a****k
发帖数: 399 | 1 买柴油和hybrid的基本不是一个消费群。柴油车买主可算enthusiast，可在车上捣乎捣
乎，虽然本人还不算。
柴油车resale value很高，如果你讲经济性的话。俺的Jetta TDI开了10个月，17500
miles，trade in price只比purchase price（before TTL） 少不到10％。东方不败可
能都回不了这么多本。
出了保修期，要自己掏钱修车就另外一回事了。
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i****x
发帖数: 17565 | 3 jeremy clarkson也喜欢这样评价，这个态度我很理解，其实我个人也是同样的态度，
但是这只代表了一小群人（motor enthusiasts）的观点，一般大众拿这种测评来作参
考基本没意义。
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i****x
发帖数: 17565 | 4 jeremy clarkson也喜欢这样评价，这个态度我很理解，其实我个人也是同样的态度，
但是这只代表了一小群人（motor enthusiasts）的观点，一般大众拿这种测评来作参
考基本没意义。
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发帖数: 12623 | 5 Ron Paul has some "liberal views" that are in conjunction with modern
conservative views on certain issues, such as global military presence and
legalization of prostitution (classic libertarianism). Ron Paul really
represents the classic libertarian and constitutional values and principles
no one else in Washington DC does nowadays. He advocates:
1) Constitutionality 2) individual freedom (and responsibility) 3) free
market system and classic capitalism 4) small government, big families
He is a... 阅读全帖 |
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t**********3
发帖数: 12623 | 6 Why? I posted this already:
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Ron Paul has some "liberal views" that are in conjunction with modern
conservative views on certain issues, such as global military presence and
legalization of prostitution (classic libertarianism). Ron Paul really
represents the classic libertarian and constitutional values and principles
no one else in Washington DC does nowadays. He advocates:
1) Constitutionality
2) individual freedom (and responsibility)
3) free market system and classic capitalism
4) small... 阅读全帖 |
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t*********y
发帖数: 57 | 8 每每到中国超市门口一看，喝家伙，一水日系啊，平均10辆里有8辆。大家说说有这必
要非要买日本车么？reliable？那是10几年前的情况了吧。这都2012年了，信息革命都
不少年了，车场造车技术控制都不错了，当年美国车给人笨重费油的感觉在现款车上早
已不在了。稍微懂车的把日车和其它车比一比就知道，日车设计跟不上，技术也不占优
势，安全性也打马虎眼，就拿个reliable当幌子做卖点骗老中（非小留）。
再有，买日车就买吧，也别总冲两田去啊，好歹subaru，mazda啊。一堆dfbb不腻么，
这个也太显stereotype了。ps.烤肉什么时候能把那恶心的4速变速换了，看看人家
focus。好吧有钱了，咱别总lexus讴歌行么，买车前多看看，做做功课，别局限在自己
的思维定势里觉得就是日本车好，这也太out了。我知道一人开了4年的sienna发动机出
问题了结果trade in又换了辆新的sienna。。。比较无语，4年发动机就坏了，不悔改
啊。
还有论价格，日车不占优势，跟同级车比，两田卖的死贵还压不下价，图便宜更不能买
日车。luxury的日车拼不过德系，lexus还卖的一点不比德系... 阅读全帖 |
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m****a
发帖数: 2593 | 9 这是在胡说了，自己的臆想拿来当论据？
因为买这车的大部分是enthusiastic driver，自然费车。 |
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d******e
发帖数: 7844 | 10 发信人: trueactuary (trueactuary), 信区: Automobile
标 题: Re: 问个问题，大家最高速开到过多少？什么感觉？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 14 17:54:12 2012, 美东)
Max: 80 mph
average: 65 - 70 mph
俺开宝马，基本不超限速，省油省车省胎省心。
哈哈，LZ最高只开过80 mph，在这里谈enthusiastic |
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t**********3
发帖数: 12623 | 11 她是一个artist和car enthusiast
给她发了这两张照片
她说：保时捷的机械师是insane到artistic，保时捷的设计师是artistic到insane
我想大家都同意的。 |
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g*********e
发帖数: 14401 | 12 bumpy ride, you can feel how rock-solid your suspension is, this is
appealing to some "enthusiasts" |
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A***n
发帖数: 8859 | 13 5th Place: Nissan Sentra
Poor handling, poor fuel economy, and a shorter feature list outweigh a low
price and big back seat.
