b******n
发帖数: 1629 | 1 拉沃也不想一下，现在大满贯的场地都不一样，他那个时候全是草场？
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 2 Roland Garros is always clay. |
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O*********r
发帖数: 1835 | 3 我要是纳豆的话，从今天起就只打土地和大满贯。他的打法太伤身，不会长寿，所以不
要在250或500级非土地的大师赛上伤身了。
纳豆的目标应该是：大满贯上超越费费。要讲究efficiency. |
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 4 他硬地也要热身啊。总不能打完温网后一直歇到美网？再说，球员打球最终还是为了挣
钱，不打那些比赛怎么保持#1，怎么挣赞助/奖金？ |
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O*********r
发帖数: 1835 | 5 这是个难题。
纳豆要是想得开，排名第一不在乎，用延寿的办法来弥补每年少打硬地赚的钱。
Total money= number of year x $/year
纳豆延长右式第一项，减小第二项。
最后如果能在大满贯总数上称为all time best,也是不错的 legacy. |
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m*****r
发帖数: 3822 | 6 豆子现在已经不怎么伤身了，mileage高倒是真的。 |
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d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 7 ATP和WTA对球员每年要参加多少赛事是有规定的，不是你想不打就能不打的，没有合理
理由不参赛的话会有处罚的。大小威因为不参加indian wells就被WTA处罚过。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 8 能怎么处罚？也就罚点分而已。人家小威根本不在乎这个。 |
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J****0
发帖数: 2400 | 9 大威更不在乎，她的原话是：
But I don't care if they fine me a million dollars, I will not play there
again。 |
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m*****r
发帖数: 3822 | 10 要看当年的比赛密度啊，谁来说说？数据帝？
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w**j
发帖数: 38 | 11 还是看NADAL的。如果他能拿下澳网，那么今年的法网温网对他来说也是探囊取物。
这将打破LAVER大满贯连续四次冠军的记录。大满贯连续六七次冠军，这个记录难不难
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 14 I meant if their slam titles would be close. Rod Laver only has 11 or 12 (
dont remember exactly) slam titles, but there are still a small amount of
people think he is the GOAT just because he won calendar year slams in 2
different years. |
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H*B
发帖数: 3645 | 15 GOAT这个东西见仁见智，你再牛也不可能打破所有的东西，还是有人觉着另一个人更牛
，只要大多数人认同就行了。等狒狒拿到20个的时候，估计就没多少人好意思说laver
是GOAT了。 |
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 16 IMO, ff is GOAT no matter what happens.
laver |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 17 Connors is a more extreme example. It doesn't mean anything, really.
If you go earlier, it's very common for old guns to perform well.
Rosewall could still win GS at 38. Laver was still in top 5 at 35.
It doesn't really mean the newer generation was weaker. |
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 18 美网之后明明roger赢过joker的。。。
今年以来joker是很棒，不过roger也算不错啦。
反正roger现在早就不能象04－06那样统治了，做费粉的早就应该习惯啦。
事实上，真正能长时间统治网坛的，也就是laver，borg，federer等屈指可数的几个。
sampras都有点儿勉强。。。 |
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 19 我也有这个印象。数据我就不知道了。。。
这就是为啥他虽然只有11个大满贯，却能跟laver，sampras，federer相提并论。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 20 Borg's career winning ratio is 82.7%, the best in open era.
The only one that might have a shot at this ratio is Laver, who
is 79.5% (note this was after he was 30).
Connors and Lendl are both 81.8%, slightly behind Borg. However,
coming to GS performance, Borg's winning ratio is a stunning 89.8%,
heads and shoulders above anyone else. (Even Federer is only 87.3%.)
Granted Borg retired at age 25, his statistics also included his
early ages between 17-19. So even if he didn't retire, his numbers
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 21 Grand Slam winning streak has little extra value because it almost
has the same meaning as consecutive GS streak.
i.e., it's not hard to understand that Rod Laver holds the open era
record of 29 consecutive GS wins -- because he is the only person
achieving calendar-year grand slam. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 22 If they were not in the same half, how many times do you think Joker
would pass Federer in 2007-2009 to reach the final?
BTW: just found the H2H record. Rod Laver 79-63 Ken Rosewall. In Open
Era alone they were 23-9, when both guys were over 30. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 23 There will be very little argument against Federer's GOAT status.
GOAT = Greatest (Achievements) Of All Time
By definition, there will be *ONE* and *ONLY ONE* GOAT at any given time.
No matter how you look at it, it will be hardly arguable that Federer
is not the current GOAT. There might be some argument that Laver is the
current GOAT. Any nominations of other players are just completely
subjective and distorting the definition of GOAT. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 24 You said "他的goat地位总是受到质疑的". This is exactly my point.
Basically you have a vague understanding of the "GOAT" definition.
Even if Federer is 0-20 to Nadal, he is still the GOAT for now.
It doesn't not make Nadal, or Laver, or Sampras the GOAT.
