e***e 发帖数: 398 | 1 just compare southern dialects and refer to old poem rhymes. |
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d****0 发帖数: 335 | 2 ban mandarin and all kinds of dialects. It is one reason that chinese are
poor |
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b**g 发帖数: 949 | 3 Why should other care about 普通话的语言艺术 at all? For you, Beijing
dialect might be important. But it is just for you. For me, I don't give a
shit.
任何方言都可以产生伟大的作品,但它首先属于说那种方言的人。伟大的作品最重要的
部分是文化思想灵魂, 然后才是语言. 孰轻孰重你都不明白, 完全本末倒置。有了思想
灵魂, 从来没有听说过无法用方言表达的 |
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d*****l 发帖数: 8441 | 4 No, not exactly. It was a mixture of Nanjing, Yangzhou, and Beijing dialects. |
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c**********l 发帖数: 606 | 5 I don't think so.
school is no jail.
to penalize kids who speak dialects is the same as to discreminate based on
gender/weight/height/color. |
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h*******r 发帖数: 1083 | 6 are you sure? probably your have been speaking your dialect for all your
life without knowing it! |
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W**o 发帖数: 428 | 7 形而上学的思辨已经被抛弃,为什么被抛弃,因为没有实际作用。当然把dialectic当
个人兴趣也没什么,但在公众领域没有讨论的必要了。
就比如现在的万有引力常数和5000年前的一样么,自然法则是亘古不变的么?这些既没
法证明也没法证伪,只能当作智力游戏。同样的还有科学的极限,上帝是否存在..... |
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 8 Nicholas Wade, Finding on Finding on Dialects Casts New Light on the Origins
of the Japanese People. New York Times, May 4, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/world
/asia/04language.html?scp=1&sq=japan%20dialects&st=cse
(Japanese "language is descended from that of the rice-growing farmers who
arrived in Japan from the Korean Peninsula, and not from the hunter-
gatherers who first inhabited the islands some 30,000 years ago")
My comment:
(a)
(i) Jōmon period
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m********1 发帖数: 368 | 9 我喜欢鉴别、精读一流的书,中外的、经学/史学/政治伦理/法理/哲学的,不拘一格。慢慢注意到文献学的意义,所以碰到一些精通文献学的大家的重要评论,都会明辨然后谨慎去采纳。王子今先生有《20世纪中国历史文献研究》,可以作为一般读者看书的指引来用。
与贤兄共勉。如不弃,可互留联系方式,以便交流。
论语,李零先生《丧家狗:我读论语》有两篇导读《古人读〈论语〉,文本、注释及其他》《今人读〈论语〉,基本参考书》,综述文献比较到位,比较了今人注家。目前在读李零先生这本,以及钱穆先生《论语新解》、杨伯峻先生《论语译注》。
《礼记》里面,尤其是《大学》,逻辑推导比较通顺的注家,我至今没有看到,希望诸贤推荐。我看到Jon Elster的An Introduction to Karl Marx,确切的称为Elster on Marx更妥当一些,写文章和遣词造句的水平非常好,辨析what is living and what is dead,把dialectical method列为Marx至今还活着的思想中的第一条。我联想到《大学》这篇,于是觉得历代的注家在这点上还不甚完美,因此如果仔细推敲逻辑,有不甚通达... 阅读全帖 |
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c*c 发帖数: 2397 | 10 见站内信箱。
国外的, 《理想国》《联邦党人文集》《纯粹理性批判》《国富论》应该都不错,如
果语言不是问题,可能读原版至少是英语翻译可能会好很多(我严重怀疑翻译的水平)
。不过说来惭愧,这些书我也没怎么读过或者通读过/读懂过。这都是朋友们推荐给我
的。曾子"吾日三省吾身:为人谋而不忠乎?与朋友交而不信乎?传不习乎?” 我这样大概就
是传不习了,呵呵。
这里有一篇余英时论读书的文章,我觉得还不错
http://www.126blog.com/user1/YICAO/archives/2009/2009723133858.