4th Place: Honda Civic
A weak drivetrain, poor fuel economy, and frustrating nav system sank a
solid entry.
3rd Place: Dodge Dart
Sport handling and a long list of features weren't enough to overcome a high
price and terrible gas mileage.
2nd Place: Mazda3
An enthusiast's special and fuel-sipper to boot, weighed down by a heavy
price tag and missing features.
1st Place: K... 阅读全帖 |
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s*m
发帖数: 1896 | 14 7月开卖，几个杂志已经有first drive的文章了，总体评价都非常positive：
And while many would argue that the JX offers a more spacious cabin with
better amenities, the MDX is far, far better to drive – and not just from
an enthusiast standpoint. Get out of a refreshed 2013 Buick Enclave and into
this 2014 MDX and you'll never want to get behind that Tri-Shield wheel
again.
We're willing to bet that the midsize luxury crossover segment is one of the
most competitive out there – just think about all of the options available
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发帖数: 1644 | 15 Road TestSE Hybrid 4-cyl CVT
In a class generally known for bland styling and a lack of driving
excitement, the redesigned 2013 Fusion is a fresh, charismatic newcomer. But
like some promising and talented celebrities, it has just enough quirks to
erode your enthusiasm.
The new Fusion looks upscale and stylish, and it handles like a really good
European sports sedan. We bought three versions: a top-trim Titanium, a mid-
trim SE, and the SE Hybrid. All versions provide a composed, civilized ride
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c***1
发帖数: 467 | 16 不要高估消费者的理智
说车版没车托，信不信由你，反正我是不信
如果不是车托，有些ID的行为和看法完全是反常的，而且还会反咬一口说电哥这样的纯
enthusiast是车托
所以有些ID要不是不正常人类，要不就是车托，没有第三种可能
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K**r
发帖数: 2193 | 17 保养不错 enthusiast 可惜布料内饰
没事故纪录 不知这个价格如何 13000。 一直犹豫350z还是mx-5 |
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x*b
发帖数: 5723 | 18 我个人观点是:
1. 关心dfbb的人是不会关心Porsche的，全系车型能数清就很不错了，更不会关心顶配
不顶配
2. 谈论性能和各种参数的基本是true car enthusiast居多，普通人大部分连PDCC都不知
道是什么
3. 保时捷也不是神车，但是它的option是主流乘用车市场最神奇的。他们家有些
signature option是其品牌精华，个人觉得也是买此车目的之一。如果只是追求更低的
价格什么option都不要，最多是个brand ricer
4. 顶配不是顶配车型，中低档车型配置上合理的option也是相当不错的日常座驾。通
常说的顶配只是建议他们家的乘用车系列上Turbo车型是体验此品牌与众不同的最佳优
方式，但实际需求要看每个人对日常驾驶的方式和需要而定。跑车系列另说
个人意见，不针对任何人。 |
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发帖数: 2284 | 19 Good information has nothing to do with which make or model of the car you
drive. Good info is good info. One day you drive a Corolla S, the other day
you could drive a BMW/Mercedes and THAT does not change who you are. So try
to focus on the topic. thanks.
There are arguments to both sides of the story in every car enthusiast forum
. I'm just letting people know about it and it's your personal choice to do
an early oil change or not.
This thread has an interesting photo of changed/cut out oil f... 阅读全帖 |
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h**********r
发帖数: 2284 | 20 黄的好风瘙.
