Y**u
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 09:42:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
from "The joy of living".
It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:39:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
I am also reading this book, and found what the author emphasizes again and
again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:50:20 2011,... 阅读全帖 |
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 2 en, that's what I thought.
I listened a bit more yesterday onto the second disc, about witnessing the thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by Byron Katie.
A notion in this book is that emptyness shows the unlimited possibilities, including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after checking the origi... 阅读全帖 |
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f*******8
发帖数: 3612 | 3
it
我是接着bdbd的那个话说得，我说这个版要读书也要读心，看书也要看心，
这本来的意思是，学佛当然就是认识自己，认识自己当然就是了解自心--读心。
她接过话头，变成了她不喜欢别人读她的心。我就解释说：不是读你的心，
是自读自心---你可以把自己的心捂得严严的。
呵呵
不过另一方面，我相信，人要是能看自己的心，别人的心也就能看了，
佛如果不知众生心，怎么能教导人。
CWG里那个话，你们以为自己躲在家里做什么，上帝不知道么？
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发信人: bdbd (kakali), 信区: Wisdom
标 题: Re: 空 emptyness is not nothingness.
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 20 20:43:18 2011, 美东)
她最喜欢背self help books啦。 我觉得她对评价别人，研究别人很感兴趣，没瞧出她
对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。 |
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 4 That book used an analogy as the enormous space, out of which things appear
and vanish. It makes sense to me, although I am still far away from knowing
this concept of emptyness. |
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g********n
发帖数: 4054 | 5 孙悟空:Monkey understood emptyness. |
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w***5
发帖数: 8282 | 6 To the most, this Latin final was not a surprise. If Ricardo/Julia
won more than 1 dance, it would be a surprise. Michael/Joanna really
dance like a true champion this time and got the audiences with them.
You can read gossip at dance-forums.
Blackpool is smaller and smaller. You came in the right time. German
Open is already a bigger competition and it seems Blackpool won't
win back as much dancers as 5 years ago. For sure, Chinese dancers
will fill up the emptyness of the hall, but Italian and... 阅读全帖 |
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l*********s
发帖数: 2261 | 7 就是空虚吧。Fear of emptyness，有人通过回忆和聊天来解决，有人通过发展些新兴
趣爱好来解决，也有人通过找外遇来解决。 |
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s******g
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lingsu (Imaginary friend) 于 (Sun May 10 00:34:56 2009) 提到:
By Yongey Mingyur Rinpoche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=793eUxsxOOM
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arthury (问题儿童) 于 (Sun May 10 00:37:09 2009) 提到:
老外这边也有人对佛感兴趣啊
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lingsu (Imaginary friend) 于 (Sun May 10 00:44:11 2009) 提到:
Zen, Karma Kagyu, Vipassina,
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 9 from "The joy of living".
It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense. |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 10 I am also reading this book, and found what the author emphasizes again and
again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory. |
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 11 I see. I am only at about 1/5th of it.
Is this wiki explanation on tathagatagarbha that's what you meant?
佛性（梵文：sk. Tathāgatagarbha, Buddhatva），佛教术语，也叫觉性、自性、真
如、实相、如来藏、圆觉等。
佛性一词在不同的情况下可有不同的内涵。《涅槃经》说“佛性有种种名，于一佛性，
亦名法性、涅槃，亦名般若、一乘，亦名首楞严三昧、狮子吼三昧”。大乘佛教的一些
经典认为一切众生皆有佛性，一切众生都有觉悟成佛的可能性。但众生因迷妄的深浅，
而有贤愚、明昧的不同。
在早期結集的佛教經典中並無相關記載，此為公元一世紀後，後般若經時期及唯識初期
所出現之用詞，已經引入印度奧義書和其他教派思想的觀念，為大乘佛教"有宗"的核心
思想，並非全部佛教教派皆認可之觀念。
and again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory. |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 12 yeah, if you are reading the Chinese version, on page 38 (in pdf) you can
see how the author is saying. Quite clear! |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 13 and it is in the 3rd chapter. |
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 14 oh, I am not reading the Chinese version. I am listening to its CDs in
English. Where's the link to the Chinese version?
see how the author is saying. Quite clear! |
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 16 Thanks for the link.
