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来自主题: Military版 - 对付三哥很简单
多放几个无人机
India: Army 'mistook planets for spy drones'
News from Elsewhere...
...as found by BBC Monitoring
25 July 2013
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An Indian soldier standing guard on a mountainous road in the border area
Image caption
Border troops have noticed increased use of surveillance drones
India's army reportedly spent six months watching "Chinese spy drones"
violating its air space, only to find out they... 阅读全帖
s*********r
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I see.
Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven...

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Dear GR community members,
I want to report an incident.
Time: 1:20pm-1:45pm on June 2, 2018
Place: Cat Sanctuary, 379 Goathouse Rd, Pittsboro NC 27312
People involved Me, female, 47, Asian, volunteer, 59hours of service, Wake
County Resident
Randy Inman, male,more than 6 feet height,
Caucasian
Siglinda S, female, Italian heritage,founder
of the 501(c)(3) nonprofit, no-kill animal sanctuary

Animals inv... 阅读全帖
b*******s
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God not forgiven you。
W*****B
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When China stumbles, the world economy will shudder
Napoleon famously observed that when China awoke from its long slumber the
world would shake.
Now that the Chinese economy has certainly awoken, were he alive today
Napoleon might have warned that when the Chinese economy stumbles the rest
of the world’s economy will also suffer. He might have done so particularly
because there are all too many reasons to believe that China will soon
begin a renewed and lengthy period of economic stagnation.
Ju... 阅读全帖

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来自主题: Military版 - 阿三大嘴PPT,你们也信?
http://theprepared.com/blog/no-the-2019-ncov-genome-doesnt-actually-seem-engineered-from-hiv/
2019-nCoV genome doesn’t really seem engineered from HIV
A group of bioinformaticians at two prestigious universities in Delhi, India
, published a preprint scientific manuscript on the bioRxiv preprint server
Friday has led many to speculate wildly that 2019-nCoV may have been
deliberately engineered using HIV protein sequences.
The paper, entitled “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV... 阅读全帖
W*****B
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来自主题: Military版 - 各种赚钱省钱的办法都出炉了
It's Not Just a $1,200 Check. Here Are All the Other Ways You Can Benefit
From the Coronavirus Stimulus Package
The unprecedented $2 trillion coronavirus relief package Congress signed by
President Trump on Friday, March 27, has a lot to unpack in it. In fact,
Congress is still hammering out some of the fine print. The stimulus
package, officially named the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security
(CARES) Act, includes funding to prop up industries like airlines, which
have been hit hard by... 阅读全帖

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Sen. Martha McSally is calling on the World Health Organization director
general to step down over what she deems his assistance in covering up China
's underreporting of the coronavirus, part of an escalating series of GOP
criticisms of the organization.
Arthur Ruiz
What is the logic here? Trump believed the rosy numbers coming out of China
and, after the single action of imposing a limited travel ban against people
coming from China, did nothing to prepare?
Soooo... he was dumb enough to belie... 阅读全帖
L*******e
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Pope Francis On Gays: Who Am I To Judge Them?
这个教皇看来比上一个要开明
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-gays_n_36
Pope Francis has had a busy week at World Youth Day in Rio as he visited his
slums and prisons, blessed the Olympic flag and brought three million
people to Copacabana Beach for a final Mass on Sunday morning.
Now he has made another headline, this time when the pontiff said, "Who am I
to judge a gay person?"
While taking questions from reporters on the plane back to Rome, ... 阅读全帖
m**c
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【 以下文字转载自 Gay_Criminolgy 俱乐部 】
发信人: msgc (为了下一代免遭变态残害), 信区: Gay_Criminolgy
标 题: LGBT Teen Who Committed Fake Hate Crimes Against Herself 10 Years Ago
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed May 21 00:20:32 2014, 美东)
LGBT Teen Who Committed Fake Hate Crimes Against Herself 10 Years Ago Speaks
Out
This is likely a story you only noticed or cared about if you were a)
growing up in Marin in 2004-05, or b) paying close attention to LGBT hate-
crime news, but it did make some national headlines at the time. It goes
like... 阅读全帖
C*****H
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来自主题: RuralChina版 - 郑重道歉启事
you are forgiven, pai
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Why Are We Still In Germany?
By MARK STEYN Posted 03/04/2011 06:45 PM ET
According to Bismarck's best-known maxim on Europe's most troublesome region
, the Balkans are not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian grenadier.
Americans could be forgiven for harboring similar sentiments after the
murder of two U.S. airmen in Germany by a Kosovar Muslim.
