N*********r 发帖数: 1190 | 1 are you sure?
NFA/classIII requires GC or citizenship. |
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w*********p 发帖数: 7230 | 2 不信你自己去NFA Branch问好了
不过VA不行,不是绿卡公民什么都不行,
马里兰有没有绿卡是不是公民没区别(除了不能买machine gun,反正也买不起) |
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N*********r 发帖数: 1190 | 3 foldable stock 可不算, class3/NFA主要指silencer 和 fullauto, 这federal law
和州不该有关系,还是哪个枪老板说吧 |
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H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 4 消音器和短步枪,
和机枪不都是属于NFA范围么
学生签证、工作签证不可能以个人名义买得到的
不管哪个州
你注册个公司去买可能是另一种情况了 |
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w*********p 发帖数: 7230 | 5 卖枪的知道个鸡吧,卖枪的说非公民不许买的多着去了
我什么时候说过折叠枪托是nfa了?允许不允许当然和州有关,MD不允许非公民full
auto,其他没要求,找atterny general office管firearms的mark bowen去问,
VA我记得我看过法律,sbr,suppressor一律不许非移民,记错了不负责,不过VA就一垃圾州
law |
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w*********p 发帖数: 7230 | 6 请注明出处,如果你看到有法律要求不可以,请贴出链接,反正我是没找到,否则不要乱说
另外你可以给NFA Branch Office @ Martinsburg, WV打电话去确认,当年好像给我回电话的叫Doan Smith,我没确认过敢象你一样张嘴就说么?
至于state law,MD可以找Mark Bowen确认,理论上atterny general不应该给你意见,不过他每次都回答问题
以下是MD atterny general关于state law的回信,ATF我只有电话联系,没有书面的联系
Dear Sir or Madam,
I confirmed with the Licensing Division of the Maryland State Police, which oversees the sale of firearms in Maryland , that Maryland law does not regulate the sale suppressors. If the weapon is legal to purchase under federal law... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********p 发帖数: 7230 | 7 基本上non-immigrant搞这个的人=0,所以没人知道,
当年我们这里的dealer说只要ATF说可以就可以,我就打电话给ATF NFA Branch Office
了,然后他们回电话说他们以前基本没人问这个问题,他们做了research没问题,而且
态度很好,
不过真的要买枪店说ATF要写纸上让我给他们看,我觉得让先打电话拿到说可以的agent
的名字,再让枪店打电话给ATF找这个人应该也没问题,只要你有兴趣不闲烦,问题应
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f*********n 发帖数: 11154 | 8 如果这个kit是真货,自己搞定以后安装在Glock上,算是class III?
http://www.survivalops.com/shop-2/glock-full-auto-select-fire-k
These kits are 80% complete so they can be sold to anyone. That way if you
are close to getting your SOT you can prepare for your demo firearms.
The kit comes with full dimensions and instructions of how to finish the kit
and install it. ALL NFA RULES APPLY! Your kit will also come with the
paperwork to LEGALLY finish your kit! Very simple, and easy. No
specialized tools required. This ... 阅读全帖 |
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j***n 发帖数: 3786 | 9 if it is a fake silencer, it makes the total barrel length over 16" to make it a non-NFA weapon. |
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q**u 发帖数: 12289 | 10 不过他那个已经是全自动,应该不受枪管长度限制了。而且短UZI枪管市场上一堆一堆
的,枪主如果想换很容易就换了。所以我估计是出于安全考虑吧,毕竟是靶场枪,谁不
小心把自己手指头打掉了枪主还得吃官司。
make it a non-NFA weapon. |
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b*****e 发帖数: 5133 | 11 18和16拿在手上比差别不大
14.5和16拿在手上比差别也不大
14.5和18拿在手上比差别很大
考虑16的可以考虑18
18可以可靠的上rifle length gas system(RLFS),17也可以,但17基本全是定制的,
拿18或20的管子锯短些,17现货一般没得买。18上的gas system比较多了些,有mid
length, intermediate length和rifle length,从后坐舒适性还有零件磨损性来讲,
rifle length最好,但市场上不是很多见,BCM(Bravo Company Mfg)的18 upper都是
rifle length,质量非常高,可以看看。
18的初速比16高一些,存速也大,可以比较有效对付较远目标,特别是配合重些弹头使
用(如77gr OTM的Mk 262子弹)。Navy的Mk12 SPR就是这个用途。近战,看家,一两百码
打猎,SHTF等不一定需要18,其实16的AR对付三四百码之外的目标镜子配好了也可以.
