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发帖数: 6149 | 1 Ladies and gentleman, winner of the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award, and
loser of 2013 Australian Open Semi |
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发帖数: 465 | 3 据说Edberg是菲菲儿时的偶像。现在看来两个人打球飘逸的风格还真的蛮像的。 |
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发帖数: 25274 | 4 自己和徒弟在其指导下都拿下了温网。
网坛的贝肯鲍尔？
老费的教练埃德博格在温网决赛和贝克尔相遇4次，拿下其中3次冠军。贝克尔比埃德博
格小2岁。
The tennis players Boris Becker (Germany) and Stefan Edberg (Sweden) met 35
times between 1984 and 1996. Although Becker led their overall head-to-head
series 25–10 and won all three of their Davis Cup matches, Edberg won three
of their four meetings in Grand Slams.
The most defining aspect of their rivalry was the three successive Wimbledon
finals that they played. In the 1988 meeting, Becker was the huge favorite,
and sto... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 645 | 5 Glad to help, if you want to read.
[edit] Singles championshipsFederer has won 17 Grand Slam titles, breaking
the previous all-time men's record of 14 by Pete Sampras. Federer won 17
Majors in a span of 37 Majors (2003 Wimbledon – 2012 Wimbledon championship
), while Sampras won 14 in 49 majors (1990 US Open – 2002 US Open).[1]
Federer is sixth on all-time Grand Slam singles list, preceded by Steffi
Graf (22), Martina Navratilova (18), Chris Evert (18), Margaret Court (24),
and Helen Moody (19) ... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 6 Also, Connors vs Edberg is 6-6 lifetime. Connors is 13 years older.
In your Agassi logic, this would mean the Connors era (Connors/
McEnroe) is much stronger than the Edberg era (Lendl/Edberg/Becker).
Doesn't seem so.
Some people just get old slower. |
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发帖数: 30533 | 7 That basically means there was either a little bit of luck
involved, or Graf was having some mental toughness issue.
Another example is Becker vs Edberg. Becker is 25-10 against
Edberg. However, in GS finals, he is 1-2. Some people may think
Edberg is the better in the duet; I don't think so. |
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发帖数: 30533 | 8 给大家看看历史上年龄有差距的rivalries.
1) 最著名的莫过于Connors-Lendl. 两人相差6.5岁。
一开始Connors仗着Lendl初出茅庐，8-0。
然后Lendl开始赢球了，两人互有胜负，13-6.
然后Connors就杯具了，连输17次。13-23.
2) Connors-McEnore, 相差5岁。
一开始Connors仗着McEnore初出茅庐，4-0。
然后McEnore开始赢球了，两人互有胜负，12-9.
然后Connors就杯具了，连输11次。12-20.
然后Connors回光返照，最后阶段还赢了两次，14-21.
3) Lendl-Edberg, 相差5岁。
Edberg初出茅庐就很猛，和Lendl打得不可开交，3-3.
然后Lendl稍占上风，13-10。
最后Edberg终于连胜4次，13-14.
4) Federer-Nadal, 相差5岁。
Nadal初出茅庐就很猛，6-1.
然后Nadal继续稍占上风，18-10。 |
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发帖数: 25274 | 9 老德的师傅好像有８次：
Boris Becker's 5-set record is 32-15 (a 68.09 winning percentage).
