s***s
发帖数: 107 | 1 我看到的，一般满族人用manchu，manchurian一般指东北人。
少数情况下manchurian指满族人。 |
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发帖数: 21374 | 2 佛罗里达州前州长、2016年在共和党总统候选人提名中输给特朗普的杰布·布什(Jeb
Bush)就已建议美国人看一看《满洲候选人》(The Manchurian Candidate)，这是一部
经典的冷战惊悚片，其中一个政治家族的后裔后来被发现遭到共产党洗脑，成了他们的
潜伏特工 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 3
jeb娶了劳模宣传大赦，丫才是Manchurian Candidate |
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发帖数: 34 | 4 看了几个贴子，突然想起：为什么还没有人提出一个关于Zero的conspiracy theory呢
？昨天有人转载IBD的文章讲Zero当年如何由阿拉伯势力找人推荐进Harvard Law
School，今天又有人贴了video中间Zero“口误”说到“my Muslim faith”。在联想到
Zero1996年竞选Illinois senate的时候就立马有高人相助disqualify所有其他候选人
。2004年DNC又被安排讲话。这次竞选班子比Hillary的还要老到。这不是个Manchurian
candidate吗？
BTW，Zero说自己管理几千竞选团队是executive experience是BS。所有人的竞选班子
从strategy到operation都是campaign manager管理，候选人只负责抛头露面，都不出
现在war room里。这次Hillary就输在用人错误上。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 5 有誰可以講出 Manchurian Candidate 與現在選情有任何可以類比之處，合理的類比，
我發包子。 |
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c****x
发帖数: 6601 | 6 Trafford Devil
Mongolian here, hopefully I can give you an unbiased opinion.
Short answer: Mongolians hate China and as for Inner Mongolians, Mongolians
pity and scorn them because they think they've been assimilated and
mixed with the Chinese and are no longer really Mongolian.
Long answer: It's a complicated mix of history, racism and an
inferiority complex that forms the Mongolian opinion on China.
First the racism: Since the times of Chingis Khaan Mongolians have claimed
racial superiority ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10 | 7 NISSAN的总部曾在长春
当时的基本环境是日本在三十年代开始经营“满洲国”。。。
见W.G. BEASLEY “JAPNESE IMPERIALISM 1894-1945”。P216。
“A new organization was created as a channel for it[supplementing heavy
industrial production in the Japanese homeland]: the Manchuria Industrial
Development Company (known as Mangyo), which was founded in December 1937,
taking over from Mantetsu the supervision of the special and semi-special
companies. These constituted the Manchukuo government’s contribution to its
initial capital. The rest was pro... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1036 | 8 1900年英、法、德、美、日、俄、意、奧聯軍自大沽登陸；7月9日，滿軍将领聶士成於
天津城南戰死。14日，聯軍佔領天津；開始時總人數約3萬人，後來增至約5萬人，此後
聯軍陸續增兵至十萬，由京津出兵，分攻山海關等地。同时，俄國從南北兩路派二十餘
萬人進佔滿洲本部。8月4日，北路俄軍攻陷璦琿，直逼齐齐哈尔。8月28日，抵近齐齐
哈尔城，并炮击城内。黑龙江将军 袁寿山（汉軍正白旗）坚守“军覆则死”的诺言，
自卧棺中，命卫士枪击，壮烈殉国。至9月佔領吉林烏拉駐地吉林；南路8月佔據營口，
10月佔領盛京，10月6日兩軍會師，佔據了南滿全境。
人物简介：寿山（1860年－1900年），字眉峰，黑龙江瑷珲人，汉军正白旗。为吉林将
军富明阿之子、明末将领袁崇焕八世孙。清末任黑龙江将军。黑龍江將軍，全稱鎮守黑
龍江等處地方將軍，清代黑龍江地區最高官員，康熙二十二年（1683年）設立，官階為
正一品，乾隆三十二年（1767年）改為從一品比直隶总督高半级。
聂士成（1836年－1900年），字功亭，谥忠节, 满清国人，满军名將，“力勇巴圖魯”
，直隸提督。直隸提督，统领直隶军务的最高军事长官，为从一品。
T... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 451 | 9 7)why did China sink over the past few centuries if you think you guys know
so much?
Admirals Yin Ching's and Zheng He's diplomatic voyages of goodwill
frightened the alien inter dimensional masters of the western world rulers.