Remember Kosovo? Me neither. But it was big at the time, launched by Bill
Clinton in the wake of his Monica difficulties: Make war, not love, as the
boomers advise. So Clinton di... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - House Prices in Free Fall
By Howard Richman, Raymond Richman, and Jesse Richman
The latest house price data (the S&P Case-Shiller index) shows a clear
downward trend for the most recent six months, as shown in the graph below:
The next graph shows how this year's data fits in with the long-term trend.
It is clear that the house price bubble, which began in 1997 and peaked in
2006, has not yet finished popping:
How We Got Here
The black stars in the above graph highlight 1951 and 1997, the two years
when Congress changed ... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Beating the Racism Card
By J.R. Dunn
Obama is finished. It's not so much the past six weeks, rough as they were,
as his own actions and responses that have finished him. His showdown with
Congress over the debt limit, which he then ran away from. His
bewilderment at the fact that markets responded to that level of stress with
a serious slump. The lousy job numbers, which anybody but Obama and his
kept economists could have predicted. His insistence on his precious
vacation at a time when the country was deeply sha... 阅读全帖
l****z
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by The Political Palaver
This video hit Drudge Report this morning, showing a young rapper named Mr.
EBT talking about "swipin' his EBT," (welfare card) and what he can and can'
t buy with it. Drudge linked the video as "Song Celbrates Welfare Card!"
The onslaught of conservative commenters from Drudge's link generally
relayed criticism of the welfare state and for the video itself, which they
certainly found to be celebrating welfare culture. Leftist commenters on
the video, however, find it ... 阅读全帖
l****z
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By John F. Di Leo
We think of the world of transportation -- especially trucking and
automobile manufacturing -- as being one of the most fundamental of
Democratic Party constituencies. Detroit has long been a party stronghold,
with the UAW and Teamsters among Democrats' most powerful union supporters.
From the worker at the DMV to the driver he licenses, this is one solid
chain of Democrats.
But is this political loyalty deserved today, if indeed it ever was? Since
the Democratic Party was t... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Venture Capitalism not Crony Capitalism
By Larrey Anderson
Venture capitalism is, and always has been, the heart of capitalism. There
is nothing "new" or modern about it.1 Venture capitalism is one or more
private investors financing a risky new venture (thus, the "venture" in
venture capitalism) -- or a private investor's attempt to salvage an already
existing, but troubled, business. Venture capitalism takes the risks that
banks won't and that governments shouldn't. Crony capitalism is the system
of politically motivated handouts fr... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Frozen continent!
Frozen continent! Europe's rivers, lakes and even seas are iced over as
bitter Siberian cold leads to temperatures of almost -40C
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:49 AM on 13th February 2012
You would be forgiven for thinking these stunning vistas lay deep in the
heart of Antarctica.
But they are, in fact, what has become of the European landscape as
temperatures plummet to nearly -40C - the coldest snap in decades.
Rivers, lakes, beaches and even seas have been iced over by a Siberian
... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Allah; hateful, sadistic & evil
by wheatington
Allah, so Muslims tell me, is the Most Compassionate and Most Merciful. Upon
further questioning, Muslims do not understand mercy as we do. Quelle
suprise! When shown the definition of mercy Muslims knit their brows. It is
different in Arabic, they stammer. How can a man be excused a punishment?
It disturbs the Muslim mind that sinners would escape justice. Mercy to
Muslims means that Allah's justice is meted out.
The Koran tells us that
If Allah had willed he could have given... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - TARP's Goodfellas
by Joseph Lawler
Bailout: An Inside Account of How Washington Abandoned Main Street While
Rescuing Wall Street
By Neil Barofsky
Neil Barofsky can be forgiven a little posturing. Early on in his short
stint as Special Inspector General for TARP -- the bank bailouts -- he
realized that he had no choice but to set aside bureaucratic caution and
seize the mantle of whistleblower and reformer.
Barofsky, who before receiving an appointment from the Bush administration
had spent his career prosecuting ... 阅读全帖
l****z
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呵呵,早知道底线突破后, 什么乱七八糟的东东都接着要来了. 反正是born this way嘛.
Gawker’s Soft Peddling Pedophilia
September 10, 2012 Posted by Warner Todd Huston
Recently, Gawker.com, a left-leaning and sometimes profane general interest
website, posted a story that makes excuses for child rape, calling it an “
orientation” instead of a crime and stating that raping children is “a
sexual relationship,” as opposed to the violation that it truly is.
The piece entitled, “Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want
to... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - Gawker: 'Pedophilia Is a Sexual Orient
我就知道这个回出来的. 突破了底线后什么都会来了.
