s*******h
发帖数: 375 | 1 Integrity! 比你是否有几刷子都要紧的多。
说重你，就是你人品有问题。
估计你会是Madoff的崇拜着的。 |
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t**********d
发帖数: 638 | 2 FUCH Jews. Those son of bitches! We need Hitler!
There are very few goo people in Jews. There are som amny bad ones like
Madoff. There are other two Jews who did Ponzy Schemes, but I do not
remember their names. |
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c**0
发帖数: 9331 | 3 投资组合增长计划，每年大概8-12%的回报。
where can i get it? better than Madoff |
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N********t
发帖数: 1259 | 4 看来到处有scam呀，能做成madoff那样才是my hero,这个太鄙视了吧，
中国人要跟米犹斗才有意思呀，那个级别money就是一些number而已，QQ 和歪脖懂我的
意思。 |
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K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 5 I would stay away from it. 利息 is even higher than Bernard Madoff used to
provide. |
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c**0
发帖数: 9331 | 6 Madoff was doing ebiz when he was a kid |
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s*******n
发帖数: 4605 | 7 像Madoff那种欠了几十亿的，如果输光了，那报警不报警估计受害人都不可能要回来钱
。而6i欠的毕竟只是几w，从别的地方挪点过来也许就能还清了，例如国内的家里。而
报警之后，要是他看到反正赔不赔都得判刑，那有可能都懒得挪钱，直接赖掉了。这得
看做错事的人自己如何选择，如果聪明的，应该尽早修补自己的过失，避免事情继续扩
大。现在也不知道他有没有跟受害人进行沟通，不好下结论。 |
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f****g
发帖数: 23666 | 9 相信今天已经没人再相信同情it了吧，完全失去理智的一个骗子了 |
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b*******g
发帖数: 6008 | 11 也可能像madoff一样，骗后面的钱去还前面的。 |
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 13 (continued)
(1) 郁从周, 美国人退休后能拿多少钱？
http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/simp/world/2010/09/100914_us_pension_caihong.shtml
("原来，还就是因为这个经理头衔，让里卡尔多决意跳槽。按照美国联邦的工会法，管
理人员不能参加工会，一线工人才可以组织、参加工会。工会会员的最大好处，就是有
退休金可拿。")
My comment:
(a) 里卡尔多 Ricardo (first name of a Spanish speaking man)
(b) The quote somehow suggests a manager can not receive a pension but that
a union member can. I am uncertain about the former. But the latter refers
to multiemployer plans.
Introduction to multiemployer plans. Pension Benefit G... 阅读全帖 |
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N********t
发帖数: 1259 | 14 这个论据一点都不靠铺，真正的大骗子都是开始给你好处的，比如说Madoff案件，也有
人受益阿。。。在中国南方一带行骗，骗子都是先给钱，一群人设下圈套，最后就骗那
些有些贪婪又不懂社会的人，最高明的骗子都是心理学研究的非常透的。
你根本就无需在这里发誓阿，说那些气话，拿出大家要的证据啊，你如果报警了，警察
肯定留了警察的联系方式，你把那个警察的名字和电话号码公布一下，我们自己打电话
去咨询。。。。
“1. 我在这里交易也不是一天两天了，交易过的神医也不下10个了。如果以往有和
任何神医有过任何欺骗，请站出来只要说一句话本人就引颈就戮”。 |
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s***6
发帖数: 5749 | 15 if this is true, no one should invest in mutual fund any more, there is no
FDIC insurance, and there is possible of fraud like this. |
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s**x
发帖数: 7506 | 16 i seldom do so anyway. I do not see any motives for the fund managers to
improve your return. they got a fat check regardless the performance. i
never trusted them. |
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p********t
发帖数: 1219 | 17 Their return depends on your return, in fact.
However, since there is not enough regulation, they can do anything to your
money. |
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l****n
发帖数: 6773 | 21 most 401K funds are like this |
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h**********e
发帖数: 34 | 25 发现一只小的.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081223/lawyer_arrested.html
Second arrest announced in fraud case
Tuesday December 23, 10:21 am ET
By Larry Neumeister, Associated Press Writer
Securities broker charged in fraudulent sale of securities to hedge funds
NEW YORK (AP) -- Prosecutors have announced a second arrest in the fraud
case facing a prominent Manhattan lawyer accused of duping hedge funds into
making bogus investments.
Broker Kosta Kovachev was charged Tuesday with wire fraud in a criminal
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w******o
发帖数: 302 | 26 it is called the US Treasury |
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h**********e
发帖数: 34 | 28 他在抢臭虫的饭碗.