1985 Wimbledon R32: Boris Becker def. Joakim Nystrom (3-6, 7-6, 6-1, 4-6, 9-
7)
1985 Wimbledon R16: Boris Becker def. Tim Mayotte (6-3, 4-6, 6-7, 7-6, 6-2)
1985 Wembley F: Ivan Lendl def. Boris Becker (6-7, 6-3, 4-6, 6-4, 6-4)
1985 Australian Open R64: Michiel Schapers def. Boris Becker (3-6, 6-4, 7-6,
4-6, 6-3)
1986 French Open R16: Boris Becker def. Emilio Sanchez (6-0, 4-6, 4-6, 6-4,
6-2)
1986 US Open SF: Miloslav ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 9698 | 10 纽约饮用水遭粪便污染 多座水塔含大肠杆菌
发布于 2014-01-27, 周一 14:15
【侨报纽约网报道】由纽约时报发起的一项调查显示，曼哈顿、布碌仑及皇后区的
部分建筑的水塔中存在大肠杆菌（E. coli, coliform）。同时，纽约时报还披露，纽
约市中数千座盛装着上百万纽约客饮用水的水塔，经年来从未依照相关规定进行过应有
的检测。
据NBC新闻网援引纽约时报报道，调查人员在纽约市曼哈顿、布碌仑和皇后区的12
座建筑水塔中提取水样进行化验后，发现了其中5座水塔所蓄水中含有存在于鸟类和其
他哺乳动物粪便中的大肠杆菌。根据联邦法律规定，当饮用水中发现大肠杆菌存在后，
该水塔所盛的水必须经烧开后才可被饮用。
据了解，该研究通过检测发现大肠杆菌的5座水箱及没有发现该细菌的另外三座水
箱后得出结论：虽然大肠杆菌本身并没有太大危害，但它可以为其他有害细菌的滋生提
供很好的生长环境。
此外，研究还发现，所有发现问题的水箱内的大肠杆菌几乎都存在于水箱底部，以
及供给整栋楼各户水龙头的水管之下，但是由于大楼的水流会在水箱中进行循环，因此
公共卫生专家表示，在水箱中发现大肠杆菌依... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 19 | 11 I remembered reading an article from tennisone.com. I believe it's from Nick
Bonechelli(forgot his last name).
anyway, he is talking about he once tone Stefan Edberg for Edberg's second
coming back. Again, i may (must) have mixed up some names and exacts.
anyway, point is that he is talking about the modern game of really compact
and swift (even rushed) back swing and the classic "raise your raq" and wait
for the next shot long swing.
I think it makes sense that you backswing too early you wait |
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发帖数: 30533 | 12 Edberg和Roddick等高，球速相差10万8千里。
Edberg比老桑高，发球比老桑烂。 |
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发帖数: 1696 | 13 16 players stayed in No. 1 for more than 10 weeks. All of them are between 1
.80 and 1.90
1. United States Sampras, PetePete Sampras 286
2. Switzerland Federer, RogerRoger Federer + 285
3. Czech Republic Lendl, IvanIvan Lendl 270
4. United States Connors, JimmyJimmy Connors 268
5. United States McEnroe, JohnJohn McEnroe 170
6. Sweden Borg, BjörnBjörn Borg 109
7. Spain Nadal, RafaelRafael Nadal + 102
8. United States Agassi, An... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 378 | 14 恭喜我家小德
附
ATP WORLD TOUR YEAR-END NO. 1
(since 1973)