By Noel Sheppard | September 08, 2012 | 14:34
The following headline actually appeared at Gawker Friday: "Born This Way:
Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children."
The article, written by Gawker West Coast editor Cord Jefferson, was even
worse (emphasis added throughout):
In an ABC News article from 2003, a corrections officer from Los Angeles
told reporter Michael S. James that imprisoned pedophiles "usually don't
make it" without protective cu... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - 为什么穆斯林仇恨我们?
by wheatington
For now, the alleged motive remains unclear, so said an anonymous someone
from the Boston Police.
Mr or Ms Anonymous was referring to a reason that would cause Muslims to
blow up kafirs. Even ignoring the odd word alleged, the statement shows a
total disconnect with the reality and teachings of Mohamed. Muslims are
commanded to kill kafirs, or to subjugate them to Muslim rule. Terror
attacks can accomplish both. Even now CAIR is asking for increased
protection of Muslims from th... 阅读全帖
l****z
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House nearing vote on 1-year package of tax breaks
December 1, 2014 - 3:05 PM
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — House Republicans are moving to pass a one-year extension
of temporary tax breaks affecting millions of businesses and individuals.
Most of the more than 50 tax breaks expired at the end of 2013, so the
extension would only run through the end of the month. However, it would
allow taxpayers to claim the tax breaks when they file their 2014 tax
returns.
The tax b... 阅读全帖
M*****e
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SAIS scholar of Cuban foreign policy offers perspective on historic shift in
U.S.-Cuba relations
http://hub.jhu.edu/2014/12/18/us-cuba-foreign-relations
Piero Gleijeses, professor of American foreign policy, is only foreigner to
conduct research in closed Cuban archives
 December 18
Posted in Voices+Opinion, Politics+Society
Tagged foreign policy, cuba
On Wednesday, President Barack Obama announced a historic shift in U.S.
relations with Cuba, a move to normalize diplomatic relations bet... 阅读全帖
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - MSNBC,CBS,NPR 连个cover都不敢播出
Charlie Hebdo’s moment: Why some media outlets are afraid to run the cover
In the television business, I like to say that people vote with their remote
controls.
In Paris right now, people are voting with their francs.
They are buying up the new issue of Charlie Hebdo in such waves that many
French newsstands sold out before 7 a.m. yesterday. The usual print run of
50,000 had been boosted to 3 million, and when that was quickly snatched up,
it was upped to 5 million.
If there’s been another time... 阅读全帖
l****z
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ISIS ‘Celebrates’ SCOTUS Decision by Tossing 4 Accused Gay Men Off Roof
by Michael Lucchese30 Jun 20150
The jihadist terror group Islamic State responded to the Supreme Court’s
recent decision on gay marriage by killing accused gay men by pushing them
off a roof.
Released on the same day as the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision legalizing
homosexual marriage across all 50 states, the video shows ISIS militants
pushing several men off a high roof to their deaths.
The official Twitter account of human... 阅读全帖
a*********a
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来自主题: USANews版 - 为什么我是左派 3 (转载)
每次看到人说没有class mobility我就觉得好笑。
自己去查一下福布斯美国首富榜很难吗?福布斯都给你注明了是不是self made。前二
三十名一半是self made。很少有财富能上诉三代以上的。尽管很多是祖辈中产,父辈
小资(upper class),但是你非要今天flip burger,明天挣一个B,那要么你杀人放火
,要么买六合彩,那不叫class mobility。
O8上台后,不少中产生活倒退,原因再明显不过了。稍微讲两条。
第一O8care,中产被盘剥给无产甚至非移提供医疗,十亿美元搭不起一个网站,那个公
司的高管是蜜雪儿的大学同学。
第二大放学贷,还大大放宽forgiven,导致学费加速飙升。这些钱当然肥了大学教师工
会。教师工会再捐钱给明主党。
第三是强推绿色产业。大量补贴进入不成熟行业。Solyndra还记得吧。5亿美元打水漂
了。O8政府把税收得来的钱给绿色企业家,造就一批绿色富豪,然后绿色富豪在捐款给
民主党竞选。如果没有政府补贴,Elon Musk还在玩Paypal呢。
第四是勾结工会。O8上台后推了几个stimulus,都是几百billion的。号称... 阅读全帖
a******g
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基督徒的美德之一。
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not
be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."
