t*******n 发帖数: 4445 | 1 Both versions have imatinib mesylate as the active ingredient. Norvatis'
Gleevec uses the beta-crystalline form while Natco's Veenat uses the
polymorphic form.
During the legaL fight in India, it turns out Gleevec may have 30% more
bioavailability (probably due to different solubility), but the patent
office ruled it as not a significant improvement in efficacy:
http://www.deolhonaspatentes.org.br/media/file/Casos/India/noticia_business_line.PDF
Anybody else has more clinical advice here? |
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r********0 发帖数: 22 | 2 Happy new year! Does anyone here have experience buying cancer drugs from
India?
A relative in China was diagnosed GIST (Gastrointestinal Stromal Tumor)
which requires Gleevec, a brand made by Novartis and costs $3000 a month. A
google search shows that generic version costing 1/6 made by Indian
manufactures can be bought in Canada. This is not surprising because
Novartis recently lost the patent fight in India. I am hoping buying it
directly from India would cost even less, which may be within |
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R******d 发帖数: 36 | 3 朋友家亲戚得了白血病,说GLEEVEC还是美国产的质量好,目前国内卖的是印度的假药
。可是美国这边的大夫都不给开的,各位同学有什么建议吗,还是说她亲戚就一定要飞
来美国? |
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w****g 发帖数: 20 | 4 一位20岁出头的朋友不幸得了胃肠道间质瘤的疾病,他父母亲戚朋友都非常着急,所以
在这里麻烦大家帮这出谋划策。关于此病, 医生推荐使用Gleevec治疗效果会最佳。有
两个问题想请教大家
(1)该药一个用需要花费2到3万人民币,对一个普通家庭来说花销巨大。不知道有什
么途径可以买到稍微便宜一些的药吗?在网上印度,瑞士产地的价格相差巨大,印度产
地的可信度高吗?
(2)可以用国内的prescrition在美国购买该药吗? ( 当然如果价格没有区别, 就
没有这必要了)
多谢多谢大家了! |
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b****e 发帖数: 155 | 5 Anybody has a reliable source for getting the generic version of Gleevec?
Thanks. |
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c*****r 发帖数: 2866 | 7 美国市场可以买到Generic Gleevec吗?如果有处方的话.
这药开价太吓人了,每月两万五人民币,一年下来三十万,这是治病还是杀人啊?! |
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c*****r 发帖数: 2866 | 8 多谢!听说加拿大和印度有generic低价药,不知道效果是否和诺华Gleevec差不多? |
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l******u 发帖数: 936 | 9 But Gleevec treatment is really good and much better than Tarceva.
Gleevec is a very good case of target theraphy.
Novatis just discovered a new thing called "Tasigna", which is better at
treating a type of leukemia than its breakthrough drug "Gleevec", as they
claimed.
pretty
patients |
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f******I 发帖数: 769 | 10
1. yes, gleevec is the first option for most patients diagnosed with CML,
2. needs prescription in the states otherwise impossible,
3. many patients will respond to gleevec, since it's one of the newer drugs,
not sure about long term remission rate, marrow transplant is the only know
cure, but carries significant risks,
4. very nice of you to be willing to be tested for donor, i think you'd need
HLA matching, but if she's gonna have it tested in china, for you might as
well to go to the same fa |
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 11 Peter Landers, New Breast Cancer Drug Found Deep in the Sea. Wall Street
Journal, Jan. 4, 2010.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870411150457605977
("A study found it [Halaven] extended the life of patients with advanced
