d******0
发帖数: 22800 | 1 如果是刚开始穿简约的跑鞋的话，肌肉是会很酸痛的。因为很多有用的肌肉给你原来有
cushion的鞋子，都养懒了，现在从新把他们激活让他们发挥原本的作用，肌肉是会很
酸痛。因为没有了cushion，你的脚要用不少劲给自己减震，要用到很多原来不会用到
的肌肉。
偶才上VFF的时候，痛的肌肉都原来跑步不会痛到的地方，比如小腿前面的肌肉啥的。
推荐，如果有条件，去草地上跑。不要直接穿简约的跑鞋上水泥地的马路，给自己肌肉
一个成长的过程。偶很保守，曾穿VFF在不大的草地上绕圈跑也不想直接上水泥地。 |
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发帖数: 22800 | 3 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
dash2000 (DASH) 于 (Sun Jul 15 04:39:42 2012, 美东) 提到:
edit： 目标重新设定在138磅。10月底到达吧。
8个月第一次重新开是跑步，身高5'10"， 体重170，目标145，时间3个月。
edit：差了心率表，偶近八个月没跑步了不是4个月，看了理想身材，从新把目标设在
145了。
7/14
环境：64F，水泥地，跑鞋
历时：1：15
路程：5.55迈
心跳（avg）：163bpm
速度: 13:31 per mi
热量消耗：620cal。忙活一个小时，大概也就是2罐可乐的热量。
速度低，且心跳偏高了，刚开始，下次估计还不如这个，慢慢地才会好起来。
下午吃了3.5磅黄樱桃当晚饭，加2个小面包，4个小时之后去跑步的。
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07/15:
环境：64F，水泥地，fivefingers
历时：1：13:27
路程：5.90迈
心跳（avg）：157bpm
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发帖数: 4372 | 4 发现很多时候我们的D简直就弱爆了，我当他密的进攻教练都可以叫出
1st down的play。 我们防3rd and 8 的时候给出的cushion 可以
达到12码以上，对方一个TE motion过来还尼玛给这么大cushion，
随便一扔，两个WR简单block一下就是20码左右的gain，真尼玛气人！
那个顶替Bryant的3号Pitt. Brown简直就是渣，怎么说也是Sr.了打
得跟无头苍蝇似的，很多他密的big play都看到他无力的身影，pre-snap
一看保证站位不对，究竟是自己笨还是教练sb都不重要，关键是已经到了
这般时候说啥也没用了，只能靠进攻多码淀粉给防守擦屁股了，相信剩下
这两场总有一场屁股擦不干净的时候就sb了，这些防守组的教练最好都
赶紧滚蛋！
当大部分球迷都开始call for Luke Fickell的job的时候，真不知道
Urban是怎么想的，就能这样容忍一个烂D的存在吗？ |
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发帖数: 8966 | 5 你说的对，我们没必要跟WV赌，但是随着HUNH的出现，Saban小聪明的整体防守思路没
有本质提高就是问题了。
正常进攻对防守，进攻方知道方向，但是少一个人（QB不跑），好像足篮球发界外球，
理论上所有人都有人盯而且有一个富裕的，所以攻防基本平衡。
所有进攻都是寻求schematic advantage，HUNH的最大优势类似High Frequency
Trading，利用防守方给的cushion，通过announce play，no huddle，hurry up（你看
auburn从huddle围小圈状态，到散开进攻ready那个阵型改变速度多快）等等，逼迫对
手加大cushion，通过稳定执行，获得3-5yard per play。
所以HUNH对Pro Style进攻其实是减低了mean，增大了variation的一种战术，如果
defense keep discipline，进攻方execution足够好，防守会被慢慢磨死。如果
defense赌，进攻方执行好，经常会被搞大的，这也是我们通常看到的情况。
如果进攻执行不好，Defense够有纪律，那进攻其实永远打不开，类似斯... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7034 | 6 sleeping pad就是你身体和地之间的cushion，隔热，增加舒适。。和防水无关。。旧
睡袋不大可能提供足够的cushion，你会硌得很难受，当然，一次两次可忍，还正好可
以作为无怨无悔买pad的理由。。 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 7 one piece of advice regarding trail running: choose a pair of shoes with
minimum cushion so that you can feel the terrain better. too much cushion is
dangerous for you ankles on uneven terrains. I have a pair of NB 708, which
is really crappy. My other pair of trail shoes is Asics Kahana and I would
highly recommend. |
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p******i
发帖数: 1358 | 8 不用cushion吧，instrument panel挡着视线很不方便
用了cushion，yoke老是被大腿卡住
有人有类似经历么？ |
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 9 http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=9884
今天翻出这期老文章.hehe
有点意思, 谈到跑鞋的发展 。
(先说nike,其实在跑鞋发展史还是可圈可点 :)
(其实开始nike是倒卖Onisuka Tiger的鞋 - Asisc的前身!)