- Luke 6:37
很多白人碧池,开口就说 I don't want to judge people, but...
x****d
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来自主题: USANews版 - 学生贷款的问题是没有抵押物
Solution is easy:
1. stop this "everybody needs a degree non-sense";
2. allow student loan to be forgiven. (this will teach greedy wall street
that there is a risk you have to take, it's not a sure bet)
l****z
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来自主题: USANews版 - 网友解释为什么退出巴马care
Thursday
Apr 2016
Posted by mishgea | April 21, 2016 9:30:49 | Economics
In response to recent posts I have have made on Obamacare and housing,
reader “Judson” chimed in with some interesting comments on both housing
and Obamacare.
Judson made the decision to opt out of the ACA and pay the Obamacare penalty
. Let’s tune in to his reasons why.
Judson writes ….
Hello Mish
I am a millennial who couldn’t care less about a house. Honestly it
irks my chain seeing my parents property taxes r... 阅读全帖

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"[Trump] loaned $50 million to the campaign. He's now forgiven that loan. So
that is a contribution," said Steve Mnuchin. "[Trump] has also said he will
contribute significantly more money."
Trump is a true patriot. $50 million contribution to the campaign, and more!
Hillary wrote herself checks from campaign funds to pay herself a salary.
Trump is our only chance now. If crooked, dirty, greedy Hillary is elected,
we may not have another chance any more.
g********2
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Of Course: Clinton Foundation Pays Female Executives 38 Percent Less Than
Male Counterparts
The "of course" piece of that headline is, needless to say, a reference to
the many other "pay gap" violations of which Hillary Clinton has been guilty
over the years. Under the Democrats' clumsy calculations, she has under-
paid women in her Senate office and at her State Department. The Daily
Caller documents the latest transgression. Why must the Clinton Foundation
wage this brutal, mean-spirited war o... 阅读全帖
m*****s
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来自主题: USANews版 - 这脸打得啪啪的
There’s nothing Trump can do that won’t be forgiven
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57be9461e4b02673444e79f4
川粉最真实的写照, 哈哈
g********2
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来自主题: USANews版 - Trump and American Women
October 11, 2016
Trump and American Women
By Leesa K. Donner
Are any of us really surprised at the machismo Donald Trump displayed in a
private conversation back in 2005? As women are we so naïve that we
believe conversations like the one Trump had with Billy Bush don’t happen
all over the country every day -- and let’s not kid ourselves -- from
locker rooms to board rooms to the hallowed halls of Congress?
I ask these rhetorical questions because as an American woman I don’t think
a macho ... 阅读全帖
b*****d
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The hack and eventual release of a decade’s worth of Clinton campaign head
John Podesta’s emails may have been caused by a typo, reports the New York
Times.
On March 22, Podesta received an email purportedly from Google saying
hackers had tried to infiltrate his Gmail account. When an aide emailed the
campaign’s IT staff to ask if the notice was real, Charles Delavan, replied
that the email was “a legitimate email" and that Podesta should “change
his password immediately.”
The email was not legi... 阅读全帖
S*******i
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We’ve heard of 12-step programs to cure addiction, but the Hollywood
producer Harvey Weinstein is counting on a remarkable one-step plan to gain
absolution for what is reported to be decades of harassing young women in
his employ—his progressive politics.
Mr. Weinstein’s astonishing response to a long report in the New York Times
includes an apology for having “caused a lot of pain,” without admitting
or denying any specific transgression. There’s also some psycho-babble
about his “demons,” and ... 阅读全帖

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来自主题: USANews版 - blackout-trump-and-his-supporters
https://blog.politicsmeanspolitics.com/blackout-trump-and-his-supporters-
996136a391cc
这段描述支持床铺的傻逼们:
In ordinary, day-to-day life, it’s impossible to rely on or trust these
people. For example, you can ask them if they think rape and sexual assault
are OK, and they may say no — but that’s a lie. Maybe it’s no
if it’s their own daughter or someone they know personally, but if it was
a Republican or Donald Trump who did it, they’d either excuse it or say, “
fake news.” Or say God has f... 阅读全帖
b*****d
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In Senator Hirono’s case, she had the opportunity to choose sides in the
1990s when credible allegations were made that Daniel Inouye, then a
Democratic senator representing Hawaii, had engaged in a pattern of sexual
assault.
Lenore Kwock, the senator’s hairdresser for 20 years, said she had been
forced into nonconsensual sex back in 1975 and had suffered persistent
gropings since then.