breast cancer by about two-and-1/2 months, to 13 months")
My comment:
(a) Eisai Co., Ltd. エーザイ株式会社
(a public company; headquarters Tokyo; established in 1941 by Toyoji NAITO
内藤 豊次 as Nohon Eisai Co., Ltd. 日本衛材(衛生材料の略。具体的には絆創膏
や包帯の事))
ja.wikipedia.org
(b) eribulin
htt... 阅读全帖 |
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a***a 发帖数: 2493 | 12 http://blog.wenxuecity.com/myblog/52434/201501/27691.html
最近买卖提热点之一是探讨癌症,这篇出自专业人士的科普文太赞了。
可能是关于癌症最好的深度科普(分享)
(2015-01-23 21:36:58) 下一个
作者:菠萝
标题导读
(一)进步和困境
(二)癌症和肿瘤
(三)癌症到底是怎么致命的
(四)癌症为啥这么难治
(五)什么导致了癌症
(六)儿童为啥会得癌症
(七)转基因食物会导致癌症么
(八)怎么才能用上国外最新的抗癌药
(九)中医能治疗癌症么
(十)我们是不是还不够努力
(十一)神奇的抗氧化保健品
(十二)酸性体质容易得癌症么
(十三)免疫疗法,抗癌药物的第三次革命
(十四)CAR-T免疫疗法,治愈癌症不是梦
(十五)溶瘤病毒,以毒攻毒还是毒上加毒
(一)进步和困境
一不小心跳进 ”二十一世纪是生物的世纪“ 这个大坑已经有十多年了,这么多年来
,从本科到博士,从中国到美国,从学校到药厂,第一手,第二手,第N手的癌症研究
资料接触很多。随着中国污染加剧,医疗条件改善和人们健康意识增加,周围患上癌症
的人似乎越来越多。病人... 阅读全帖 |
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c***p 发帖数: 28 | 13 听说过Gleevec (imatinib, STI571)吗?自己google去。这是近代医药史里最著名的根
据结构设计阻扼药物的实例。Shi到底不是凡夫俗子,可惜在演讲里没有提及Gleevec来
佐证自己的观点。
人呐,任何时候还是收敛一些的好,呵呵。 |
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 14 Peter Landers, New Breast Cancer Drug Found Deep in the Sea. Wall Street
Journal, Jan. 4, 2010.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870411150457605977
("A study found it [Halaven] extended the life of patients with advanced
breast cancer by about two-and-1/2 months, to 13 months")
My comment:
(a) Eisai Co., Ltd. エーザイ株式会社
(a public company; headquarters Tokyo; established in 1941 by Toyoji NAITO
内藤 豊次 as Nohon Eisai Co., Ltd. 日本衛材(衛生材料の略。具体的には絆創膏
や包帯の事))
ja.wikipedia.org
(b) eribulin
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l******u 发帖数: 936 | 15 Gefibit and Tarceva, which target EGFR, have problems of causing drug
resistance. Gleevec is much much better than those two. Gleevec is a
milestone drug for target therapy. |
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r******g 发帖数: 600 | 16 Car Therapy is very impressive and promosing. Cytokine storm syndromes were
potential problems for patients receiving CAR. In initial clinical trials,
administration of tocilizumab and enbrel was very effective.
Keep in mind that Gleevec from Novartis are expiring in 2 years. Rituximab
for treating patients with ALL-B cell is in phase III. Novartis businessmen
are trying to advertise a new promosing therapy to keep making more money.
To be honest, while CAR may not work as good as Gleevec or Rit... 阅读全帖 |
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A******y 发帖数: 2041 | 17 Car T is cell therapy, based on its clinical trial successful rate, I'm
almost certain that it will be approved. It has similar successful rate of
Gleevec (Gleevec phase 1 is 100%, haha, 88% at phase II and probably because
due to misdiagnosis), it worked about 75% for Car T (I could be
wrong but is very high) in phase 1 and it is used to treat ALL and CLL.
Although, youth ALL is very well controlled, I think adult ALL is a lot
harder to treat; plus additional of CLL patients for its uses. Ru... 阅读全帖 |
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 18 Peter Landers, New Breast Cancer Drug Found Deep in the Sea. Wall Street