1978年开始生产Air shoes(Tailwind) = 里面放气球.hoho -
Pegasus在八十年代很流行 (现在还特多拥护者)
开始midsole 的革命(以前里面不够两层薄底而已)
然后就是Asics GEL heeh .2120的爷爷.
然后就是Brooks Hydroflow, Saucony GRID
这些都是不断提升cushion (缓冲).
这时候 开始考虑 稳定 - Brooks Chariot (Beast的前身)
于是开始stability的发展 & Motion control.
现在鞋子越来越发展。但是还是Cushion/ Control .hoho or just flat :) |
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julianzhong (SHOU欲强烈，肉欲良好,julianzhong=练举重) 于 (Wed Apr 15 19:11:11 2009) 提到:
Asics:
Structured Cushioning(Slightly Over Pronation)
KAYANO / GEL-3000 / GEL-DS TRAINER / 21X0 / 11X0 / GEL-PHOENIX / GEL-105
Cushioning(Under Pronation to Mild Over Proation)
NIMBUS / LANDRETH / CUMULUS / SPEEDSTAR / KUSHON / FLUENT / FRANTIC / STRATU
S / ANTARES /EQUATION / KANBARRA / VEGA / MAVERICK /STRIKE
Maximum Support(Over Pronation)
EVOLUTION / FORTITUDE / FOUNDATION |
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d**e
发帖数: 1124 | 11 NB shoes are relatively flat. I compare my Nibmus with NB 1063, Nibmus
obviously makes my feet slide forward, but NB 1063 is very flat.
In ancient times, there are no concrete, so flat non-cushioned shoes or even
barefoot were fine. Now days, asphalt and concrete roads requires some
protection thus cushioned shoes are popular. |
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d********t
发帖数: 837 | 12 谢谢。那些比较贵的鞋子穿上去感觉差别有多大？目前我穿NB 737,感觉cushion也不错
。是不是
mileage涨上去了，需要的cushion也相应地要更多一些？ |
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G********n
发帖数: 615 | 13 New Balance 1062
Style: WR1062EU
Women's Running
Now: $53.99
Orig: $119.99
Save $66.00 (55%)
New Balance 1062
*Usually ships in 1-2 days
This shoe runs short.
Consider ordering 1/2 size larger than your normal athletic shoe size.
Width Sizing Chart
Can't find your size?
Description
Miles are no match for this premium cushioning shoe! When you slip on the
1062, you can count on the ultimate soft ride and smooth transition from
heel to toe. ABZORB® cushioning resists compression set to ke |
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A***a
发帖数: 1799 | 14 就看你喜欢什么了,
GLYCERIN CUSHIONING 更强大些,ARCH SUPPORT更好,但比较软,也比较重.
GHOST 的CUSHION 也不错,轻,比较硬,比较RESPONSIVE.尺寸较小,要比GLYCERIN买大半
号. |
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 15 Correct me if I'm wrong.
