅读全帖 |
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t***h
发帖数: 2924 | 28 很多保守派选cruz而不选trump, 是因为觉得cruz更保守， 能更加放心，
但是cruz昨天的表现， 让这些保守派看清楚了， cruz并不是捍卫保守派的利益的，
而是自己利益至上， 所以送给他一顶opportunist的帽子。
这下子没别的选择了， 只能选less conservative的trump. 毕竟trump so far 在所有
事情上的发言， 都很有integrity, speak his mind, from his heart,没有任何投机
的迹象。 |
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L**d
发帖数: 620 | 29 6月会make final deal,最后开会只是走走过场。
如果Trump领先，他会给Cruz一个好deal，一旦获得Cruz的票，最终提名不是问题。
如果Cruz 和 Kasich 的票总和比床铺多， Cruz会不会和Kasich勾结？就看Kasich愿不
愿意当VP.
所以trump只有再接再厉，在票数上领先才有最后的主动权。 |
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T***u
发帖数: 1468 | 30 你从Cruz的角度看，HRC屁股再不干净，无非Trump能赢我也能赢，那么我当然要当总统
而不是副总统
从Kasich的角度看，Cruz的胜率比Trump高，所以我自己不能上位的话就应该跟Cruz
总之，Trump票数不够的话，没法用running mate位置拉拢Cruz/Kasich
Trump？ |
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发帖数: 5818 | 31 因为想不出cruz 主导打这种广告会有多少加分，spc还有相对独立的操作，一般应该附
和候选人的利益和message，cruz打这种广告根本不加分，反倒会起反作用。
最近有个调查，很多GOP的voter 不喜欢今年初选的风气，romney 这么做就是变相把
cruz变成“little Marco”用下三滥攻击trump，这样trump一回击，选举的基调又low
不少，那家人开涮。
当trump 和 cruz 都臭了，romney 就成了最GOP “decent gentleman”。 |
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发帖数: 1829 | 32 Cruz has said it's his super PAC, not him. Also in the US super PACs are
legally barred from coordinating with the campaign directly. Cruz is wiling
to
take legal consequence by issuing that statement.
Like it or not, believe it or not, cruz's explanation is good enough to put
the shit to rest. It's perhaps Cruz who got hurt more. After Trump's retweet
, both party get hurt more. An action serves a purpose to gain, what did
trump gain by doing this? |
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m****g
发帖数: 2215 | 33 Agree.
Trump should go after Cruz wife's WS connection.
【 在 KV (从善如流，敢做敢当) 的大作中提到: 】
Cruz
: 感到威胁才能制止后续的攻击，Trump贴的其实就是个态度，Cruz肯定不敢再继续从
Trump
: ，老美看Trump不会按照看待政客的标准，这其中的分寸，Cruz很明白，这也是他被揍
Trump
: 老婆后续更多照片啥的也会流出，所以这样以战止战，目前停止算不错的。 |
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发帖数: 8906 | 34 你开玩笑吧 支持cruz的super pac干的事就跟他没关系 他连denounce这种做法都没有
可见是认同super pac的
再看看媒体的反应 大部分都是把责任归结到cruz头上了
另外事情是cruz方先挑起来的 cruz认同可以用人家老婆的裸照，你也觉得没问题 轮到
trump放一张人家老婆难看的照片 你就觉得不对 不说trump动机如何立场对不对 你本
身就带偏见了 |
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发帖数: 10729 | 35 一、CRUZ是那种坚持原则，以至于整个参议院没有人喜欢的主儿。这种孤臣，女人也不
会喜欢，更别说那些漂亮的妞儿。
二、TRUMP的回应‘did not know about it’反证了Katrina Pierson如果真是和CRUZ
有一腿。
I have no idea whether or not the cover story about Ted Cruz in this week’s
issue of the National Enquirer is true or not, but I had absolutely nothing
to do with it, did not know about it, and have not, as yet, read it.
和TRUMP的意见类似的，
I certainly hope they are not right about Ted Cruz |
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发帖数: 10469 | 36 目前几个保守派喉舌又跑来拉偏架，林宝说TRUMP老婆的照片就是让人看的，放没关系
。CRUZ的老婆照片不是公开让人看的，看就有关系。这老家活真会SPIN，完全没提不是
放照片的问题而是广告INSULT，所以关键时刻会完全倒向CRUZ。今天SAVAGE也说如果
TRUMP是幕后指使，他会改主意，说他有线报说NE没有真实证据所以很生气. 这种保守
派可以接受CRUZ败选但不能接受丫职业完球。咱还是觉得这事两个人有一必定要重伤，
要么有真料CRUZ就此完蛋，要么TRUMP要在WI吃一壶 |
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m****g
发帖数: 2215 | 37 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/
daily-202-ted-cruz-s-war-with-matt-drudge-could-become-a-huge-problem-for-
his-campaign/570be431981b92a22deda1b9/
Savage: Cruz should disavow rigged Colorado election … Buchanan:
Apparatchiks thieve delegates for Ted … 1 MILLION REPUBLICANS SIDELINED …
Border Patrol Agents: Colorado Voters Disenfranchised.” Keep in mind that
this is three days after the Colorado convention.