If you meant "Federer对Nadal战绩没什么说服力", then it's a good
statement. Federer对Nadal战绩 has never been 有说服力 at any time
of his career. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 25 偶总是很奇怪为什么会有人质疑这个，而且还不是因为支持Laver. |
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j********a
发帖数: 612 | 27 laver vs emerson. who is better ? |
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B****n
发帖数: 100 | 28 re
Laver
多谢版大信任，诸位抬举，废话不说，发那啥天罡之数。
光Re没有，须得举出大满贯单打冠军一员方可。
前者支持的Q,t,b,d,u,A,s诸位另有小小谢礼，不成敬意。 |
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 29 嗯，我来总结一下：
1. 跟nadal的h2h
2. 跟nadal大满贯的h2h
3. 跟nadal大满贯决赛的h2h
4. 对手没有老桑那代牛比
6. 没有年度全满贯，所以不如laver
7. arrogant（也就是说话不中费黑听的意思） |
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J****0
发帖数: 2400 | 30 Rod Laver: 170
Jimmy Connors: 177
Marcelo Rios: 175 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 31 Rod Laver era didn't have computer ranking. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 32 Rod Laver, 170cm, 11 GSs, was the GOAT... |
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f*********e
发帖数: 8453 | 33 发信人: hatemaths (例如), 信区: Nadal
标 题: Re: 老费的GOAT含金量不足啊
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 3 14:04:54 2011, 美东)
【 以下文字转载自 Tennis 讨论区 】
发信人: Snape (Severus), 信区: Tennis
标 题: Re: 老费的GOAT含金量不足啊
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 3 14:03:56 2011, 美东)
嗯，我来总结一下：
1. 跟nadal的h2h
2. 跟nadal大满贯的h2h
3. 跟nadal大满贯决赛的h2h
4. 对手没有老桑那代牛比
6. 没有年度全满贯，所以不如laver
7. arrogant（也就是说话不中费黑听的意思） |
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g****e
发帖数: 930 | 34 小德今年很可能全满贯，太牛了。
不过以后四大满贯球速越来越接近，年度全满贯的难度应该比Rod Laver的年代小一些 |
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s****y
发帖数: 704 | 35 rod laver那时候四大满贯就只是土场和草场，比现在难度小多了。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 36 按照总决赛标准，GOAT是Lendl.
5个冠军，4个亚军，3个半决赛，0个小组赛被淘汰。
当然，当年Laver等的时代没有总决赛。。。
所以不 |
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f*********e
发帖数: 8453 | 37 还有一个比这三个都牛的你竟然不知道？
去google 'Rod Laver'
还有，老费人2004，2006，2007三年都是三满贯。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 38 转载您老人家以前的精辟总结
发信人: Snape (Severus), 信区: Tennis
标 题: Re: 老费的GOAT含金量不足啊
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jul 3 14:03:56 2011, 美东)
嗯，我来总结一下：
1. 跟nadal的h2h
2. 跟nadal大满贯的h2h
3. 跟nadal大满贯决赛的h2h
4. 对手没有老桑那代牛比
6. 没有年度全满贯，所以不如laver
7. arrogant（也就是说话不中费黑听的意思）
赛，
250赛 |
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Q*****n
发帖数: 4546 | 39 这竟然是FF 7年来第一次被安排到外场
A physical issue, too, allowed Federer to progress without raising a sweat
in conditions that had Fish boiling. That his opponent, Karol Beck, withdrew
with a back problem also meant the Swiss - who had been scheduled to play
his first match away from Rod Laver Arena since 2004 - did not have to play
on Hisense Arena. |
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n********r
发帖数: 4558 | 40 then try to find Azarenka vs Benesova
or anything with Rod Laver |
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a******n
发帖数: 5925 | 41 Thank you for voting!
Roger Federer 71.52% (25,121 votes)
Rafael Nadal 11.56% (4,059 votes)
Pete Sampras 6.51% (2,286 votes)
Rod Laver 4.1% (1,439 votes)
Other: 2.85% (1,000 votes)
Bjorn Borg 2.82% (992 votes)
Don Budge 0.09% (33 votes)
Jack Crawford 0.06% (21 votes)
桑椹第三。 |
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 43 所以goat就是指成就嘛。
所以大家才会在rod laver和roger federer之间讨论嘛。
一个是两次年度全满贯，一个是到目前为止16满贯。
到底哪个更山羊，标准不统一很难说。
其它分析啥对手啊，时代啊，h2h啊之类的，都是扯淡。 |
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g*y
发帖数: 2354 | 44 我觉得还有一个原因是pete超过laver等人是三四十年以后的事情，所以大家以为出这
种神一级人物的间隔不可能短于两个decade，直到老费来打破这个旧印象，于是在新印
象还正新鲜的时候又出来个小德，expectation就自然上去了。 |
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y***e
发帖数: 6082 | 45 为啥04算半个，奶牛统治就是从04澳网，也就是第二个GS开始的，整整四年
豆子统治了08和10，09算奶牛回光和豆子共治
如果joke能拿下接下来的法网，就是全满贯，而且还是连着拿的，牛豆都未曾做到过，
就凭这个也能历史top5，如果能实现laver的神迹，那至少top3了，至于能不能作GOAT
，就看最后数量了 |
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f*********e
发帖数: 8453 | 47 前6估计是：Laver, Graff, Navratilova, Federer, Sampras, Nadal. |
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f******g
发帖数: 13917 | 48 现在剩下5男5女了：
5 women left - King, Court, Evert, Navratilova, Graf
and 5 men - Nadal, Borg, Sampras, Laver, Federer |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 49 10, Nadal
9, King
8, Evert
7, Borg
6, Navratilova
5, Court
4, Graf
3, Laver
2, Sampras
1, Federer
my guess |
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f******g
发帖数: 13917 | 50 top 10 出来了。
10 - Billie Jean King, USA
9 - Chris Evert, USA
8 - Margaret Court, AUS
7 - Bjorn Borg, SWE
6 - Rafael Nadal, ESP
5 - Pete Sampras, USA
4 - Martina Navratilova, USA
3 - Steffi Graf, GER
2 - Rod Laver, AUS
1 - Roger Federer, SUI |
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