They were worried that an early awakening of global goodwill, compassion and
diplomacy would lead to the end of their domination and control.( Now this
is going to be quite challenging ). For these alien multi inter dimensional
slave masters, timeline control is their for... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 10 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: nile (nile), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 基佬人渣为什么要诬蔑张纯如有“妄想症”
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 29 11:20:46 2014, 美东)
日本法西斯禽兽后代余孽威胁张纯如的事情大家都知道。有很长一段时间，他们每隔不
到一周就要对张纯如进行一次电话邮件骚扰威胁。还用电脑病毒进行黑客攻击。张纯如
不得不频繁改电话号码，搬家，保密家庭地址。
基佬人渣“食药毋宁死”，千方百计诬蔑张纯如有“妄想症”。其用心很清楚，就是企
图掩盖否认日本法西斯余孽勾结美国干爹威胁报复张纯如。
张纯如认为有一个强有力的组织一直在对她实施迫害。是有根据的，不仅是她一直以来
受到的威胁和骚扰，而且她最后在Louisville遭遇到至今还没有人知道真相的事情，给
她造成严重打击。她有理由认为这些事情有一个强力组织操纵。这都符合一个正常人的
理性思维。她的怀疑也没有明确指向性，能够肆无忌惮作这些事情的当然是强力集团。
但是她并知道这个组织是些什么人。Whether it was the CIA or... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 11 标 题: 基佬人渣为什么要诬蔑张纯如有“妄想症”
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 29 11:20:46 2014, 美东)
日本法西斯禽兽后代余孽威胁张纯如的事情大家都知道。有很长一段时间，他们每隔不
到一周就要对张纯如进行一次电话邮件骚扰威胁。还用电脑病毒进行黑客攻击。张纯如
不得不频繁改电话号码，搬家，保密家庭地址。
基佬人渣“食药毋宁死”，千方百计诬蔑张纯如有“妄想症”。其用心很清楚，就是企
图掩盖否认日本法西斯余孽勾结美国干爹威胁报复张纯如。
张纯如认为有一个强有力的组织一直在对她实施迫害。是有根据的，不仅是她一直以来
受到的威胁和骚扰，而且她最后在Louisville遭遇到至今还没有人知道真相的事情，给
她造成严重打击。她有理由认为这些事情有一个强力组织操纵。这都符合一个正常人的
理性思维。她的怀疑也没有明确指向性，能够肆无忌惮作这些事情的当然是强力集团。
但是她并知道这个组织是些什么人。Whether it was the CIA or some other
organization I will never know. 她能够肯定的只有一点，As lo... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 12 日本法西斯禽兽后代余孽威胁张纯如的事情大家都知道。有很长一段时间，他们每隔不
到一周就要对张纯如进行一次电话邮件骚扰威胁。还用电脑病毒进行黑客攻击。张纯如
不得不频繁改电话号码，搬家，保密家庭地址。
基佬人渣“食药毋宁死”，千方百计诬蔑张纯如有“妄想症”。其用心很清楚，就是企
图掩盖否认日本法西斯余孽勾结美国干爹威胁报复张纯如。
张纯如认为有一个强有力的组织一直在对她实施迫害。是有根据的，不仅是她一直以来
受到的威胁和骚扰，而且她最后在Louisville遭遇到至今还没有人知道真相的事情，给
她造成严重打击。她有理由认为这些事情有一个强力组织操纵。这都符合一个正常人的
理性思维。她的怀疑也没有明确指向性，能够肆无忌惮作这些事情的当然是强力集团。
但是她并知道这个组织是些什么人。Whether it was the CIA or some other
organization I will never know. 她能够肯定的只有一点，As long as I am alive,
these forces will never stop hounding me.这难道不是事实吗？他们对张... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 13 标 题: 基佬人渣为什么要诬蔑张纯如有“妄想症”
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 29 11:20:46 2014, 美东)
日本法西斯禽兽后代余孽威胁张纯如的事情大家都知道。有很长一段时间，他们每隔不
到一周就要对张纯如进行一次电话邮件骚扰威胁。还用电脑病毒进行黑客攻击。张纯如
不得不频繁改电话号码，搬家，保密家庭地址。
基佬人渣“食药毋宁死”，千方百计诬蔑张纯如有“妄想症”。其用心很清楚，就是企
图掩盖否认日本法西斯余孽勾结美国干爹威胁报复张纯如。
张纯如认为有一个强有力的组织一直在对她实施迫害。是有根据的，不仅是她一直以来
受到的威胁和骚扰，而且她最后在Louisville遭遇到至今还没有人知道真相的事情，给
她造成严重打击。她有理由认为这些事情有一个强力组织操纵。这都符合一个正常人的
理性思维。她的怀疑也没有明确指向性，能够肆无忌惮作这些事情的当然是强力集团。
但是她并知道这个组织是些什么人。Whether it was the CIA or some other
organization I will never know. 她能够肯定的只有一点，As lo... 阅读全帖 |
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l***x
发帖数: 684 | 15 Before Chingis Khan, there was no Mglian, technically speaking, he united
all herders and hunters living on that land, and formed a country.