余英时:我们怎么读中国书
推荐中国传统的读书法,讲得最亲切有昧的无过于朱熹。《朱子语类》中有《总论为学
之方》一卷和《读书法》两卷,我希望读者肯花点时间去读一读,对于怎样进入中国旧
学间的世界一定有很大的帮助。朱子不但现身说法,而且也总结了荀子以来的读书经验
,最能为我们指点门迳。
我们不要以为这是中国的旧方法,和今天西方的新方法相比早已落伍了。我曾经比
较过朱子读书法和今天西方所谓"诠释学"的异同,发现彼此相通之处甚多。"诠释学"所
分析的各种层次,大致都可以在朱子... 阅读全帖 |
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c*c 发帖数: 2397 | 11 【 以下文字转载自 LeisureTime 讨论区 】
发信人: cxc (宁鸣而死不默而生), 信区: LeisureTime
标 题: 余英时:反智论与中国政治传统
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 19 14:29:57 2011, 美东)
http://www.historykingdom.com/read-htm-tid-107849.html
反智论与中国政治传统
——论儒、道、法三家政治思想的分野与汇流
一 引 言
中国的政治传统中一向弥漫着一层反智的气氛;我们如果用“自古已然,于今为烈
”这句成语来形容它,真是再恰当不过了。但是首先我们要说明什么叫做“反智”。
“反智论”是译自英文的anti-intellectualism,也可以译做“反智识主义”。“
反智论”并非一种学说、一套理论,而是一种态度;这种态度在文化的各方面都有痕迹
可寻,并不限于政治的领域。中国虽然没有“反智论”这个名词,但“反智”的现象则
一直是存在的。因为这个现象可以说普遍地存在于一切文化之中,中国自然不是例外。
研究这一现象的学者都感到不易给“反智论”下一个清晰的定义... 阅读全帖 |
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B******r 发帖数: 1932 | 12 The drunkenly spoken Wu dialect is so sweet,
by the white-haired old man and his wife? |
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h*****5 发帖数: 566 | 13 古代的爱尔兰
古希腊和古罗马的著作家以及教会的神甫们,关于爱尔兰都讲述得很少。
但是还存在着相当丰富的地方文献,虽然在十六世纪和十七世纪时有许多爱尔兰的手稿
已经毁于战火。这些文献包括短诗、文法、辞典、年表和其他历史著作以及法律汇编。
不过,除去极少数的例外,所有这些至少包括了八世纪至十七世纪这一时期的文献,都
只是手写本。用爱尔兰语出版书籍是不久以前才开始的,恰好是在这种语言已开始消亡
的时候。因此,原有的丰富材料只有极小的一部分可以被利用。
在年表中最重要的是“提格尔纳赫神甫年表”(该神甫于1088年去世),“奥尔斯脱年
表”,特别是“四教长年表”。“四教长年表”是1632—1636年圣芳济派教士迈克尔·
奥克莱里领导其他三个seanchaidhes(编年史家)在多尼果耳修道院编成的,他们所根
据的材料现在几乎已经完全散失。这部带有批注并附有英译文的年表是奥顿诺凡于1856
年据现在还保存着的多尼果耳修道院原手稿出版的。[注:由约翰·奥顿诺凡博士出版
并附有英译文的“四教长编爱尔兰王国年表”七卷集,1856年都柏林第2版四开本(《
Annala Rioghachta Eirea... 阅读全帖 |
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v***r 发帖数: 1046 | 14 If it is "Tan", it could be "Chen" in MinNan local dialect (Hokkien). |
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m***n 发帖数: 12188 | 15 很简单啊。
传统上,我们和你们关于语言的概念有些区别。你们的许多语言,西班牙语,葡萄牙语
,法语,意大利语,我们都看作同一语言的方言。
他们肯定立刻明白了。
traditionally, we have a different concept for language. what you think as
different languages, such as spanish, italian, french, we think they are one
language, just different dialects.