Journal, Jan. 4, 2010.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870411150457605977
("A study found it [Halaven] extended the life of patients with advanced
breast cancer by about two-and-1/2 months, to 13 months")
My comment:
(a) Eisai Co., Ltd. エーザイ株式会社
(a public company; headquarters Tokyo; established in 1941 by Toyoji NAITO
内藤 豊次 as Nohon Eisai Co., Ltd. 日本衛材(衛生材料の略。具体的には絆創膏
や包帯の事))
ja.wikipedia.org
(b) eribulin
htt... 阅读全帖 |
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g*****a 发帖数: 75 | 20 There is a clinical trial on NF1 with Norvartis' Gleevec. Gleevec is a type
of kinase inhibitor and has been available for GI tumor for a while. The
preliminary results of the NF1 trial is very good. Please see the link below
for the NF1 trial:
http://nfcure.org/newnf1trial/gleevecnf1trial.html
Bless and good luck! |
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c***s 发帖数: 70028 | 21 香港龙城大药房简直成了到港大陆游客的“朝圣地”,出售的产品从药品到染眉毛(和睫毛)的膏应有尽有。即便如此,在全市突然涌现出大量龙城大药房的“山寨版”时,这家夫妻老婆店的店主依然一下慌了阵脚。
据美国彭博新闻社10月8日报道,近年来,以这家有60年历史的老店命名的药店--但并非其附属药房--出现在香港的旅游黄金区,混迹于一连串小药房之中,这些黄金地段距路易威登和香奈儿这样的大牌专卖店仅几分钟的路程。这些较小药房常常霓虹闪烁,为出售的免税药品做广告。
报道称,其货架陈列的商品中包括Muscle Rub(美国基柏强力肌肉镇痛摩擦膏),止痛药,壮阳剂和中药。但是如果你私下里打探,许多药店也会卖给你其它一些东西:抗癌和治疗丙肝的药品--无需出示处方。
多年来,香港以内地购物者在古驰和普拉达等奢侈品专门店选购最新款之地著称。现在,处方药成为它的另一个亮点。
报道称,诸如美国吉利德科技公司治疗丙肝的新药索非布韦片(Sovaldi)、瑞士罗氏控股公司治疗乳腺癌的赫赛汀(Herceptin),这些药在内地要么买不到,要么就更加昂贵。许多内地游客更愿意在香港买药,因为他们认为香港的质量可能更有保证。
一位... 阅读全帖 |
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M*****e 发帖数: 279 | 22 I guess that he manufactered at least two "hot" chemo drugs, both of which
are unfortunately very expensive.
1. Erlotinib (Tarceva): marketed by Genentech, OSI Pharmaceuticals, and
Roche. It's an EGFR inhibitor.
For details about this drug, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erlotinib
2. Sorafenib: marketed as Nexavar by Bayer. It is a multiple kinase
inhibitor (such as Raf, VEGFR and PDGFR).
For details, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorafenib
制药业中的一个常见问题是:药厂不愿意研发,甚至生产非常见病的药。因为利润少。
著名的例子就是Glee... 阅读全帖 |
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d*********o 发帖数: 6388 | 23 http://cn.nytimes.com/article/world/2013/04/02/c02patent/
新德里——非洲和亚洲发展中国家的人将可以继续使用对抗艾滋病和癌症等疾病的药物
的廉价仿制品,至少在未来一段时间内如此。
印度最高法院周一作出一项裁决,支持了在印度生产通用名药的做法。印度是世界最大
的廉价药品出产国。
全球药品定价问题,一直是发达国家与发展中国家之间冲突最严重的问题之一。较穷的
国家认为,为本国民众生产廉价通用名药物是一种道义上的责任,在一些情况下需要对
专利权进行限制。但持有这些药品的商标名称的制药企业则主张,他们获取的利润至关
重要,否则就没有能力研发和制造创新的药品。
具体而言,这项裁决允许印度通用名药生产企业继续制造格列卫(Gleevec)的仿制版本
。格列卫由诺华公司(Novartis)制造,被广泛认为是数十年来最重要的医学发现之一。
这种药品在欧洲和其他国家拼作“Glivec”,对某些类型的白血病疗效极佳,以至于
2001年美国食品与药品管理局(Food and Drug Administration,简称FDA)以创纪录
的速度完成了该药品的... 阅读全帖 |
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 24
1-2-3最后随机双盲多医院临床实验很重要,少数几个没走完程序看到好苗头就给快速
通过的癌症药结局不一。
像gleevec证明是对的,快速审批救了不少人;avastin就扯淡了,现在FDA又收回推荐
,但已经让genentech几年赚个饱。 |
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l*****7 发帖数: 8463 | 25 http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/28/us-science-cancer-idU
(Reuters) - A former researcher at Amgen Inc has found that many basic
studies on cancer -- a high proportion of them from university labs -- are
unreliable, with grim consequences for producing new medicines in the future.