After retreating from China, we Mgls still had our days until Manchurians
rise.
Even after Manchurian rise, I do not think we had worse day than you Chinese. |
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h******i
发帖数: 21077 | 16 You are SB Manchurian American.
No, you are "Manchurian Candidate", LOL |
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h******i
发帖数: 21077 | 17 No.
Why you think if you are Manchurian, it's "Majie"?
We don't know if you are Manchurian or Hun Chinese.
Dida said you're Mongolian. |
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发帖数: 1 | 18 Apr 25 1644
End of Ming Dynasty
The collapse of the Ming Dynasty was a protracted affair, its roots
beginning as early as 1600 with the emergence of the Manchu under Nurhaci.
Originally a vassal of the Ming emperors, Nurhaci in 1582 embarked on an
inter-tribal feud that escalated into a campaign to unify the Jianzhou
Jurchen tribes. Later Nurhaci announced Seven Grievances and openly
renounced the sovereignty of Ming overlordship in order to complete the
unification of those Jurchen tribes still... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 19 Is Japan's Elite Hiding A Weapons
Program Inside Nuclear Plants?
By Yoichi Shimatsu
4-6-11
Confused and often conflicting reports out of Fukushima 1 nuclear plant
cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or
miscommunication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations from Tokyo
Electric Power Company (TEPCO) and the Ministry of Economy, Trade and
Industry (METI) seem to be driven by some unspoken factor.
The smoke and mirrors at Fukushima 1 seem to obscure a steady... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 18403 | 20 【 以下文字转载自 History 讨论区 】
发信人: onetiemyshoe (onetiemyshoe), 信区: History
标 题: 日本天性就是挑拨离间
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 24 23:00:49 2014, 美东)
日本的天性就是挑拨离间。 所有的邻居都被他们的鸽子派亲近铺路，被他们的
鹰派暗杀威胁。 They funded Russian's revolution, Chinese revolution, Korea's
revolution. They assassinated (or attempted) Russia's Csarist officials,
Chinese 李鸿章， 张作霖； Korean Queen and other anti-Japanese leaders.
Look at 汪精卫's resume: in his youth, Wang was manipulated by his
peace-loving Japanese friends to assassinate Manchurian offi... 阅读全帖 |
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T**********l
发帖数: 12149 | 21 HAN CHINESE
MANCHURIAN CHINESE
MONGOLIAN CHINESE
HUI CHINESE
TIBETAN CHINESE
(KOREAN CHINESE 可以编入 MANCHURIAN CHINESE)
南方的譬如 HMONG CHINESE 以及 THAI CHINESE 基本都算作 HAN CHINESE，
VIETMAMESE CHINESE 人数太少 也可看做是 HAN CHINESE
TURKISH CHINESE 自动编入 HUI CHINESE里面，削弱其民族认同的可能性，削弱其离心
性 |
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发帖数: 632 | 22 F-86 in Korea
Last revised October 30, 1999
On June 25, 1950, the forces of North Korea invaded the South. The South
Korean army was poorly organized and badly led, and the initial North Korean
advance was quite rapid. The United Nations Security Council immediately
met in emergency session and ordered the North Koreans to cease their
invasion and withdraw from the South, but these demands were ignored. On
June 27, President Harry Truman authorized American forces to oppose the
invasion, and Gen... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 23 Is Japan's Elite Hiding A Weapons
Program Inside Nuclear Plants?
By Yoichi Shimatsu
4-6-11
Confused and often conflicting reports out of Fukushima 1 nuclear plant
cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or
miscommunication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations from Tokyo
Electric Power Company (TEPCO) and the Ministry of Economy, Trade and
Industry (METI) seem to be driven by some unspoken factor.