要让老外震撼一下,你还可以发挥说: 按照我们的观点,你们整个欧洲基本都是一个
语言,一个民族。也许要除掉巴斯克匈牙利拉普土耳其什么的,不过没必要这么细节了。
According to our tradition, the whole europe is one single nation, and all
european languages are but one single language. the first world war is but a
ci... 阅读全帖 |
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v******a 发帖数: 45075 | 16 语言和方言是不一样的
language, dialect
语言有书面文字载体的功能,特别是文学作品,方言是口头的,短篇的,小范围的文字
传播有,但无法想象你用粤语或上海话来写红楼梦。当然小说中有根据历史,情节环境
需要使用的方言,比如贾平凹书里的陕西话,但整本小说不可能用陕西话来写。 |
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j******2 发帖数: 40 | 17 I would say: Most places in China don't have their own written language.
They all have their local dialects. So there is just one written language. |
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v******a 发帖数: 45075 | 18 cantonese根本不能算language, 只能算dialect
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can |
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M*******c 发帖数: 4371 | 19 Even pronunciation is very different.
On the other hand, northern Chinese dialect has been affected by northern
nomad. It could not be used to read ancient poem. |
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m***n 发帖数: 12188 | 20 历史写作的变化巨大,不久以前的作品的许多说法,在今天很多都是禁忌,比如种族主
义的描述。
英国 Will Durant 写的名著《世界文明史》的第一卷《Our oriental heritage 》。
从名字看就是明显的西方中心。写于上世纪初期,其中对中国的描写还不错。我发现,
从16世纪到20世纪初期,凡是对东方有一点了解的,基本都是对中国观感不错。
但是在50年代以后,也就是中共上台,西方历史著作对中国人整体的评价急转直下了。
抄录几段有趣的:
作者说中国人总体上是亚洲最优秀种族。
The Chinese vary in stature, being shorter and weaker in the south, taller
and stronger in the north; in general they are the most vigorous people in
Asia.
They show great physical stamina, magnificent courage, exceptional
resistance to disease, and a cl... 阅读全帖 |
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f********t 发帖数: 6999 | 21 The term "Sumerian" is the common name given to the ancient non-Semitic
inhabitants of Mesopotamia, Sumer, by the Semitic Akkadians. The Sumerians
referred to themselves as ù sa gíg-ga (cuneiform:
), phonetically u sa giga, literally meaning "the black-headed
people", and to their land as ki-en-gi(-r) ('place' + 'lords' + 'noble'),
meaning "place of the noble lords".[16] The Akkadian word Shumer may
represent the geographical name in dialect, but the phonological development
leading to the Akkad... 阅读全帖 |
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cl 发帖数: 165 | 23 google translate gives
minnan dialect |
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r*****s 发帖数: 184 | 24 oh, Southern Min dialets 也可以 少用minnan dialect |
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i***a 发帖数: 4718 | 25 Very interesting about Sart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sart
Separation between the Uzbek and Uyghur nationalities
Throughout the Qing Dynasty, the sedentary Turkic inhabitants of the oases
around the Tarim speaking Qarluq-Chagatay dialects were still largely known
as Taranchi, Sart, ruled by their Moghul rulers of Khojijan or Chagatay
lineages. Other parts of the Islamic World still knew this area as
Moghulistan or as the eastern part of Turkestan, and the Qing Chinese
generally lumped all off |
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o***e 发帖数: 3526 | 26 喔,砖家出现了。你说说粤语为啥是一种语言?Cantonese怎么说也就是一种dialect. |
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o***e 发帖数: 3526 | 27 dialect和language这两个词的差别,你知道不?
准。 |
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m****k 发帖数: 286 | 28 don't speak dialects such mandarin in the public.
Be civilized, speak English |
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k*********t 发帖数: 2999 | 29 why waste your time on someone unable to distinguish between dialect and
language? |
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h*******a 发帖数: 573 | 30 Cantonese is a language in its own right. It is Fang Yan. Dialects are
viewed as languages by many linguists.