I have the impression that "cushion" shoes have soft bottom and can only be
used for short distance, such as <6mile, at longer distance, I can't feel
the cushion any more. |
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g*****r
发帖数: 4444 | 16 俺有经验。有些cushion的鞋子就是开始一段路会cushion,跑长距离时后面几迈鞋子变
得很硬。 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 17 我没有研究过elite穿什么鞋， 不过我相信你说的。 但是有个问题是，
大多数人， 特别是新手， 并不一定适合elite穿的跑鞋， 我一直认为，
肌肉如果足够强大了以后（就是elite这种）穿什么鞋， 甚至不穿鞋，
都没有问题。。
但是对于跑步新手， 特别是减肥人群， 选择N/S还是
有很大区别的， 最起码的S鞋跟部比较厚， 对于跑步姿势不好的人， 能
有效保护他们的膝盖， 给他们一段过渡时间来长腿部肌肉， 防止受伤。。
我的大腿肌肉就完全是跑步以后开始长出来的， 以前都是肥肉。。
而且， Neutral的鞋子也并不是就没有Cushion, 其实Nimbus/Kayano这些
鞋子区别不是很大， 前掌后跟都有很厚的Cushion....
我个人觉得running form是导致受伤的决定因素， 鞋子的因素并没有那么大。。
Surely
is
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A****t
发帖数: 759 | 18 my first official running shoes are NB WR749 for trail. Totally agree the
cushioning is great, not too soft and not too hard. It has thicker cushion
on the heel so I felt great during heel striking. Now it's OK, but a little
weird during forefoot landing. |
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d*********6
发帖数: 6115 | 19 我也提个话题，
现在新出的鞋子是cushion越来越多，即使是有support的鞋子，鞋底也越来越厚，看起
来也不知道选啥好。
在跑鞋上败了很多钱后，发现我穿很厚的鞋子肌肉会很不舒服，容易cramp，也蹬不上
力，那些闪闪发亮的银子都白花了，最后要么穿来走路，要么送朋友。
我自己还是穿cushion一般的鞋子跑起来最舒服，虽然可能有人要觉得我速度不快，还
用不到flat，但确实穿flat跑比赛更用得上力，因为接近bare foot？
不知道你们有没有这样的感觉。 |
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r*****p
发帖数: 531 | 20 How did your calves feel towards the end in this race?
I'm worrying since they have thick cushion on the heels but thin cushion on
the forefoot part, I feel I gain faster leg turnovers with this design, but
does it stress out your calves when adding on miles? |
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g****g
发帖数: 1828 | 21 Forward versus Side-to-Side movement
The basic difference can be seen in their purposes and the resulting
appropriate levels of support stability and cushion.
An "all terrain" shoe is based on a classic running shoe design:
- Higher-heel, lower-footbed (for forward rocking-movement)
- Cushion in Heel and Ball-of-foot
- Roll-up toe
- Flexible forefoot
Additionally, "all terrain" shoes offer a more aggressive outsole tread for
better traction and some models also offer a solid-plate in the midsole |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 22 我穿过一双brooks beast。现在有一双BN 1011，太笨重了，很不舒服。现在穿的最多
的是mizuno的alchemy，很轻，cushion也不错，也有足够的support。还有一双brooks
addiction，我嫌cushion稍微差一些 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 23 of course if you change to a completely new type of running shoes, you'd have to take it easy at the beginning
of the transition, run lower mileage and gradually increase, like everything else in running. the author of Born
to Run used to weigh 230 lb and injures himself from running just 3 miles a day, no matter what shoes he
wear. He later became an ultramarathoner running injury free by, as you know, barefoot training and wearing
five fingers. If you have always been wearing cushioned shoes a... 阅读全帖 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 24 You need to strengthen your calf muscles instead of looking for cushions in
your shoes. You don't need cushions. Your BMI is 18. Come on, that's built
for running. You could be doing all of your training in flats. You just need
to work on your strength and biomechanics. |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 25 I second this one, you are too light to need cushion. even I feel like
alchemy 7 has too much cushion. you are about half of my weight.
flats |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 26 http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2010/02/how-to-go-from-heel-strikingorthotics.html
How to go from heel striking/orthotics wearing to forefoot strike/ barefoot
running
Posted by Steve Magness
Should you train barefoot?