Yes, I find this book very approachable and it helps me to understand more. |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 17 It is also helpful for me, but I do not accept 'tathagatagarbha' theory,
which means I do not accept the foundation of this book.
:-) |
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 18 I am still far from finishing this book, and there're surely many good
things I will talk about it later.
Here's one minor criticism on the understanding of "science" that the
authors think though.
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He assumed that the scientific view of mind should be a like centralized
conductor to the symphony, but the Buddhist view of the mind is different
that the mind is never an entity. But no, that's not even how science
pictured it. There ... 阅读全帖 |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 19 The last paragraph is wonderful. :-) |
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 20 May I know what theory you accept then? I want to know your most basic
opinion.
Also, why do you think that 'tathagatagarbha' is not true? I am not
interested in whether it's stated by Buddha or not, but just why you find it
not true.
which means I do not accept the foundation of this book. |
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Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 21 thank you, will add to the good book list.. |
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f*******8
发帖数: 3612 | 23 不错，有时候用不同语言说同一个事情，还是很有灵动感的，
中文怎么说？真空非顽空，真空非乌有，寂灭非断灭？
所以我认为你应该去参选BM，原因也简单，
这个版的版主应该让学-者来做，而不是让“教者”或管理者来做。
学-者，就是有兴趣并正在学习的人，这样比较有新鲜感，可以时常冒火花。
边学边干，比较有新鲜感和生命力。
其实早期几个版主当时都是学-者，Ray,para，Jstar,Qxc等等。 |
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w*******w
发帖数: 2051 | 24 en, 这个空的概念，我当初学的中文，很久都没搞懂。一切都虚无，名利权情都浮云了
，然后心里空荡荡，廖无生趣。
后来参加一个英文的课程，阐述的很妙，out of nothing, there's space for
everything/possibilities 我终于知道空中生妙有 |
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b**d
发帖数: 7644 | 25 她搞的东西水平那么低，你也支持？ 拿她跟J那种人比？ 你开玩笑呢吧。 |
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f*******8
发帖数: 3612 | 26 我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind. |
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b**d
发帖数: 7644 | 28 她最喜欢背self help books啦。 我觉得她对评价别人，研究别人很感兴趣，没瞧出她
对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。 |
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b**d
发帖数: 7644 | 29 说得非常对，但是这个美眉不是你说的那种人。。。。。。。 |
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f*******8
发帖数: 3612 | 31
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读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是了解“自心”。
米勒日巴诗歌集：
尊者就为大师讲解消释各种疑惑，最后总述真言乘之见、行、修要点，
并特别宣说修传派之见、行、修精要于此歌曰：
"'见'者自观自心之谓也，若于自心之外寻别物，
如彼武士寻宝惟徒劳，那结比丘善士应知悉！
'修'者决定不除沉掉也，修时若以沉掉为过患，
则如白昼燃灯成空费，那结比丘善士应知悉！
'行'者决定不取亦不舍，行时若取若舍成自缚，
如彼蜜蜂入网难解脱，那结比丘善士应知悉！
守持密乘三昧耶戒者，心常决定住于空见之谓也，
若于本无可守密戒外，另寻其他可守之戒律，
则如水源头上再寻头，徒劳自苦那结应知悉！
'果'如澈明自心决定也，若于无碍果外另寻果，
如彼乌龟跳跃欲上天，那结比丘善士应知悉！
上师应向自心内寻觅，若于心外别求另上师，
则如摈舍自心徒空劳，那结比丘善士应知悉！
一切外境一切所显现，归元无不摄归于自心，
那结比丘善士应知悉！"
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 32 Am I true or not? Time can tell.