You may disagree with me, but at least please show some respect to other
people who disagree with you. That's called BEING POLITE. |
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r*****g 发帖数: 9999 | 31 先把dialect和accent的区别搞清楚。 |
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C********g 发帖数: 9656 | 32 送交者: YDX 2011年01月19日14:42:15 于 [军事天地] 发送悄悄话
从朝鲜局势看共产党军事力量的优势 (2010-05-29 02:31:17)
标签: 朝鲜 韩国 天安舰 共军 战斗力 金融危机 军事
鸦片战争前后,中国GDP世界第一。当时的美国还很弱,直到1860年时人口只有3000万
,大部分都是农民。欧洲国家相对较强,但长期跟中国贸易都是巨额逆差。根据西方历
史学家的著作,欧洲国家从印第安人那弄的金银都跑到中国去了。后来的历史我们都知
道,英国人通过战争机器把鸦片强加于中国人民,从此中国走上了百年的屈辱,割地赔
款、家园被毁、生灵涂炭。西方的军事力量通过战争转化为经济实利。西方与日本通过
掠夺捞到了第一桶金,从此过上幸福生活。而中国人几千年的老底被抢光、烧光不说,
连性命都不保。倭寇在中国各地肆意残杀,至今令人记忆犹新。
今天的朝鲜虽然穷,却很强硬。南韩要朝鲜道歉,朝鲜很不屑,反而要完成统一大业,
并且毫不掩饰地说核武不是摆设。在强横的朝鲜人民军面前,富裕的韩国人面对拒不道
歉的北朝鲜人有什么脾气吗?
回顾历史,我们会发现,共产党军队从来没在战... 阅读全帖 |
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u***r 发帖数: 4825 | 33 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/30/nyregion/snakehead-fish-are-a
http://www.nytimes.com/
A Delicacy on Chinatown Plates, but a Killer in Water
The walls in the basement of a building in Brooklyn’s Chinatown were
whitewashed, and boxes of cleaning supplies were stacked on the red tile
floor. But beneath the disinfectant smell, the unmistakable odor of fish
lingered as the flimsiest calling card of a former tenant.
Enlarge This Image
New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
The snake... 阅读全帖 |
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a***o 发帖数: 1182 | 35 【 以下文字转载自 Shanghai 讨论区 】
发信人: aoyao (aoyao), 信区: Shanghai
标 题: NYU丑化上海
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri May 6 12:41:19 2011, 美东)
http://www.nyu.edu/global/global-academic-centers1/shanghai/liv
Each area in China has its own generalizations about the people who live
there. The Shanghainese, in particular, seem to have a bad reputation among
the many Chinese sub-cultures. Others think of the Shanghainese as greedy,
rude, ruthless, cunning, opportunistic, and unpatriotic because of their
position as China抯 bu... 阅读全帖 |
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 36 (1) 俄指责中国挖界河将改变边界线. VOA Chinese, May 7, 2011
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news
/20110507-china-russia-121434629.html
("俄罗斯边防官员说,中国在未经俄方同意的情况下擅自挖掘乌苏里江河床的举动违反
了两国边界协议中的有关规定。但俄国边防官员强调,中方有关作业目前已经停止。这
已经不是俄罗斯第一次指责中国擅自挖掘双方界河,试图改变两国边界线。俄国边防部
门以前也曾针对中国发出过相类似的指责")
(2) China's Growing Interests in Siberia; Change in Russia's Far East. Der
Spiegel, May 6, 2011.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,761033,00.html
Quote:
A Russian woman in Russian Far East penned a letter to the president at th... 阅读全帖 |
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z*******2 发帖数: 2643 | 37 Thank you for proving that i am saying an shanghai dialect. |