This concluding post on the barefoot vs. shoe debate will look at some of
the practical applications to all the research that we've discussed. In part
1, I questioned whether cushioning or pronation even mattered. In part 2, I
looked at the new study by Lieberman on barefoot runnin... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4921 | 27 比wave rider重很多: (12.2-10.5) x 2 = 3.4 oz.
cushion不如wave rider.感觉要硬.
跑起来吃力不少.
但是:
1. 跑完之后,没有脚跟疼.wave rider有点over cushioned,longrun后我会脚跟疼,足弓
疼,plantar fasciitis,AT.
2. 两双鞋都没有造成膝盖不舒服.
3. 另外,找deal很难找.我前几天买的nimbus 11还花了70出头.waverider要便宜将近20.
overall还是不错的.最大的缺点是太重. |
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g********s
发帖数: 1969 | 28 我是从Asics Nimbus（cushion 厚， 鞋重）换成cumumlus（cushion 薄， 鞋轻）。我
的脚弓可能属不高不低的。刚开始不习惯，感觉heel累。但现在，更喜欢cumulus。
慢慢来，先穿新鞋跑短点。也别削脚适宜履，也有可能新鞋不适合你的脚。 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 29 Actually, Kinvara is not thin at all. It provides plenty of cushioning in
the mid sole. I was actually worried that
it provides too much cushioning, but I felt very comfortable when I run fast
in them. |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 30 newton shoes are supposed to have very small heel to toe drop among
cushioned running shoes (which makes
forefoot strike more natural), hence the thick forefoot cushioning I suppose. |
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d*******r
发帖数: 806 | 31 NB MT101 是不适合在跑步机上跑的，推荐环境为运动场的跑道或者水泥路面，当然也
不适合越野跑
另外透气和cushion不是矛盾的，一个是鞋面的工艺一个是鞋底的工艺。至于到底哪种
就不少说了。
我觉得各个品牌都有不错的，其实质量也差不多，到底哪个好见仁见智。Saucony的
Kinvara 2和
ProGrid Peregrine都算是minial的，前者更轻更适合操场跑道，后者是适合山地跑的
，重一
些。具体可能还是去店里试一下比较好，除了脚感，眼缘也很重要。
忘记说New Balance新出的890也不错，超轻据说还有很强的cushioning，可能符合lz的要求，
而且还有两种不同的鞋宽可选
至于说到跑步机，估计很多位大大都可能有所了解，就是跑步机跑久了会对膝盖有损伤
，而且是不可
逆的。所以基本都推荐真实的路面练跑步。我自己基本是不用跑步机的。而且健身房里
跑步空气也不
新鲜。基本没有可取之处。
Nike的free run本人还真试过，绝对不适合脚宽的用户，而且试过后觉得，这绝对是个
商业噱头，
产品功能太夸张了些。还有那个realflex，就是一个minimal，吹的牛逼... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8546 | 32 我觉得穿ASICS的Cushioning类的NIMBUS比CUMULUS更舒服，不知道是否因为它更贵的心里作用哈哈
High Arch
A high-arched foot is also known as an under-pronated foot. A runner with under-pronating feet is more likely to experience shock transmission through the lower legs, and should choose shoes from the Cushioning Category or those shoes that meet the needs of Under Pronating to Neutral runners.
http://www.asicsamerica.com/products/category.aspx?PARENT_CATEG |
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L********e
发帖数: 1202 | 34 Just wondering about this these days: If one has good running form and does
not heel strike, is there any harm to use cushioned but flat shoes? Is
cushion itself good or bad?
the |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 35 I met similar problem. I had a pair of Nike training
shoes before started running. It was and is very comfortable
while walking, especially in the mall on hard floor.
I started running using this pair. But quickly I got
heel pain. After quite several trying different shoes,
including my badminton shoes to run, I realized that the
Nike training shoes created the problem. So I bought
Asics and NB running shoes on sale. Not expensive at all.
My heel pain problem has gone after switching to them.