Year Player
2011 Novak Djokovic (Serbia)
2010 Rafael Nadal (Spain)
2009 Roger Federer (Switzerland)
2008 Rafael Nadal (Spain)
2007 Roger Federer (Switzerland)
2006 Roger Federer (Switzerland)
2005 Roger Federer (Switzerland)
2004 Roger Federer (Switzerland)
2003 Andy Roddick (U.S.)
2002 Lleyton Hewitt (Australia)
2001 Lleyton Hewitt (Australia)
2000 Gustavo Kuerten (Brazil)
1999 Andre Agas... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 25274 | 15 那些说张德培不够厉害的还是闭嘴吧：
６６１场胜利，我德和我纳都没做到呢．．．
OPEN ERA MATCH WINS
(600 or more)
1 J. Connors 1222
2 I. Lendl 1070
3 G. Vilas 920
4 A. Agassi 870
5 J. McEnroe 867
6 S. Edberg 806
7 P. Sampras 762
8 R. Federer 743
9 I. Nastase 724
10 B. Becker 713
11 M. Chang 661
12 T. Muster 626
13 S. Smith 615
14 A. Ashe 613
Edberg |
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发帖数: 1696 | 16 黑导这么认真，我再说一个看法。这点不是听专家说的，是自己悟的，你看看有没有道
理。
其实你自己没有意识到你的整个分析中作了一个缺省的假设，导致整个分析有失偏颇。
原因可能是因为你是打双反的，没有意识到这点。：）
这就是你的分析假设小臂和拍子的夹角是对两人相同的。实际从第一长图片你就可以看
出来他们两个的夹角是不同的。四蛋更接近垂直握拍，夹角偏向直角；老费更接近平行
握拍，夹角远离直角。这个角度我暂且估计一下，大概四蛋是100度，老费是120度，可
能不准，就是说老费的角度要大些。
这个角度和握拍相关，但不是绝对决定的，也就是说假设两人都是大陆式，这个角度你
可以选大点，也可以选小点。不过如果握拍是西方式，通常更垂直些，否则很难受，你
试试就知道了。
这个角度很关键，历史上凡是偏重力量的选手，角度更接近直角，比如四蛋和Gustavo
Kuerten，等等。历史上凡是偏重灵活性的选手，角度都更大些，比如老费和Stephen
Edberg，等等。
而且更好玩的是，凡是角度接近直角的，通常习惯直臂，而且手腕击球前是比较锁定的
（但是击球后可能转很多）。而凡是角度更开放的，通常胳膊略弯，而且手腕... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 9531 | 17 Roger Federer hopes his kids don't take up tennis
Roger Federer hopes his children choose not to follow in their father's
footsteps as the Swiss says he would grow bored with 40 years of tennis.
Federer's twin daughters, Myla and Charlene, were both in attendance as the
34-year-old cruised into the Australian Open third round with a 6-3, 7-5, 6-
1 victory over Ukraine's Alexandr Dolgopolov.
The girls, who are six years old, were more interested in their books than
their father's victory on Rod L... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 25274 | 18 主要是大师赛成绩不佳吧,或者当时大师赛积分不高？
In 1989, Becker won two Grand Slam singles titles, the only year he won more
than one. After losing to Edberg in the French Open semifinals, he defeated
Edberg in the Wimbledon final, and then beat Lendl in the US Open final. He
also helped West Germany retain the Davis Cup, defeating Andre Agassi in
the semifinal round. As a result, Becker was named Player of The Year by the
ATP Tour. The world no. 1 ranking, however, still eluded him. |
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发帖数: 30533 | 19 You sure? Edberg killed a lines person. And he (Edberg) was only 17.
Yes, he was 正常打球. |
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发帖数: 29 | 20 原来是这样，Edberg把打墙当作重要练习手段，看来是运动素质不行。 |
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发帖数: 32 | 21 作者: lemann (202.99.77.14) 日期: 07-23 09:24
<<法国小子争辉>>
Cedric Pioline,让我们来谈谈这个网坛上微不足道的名字.
也许pete很想忘掉这个名字,虽然皮奥林在1993年的美网公开赛上被
他很轻易的击败.
这就是麻烦所在.
进入决赛时皮奥林成为传奇人物,他是否输给桑普拉斯并不重要,他已
经达到了目的,第四轮击败Jim Courier,第五轮击败Wally Masur,成
为61年以来第一个闯入美网决赛的法国选手.
<<孩提时代的劲敌---张德培>>
这次比赛中,桑普拉斯努力击败了孩提时代的劲敌张德培而晋级,张德
培时他晋级决赛的唯一障----桑普拉斯在获得第一次温布尔登锦标赛
冠军后,意志相依的第二个美网桂冠,这只他第三次进入美网决赛,这
样他就可以一年夺双冠,并成为世界第一.
93年的夏天,桑普拉斯光芒四射,他需要一个更好的诱饵.他应该的对
手是courier,edberg or agassi.
可是却是皮奥林.一个排名非常低的非种子选手,擅长反手切球,除法
国的小比赛之外没有获得过冠军,这是他第一次,可能也是最后一次 |
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发帖数: 28 | 22 I have:
1990 US OPEN FINAL VS EDBERG
2000 ERISSION OPEN FINAL VS GUGA
2000 WILBELDOM FINAL VS RAFTER
2000 US OPEN QUATAR VS KRAJICEK
2000 AUS OPEN QUATER VS AGASSI
2001 US OPEN SEMI VS AGASSI
THAT WOULD BE 10 VCDS.