18的份量要重些,可以考虑不用四面全长导轨,而是像Mk12上碳素纤维护木加3/6/9短
导轨。
如果觉得18... 阅读全帖 |
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b**********y 发帖数: 7371 | 12 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 问SBR Looks Negative -
"
Utilizing the receiver of an existing rifle for the purposes of
manufacturing a handgun would constitute the making of a firearm as
defined above. Individuals desiring to make such a firearm must first
submit an ATF Form 1, Application To Make And Register a Firearm and
pay the applicable $200 making tax.
If an individual were to obtain a rifle type receiver that had not
previously been utilized in the assembly of a rifle, a handgun could be
made and not be subject to the prov... 阅读全帖 |
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f*********n 发帖数: 11154 | 13 http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/06/franklin-armory-x
Franklin Armory is producing a weird AR-15 they call the XO-26. It is
essentially a Short Barreled Rifle with a vertical foregrip and no stock.
What is especially interesting is that the BATFE don't consider it a SBR (
Short Barreled Rifle) or a AOW (All Other Weapon) therefore is needs no
special NFA paperwork to purchase and own. If it was classified as a pistol,
like all other short barreled pistol-type AR-15s, using a forward ve... 阅读全帖 |
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b**********y 发帖数: 7371 | 14 这意味着所有的大于等于10.5寸的UPPER加上手枪LOWER, 都能上VFG了?
好消息啊
has-franklin-hacked-the-nfa/
content/uploads/2011/10/xo_26b_800x_235-tm-tfb.jpg
stock.
SBR (
no
pistol,
vertical
this |
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f********t 发帖数: 4574 | 15 这个我喜欢,charging handle这样的半自动都可以,ar那样的好像不行 |
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m********n 发帖数: 802 | 16 我私下问过了,
再次谢谢,
gas system是导气管长度不同。carbine length gas system原先是给11英寸短管Colt
AR
设计的并保留到14.5英寸枪管的M4上了,但mid-length gas system在14.5枪管上也完
全可以
使用,在16英寸枪管上更是没有问题。carbine length gas system因为导气管短,压
力大,
零件磨损高,后坐更强烈。mid-length则有效解决了这些问题。
如果你不买NFA限制的短管枪(枪管总厂小于16英寸的),mid-length是更好的选择。 |
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H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 17 对了,这里应该有一些人建了trust吧?
去搜"living trust" + "子女"能看到不少相关讨论和建议。
和本帖相关之处在于,消音器短步枪机枪这些nfa家伙,是可以用trust名义购买的……
据我了解一些公民要买这些东西也是用trust名义,并不放在自己个人名下。
具体步骤和利弊我还在学习中。 |
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k*******n 发帖数: 5546 | 18
non NFA 14.5+订死的拆不下来的muzzel brake / flash hider, 反正凑购16寸
钉死的枪口装置算枪管的一部分 |
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b*****e 发帖数: 5133 | 21 其它2011要靠边站了,呵呵。
不过扣一下扳机同时发射两发根据NFA属于机枪了:
Machine guns—this includes any firearm which can fire more than 1 cartridge
per trigger pull. |
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h*********r 发帖数: 1943 | 22 今天和本地的CIII FFL聊天,把NFA的申请文件拿出来仔细研究了一遍流程,发现在问
哪国公民这一栏下面就是问你是不是移民并且问你的Alien#是什么。在程序上就和非公
民买枪一样,当然批不批是ATF的事情。
另外发现全自动和SBR(?)的程序费只要5块钱而不是消音器的200块,大概从1936年
到现在就没变过 |
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h*********r 发帖数: 1943 | 23 准确的说是理论上可以申请注册购买NFA的Class III item,申请三级照那是申请拥有
Class III FFL的经营执照,买和卖完全不是一个概念 |
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H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 24 大家都习惯的说法是trunk gun,扔后厢为了万一之备
最大特点要皮实可靠,并且要在里面咣荡不心疼。
所以一般都是霰弹枪或者卡宾担负这任务。
我这里说“车内枪”,主要原因是德州城堡法涵盖车辆。
所以和相当多地方不同的是,在德州就算没有携枪证,也可以在人伸手可及的地方隐蔽
放置火器——当然必须是隐蔽存放。
但长枪显然不适合放车内。
如果弄个SBR或者SBS……猴子屯毕竟还不是摩加迪沙啊没必要那么夸张吧
鉴于车窗被砸的可能性远远高于住宅被闯入
这种车内枪失窃概率也很大……
所以我在想,如果要搞一支的话,价格低廉肯定也是重点考虑因素。
(这就更排除NFA类型的东西了)
再加上安全性
再加上可靠
什么比较合适呢?