:-)
Probably a bunch of car enthusiasts. Good job to put many great vehicles
together. |
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发帖数: 4964 | 21 On a constant basis, emails arrive in my inbox with complaints about the way
segments are broken down at GoodCarBadCar. And rightly so. All vehicles are
not as closely aligned with a competitor as, say, the Toyota Camry is with
the Honda Accord. We all see the potential for cross-shopping differently,
so I’m not offended when an aggressive reader calls me an idiot because I
displayed sales figures for the Audi A7 alongside sales figures for cars
like the A6, 5-Series, CLS-Class, and Infiniti M r... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5723 | 23 我觉得上升到宾利这个级别如果贴膜的，多半是有钱而且爱车的car enthusiast吧，贴
不贴膜都差不到哪里去。 |
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K**r
发帖数: 2193 | 24 I really see no point that a TRUE auto enthusiast would assault Japo car ALL
DAY EVERY DAY to show how much he appreciates German machines.
I love both to be honest. |
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h**********r
发帖数: 2284 | 25 Yes.Since the customer base is rich and most of them just want the car to be
care free. Car enthusiastics buy instead of lease since there's nothing you
'll need to do with the car in 4 years and then you have anther new car to
play with. |
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n***s
发帖数: 163 | 27 此前一直都开的是2006 Acura TSX，这是一款前驱车中操纵比较好的车。它的方向盘很
重，不过开久了也习惯了。
有一次去开Go-Kart，那个方向盘才叫一个紧，不使出吃奶的劲，根本转不了弯，两个
小时下来，胳膊累的不行了，第二天都快抬不起来了。离开的时候钻进自己的TSX，转
动方向盘的时候第一反应竟是方向盘是不是坏掉了，松的不行了，好像螺丝松了整个方
向盘快被旋转下来了的感觉。
最近添了辆2014 BMW 3GT，方向盘比以前的BMW和TSX都轻多了，特别是低速下，转弯基
本不费什么劲，速度上来了会自动收紧，个人感觉好是挺好的。后来偶尔再开开TSX，
这次的第一反应是方向盘锈住了吧，哈哈。
记得BMW F30改版时enthusiasts对方向盘增加助力怨声一片。不过作为普通driver略追
求handling的我，还是觉得现在这种variable steering比较好。
话说以前的BMW 3 （E90）跟2006 Acura TSX的方向盘比起来谁更重还是差不多？有没
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发帖数: 6599 | 28
I don't have to believe their numbers, because I drive a Volt myself, my
stats were posted here:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/Automobile/34762693_0.html
I drive about 1000 miles/month, 12k miles/year, 95% on electricity, my
average miles/kWh is >4 (4.5 in summer, 3.8 in winter), my electricity cost
is $0.1/kWh including all fees. So, the annual electricity cost for me is
12000*0.95/4*0.1=$285. The gas mileage cost me 12000*0.05/36*3.8 (premium
gas)=$63. So, total annual fuel cost is $350.
if ... 阅读全帖 |
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F***Q
发帖数: 6599 | 29
let's put it straight. since you keep asking for it.
first of all, there is no need for you to defend your past decisions.
seriously, nobody is questioning on your decision. If I had the budget to
buy a new car two years ago, it could have been a Prius because I did
not even know what a Volt is. One can only make the best decision given
what he needs, what he likes, and what he can afford. so do the rest of us.
I made my "best" decision this summer for getting a Volt, but I am sure next
year, c... 阅读全帖 |
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F***Q
发帖数: 6599 | 30
力么
I bet you have never visited any electric car forums. many of the
enthusiastic owners/early adopters know a lot more about EVs than the sales
guys in a dealership. calling them dealers is rather a down-grade |
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a*****a
发帖数: 415 | 31 三菱美国销量不好主要是marketing的问题，和质量没什么关系
auto enthusiasts不可能成为民用车商的主要盈利群体，买菜车还是主流
三菱已经意识到这点，所以不顾大量fans反对，执意砍掉了evo
新出的mirage，各大车评一致唱衰，花80%的篇幅讨论一辆 $12K compact car的操控性
，但实际销量却远超三菱预期...证明大部分人需要的只是一辆经济实惠从点A到点B的
车，而不是可以上赛道的车
比较期待下一代outlander PHEV，希望能和concept XR-PHEV一样 |
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发帖数: 605 | 32 A lot of repairs require downloading software from Volvo server and cost a
lot from dealers. Now since the world is so connected, Geely/Volvo should
bypass the American dealers and provide reasonably priced software service
remotely from China. Getting a pirated VIDA is far from having software
download. I know your Volvo is old and can be serviced without the software
download. But later years, such as 2003 onward, you can't even change a door
switch without connecting to Volvo server and pay f... 阅读全帖 |
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s*m
发帖数: 1896 | 33 Once enthusiasts drive an XE, it's game over for anything else in the class.