The smoke and mirrors at Fukushima 1 seem to obscure a steady... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 24 Is Japan Hiding A Weapons Program Inside Nuclear Plants？
By Yoichi Shimatsu
4-6-11
Confused and often conflicting reports out of Fukushima 1 nuclear plant
cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or
miscommunication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations from Tokyo
Electric Power Company (TEPCO) and the Ministry of Economy, Trade and
Industry (METI) seem to be driven by some unspoken factor.
The smoke and mirrors at Fukushima 1 seem to obscure a steady purpose... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 25 Is Japan's Elite Hiding A Weapons
Program Inside Nuclear Plants?
By Yoichi Shimatsu
4-6-11
Confused and often conflicting reports out of Fukushima 1 nuclear plant
cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or
miscommunication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations from Tokyo
Electric Power Company (TEPCO) and the Ministry of Economy, Trade and
Industry (METI) seem to be driven by some unspoken factor.
The smoke and mirrors at Fukushima 1 seem to obscure a steady... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********s
发帖数: 2136 | 26 Is Japan's Elite Hiding A Weapons
Program Inside Nuclear Plants?
By Yoichi Shimatsu
4-6-11
Confused and often conflicting reports out of Fukushima 1 nuclear plant
cannot be solely the result of tsunami-caused breakdowns, bungling or
miscommunication. Inexplicable delays and half-baked explanations from Tokyo
Electric Power Company (TEPCO) and the Ministry of Economy, Trade and
Industry (METI) seem to be driven by some unspoken factor.
The smoke and mirrors at Fukushima 1 seem to obscure a steady... 阅读全帖 |
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b***y
发帖数: 554 | 27 what's there to think about? it's the map of the Qing empire, a Manchurian
dynasty. are you Manchurian? Qing empire doesn't equal to China.
taking a different perspective, China retained more land than most other
empires from the 18th/19th century, Ottoman Empire, British empire, Persian
empire, German empire, french empire... all much weaker and smaller.
discussion about the land mass of Qing is a waste of time. why are Chinese
so obsessed about this?
望。 |
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h*d
发帖数: 19309 | 28 http://www.state.gov/outofdate/bgn/mongolia/195235.htm
Outer Mongolia was a Chinese province (1691-1911), an autonomous state under
Russian protection (1912-19), and again a Chinese province (1919-21). As
Manchu authority in China waned, and as Russia and Japan confronted each
other, Russia gave arms and diplomatic support to nationalists among the
Mongol religious leaders and nobles. The Mongols accepted Russian aid and
proclaimed their independence of Chinese rule in 1911, shortly after a
succ... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 29 恬不知耻乱断文句到你这种水平也是世界奇葩了。知道and是用来干什麽的吗？你不会
是文盲吧。这就你断的句子：“according to Douglas, and in her last year she
became paranoid about everything。。。”。
大家都来看看，这段话应该如何断句：
Among other things, the compulsively well-organized Chang began losing
credit cards every couple of weeks, according to Douglas, and in her last
year she became paranoid about everything from viruses attacking her
computer to attempts by the government to "recruit"her, a la The Manchurian
Candidate.
正确的方法是这样的：Among other things, the compulsi... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 30 Among other things, the compulsively well-organized Chang began losing
credit cards every couple of weeks, according to Douglas, and in her last
year she became paranoid about everything from viruses attacking her
computer to attempts by the government to "recruit"her, a la The Manchurian
Candidate.
把这句话完整拷贝，分析出其中的有三个事实点（信用卡。电脑病毒和”reruit”），
信用卡根据她丈夫的说辞。电脑病毒的事情她的朋友都知道。recruit仅仅出现在
statement中，大家都知道。这篇文章是作者Kerry Reid 对kamen书的述评，“she
became paranoid” 是这篇文章作者Kerry Reid 的个人观点。paranoid这样的词在对
douglas的采访... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 31 ——谨以此文作为2014年圣诞节大礼奉送给未名水世界朱令案黑帮同性恋人渣犯罪集团
Among other things, the compulsively well-organized Chang began losing
credit cards every couple of weeks, according to Douglas, and in her last
year she became paranoid about everything from viruses attacking her
computer to attempts by the government to "recruit"her, a la The Manchurian
Candidate.