During a decade as head of global cancer research at Amgen, C. Glenn Begley
identified 53 "landmark" publications -- papers in top journals, from
reputable labs -- for his team to reproduce. Begley sought to doub... 阅读全帖 |
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e***y 发帖数: 4307 | 26 现在癌症晚期还活好几年的大有人在,像肺癌,靶向药的出现让很多晚期病人都活了三
五年,生活质量还不错,这在十几年前都难以想象。更别说像gleevec这种药救了多少
CML病人的命。什么算是过度治疗怎么界定?对有些人来说,有机会延长三个月寿命即
使要花大钱,经历痛苦的治疗也在所不惜。病人如果自己不想治疗了医生还能逼着你去
化疗放疗? |
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a*****1 发帖数: 3134 | 27
:看了影片内容应该是一感人的
:
2016年gleevec的价格是146000美元一年。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 28 制药业的真相
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制药公司最喜欢什么类型的药?说来很简单。那些能把你的病马上治好的药绝不是好药
,因为那么快就根治疾病,接下来还怎么赚钱?最好的药,是永远治不好你的病,但你
不吃又不行,于是你就产生了依赖性,变成像吸毒一样天天要吃,这样才能给制药公司
带来最大的收益。所以最好的药,就是治疗慢性病的药。很多人上了年纪之后,就变成
了药罐子,成了制药公司的提款机。
在上篇文章中,我提到一个观点,由于药品研发的成本非常高,所以药物价格高可能是
合理的。但是,当我看完了《制药业的真相》这本书之后,我发现自己真的是太天真了。
制药业的真相
《制药业的真相》的作者玛西娅·安吉尔是《新英格兰医学杂志》的前主编,由于在医
疗行业干了20多年,她发现了太多行业潜规则,于是就写成了这本书。
该书作者提出了一个显而易见的观点,那就是:药品的定价和成本毫无关系。那些号称
因为成本太高所以定价高的说法,... 阅读全帖 |
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w***u 发帖数: 17713 | 29 gleevec又不是救命药,续个几个月吧。续命药最贵,用处最小。 |
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c*****g 发帖数: 21627 | 30 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: desesperado (desesperada), 信区: Military
标 题: NYT: 印度批准廉价山寨药
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 2 12:18:16 2013, 美东)
http://cn.nytimes.com/article/world/2013/04/02/c02patent/
新德里——非洲和亚洲发展中国家的人将可以继续使用对抗艾滋病和癌症等疾病的药物
的廉价仿制品,至少在未来一段时间内如此。
印度最高法院周一作出一项裁决,支持了在印度生产通用名药的做法。印度是世界最大
的廉价药品出产国。
全球药品定价问题,一直是发达国家与发展中国家之间冲突最严重的问题之一。较穷的
国家认为,为本国民众生产廉价通用名药物是一种道义上的责任,在一些情况下需要对
专利权进行限制。但持有这些药品的商标名称的制药企业则主张,他们获取的利润至关
重要,否则就没有能力研发和制造创新的药品。
具体而言,这项裁决允许印度通用名药生产企业继续制造格列卫(Gleevec)的仿制版本
。格列卫由诺华公司(Nova... 阅读全帖 |
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D***n 发帖数: 6804 | 31 美国疾病控制中心估计每年约有400-500万美国人从国外购买处方药,而加拿大就是主
要的目标国家,加拿大药剂协会也通过检测网络药品销售表示,2016年至今,至少已有
100万美国消费者从加拿大购买处方药。
加拿大药品监督是世界上最严格的国家之一,不仅质量有保证,且价格便宜的多。一位
需要长期注射胰岛素的美国患者表示在加拿大购买两个月的药量仅需要116.65美元,而
美国则需要1508.94美元,省了足足92%的费用。其他药如治疗类风湿关节炎的Humira加
拿大便宜296美元,用于治疗癌症的Gleevec加拿大便宜5073美元。 |
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h***e 发帖数: 2823 | 32 俩月的胰岛素要1500?
这人他在美国有保险?啥保险的药的copay一种药能一个月750?
没保险跑加拿大看便宜病买便宜药,
和唐人街的跑中国植牙有区别?说明中国牙医水平高?中国保险更好?