You' ve been warned—start saving now. |
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发帖数: 828 | 35 XC90 doesn't lack of fans at US. From the poll, XC90 leads Q7 by a big
margin, 79% vs 11%. The posted comments are very interesting. Seemed a lot
of people are very enthusiastic with XC90.
http://www.carscoops.com/2014/12/face-off-new-audi-q7-vs-volvo-
2016 Audi Q7
845 (11%)
2015 Volvo XC90
5685 (79%)
I'll pass on both
342 (4%)
I'm split between the two
275 (3%)
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i****x
发帖数: 17565 | 36 不要脸的婊子媒体CR，拿了福特和通用的钱就把它们选成首选车型了，我呸！
Consumer Reports’ 2016 Top Picks By Category:
MIDSIZED CAR: Toyota Camry ($24,089-$32,603) The Camry’s no-fuss driving
experience – great outward visibility, controls that fall easily to hand, a
roomy interior – may not be the most thrilling in its class, but it’s far
from plain. The solid Camry delivers year after year of outstanding
reliability, which when combined with impressive crash-tests results, make
it a near-perfect sedan.
SUBCOMPACT CAR: Honda Fit (... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****e
发帖数: 893 | 37 2016 Volvo XC90 不论是T6还是T8, odometer reading less than 100 miles.
试驾, 在高速公路 每当踩刹车 车体下部都会感受到程度不同的发抖.
目前去过n家dealer试驾, 开过也有很多很多辆2016 XC90, 每一家dealer的新车都有这
个毛病.
dealer的销售员坐在车上也承认同样感到刹车发抖.
这到底是怎么回事?
花几万的新车, 有这个毛病, 总觉得不对劲儿
网上搜索, 网评: Rosy reviews from people that were in the car for a few
hours or a day can
only take a car so far. The car, especially 2016 versions, are an absolute
mess. 我有点同意! 从我试驾过的二三十辆2016XC90来看
这个毛病还不少:
Pulsation and Vibration Felt when hitting the brakes
Hello enthusiasts, I just ha... 阅读全帖 |
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z******7
发帖数: 772 | 38 One of the optimal choices for non enthusiastic driver |
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F***Q
发帖数: 6599 | 39 来自主题: Automobile版 - 特斯拉火了
a "class/segment" means it is a range, it is not a point. you may define
every car as a class if its own, but it is not the "class" referred in these
articles. believe whatever you like.
isn't that obvious that those buyers enthusiastically need fully electric
driving experience? even though they have the money (to buy a Tesla), none
of the cars in that range can satisfy their needs. why is it so hard to
understand?
go browse Tesla/gm-volt forums and see what real owners talk about their
other... 阅读全帖 |
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p*********r
发帖数: 4593 | 40 这个是 Motor Trend 评测的文章. 花些时间好好看看。
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazda/cx-5/2016/small-crossover-comparison-big-test/
The summary of all them.
9th Jeep Cherokee Latitude 4×4
Were the criteria for Big Test less consumer-oriented and more enthusiast-
oriented, odds are this Jeep would be much higher on this list.
8th Nissan Rogue SL AWD
There’s a lot to like about the Rogue, but unfortunately for Nissan there’
s also a lot to not like about it.
7th Kia Sportage EX AWD
A solid effort by Kia is let d... 阅读全帖 |
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p*********r
发帖数: 4593 | 41 这个是 Motor Trend 评测的 online version.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazda/cx-5/2016/small-crossover-comparison-big-test/
The summary of the conclusion.