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p*****c 发帖数: 20445 | 38 「台語」 讓人不安的稱呼
2011-05-26
中國時報
【羅肇錦】
放大
插圖/YUSHA
插圖/YUSHA
這幾天報紙上又開始炒「台語」,這個讓人不安的稱呼,標題上說「台語改稱閩
南話是去台灣化」(自由時報五月二十四日),我直覺的感觸是「閩南話改稱台語是去
客家化」。
在學術界,「台語」(Tai language)本來是指今天的「傣語」,而民間所流行
的ho/lo hue學術界都稱閩南方言或閩南話,譯成英文時則用Minan dialect。
後來在台灣的大眾傳播,把「台灣的語言」簡稱為「台語」,而台語之中又以閩
南語最流行,說這種話的人也最多,於是大家都不顧事實,把台語等同於閩南語,譯成
Taiwan language,更有人就從Chinese對譯出Taiwanese。
以「台語」或「台灣話」來代表閩南話,犯了以偏概全、以大吃小的謬誤。這個
稱呼有兩個盲點:第一,內涵上並不符合台灣所有的語言,容易引起原住民、客語等族
群的不滿;第二,對廣大的閩南話不利。因為使用台灣話來代表閩南話,就自外於其他
地方的閩南話,如海外的閩... 阅读全帖 |
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 39 More about sewer system: (1) is about Europe's, as sightseeing attractions,
and (2), New York City.
(1) Daniel Michaels, It's Flush Times for the Darkest Stop on the Grand Tour
—Europe's Sewers;
If it's Tuesday, it must be Vienna or Paris; Love Among the effluent in
Brighton. all Street Journal, May 28, 2011.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274
8704681904576321044058634186.html
Quote:
"And the wellspring of sewer tourism, Paris's Musée des Égouts,
plans a makeover to handle ris... 阅读全帖 |
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p****i 发帖数: 401 | 40 Don not speak Tungusic languages, like Peiping dialects, in the public.
做文明人,公众场合不说北平话 |
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 41 (1) Construction of China-Myanmar railway could start in December. DPA, Aug
29, 2011.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news
/article_1659676.php/Construction-of-China-Myanmar-railway-could-start-in-
December
Quote:
"'The whole project will take five years and cost about 20 billion US
dollars. China will bear the cost and the agreement will be based on BOT (
build, operate and transfer) for 50 years,' [Myanmar Railway Transportation
Minister] Aung Min told the German Press Agency d... 阅读全帖 |
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D**S 发帖数: 24887 | 42 Obviously you are not good at authentic Beijing dialect, either.
Because there is no such a phrase as "丫的". |
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k********k 发帖数: 5617 | 43 http://news.creaders.net/headline/subject_details.php?nid=49457
万维读者网 > 中国嘹望 > 万维专稿 > 正文
从解放军的外语看中国的战略
万维读者网 2011-11-23 22:05:45
万维读者网记者江夏编译报道:美国军方《武装部队杂志》(Armed Forces Journal)
2011年11月号刊登韓德森(Scott J. Henderson)的文章说,美国和西方对中国的观察
,通常基于政府政策的演变、外交关系、实力重组等因素,但还有另一个有用的参照物
,那就是军队的外语培训。
早在1949年,中国人民解放军就在洛阳建立了外语学院,作为培养国防语言人才的摇篮
。现在洛阳“解放军外语大学”已经培养了5万多名毕业生,担负起军事翻译、军事外
交、国际反恐、联合国维和行动等各项工作。从该校的课程设置可知,这是一所培训(
能破解密碼的)多种语言人才的军事情报学府。
解放军外语大学出版自己的《外语杂志》。1978年至1987年,以英文、俄文、日文、韩
文为主要出版语种。相对少的外国语种,显示当时中国主要关注的是周边... 阅读全帖 |
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f********g 发帖数: 770 | 44
1.如果你说gender具有一定生物基础,还算有一定根据,谁告诉你race是生物差异了?