厨房里的小动物挺多的, 呵呵. 如果蟑螂不能当代表的话. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 29 http://news.wenxuecity.com/messages/200901/news-gb2312-766598.html
金融海啸还未平息，华尔街传出匪夷所思的「老鼠会」，诈骗金额高达500亿美元，受
骗者竟然是全球知名银行和经过大风浪的人中菁英，12月23日法国投资基金管理人德拉
维耶伊谢(Thierry de la Villehuchet)在纽约办公室自杀，后续的灾难还不可测。这
个骗局的始作俑者——前那斯达克主席马多夫(Bernard Madoff)为何可以明目张胆、运
作如此庞大的骗局长达20多年？
黑格尔说：「人性千年不变，并且从不吸取教训。」对这句话，我不敢完全苟同。人类
不是不断地在自我完善和追求进步吗？不过，在对待金钱方面，黑老这句话倒似乎是千
真万确的！
上世纪20年代，位于美国东北部的新英格兰地区，一个叫Charles Ponzi（查尔斯庞氏
）的人，有一天忽然宣布：「我找到了发大财的秘诀，已经是百万富翁了。我们都信仰
上帝，非但不能独享财富，而且还要帮大家一起富起来。谁将钱存在我那儿，我担保每
个月给他比银行利息更高的回报。」人们询问他是怎么做到的。他 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 30 Something like Madoff fund? No disclosure of portfolio but beats S&P every
month? |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 31 What's wrong with Madoff method? Aren't all banks doing the same thing?
Attract people to deposit money, award them with 4% APY, and then use the
money to loan out or invest, sometimes earns 10+%, but most times loses
money. But as long as the bank can get more deposit in (4% is quite
attractive. If not enough, go with 6%.), it's safe.
So what's wrong with that? @_@ |
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u**o
发帖数: 4652 | 32 Madoff did not use the money to loan out or invest bah...
He used the 2nd person's money to pay the 1st person, and the 3rd person's
money to pay the 2nd person, and so on.
Fake the high rate of return |
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S******n
发帖数: 617 | 33 When will Federal agents show up at the Treasury's door? |
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D******r
发帖数: 491 | 36 Could this guy be the Super Madoff?
He was calling Americans to buy stock to show their patriotism, or maybe he
was trying recruiting for his scheme? |
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a******g
发帖数: 1538 | 37 有两类ponzi scheme, 一种是开始就想骗的，另一种是开始想赚钱，但事与愿违，于是
为了名誉金钱先做假帐先糊弄过去，希望市场好转。
据说Madoff算第二类，先前的名声太高了，不好意思和人家说赔了。
这个stanford不知道算哪类。 |
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W***i
发帖数: 833 | 39 总得买点啥，Securitized以外的不太多了吧 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 41 来自主题: Investment版 - dodfx DODFX is still better than Madoff fund ah, hehe. |
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k****t
发帖数: 12697 | 42 OMG. Is SIB's CEO name Madoff? or Cosmo?
CDs |
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h*******y
发帖数: 864 | 43 That's what happens when investor seeks extra return but don't want to take
any additional risks. In the end, it's not that the new investment method
does not have risks, but the risks are hiding under the surface. How many
investors bought AAA-rating MBS?
Smart investors always seek risk-free returns. My IQ is lower but my heart
is stronger so I seek the risk-premium instead. So the bumpy the ride, the
better for me.
By the way, for those who missed the Madoff and Stanford international bank
op |
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b****e
发帖数: 28 | 44 you're stronger than madoff :) |
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j**c
发帖数: 234 | 45 not very impressive la
2008: about 30%
2009 (ytd): 153%
-Madoff |
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w**j
发帖数: 2046 | 46 他把投资人的所有的钱都放在chase manhattan的一个银行账号里，没有拿去炒股，基
金，甚至cd都有没存。
那最后他的骗术怎么发现的? 有投资人要撤资? |
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k**o
发帖数: 15334 | 47 炒股以他的水平暴露的更快。被发现是因为投资人要撤资，因为这次大衰退，要提取70
亿，结果他账户里就剩4亿了，所以就暴露了。 |
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a******o
发帖数: 7982 | 48 他好像給投資人固定20%的回報,然後他用後面人的錢填前面人的洞.如果去炒,估計發現
的更加快 |
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h*******y
发帖数: 864 | 50 The things that you worried can be corrected by the equity market itself.
Yes, everyone could be running a ponzi game, but how long can they run
it? How long did Madoff run? Can he extended it for 30 years? 100 years?
Overall, investor would demand higher sustained value creation over a
long period of time, otherwise those bad businesses and capital will say
goodbye to each other.
Yes, in the worst possible scenario, if everyone just blindly buy-and-hold
then we will have trouble. But we have gr |
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