把这句话完整拷贝，分析出其中的有三个事实点（信用卡。电脑病毒和”reruit”），
信用卡根据她丈夫的说辞。电脑病毒的事情她的朋友都知道。recruit仅仅出现在
statement中，大家都知道。这篇文章是作者Kerry Reid 对kamen书的述评，“she
became paranoid” 是这篇文章作者K... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 32 『别人引用的话非要一字不差就不行。』
没有要求你一字不差，但是不能捏造人家没有表达的意思。张纯如在statement里面没
有说“因为《南京大屠杀》”你就不能捏造。事实上，她母亲反复说过她自杀不是因为
《南京大屠杀》。
『另外那段话的意思是她坚信她是被CIA或其他强机构强行征召，根本不是什么推测，
你他妈英文也太烂了。』
I can never shake my belief that I was being recruited, and later persecuted
, by forces more powerful than I could have imagined. Whether it was the
CIA or some other organization I will never know. As long as I am alive,
these forces will never stop hounding me. . .
原话在这里，你给大家翻译一下：Whether it was the CIA or some other
organization I w... 阅读全帖 |
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g****z
发帖数: 2413 | 33 64. 满洲候选人 The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
哇，点开豆瓣的短评第一个竟然是小可爱童鞋的——“文革样板戏”，只给了两星。呵
呵，这个电影我倒还是蛮看得进去的，那种黑色的、惊悚悬疑的调调，跟法国佬的那个
《中国解放军占领巴黎》不是一路但都算得上特殊年代的奇葩了吧？有人把它称为“史
上比较倒霉的片子之一，公映之时赶上JFK，雪藏了十好几年。”这是真的？第一次看
Frank Sinatra 的表演，还有Laurence Harvey 也非无名之辈，可惜死得早，Angela
Lansbury 因为此片获奥斯卡提名，我曾看过她演Miss Marple 。摘几个比较认可的短
评——
电影表面上是线性叙事，但实际上大部分内容都缺乏明确的逻辑关系，需要观众额外展
开对电影的重新组合。对于不了解或过于了解电影背景及相关历史感受的观众来说，用
逻辑进行推导都是危险的，这极容易导致观众把政治元素错误理解为影片诉求，反倒是
对人物情感的直觉反应更适合作为本片的解读钥匙。
Frankenheimer這番末世氣息真是太迷人了。
该片对政治环境做了简单的抽象化处理，这使得整篇都... 阅读全帖 |
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g****z
发帖数: 2413 | 34 64. 满洲候选人 The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
哇，点开豆瓣的短评第一个竟然是小可爱童鞋的——“文革样板戏”，只给了两星。呵
呵，这个电影我倒还是蛮看得进去的，那种黑色的、惊悚悬疑的调调，跟法国佬的那个
《中国解放军占领巴黎》不是一路但都算得上特殊年代的奇葩了吧？有人把它称为“史
上比较倒霉的片子之一，公映之时赶上JFK，雪藏了十好几年。”这是真的？第一次看
Frank Sinatra 的表演，还有Laurence Harvey 也非无名之辈，可惜死得早，Angela
Lansbury 因为此片获奥斯卡提名，我曾看过她演Miss Marple 。摘几个比较认可的短
评——
电影表面上是线性叙事，但实际上大部分内容都缺乏明确的逻辑关系，需要观众额外展
开对电影的重新组合。对于不了解或过于了解电影背景及相关历史感受的观众来说，用
逻辑进行推导都是危险的，这极容易导致观众把政治元素错误理解为影片诉求，反倒是
对人物情感的直觉反应更适合作为本片的解读钥匙。
Frankenheimer這番末世氣息真是太迷人了。
该片对政治环境做了简单的抽象化处理，这使得整篇都... 阅读全帖 |
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g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 35
(ZZ) 美国好莱坞“有关朝鲜战争的则几乎空白一片”吗？
http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_1812535_1.html
本蟀同意，美国的确没有打赢朝鲜战争，而且对于美国许多人来说，朝鲜战争的确是一
场被遗忘的战争。然而，美国好莱坞并没有因此回避或者而忘记朝鲜战争。事实上，美
国好莱坞至少拍摄了十三部关于朝鲜战争的故事片。下面，根据本蟀的观看和研究资料
，将这十三部影片按发行年月顺序介绍并评论如下（凡注明“本蟀译名”的影片表示没
有正式中文译名）。
[ 转自铁血社区 http://bbs.tiexue.net/ ]
一、《钢盔》（Steel Helmet，1951年，台译《南韩血战记》）
【导演】塞缪尔·富勒（Samuel Fuller）。【主要演员】罗伯特·赫顿 （Robert
Hutton）、斯蒂夫·布罗狄 （Steve Brodie）。【剧情简介】扎克中士所在的美军一
个排都被朝鲜人民军枪决了，唯有他一个人侥幸活了下来。他在逃出敌占区的途中，一
个10岁的韩国男孩子救了他。在小男孩子的帮助下，扎克中士联系上了美军一个被打散
的步兵班。这个班里还剩下一个黑人卫... 阅读全帖 |
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g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 36 十一、《满洲候选人》（The Manchurian Candidate，1962年，港译《恐怖分子》）
【导演】约翰·弗兰肯海默（John Frankenheimer）。【主要演员】弗兰克·西纳特拉
（Frank Sinatra）、劳伦斯·哈维 （Laurence Harvey）、珍妮特·利 （Janet
Leigh）。 【剧情简介】美军上尉马科、肖上士和他的排在朝鲜战争期间一次巡逻中被
俘虏，关押在满州的战俘营，受到苏联人和中国人的共产主义洗脑教育。战争结束之后
马科上尉回到美国，升任美军情报部少校。他常常晚上做噩梦，摆脱不了战争的痛苦回