PETE IS GREAT. |
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k**y
发帖数: 320 | 23
上网多了减慢球速，底线多了加快球速，其实挺无聊的。。。
现在赛事越来越频繁。保持排名就很难保持状态。牛人和烂人之间的距离越来越小，
而且专攻一项(草地，土地。。。)的人越来越多。连续排名第一越来越难。
桑没那么神圣，但是他处在创造神圣的时代。未来的球星即使再有天赋，也没有
这么好的机会。(除非排名的规则修改，网球自愿发展水平而少赚钱)
his
没
老桑的反手绝对算不上好，正手的rally也绝对不能算第一，正手威胁最大的是running
forehand，但说第一不让人信服。发球上网第一可能差不多。rafter，和以前的Edberg
球
accomplished
肉
记录有好多种，当然他的大满贯数目最多这记录比较值钱。可阿加西4个都拿过，而且4个 |
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发帖数: 113 | 24 就是觉得费的对手太差了，比起桑的对手，不是一个档次。关公战秦琼的不同时代的绝
对水平对比不好说，攻击费的绝好手段，还是这些对手牛茶杯太少。
可是这里的主要原因就是费这段时间太统治了，9/14。假如说他是正常的6/14（这个已
经可以说是比较统治了），余下三个冠军，分给温网连续一次半决赛、两次决赛，和这
次美网决赛的罗迪克（想象一下他如果是2温2美，大家怎么评论他），或者连续美网决
赛、半决赛输给他的一休，那他们都在24、5岁有3、4个大满贯了，加上2个的萨芬和年
轻但已有成就的纳达尔，以及巴格达、加斯奎特这些后来的teenager们，对手群其实一
点不算差，年龄分布也很合理。
桑的对手，大家总是搬巨星吓人。但其实Lendel、McEnroe、Wilander这些人和他基本
没有交集，Becker、Edberg也早在桑崛起的93-98年之前过了巅峰。其他主要对手的
Bruguera、Kafelnikov、Rafter、Ivanisevic、Krajicek等人，丝毫没有看出比现在罗
迪克、纳达尔这些人牛。
他真正的对手还是自己的四大天王，但其中Chang就不说了，Courier也是奇怪的 |
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发帖数: 299 | 25 Isn't Federer's 1st Wimbeldon title from beating philipouses by straight
sets?
Ivan, do you think he played better on grass than Roddick? Roddick owns the
same power serving and get better baseline skill.
Can Rafter's soft BH slice neutralize nowaday's hard hitting baseliner? I
really doubt.
On clay, isn't Nadal the best clay player in history?
When mentioning Becker and Edberg, don't forget they're not belong to the
same age as Pete.
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at
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发帖数: 5654 | 27 good point, i will watch out for that, i was lucky that i had a coach
last year, also my strength is NOT definitely forehand/backhand strokes,
but footwork, replacement, touch mental and powerful serves!
After i become a solid 3.5 or 4.0 player, i will focus on squash, my
goal is becoming top 100 in racketlon in the world over 40 in 5-10 years,
image if i meet Edberg(i know he plays racketlon), i will try to beat him
in table tennis or badminton, then if i meet Waldner, i will try to beat
him in |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 28 Well said. I support you.
But I disagree on one of your observations.
You said S&V can hold on until 60 years old. There might be a
misunderstanding. Most old guys are better at S&V because they
play doubles. Each guy only needs to cover half of the court,
and it's easier to S&V. If they play singles, it will be hard
to S&V since their movement is slower.
If you watch those 元老赛，you will find that Becker does baseline
mostly now, and Borg still sticks to baseline as he used to.
Edberg and McEnroe |
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m**k
发帖数: 1008 | 29 Stefan Edberg, Jim Courier, Chris Evert and Mary Pierce also use Prostaff 6.