9th Jeep Cherokee Latitude 4×4
Were the criteria for Big Test less consumer-oriented and more enthusiast-
oriented, odds are this Jeep would be much higher on this list.
8th Nissan Rogue SL AWD
There’s a lot to like about the Rogue, but unfortunately for Nissan there’
s also a lot to not like about it.
7th Kia Sportage EX AWD
A solid effort by Kia... 阅读全帖 |
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W***n
发帖数: 11530 | 42 Germany's New Ford Mustang GT Police Car Looks Rad
Max Prince,The Drive 4 hours ago
Verband der Automobil Tuner (Association of Automobile Tuners, or VDAT) is
Germany’s domestic analog to the Specialty Equipment Market Association.
Made up of companies in the tuning industry, the consortium is backed by
German Federal Minister of Transport, and has been around for over a decade.
Each year, VDAT builds a custom police cruiser to promote safe vehicle
modification. Prior examples include everything... 阅读全帖 |
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W***n
发帖数: 11530 | 43 6 Muscle Cars That Everyone Wants No Matter the Cost
Eric McWhinnie Google+ Twitter MORE ARTICLES
January 15, 2017
several muscle cars race outside of town
Nothing ignites the adrenal glands while sitting in the driver’s seat like
an American muscle car. Powerful engines. Masculine body designs. High-
performance driving. Plenty of enjoyment waits to be had on the open road.
Muscle cars have gained popularity in recent years, but how are cash-
strapped Americans affording them?
According to a ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 44 首先声明，还没到玩4万以上车的水平，但我想这恰恰是绝大多数人的收入水平
4-5万以下的车，再smooth、再fun car我觉得也就那样；大马力就SS GT Hellcat，漂
移就brz 86 miata，小钢炮就rs gti，off road就rubicon srt，哦对了，加点预算小
两门还可以考虑下m2……
可是，就算你有了这么多选择，so what？买了越野的人里面真心喜欢户外的有多少？
买了驾驶者之车真拿去漂移的有多少？买了500+大马力车的，问你4万不到买跑车，超
速撞人上法庭你出得起律师钱？说到底有多少人真的是真心的car enthusiast而不是从
众和装逼？
特别说一句有关妹子问题，装逼的车子只能吸引喜欢装逼的妹子，而后者我不觉得属于
最适合结婚/理想伴侣的类型。而你如果说，你不想要好的长期伴侣，只想有逼艹就行
了——拜托，一旦你这么想了隔着一百米妹子都能闻到饥渴的味道谁愿意给你上
最终哪个妹子也不是因为车泡上的。而且实践几次你发现自己更喜欢酒店而不是车震
我现在每天开着SS却按55mph巡航，因为我不想108mph时撞死别人/自己还得遣返/骨灰
回国，超个车还要... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****h
发帖数: 4489 | 45 这篇文章说爬坡王很中肯 想买的朋友可以参考
What is it? The 2017 Toyota Highlander XLE is the middle trim of the
company's full-size SUV and features a 3.5-liter V6, all-wheel drive and
an eight-speed automatic transmission.
Key Competitors: Ford Explorer, GMC Acadia, Chevy Traverse,&#
160;Buick Enclave
Base Price: $40,940 As Tested: $43,184
Highlights: The Toyota Highlander gets a new, 295-hp V6 for
2017 with a stop-start system and loads of standard safety features.... 阅读全帖 |
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r***i
发帖数: 9780 | 46 你怎么也开始推销丰田高价垃圾了
爬坡王属于最不值得买的车型之一，其次是sienna和rav4
价格虚高，空间又小，实用性很差
比explorer，traverse，pathfinder这些能贵出去至少6、7k |
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f*****h
发帖数: 4489 | 47 倒数第二段是重点
：你怎么也开始推销丰田高价垃圾了
：爬坡王属于最不值得买的车型之一，其次是sienna和rav4 |
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发帖数: 1 | 48
的确是这样，也可能是这个原因，开车的人都稳稳当当地开，
它的可靠性自然也高了。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 50 不应该歧视来自廊坊的auto enthusiast！ |
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