忆。他的战友肖上士回国时被当作战斗英雄，荣获国会勋章。马科慢慢理解噩梦的含义
，开始怀疑肖中士的背景。经过调查，原来肖中士相信了共产主义洗脑，已变成苏联派
到美国进行政治暗杀的杀手。
【本蟀评论】这是一部经典政治惊险片。影片将麦卡锡式冷战思维、政治讽刺、间谍悬
疑与黑色电影手法结合在一起。影片用夸张的手法，回忆美军战俘在战俘营受到的苏联
巴甫洛夫式政治洗脑教育。影片拍完之际，刚好遇上肯尼迪总统被刺身亡。为了避免政
治麻烦，这部影片推迟了20多年之后... 阅读全帖 |
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 38 Long before that war. The English and Indians* observed in the the First
Opium War that Han Chinese soldiers fled BEFORE a fight. According to the
invaders, the only brave soldiers of the Great Ching/Qing were all
Manchurians who fought hard and died. Sorry to tell you that, which you can
find in a book about Opium War that was published last year (and I read in
the book store).
* Indians from British East Indian Company. |
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 39 I do not know if Russians slaughtered indigineous people during the conquest
(if any, that would include Manchurians, who PRC considers Chinese).
However, the entire Siberia has just a quarter of a million people. Russia
is genuinely afraid of China's invasion and occupation of Siberia. |
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a**i
发帖数: 5846 | 40 AGREEMENT REGARDING JAPAN
The leaders of the three great powers - the Soviet Union, the United States
of America and Great Britain - have agreed that in two or three months after
Germany has surrendered and the war in Europe is terminated, the Soviet
Union shall enter into war against Japan on the side of the Allies on
condition that:
1. The status quo in Outer Mongolia (the Mongolian People's Republic) shall
be preserved.
2. The former rights of Russia violated by the treacherous attack of Japa... 阅读全帖 |
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b****r
发帖数: 2555 | 41 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
dragontiger (*WS北美潜伏哥*) 于 (Mon Aug 1 12:49:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
当年东北战场，国民党为什么不打过松花江？为什么孙立人不直接指挥新一军？
难道老蒋没看出来丢了东北就要亡国？钢开始不是打的林彪跑了吗？
如果让孙立人直接指挥王牌新一军，发动群众，搞蚕食，搞掉gcd占领的哈尔滨，哪里
会有四下江南？情况会是另一样的。
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mz2015 (2015) 于 (Mon Aug 1 12:56:45 2011, 美东) 提到:
被那个天真的马歇尔逼着停战的。
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pingberlin (ping) 于 (Mon Aug 1 13:05:51 2011, 美东) 提到:
让现代白起发动群众？广州老百姓情绪很稳定
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b****r
发帖数: 2555 | 42 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
Communipig (共产猪) 于 (Tue Sep 27 09:13:11 2011, 美东) 提到:
作者：钱文军
（1）说句老实话，我一贯地不愿意去写朝鲜战争中具体的战例。因为实在写不下去。
几十万血肉之躯，哪一个都是爹妈一把屎一把尿拉扯大的，可怜天下父母心，又有哪一
个不被爹妈寄托了无限的希望？结果，枪声一响，爹娘白养，都躺在朝鲜冰冷的泥土里
，还被他们用血肉之躯保住的金日成掘了一次墓。俺自己的两位堂兄就是志愿军战士，
一个舅舅在志愿军空军，另一个舅舅也从朝鲜负伤归来，虽然他们都没有葬身朝鲜，但
也从他们的口述中知道曾经的惨烈。既然如今有那么些躺着说话腰不疼的家伙喋喋不休
，没完没了地意淫，只好说几句。
志愿军在朝鲜，包围美军一个团以上兵力的战例只有两次，第一次是在第二次战役中长
津湖之战（美韩方称为下碣隅里之战）；另一次是第四次战役第一阶段砥平里之战（我
方亦称横城反击战）。而我们的文字宣传资料包括彭德怀的谈话，都说，志愿军歼灭美
军一个整团的惟一战例就是长津湖作战，且美军第7师第31... 阅读全帖 |
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a**********s
发帖数: 1075 | 43 wiki說的
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Nerchinsk