By... 阅读全帖 |
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p***r
发帖数: 4859 | 36 我的理解是minimalist主要是通过减少cushion，让腿、膝盖、整个身体主动去改
变姿势，理论上来说这样的姿势是高效的。Cushion强的鞋子就会放松对姿势的要
求。反而更容易受伤。 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 37 今天又去roadrunnersports和REI试鞋，主要想试试trail鞋，发现多了
不少新鞋, 可惜没看到新的NB110..
---TRAIL鞋---
Saucony ProGrid Peregrine
感觉还行，有点Kinvara的风格，可惜还是能感到arch support,
不太确定能不能穿，而且店里没我的号了
adidas adiZero XT 3
阿迪一如既往的比较硬比较窄，不喜欢
Montrail Rogue Racer
不错，很轻很软，8.0oz, heel 24mm, forefoot 15mm..
Brooks PureGrit
也很不错，很轻很软，8.7 oz，Heel 23mm, Forefoot 19mm..
Salomon XR Crossmax Neutral CS
鞋比较重，鞋底很厚，但是出奇的软，感觉cushion特足，Kilian的鞋鞋...
The North Face Single-Track
感觉一般，鞋底有点硬...
---racing flats---
Mizuno Wave Universe 4
老狼的爱鞋，感觉不太耐穿的样子，有点太薄... 阅读全帖 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 38 经过几轮面试，决定let go NB110 2E款和Montrail Rogue racer, 留下
NB110 D款作为主力trail战靴...
NB110 D款，网上有人说窄，我觉得恰恰好，cushion也恰恰好，触地感很好，
4mm drop感觉perfect, 当然还需要实战考验，这周末见分晓...
NB110 2E款，确实宽松一点点，但主要是鞋面，穿上感觉拖拖沓沓，不如D款跟脚..
Rogue Racer, 也很轻，cushion很足，但感觉鞋底太厚了点，不好控制，而且鞋帮
有点高，有点磨我的锁骨，不太喜欢.. |
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I*****n
发帖数: 823 | 39 update一下，今天穿HS4在treadmill上跑了4miles，感觉跟腱有点发热，估计我也是
heel landing，低跟的鞋子还是需要适应一阵子，打算跟tarther混着穿，用班上时髦
的话--过渡。
其次，HS4的足底的胶真的很软，怪不得有人说它的cushion比tarther多，其实它的内
衬cushion不多，都是软底胶闹的。 |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 40 Planned to have a short test run on treadmill the new
MT20. To be cautious, original plan was 3mi@5mph, ultra
low speed/HR.
5mph did not need to worm up. Jump up on the treadmill
and start jogging. It was extremely comfortable and felt
so easy, easier than ever.
After 30min, still felt great, and started [email protected], my
LHR training speed. Still very very easy, no heel pain
or knee pain during entire hour. In fact, I run till 6miles.
By the way, this was my last 5.5mph LHR run. I will move to
6mph... 阅读全帖 |
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L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 41 没人叫新手上来就跑马拉松。连跑姿都没练好，正常（也就是没有多余cushion）的鞋
子都穿不了的，就不应该凑热闹一窝蜂地去跑马。我经常提到的朋友，跑步已经有近20
年的历史，5K路跑15分半，10K跑步机上31分，半马可以进75分的，都从来没跑过马拉
松也从来没跑过超过2小时的long run. 新人真要淡定就别想着跑马拉松，先把穿轻鞋
或光脚跑步的本领练出来，把基本功练好。俺以前不了解这些的时候，胡乱训练跑了一堆
马拉松之后才明白跑姿的重要，花了一年多的时间从heel strike，依赖cushion彻底改成
forefoot strike，随便什么racing flats或者光滑路面上光脚都可以跑。 |
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I*****n
发帖数: 823 | 42 你现在跑步的基础已经很好了，速度也快，应该试试cushion比较少，也比较的鞋子，
会有很大的惊喜。
cushion越多，对膝盖的损害越大，这是跑版大多数人的看法。
顺便说下，我第一双跑步鞋也是nimbus，跑了仅有一次的斑马，只跑了200多迈，现在
成平时上班鞋了。 |
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I*****n
发帖数: 823 | 43 我觉得这鞋偏重，cushion太多，不利于提速和蹬地。
班上有人说过cushion多的鞋伤膝盖。我穿nimbus的时候确实膝盖老是酸痛，当然也可
能是因为刚开始训练长跑。
换tarther后膝盖就没事了 |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 44 Tried HS4 today for the first time. Did not want to
run long in case injuries.