0 Original. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 31 只列出了Graphite拍。如果遇到下列拍子便宜卖，可以直接拿下。
Dunlop Max 200G:
Used by McEnroe, Graf.
Head Prestige Classic 600
Used by Safin, Ivanisevic.
Prince Original Graphite (POG)
Used by Chang, Agassi, Sabatini.
Pro Kennex Black Ace
Wilson Prostaff 6.0
Used by Sampras, Edberg, Connors, Evert, Federer.
Yonex R-22
Used by Navratilova. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 32 Becker大4岁，Edberg大6岁，而且两个人都是17岁出道的，Sampras出来的
时候两人都已经快收官了。Sampras夺取第一个GS后，两人总共只得过4个
GS.
偶说了老桑H2H没有明显劣势是他的优点，但是列出对手的总GS数偶觉得就
不怎么靠铺了。欧前面举出了Nadal的例子，H2H占尽优势，光胜狒狒一人就
顶16个GS，但是现在没有人说他比老桑强。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 33 OK, 证据来了。
至今为止，总共只有5人在大满贯上实现triple bagel. 其中，Roland
Garros占了3次。
1968 RG R128 Nikola Spear d. Daniel Contet 6-0 6-0 6-0
1987 RG R64 Karel Novacek d. Eduardo Bengoechea 6-0 6-0 6-0
1987 WM R128 Stefan Edberg d. Stefan Eriksson 6-0 6-0 6-0
1987 US R128 Ivan Lendl d. Barry Moir 6-0 6-0 6-0
1993 RG R64 Sergi Bruguera d. Thierry Champion 6-0 6-0 6-0
唯一没出现过的是AO, 而Murray在2007年差一点就完成了。他6-0, 6-0,
5-0之后输掉了一局，于是只得6-0, 6-0, 6-1. |
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w**k
发帖数: 1455 | 34 我不知道你的球王标准是什么，24岁就拿了8个大满贯，18个大师赛冠军，拿到世界第
一，多次在大满贯决赛中击败有史以来最强的FF，还要怎么样啊？ 连Lendel， Agassi
， Edberg都能称王， Nadal难道还不行啊
Nadal的攻击性你去看他比赛就完了，Nadal现在攻守平衡很好，绝对不是你想象的那种
就等别人UEs |
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O*****g
发帖数: 1257 | 35 edberg sportsmanship award 6 years in a row...this is one of the reasons I
like fed.. |
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 36 These are not so bad. I believe Edberg killed a lineman in an accident. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 37 McEnroe明显最强。看来技术才是关键阿。。。
1. Thomas Enqvist (36)
1700
2. Goran Ivanisevic (39)
1380
3. Guy Forget (42)
950
4. John McEnroe (51)
820
5. Y.Kafelnikov (36)
710
6. Pat Cash (45)
570
7. Greg Rusedski (37)
550
8. Wayne Ferreira (39)
530
9. Stefan Edberg (44)
480
10. Pat Rafter (37)
460 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 38 Wilson Prostaff Original was probably one of the most widely used
tennis rackets by pros in history.
List a few pros that have used PS 6.0 in their career:
Sampras
Edberg
Courier
Chris Evert
Connors
Pierce
Capriati
Federer |
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发帖数: 30533 | 39 most consecutive weeks in the top 5
Jimmy Connors 659 [Sep 24, 1973 May 05, 1986]
Ivan Lendl 588 [Oct 20, 1980 Jan 20, 1992]
Pete Sampras 491 [Jan 27, 1992 Jun 18, 2001]
Roger Federer 411 [Feb 17, 2003 Dec 27, 2010]
John McEnroe 398 [Nov 20, 1978 Jun 30, 1986]
Bjorn Borg 383 [Sep 27, 1974 Jan 22, 1982]
Stefan Edberg 373 [Aug 18, 1986 Oct 04, 1993]
Rafael Nadal 295 [May 09, 2005 Dec 27, 2010]
Boris Becker 209 [Jul 04, 1988 Jun 29, 1992]
Mats Wilander 205 [Apr 18, 1983 Mar 16, 1987] |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 40 Ok, 偶理解有误。那照这么说，双反也长期占据top 1几十年了。
单反在以前绝非仅仅是适合top 1选手的技术，而是普遍的流行于all top 100.