Kwock’s story became public after she was tricked by a campaign worker for
Inouye’s 1992 Republican opponent i... 阅读全帖
T*******e
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关于经济刺激法案中首次购买房屋方面的税务优惠,已经谈的很多了,现在我们重点说
一下,一些有变更但很容易被忽略的税务政策。
1.债务减免的征税变更
获减免的抵押贷款债务(forgiven mortgage debt)也要被征税,这在以前报税季
常让很多住房被银行收回的家庭感到惊讶。但2007年到2012年之间,这些家庭不需要再
有这种忧虑了。
税务专家说:“在大多数情况下,你欠别人但获减免的债务被认为是须征税的收入
,但最近的立法规定,200万元以下的按揭债务,可以不用交税。”
国税局称,有资格获得抵押贷款债务减免减税的,其被免除的抵押债务必须来自借
款人的首住房,借款也是被用来“购买,建造或大幅度提高您的首住房质量”的或者是
为了这些目的的重新贷款。
布什2007年12月签署《抵押贷款债务减免的税收豁免法案》(Mortgage
Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007)成法。该法案对房屋所有人在其住房按揭贷
款收到减免时候同时进行税收豁免,增强人们对债务的抵抗能力,减少他们被赶出家门
的可能性。正如布什所称,如果房屋所有人还在担心偿还贷款,那么最不需要担心
w*********s
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来自主题: WorldNews版 - F-35 STEALTH FIGHTER SPY COVER-UP
NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT: F-35 STEALTH FIGHTER SPY COVER-UP
November 2, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff ·
“WIKI” STYLE ESPIONAGE LANDS $300 BILLION DOLLAR SUPER-PLANE PLANS
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
“Another spy disaster like Pollard, shoved under the rug too long due to
pressure from the powerful Israeli lobby.”
On April 21, 2009, the Department of Defense announced the theft of 1.5
terabytes of data on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the platform meant give
the United States and her a... 阅读全帖
b*********n
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some insurance company have first forgiven policy, check yours

就是说我要是claim collision,那保费涨得会少点是么?
那这样我跟前面两辆车私了的话,也是比全让保险公司赔省钱?
t*********r
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Benz E350 猥琐开法 >44MPG >700 miles/tank
LOL, you're forgiven.
f****d
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/probation-sentence-dui-wreck-stirs-ire-21188282
A North Texas teen from an affluent family was sentenced to probation this
week after he killed four pedestrians when he lost control of his speeding
pickup truck while driving drunk, a punishment that outraged the victims'
families and left prosecutors disappointed.
The 16-year-old boy was sentenced Tuesday in a Fort Worth juvenile court to
10 years of probation after he confessed to intoxication manslaughter in ... 阅读全帖
W***n
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 2017 Chrysler Pacifica
Full Expert Review: 2017 Chrysler Pacifica
What's New for 2017
The 2017 Chrysler Pacifica is an all-new minivan. In effect, though, it's
the replacement for the previous Town & Country minivan, which Chrysler has
discontinued.
Introduction
If you've either been a passenger in or owned a steady flow of Honda
Odysseys and Toyota Siennas throughout your life, you are forgiven for
thinking that Chrysler minivans have largely existed in a state of perpetual
rental fleet mediocrity. While Chrysler was... 阅读全帖
s******x
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来自主题: BackHome版 - 签证过期了, 如何更新护照?
另外,
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/752/~/how-to-record-departure-
from-the-united-states-after-the-fact
Delays beyond the traveler's control, such as cancelled or delayed flights,
medical emergencies requiring a doctor's care, etc. are not considered
unauthorized overstays, however, you will need to bring proof of the cause
of your overstay next time you travel to the U.S. in order for it to be
forgiven. For airline delays, ask the airline for a letter affirming the
delay or a copy... 阅读全帖
V**0
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来自主题: Faculty版 - 上班很孤独
Agree. I had very smiliar experience. It almost drove me crazy.
Get papers published. Once papers are published on premier journal, all sins
are forgiven.

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committees
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d***a
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MIT校长不会那么少吗...但不管怎么,1.1M是太多了
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/education/22stevens.html?_r=3
Now, charges are swirling over Stevens Institute of Technology in Hoboken, N
.J. The state attorney general has sued the institute and its president,
Harold J. Raveché, accusing him of plundering the endowment and receiving $
1.8 million in illegal low-interest loans for vacation homes, with half of
them later forgiven.
The institute’s trustees tripled Dr. Raveché’s salary over a decade, to $
1.1 millio... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Family版 - 看看我的妈妈!
something must have happened to her in the past which she has not forgiven
yet
and what you said at last may have increased her pain
c*******r
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来自主题: Family版 - 我迷惑,离婚有那么可怕吗?
I feel the same. A lot of people here are hysteric and mean. In this case,
it is not that the husband is begging for being forgiven, rather a
divorce. It must be a hard swallow of pride for both if they continue to
stay together. I guess that those kids are doomed anyway.
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