After 30 minutes of warming up, I headed to the back path
where there is a ~1mi relatively straight and flat segment.
It is mostly slightly downhill to the east. This was my
first run attempt. GPS watch run out of battery, so use my
Timex for timing only. Since no HRM, so decided to run just
run. The HS4 shoes felt very well cushioned, light, and
no slippery at all. This is in contrast to my MT20 which
does not provid... 阅读全帖 |
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x*********n
发帖数: 28013 | 45 先讲些共性：
1.这个鞋的push力很强大，感觉比asics的大部分netral更贴地，更有反弹力，更有
stable的感觉。
2.这个鞋所有的配置都是前后cushion，不像ascis很多轻便的，只有后掌cushion。
3.这个鞋普遍固定鞋底形状，突出fore strike。
4.这个鞋特别适合高速race。
几个款中差别在于，鞋子的前后落差，最大的是8，最小的是0，大部分是2-3，几款5-6.
实际穿着感觉这个鞋更轻快。对比了ascis的neo33，脚后摆以后更轻快，感觉穿上以后
不容易把速度降下来。
总结：想入一个distance，就是觉得自己太entry level，还有就是鞋子本身太贵，基
本上150附近。 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 46 这个只能说人脚和兽足是不同的了 ：）
宇宙鞋在店里试过，基本就是没任何cushion， 跟VFF查不太多..
我现在穿VFF还只能在跑步机这样有cushion的地方玩，
不能上水泥地...
今儿跑个hill tempo, 就觉得屁股疼， 肌肉强度还是差太远.... |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 47 I used HS4 for a 8-mile "long run" for the first time last evening
in HS4.
It took me 1:05 to finish it. My fastest long run so far. Earlier,
I used to finish the same route 1:20-1:25 for LHR using MT20.
The biggest difference about the shoes is the cushioning - I was
able to and dare to run fast down hills because HS4 has very good
cushioning for road. But my feet are not tough enough for faster
pace on road in MT20 yet. There were two more factors contribute to my
yesterday fast pace: I had re... 阅读全帖 |
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h********g
发帖数: 55 | 48 刚在fleetfeet买了第二双跑鞋。 想着改变一下步姿，要了一双addias的minimum
cushion. 跑了几次感觉膝盖脚掌都不错。只是发现袜子（costco 买的运动袜子）底部
磨损及其严重。照这种磨损速度，估计一双新袜子也就能跑4次，每次4迈。
第一双鞋就没有这种问题。难道是鞋子的cushion减少造成的？还是别的原因？注，我
基本是在户外跑。上次膝盖伤之前每周30mile. 现在恢复中，25 miles per week. |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 49 MT20 is not very 耐磨. One pair of mine started to show bad
wear between 300-400 miles running on concrete road (side
walks). But it is still fine over 500 miles. I am still 25LB
over my ideal body weight. This might be a factor for shoe
wearing.
MT20 is very under-cushioned on road. On trails are perfect.
Too much cushioning can make me heal pain and tired quicker.
So I prefer to get my feet strong to fit MT20.
The pair you linked is the winter version. Regular version is
more breathable for warm... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 306 | 50 没想到版主竟给包子了。那得把知道的都倒出来。
新手一开始有cushion就尽量用。不受伤为原则。慢慢的过渡到小步高频。体会如何保
持自己的momentum。当频律高到一定时候，受伤机会就小了。开始讲究效率了。就可以
cushion少点。
我觉得钉鞋在碳渣跑道上防滑第一，而且用长钉。在塑胶跑道上, 防滑和更加
responsive二者都重要, 用短钉 |
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