光说graphite时代，McEnroe后期/Lendl/Edberg/Becker时代，著名双反可能
就只有Wilander。甚至女选手也都是什么Graf/Sabatini的。
在老桑时代，也基本是半壁江山。
到了老费时代，还剩多少呢？ |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 41 Lendl has higher historical status than Connors -- more GSs,
more dominant among other top players.
Connors was not a god of that era, he had similar achievements
as McEnroe, and both of them were not as good as Borg.
My major point was that it is meaningless to look at the H2H
record of players that are from different age groups and then
draw conclusions. (Is Edberg much worse than Connors?) Some
people peak early, some late. It's different. |
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发帖数: 16592 | 42 史上一共7个运动员取得过全部四大满贯的冠军，其中就有阿光；
阿光取得总奖金数目，排在所有运动员第四位。
在阿加西职业生涯中得过8个大满贯title，从22岁第一个之后，到33岁第八个title，
和他一起挣tittle的那些取得multiple grand slam title的人有哪些呢，
有Edberg， Courier，sampras，Becker，Rafter，Hewitte，Kurten，Safin，
Bruguera，Kafelnikov
不用说还有莫亚，一万年萨维奇，等等7，8个一贯王。
在这一强手如林的时代，从22岁到33岁，他有能力那大满贯的11年，去掉因为吃药问题
以及后来从100名开外打challenge回到前10所耽误的3年，在他8年满贯生涯中，
有101周，大约两年，位居No.1
小德同学，2夺大满贯冠军，时隔三年，还没No.1过。 |
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发帖数: 1835 | 43 现在速度比阿加西那时快多了。
你看前几天贴出来的Becker vs Edberg，还是温网，速度都那么慢。都是在球下降时击
球。后来80年代初阿加西发明了 take the ball earlier 的概念。20年的演化，现在
是 cut throat 了。 |
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发帖数: 30533 | 44 Becker vs Edberg已经很快了，出乎偶的意料。同时代的比如Wilander
vs Lendl US Open final要慢很多。那个时代的拍子力量很小。 |
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发帖数: 30533 | 45 There are tons of rivalries with more than 35 matches total.
Connors Lendl
Lendl McEnroe
Connors McEnroe
Becker Edberg
...
We should only come back to this topic once Nadal Joker reach 35 matches. |
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发帖数: 30533 | 46 So far seems to be Lendl/Connors 22-13 or Becker/Edberg 25-10. |
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发帖数: 30533 | 47 当年Ivanisevic动作难看，但是发球无敌。
后来Roddick动作难看，但是发球无敌; Dent动作难看，但是发球无敌。
现在Soderling动作难看，但是发球不错；Karlovic动作难看，但是发球无敌。
当年Edberg动作标准，但是发球只是OK.
现在Federer动作标准，但是发球也只是不错而已。
所以好像两者无关阿。 |
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发帖数: 30533 | 48 Edberg动作就和Sampras一样优美，但是发球就是不行。
他发球要是能快点，以他的volley能力，基本上发球局是无敌了。
他可是6'2"，没道理发不快。
另一个发不快的例子是小德，不过他的动作只是OK，不算太标准。 |
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发帖数: 30533 | 49 haha, 偶确实是觉得PS85的历史比POG OS还是稍差那么一点的，虽然
拍子本身夺得GS的次数要多得多。主要劣势是时间太集中，都是90
年代初左右。
用过PS85的：
Sampras
Edberg
Evert
Courier
Pierce
（以下的没有用PS85得过大满贯）
Connors
Aaron Krickstein
Jennifer Capriati
Jim Grabb
Roger Federer |
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发帖数: 30533 | 50 Edberg never used PSC 6.1. He used PS6.0 85 with a 6.1 paint job. |
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