"没瞧出她对佛法有兴趣。" I have never said that I am a Buddhist, what I am
interested in is the explanation of this Universe, the wisdom, not just
Buddhism. I still have many doubts about Buddhism. I have asked some
questions here, and I reserve my opinions.
"她把我们当什么？精神病？还是什么？" What is that "我们"? I spent long time
talking to you (you alone, not others) on your fear of death, and your
misjudging my intention as either cursing you or challenging you, but those
were not my int... 阅读全帖 |
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 33 sigh, you know why I don't read much of the old Sutra? I can't understand it
. It's so much easier to read English books.
What do you mean here ah? Or, is it "读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是
了解“自心”"? |
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d******e
发帖数: 4192 | 34 我当然记得你来这里和我的对话,
我感觉你是个比较强硬的人.我可能缺乏你那种强硬,
我如果有那个品质,我今天就不会是这样了....
我不反对你当班主,我对谁当都不太在乎,
但是,有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样,
这么强烈的一种想控制版面的愿望,我很好奇是为什么?
我对你没什么,只是觉得你来的时间还少,SEEU比你久,
我们大概知道他的经历,性别,甚至收入,工作性质,
如果你有诚意的话,你不妨介绍一下你自己好吗?
这样大家对你有所了解,也增加信任感.
班主还是要灌一定时间,从天而降一个会把这个版面变成
一个让人困惑的地方.
time
those
myself, |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 35 Is here any relationship between whether can be a BM with 经历,性别,甚至收入
,工作性质? |
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d******e
发帖数: 4192 | 36 我从来不把这里看成一个灌水的地方,这里的人,我并不了解,
了解一下,对这个版面是好的.
大家真诚相待,这是一种姿态.
你在生活中碰到的人,你大概就会知道方的,圆的,那个接缘分
的效率是很高的,网确实是个障碍.你可能聊了几年,
你根本不了解对方的价值观.
当然,我要求比较过分,因为,我处世比较谨小慎微那类的.
你当然可以反对我的观点. |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 37 That is fine, I just meant here is wisdom board for communication of
knowledge in wisdom or just watering to have fun.
The personal information is not so important for whether can be a good BM.
And I do not think it is necessary to show so much to other IDs.
Here may be a platform to make friends, but not always. |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 38 But now I think I know you much better than before, and you should be a
quite good mom and woman. :-) |
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 39 网上还是注意自我保护为好，毕竟这里不是可以同城聚会的地方版 |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 40 yeah, you are absolutely right! |
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d******e
发帖数: 4192 | 41 那也不是,我一向对人高标准,严要求.
我比较挑剔,非常挑剔,PICKY,就是了. |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 42 good to know :-)
But to 比较挑剔 the IDs here is unnecessary, and why should they be the
targets of your 挑剔? If you like, just reply their posts, otherwise do not.
Happy! |
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d******e
发帖数: 4192 | 43 我考虑不周了,灌得忘乎所以了,
不过,我相信,
路遥知马力,日久见人心. |
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N*******n
发帖数: 348 | 45 佛性从禅修的体验上来讲,其实很简单.佛性就是我们的awareness. 我们每个人生来都
有awareness, 所以是本来俱足的. 大多数作过禅修的人,应该都会知道awareness是禅
修的核心. Meditation, 就是"keep your awareness present". |
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J******s
发帖数: 7538 | 46 chapter 7 and 8 are quite nice!
thanks for your recommendation |
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 47 "有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样"
I don't know who you are talking about. Not me at least.
I don't mind who is the BM, and I don't want to be a BM.
SeeU could use this chance to really think how he evaluates the past,
especially his relationship with Yisu. Is it due to different opinions on
different sects in Buddhism, or what? I don't know the history enough, and I
was often reminded of the history on this board here. |
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d******e
发帖数: 4192 | 48 无所谓,我就是想看天塌下来什么样.
这里有人想证明什么给我看,给大家看,我知道,就是看怎么玩.
我不愿意被人控制逻辑思维的自由度.
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T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 49 hehe.天 will never 塌下来. Don't 杞人忧天 le. :-) |
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