不论从基因,从身体特征,都无法清晰的划分出人种的界限。gender and race are
socially constructed,这个早就已经是共识,你就成了生物属性了。建议你去读一读
Omi和Winant的Racial Formation in the U.S.: From 1860-1960,他们对美国的批判
也许会带给你对资本社会新的认识。
2.的确,Bourdieau是谈到文化资本和经济资本互相转换,这也是我为什么提醒你
social class并不是完全由经济决定的。说明他们之间存在dialectical的关系,并不
存在谁决定谁的问题。到你这里又成了经济基础决定上层建筑了。人的性别和人种差异
决定了每个人的cultural capital和social capital。马克思对此没有任何的阐述。
3.你所说的所谓社会主义女权运动,最早的理论根据是恩格斯的那本著名的The Origin
Of Monogamous Family。恩格斯尝试着对马克思的阶级理论进行补充,所以提出... 阅读全帖 |
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x******g 发帖数: 33885 | 45 嗯,Bourdieau说的全都是真理,你都全信了。哈哈
当然social class并不是完全由经济决定,但social class 99%是由经济决定的。什么
cultural capital和social capital,都是excuses. 家里没钱能办到吗?
看来Bourdieau可以歇歇了。
social class并不是完全由经济决定的。说明他们之间存在dialectical的关系,并不
存在谁决定谁的问题。到你这里又成了经济基础决定上层建筑了。人的性别和人种差异
决定了每个人的cultural capital和social capital。 |
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S**o 发帖数: 447 | 46 Kong Qingdong (Monk Kong) is a real scholar who can apply
Mao's dialectics to reality.
There are two kinds of contradictions: internal and external.
He knows well how to make a balance between the two.
He also knows which one is primary and which one is secondary. |
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e**i 发帖数: 1983 | 47 对孔和尚评价这么高!存档:)
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标 题: Re: “全世界人民要团结起来”——Re: 孔庆东已经向中央投诚了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Mar 26 13:25:23 2012, 美东)
Kong Qingdong (Monk Kong) is a real scholar who can apply
Mao's dialectics to reality.
There are two kinds of contradictions: internal and external.
He knows well how to make a balance between the two.
He also knows which one is primary and which one is secondary. |
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H****g 发帖数: 14447 | 48 1. 证实了毛泽东1975年写给周恩来这首诗。
《江山靠谁守·诉衷情》
当年忠贞为国筹,
何曾怕断头?
如今天下红遍,
江山靠谁守?
业未竟,
身躯倦,
鬓已秋。
你我之辈,
忍将夙愿,
付与东流?
2. 证实了1976年之前根本没有所谓饿死三千万或者大饥荒之说。
3. 毛泽东1975年的担心,或者说1964年的担心,都变成了现实。
4. 毛泽东唯一的遗产就是留给人民的造反精神,终将成燎原之火。
Mao Tse-Tung: Father of Chinese Revolution
By Fox Butterfield
Special to The New York Times
HONG KONG, Sept. 9--Mao Tse-tung, who began as an obscure peasant, died one
of history's great revolutionary figures.
Born at a time when China was wracked by civil strife, beset with terrible
poverty and enc... 阅读全帖 |
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R********n 发帖数: 5904 | 49 这段历史大概被彻底否毛及冷战给掩盖了。从一定程度说,夸克是从中国这窃取的idea?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/05/science/05china.html?_r=1
China Pursues Major Role in Particle Physics
The superconducting magnet for the Large Hadron Collider near Geneva.
This was no idle diversion. According to natural dialectics, which formed
the philosophical underpinnings of Marxism, the entire universe, from top to
bottom, was seething with tension and change. As a result, Mao thought,
nature should be infinitely divisible.
“Take a footlong stic... 阅读全帖 |
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y***e 发帖数: 676 | 50 Abstract
Rural Marketization in China is a new theoretical issue arising with the
deepening of people's theoretical understanding and improvement of rural
market economy practices. In the process of reform and opening over the
years, the primary rural market economy system has been constructed, which
has largely liberated and developed the rural productive forces and promoted
sustainable, rapid and comprehensive development of rural economy. However,
in the meanwhile, some new critical problems ... 阅读全帖 |
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