和某老大聊天,发现我一直忽视了这么一位:
话说——
百元出头(以前便宜的时候没下手,唉)
左轮的安全性
著名的over-engineering
子弹不便宜但和大部分左轮子弹比也没什么
威力比.38 spl和.380 ACP强不少,
略强于.32 Mag,略弱于.38 spl +P
弱点:
双动扳机力……而且这东西真要万一用到了,左轮打单动显然很不利
全金属的,怕锈 |
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O**e 发帖数: 246 | 25 Suppressors are NFA items. Better learn the law before buying. |
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j***n 发帖数: 3786 | 26 SBR是注册以后才能拥有,不能说你先弄一支,然后再去申请。ATF批准以后你要在
receiver上刻上自己的名字和地址。也是因为这个,很多人宁愿申请一个NFA Trust,
然后把Class 3 Weapon都放在Trust下面。这样的话,你就不用把你的大名刻在武器上
了,刻Trust的名字和注册地址就好。
AR pistol当手枪打的话,太重。当rifel的话,太短。控制不好,我见过最惨的是
buffer tube打到嘴 |
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d********e 发帖数: 2221 | 28 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - SBR选择 你要是form没有批准家里又有non-NFA AR的话,不能合法买10.5的upper吧。 |
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d********e 发帖数: 2221 | 29 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - SBR选择 we should be careful. What i heard is that you cannot get a short upper
with abf approval if you have a non-nfa lower. it is not worth going to
jail for this. |
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S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 30 还不知道是不是合法的NFA武器呢。 非法的全自动武器用来作案不难看到。 |
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j*****g 发帖数: 223 | 31 adam arms 还有10.5”的piston upper. 平衡没话说, 就是俺没法搞到NFA stamp.
ld |
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d********e 发帖数: 2221 | 32 In my state, getting an SBR is possible but I chose a bullpup (e.g., FNH
fs2000) over an AR-15-based SBR because I avoided the NFA hassles and tax,
got the benefit of short overall length, long barrel and good weight balance.
10.5" barrel is a bit too short for .223 rounds.
by the way, fs2000 is also a piston gun. |
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j*****g 发帖数: 223 | 33 adam arms 还有10.5”的piston upper. 平衡没话说, 就是俺没法搞到NFA stamp.
ld |
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d********e 发帖数: 2221 | 34 In my state, getting an SBR is possible but I chose a bullpup (e.g., FNH
fs2000) over an AR-15-based SBR because I avoided the NFA hassles and tax,
got the benefit of short overall length, long barrel and good weight balance.
10.5" barrel is a bit too short for .223 rounds.
by the way, fs2000 is also a piston gun. |
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H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 37 自己把那个制退器拆下来
立马就算NFA,触犯联邦法 |
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S**********s 发帖数: 4534 | 38 anything that "muffle" your muzzle blast is considered a suppressor, which
is an NFA regulated item which requires rather simple/complicated paperwork
based on your state law.
You won't be deaf unless you put your ear next to the muzzle, then you maybe
deaf in one year. Some short term ringing maybe, mostly reversible, but
death is not reversible.
hearing conservation for military was practically non-existence until the
70s. Before you have to be an artillery man or something similar to wear one... 阅读全帖 |
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H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 39 小心啊
这个东西很严肃的。
搜一下
"intent to build" + legal + nfa
最省事的“预备万一”办法是再弄一支完整的AR步枪 |
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l******e 发帖数: 956 | 41 From Internet
"18.5" is the accepted standard, the federal limit is 18". Remember Randy
Weaver of Ruby Ridge got in trouble for trimming shotgun barrels just a bit
tooo much. 1/10th of an inch under 18" will get you federal jail time. Why
tempt fate and the ATF guy screwing up his measuring tape... stick with 18.5
".
With a Class III NFA license you can get a short barreled shotgun (14") but
it's a major pain in the butt for very little actual gain."
The same law (National Firearms Act of 1934) ... 阅读全帖 |
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h*********r 发帖数: 1943 | 46 Pay only during transfer, SBR and Suppressor $200, Machine guns $5.
Then you'll be good, no more tax stamp fee needed. Buyer from you also will
pay once when he/she bought it. |
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p**********r 发帖数: 1693 | 47 机枪$5 ?好便宜啊
will
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.7 |
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b*****e 发帖数: 5133 | 48 赶紧的,别浪费人才了,你也开店吧,申请个type 7 FFL,即能造,又能卖的,NFA
item也成。
lower
WOA |
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H****r 发帖数: 16240 | 49 办trust是要找律师,掏几百块钱的
先咨询一下他们? |
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