中国称此条约为“清朝做了让步的平等条约”，俄罗斯（包括苏联时期）则称此条约为“不平等条约”，并声称俄罗斯在《瑷珲条约》中收复了在《尼布楚条约》中被中国人强占的失地。[1]。
The language used was Latin, the translators being, for the Russians, a Pole named Andrei Bielobocki and for the Chinese the Jesuits Jean-Francois Gerbillon and Thomas Pereira. To avoid problems of precedence, tents were erected side by side so that neither side would be seen as visiting the other. G.P. March remarks that there were no mandarins with them... 阅读全帖 |
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m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 44 Oh, man, even if it were true, it can't 从文化层面阉割中华民族，不战而胜.
For example, Xiongnu, Turk, Mongolian and Manchurian all contribute to the
Chinese civilization, we are not 阉割'd in any way by these facts, right? |
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s******s
发帖数: 57 | 45 obviously it's not. the reality is that until Ming dynasty Chinese are not
able to draw a map, even roughly.
I remember a map of territoty of Ming dynasty. it is a sphere.
The Manchurians as well as chinese, simply don't know how large the outer
Manchuria is. |
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s******s
发帖数: 57 | 46 obviously it's not. the reality is that until Ming dynasty Chinese are not
able to draw a map, even roughly.
I remember a map of territoty of Ming dynasty. it is a sphere.
The Manchurians as well as chinese, simply don't know how large the outer
Manchuria is. |
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g********y
发帖数: 236 | 47 In 甲午战争, Japanese did not consider himself with war with Chinese, but
only with Manchus. Japanese consider they are helping Chinese to get rid of
Manchus. In fact, as we all know, Japan supported many Chinese, such as 康有
为，孙中山, some still tried to teach and reform Manchus, some simply do not
want to teach Manchus anymore and want to get rid of them, as we see in “
百日维新”and later “驱除鞑虏”。
Japan did not have much problem with core Chinese people until his full
attack at Nanjing. When Japan occupied... 阅读全帖 |
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m*******3
发帖数: 1275 | 48 你觉得Manchurian会甘心做你们的二等Chinese吗？ 虽然我们满洲人现在是你们的囚徒
，但绝不会成为你们中国人的奴隶。就算囚禁了我们的躯体，也永远没法囚禁我们的灵
魂。 |
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l********r
发帖数: 123 | 49 （轉自人人網）
現在壹些中國人，為了把成吉思汗吹成中國人，已經到了令人發指的地步。壹開始在教
科書上吹，鬧成了國際笑柄。後來又弄出了所謂“蒙古人起源於中國”“外蒙人是內蒙
人奴隸”的可笑謬論。而最近網絡上出現了壹段視頻，內容居然是上海復旦大學生命科
學學院教授李輝通過基因檢測斷定成吉思汗是的父系是漢人，而且還號稱在國際上發表
了相關論文。然後筆者就用英文搜索李輝對外發表的這篇論文，於是有趣的東西出現了。
以下就是上海復旦大學復旦大學生命科學學院教授王傳超和李輝在國際上對外發表的論
文中提及成吉思汗的部分：
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Inferring human history in East Asia from Y chromosomes
Chuan-Chao Wang and Hui Li*
Haplogroup O-M175 is the largest haplogroup in East Asia, comprising
roughly 75% of the Chinese and more than half of the Japanese populat... 阅读全帖 |
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h******i
发帖数: 21077 | 50 You Netherlands Manchurian! |
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