The Donald’s allies in the right-wing media, including Drud... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 820 | 38 现在只有Cruz是明确反对AA的
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/02/03/senator-ted-cruz
views-higher-education-and-scientific-research
Immigration and Affirmative Action
Like many Republicans, Cruz is campaigning on taking a tougher line on
federal immigration policy. He’s said he wants to reverse President Obama’
s executive orders on immigration, including the reprieve from deportation
offered to young immigrants, many of them students, who were brought to the
United States as children by parents who... 阅读全帖 |
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Q**********z
发帖数: 40 | 39 有道理。可能是1.预防暗杀，cruz估计什么都能干出来。2.堵住Cruz搭伙要求做VP。
我认为老壮是有意扔出来的，目的是排除Cruz做VP的可能性。可能需要团结，但是坚决
不能给VP。他估计是收到GOP内部压力，要Cruz，the 2nd place candidate做VP。 |
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Q**********z
发帖数: 40 | 40 这次无所谓了，Indy今天来不及反应，只要赢了今天，game over。真正目的，是在于
今天赢了后，肯定有很多人出来说要团结，给Cruz VP 因为他是第二。所以老壮抛出个
或许有的话题，就堵住了VP给Cruz的可能性。人都会想，万一Cruz他爹和暗杀有那么点
联系，谁都能同意VP不能给Cruz。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 41 昨天HP女摔的蹊跷-- 对Cruz是个预兆
哈哈，VP都摔下去了， Cruz掉下去还会远么??
CRUZ DROP OUT on Twitter
Ted Cruz (@tedcruz)
2 hours ago - View on Twitter
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发帖数: 61690 | 42 Heidi Cruz on Tuesday compared her husband's presidential campaign to the
fight to end slavery.
“I don’t want you to feel like any of this was in vain," Heidi Cruz said
while on a conference call with the campaign's National Prayer Team,
according to the Texas Tribune.
"I believe in the power of prayer. This doesn’t always happen on the timing
of man, and God does not work in four-year segments."
"Be full of faith and so full of joy that this team was chosen to fight a
long battle," she continue... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 24123 | 43 Independent Journal Review spoke to Texas delegates about what they thought
of their senator’s speech. Here is what 11 of them said:
Janis Holt from Silsbee, Texas:
“When he ended it the way he ended it, I sat down, I had tears in my eyes.
It’s a sad day for Texas and it’s a sad day for America. I feel like the
damage he has done to this convention is enormous.”
Anna Maria Farias from San Antonio, Texas:
“If Hillary wins, he’s going to be partly responsible for it. … Sen. Cruz
is a brilliant man... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3157 | 46 今天的采访Cruz已经软下来了，至少没有去对抗牛金贵的covering
“In that speech last night, I did not say a single negative word about
Donald Trump,” Cruz insisted, speaking carefully. “This morning and going
forward, I don’t intend to say negative things about Donald Trump. The
media would love me to. … I started the speech by congratulating Donald
Trump for winning the nomination—by name. … In that speech last night I
asked conservatives … not [to] stay home in November.”
Asked if he’ll vote for Trump, Cruz was non-commi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5818 | 47 另外， cruz 说 “vote on conscience”，本身没啥，但 这是 #nevertrump 那些人
的 code，所以 昨天台下的人听的清清楚楚，就明明白白 cruz 他们要干啥。
cruz其实比较傻，现在搞得这么明白，还不如暗中使坏，也许真sabotage trump GE。
现在 trump 要是输了，屎盆子第一个就扣到 cruz 头上。
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发帖数: 73 | 48 I suspect Trump knew Cruz would do this without seeing the speech. He had
such instinct.
It looks it is all in his plan. To let Cruz act enough.
Trump knows by instinct that if you give Cruz a rope long enough, Cruz can't
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发帖数: 6571 | 49 BIG NEWS=> Former Cruz Texas Chairman Switches to Trump – Tells Stragglers
to Get on Board (VIDEO)
Jim Hoft Sep 17th, 2016 5:23 pm 236 Comments
Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick is taking an official role with the campaign of
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, serving as his Texas state
chairman.
During the primaries, Patrick had chaired U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz’s efforts in
Texas.
Patrick has a message for any hardcore Cruz backers who may still be on the
fence about Trump.
“To all the Ted Cruz sup... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 61690 | 50 After winning the Iowa caucuses, Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-Texas) campaign manager,
Jeff Roe, reached out to share advice with the Donald Trump campaign,
according to former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.
During a panel discussion about the presidential election sponsored by
Harvard Institute of Politics, Lewandowski said that Roe called him
following Cruz's Iowa victory and proceeded to give him advice on securing a
win in New Hampshire, Politico reported.
“He said, ‘You know in New Hampshi... 阅读全帖 |
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