: 美国疾病控制中心估计每年约有400-500万美国人从国外购买处方药,而加拿大
就是主
: 要的目标国家,加拿大药剂协会也通过检测网络药品销售表示,2016年至今,至
少已有
: 100万美国消费者从加拿大购买处方药。
: 加拿大药品监督是世界上最严格的国家之一,不仅质量有保证,且价格便宜的多
。一位
: 需要长期注射胰岛素的美国患者表示在加拿大购买两个月的药量仅需要116.65美
元,而
: 美国则需要1508.94美元,省了足足92%的费用。其他药如治疗类风湿关节炎的
Humira加
: 拿大便宜296美元,用于治疗癌症的Gleevec加拿大便宜5073美元。
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A******y 发帖数: 2041 | 33 Usually the great discovery is not published in fancy journals. Look at
Gleevec, it only made it to Cancer Research and the original crystal
structure is published in Structure (IF ~2 at that point now is around 5) |
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S**S 发帖数: 146 | 34 Gleevec structure is a science paper, isn't it? Btw 15 years ago
Structure had an IF around 11. It was only getting worse since the birth of
Nature Structural and Molecular biology. |
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m**a 发帖数: 1228 | 35 大名鼎鼎的Gleevec
Novartis的
当然要处方?你才来美国? |
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c****d 发帖数: 681 | 36 不要折腾了,在美国没戏的。gleevec,靶向抗癌药的鼻祖,这类药是所有药中最贵的
。必须要
处方,没有医生敢随意开的,除非他不想干了。就是开了处方,也不一定拿得到,还要
和保险公司商量,很多保险不cover的。不是象一般药去个CVS,walgreen就能拿到的。
你自己出的话。如果是正规渠道,价格和中国
差不多的。网上那些,你能找到的不说100%,99.9%是假的。加拿大一样的。让你亲戚
赶紧国内找路子,尤其是病友,看看能不能从印度买。印度不认novartis的专利,便宜
很多。还有可以试试找诺华去哭穷。在美国很多大药厂找他哭穷的话有可能直接从药厂
拿药,便宜很多。最多我知道pfizer给了75% off。中国不太清楚了。 |
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z******n 发帖数: 97 | 37 Genentech is the leading player, you may check their website for their
targeted therapy compounds, however, these approved agents usually can
extend patient life span for 3-5 month, like Trastuzumab emtansine, and the
cost in the US is about 9400 $ per month.
see the following link, or google Antibody-drug conjugate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trastuzumab_emtansine
you may also check the kinase inhibitors for cancer, sometimes they also
work,like Imatinib (Gleevec)cost $92,000/year |
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h******e 发帖数: 1791 | 39 在美国这个药的名字是gleevec,治疗慢性骨髓瘤性白血病的靶向药物,遗憾的说,是
处方药,且价格昂贵。 |
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f******I 发帖数: 769 | 41
widen
for idiopathic myelofibrosis that is refractory to hydroxyurea, when patient
still with portal hypertension and anemia, and symptoms, then splenectomy
is an option, if the patient is too sick to undergo surgery, then you can
consider radiation to the spleen that might reduce the size a little bit,
since philadelphia chromosome is negative, not sure what is the rule of
gleevec in this particular case, |
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l*****g 发帖数: 149 | 42 Ask friends who can go to India on business see if they can help to buy.
Some companies like Hua Wei, Zhong Xing has workers in India |
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w**********9 发帖数: 242 | 43 for chronic myeloid leukemia, most cases can be cured with STI-571 (Gleevec).
for acute granulocyte leukemia, it is curable with vitamine A.
others will be treated best with bone marrow transplantation |
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g******8 发帖数: 34 | 44 这两种药物国内应该都有吧
如果回国,有什么可以推荐给病人的礼物(药物或者补品)?
多谢
Gleevec). |
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a****y 发帖数: 1035 | 45 国内都有. Gleevec 的药费2万多RMB/月。
如没有医保,你就送点钱吧。 |
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a*******e 发帖数: 253 | 46 达人们,您们好。我爸的病经过北大医院的骨髓化验,他们结论是嗜酸粒细胞白血病。
我有一位生物学专家朋友告诉我,慢性粒细胞白血病(chronic myeloid leukemia)美国
已有药治疗,是Novartis公司生产的,叫作Gleevec(named "Glivec" in Europe),主
要成分是imatinib。
请问哪位达人了解这种药?它对嗜酸粒细胞白血病有疗效吗?
即使这药有用,也要美国癌症医生开处方才可买到。
先叩谢了!! |
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g*****j 发帖数: 1211 | 47 Gleevec only works in Chronic myeloid leukemia (CML) with Philadelphia
chromosome, which is a specific chromosomal abnormality that causes most
cases of CML. I don't think that is what your father has though according
to your description. Hematologic cancer is very sophisticated medicine.
Accurate diagnosis based on molecular medicine is crucial, because we have
very effective ways to treat some disease, but little treatment for others.
BTW, I am glad that you are not only trying Hantang :) T |
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r******y 发帖数: 9892 | 48 这恐怕很难了……如果是小病小痛可能还有医生朋友愿意帮你承担风险开处方(不过一
般也得是很熟的才行),白血病的药估计是没可能了…… |
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