E********t
发帖数: 4091 | 1 UK去年在首发中锋ACL断裂前只输六场
最后21胜-11负的战绩也算可以
NIT首轮出局也比拿个NIT冠军强 |
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B****2
发帖数: 8892 | 2 长学问。
This isn’t the first time Oregon and Ohio State have met in a history-
making playoff.
Back in 1939, more than 75 years before Monday night’s first-ever football
playoff, the Ducks beat the Bucks, 46-33, in the championship game of the
first NCAA basketball tournament. FDR was President, Europe was on the verge
of WWII and Lou Gehrig made his farewell speech in 1939.
Take a look at a picture from that game, notice the tight shorts, sneakers,
knee pads, and especially the wooden backboard – ... 阅读全帖 |
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d****n
发帖数: 611 | 3 明显是一座比赛夫更choke：
从03-04赛季到现在，那一年赛夫从UIUC投奔KU，看看同期统计：
赛夫：全勤跳舞，1冠1亚,0个FF,4个E8,2个S16,3次32强，2次死在第一轮．
一座：全勤跳舞，0冠1亚,3个FF,1个E8,3个S16,1次32强，4次死在第一轮．
有些球迷不服气，那就比较一座刚到MSU前13年：
赛夫：全勤跳舞，1冠1亚,0个FF,4个E8,2个S16,3次32强，2次死在第一轮．
一座: 打两年NIT,1冠0亚,3个FF,1个E8,2个S16,1次32强，3次死在第一轮.
而且一座带领MSU的两次NIT之旅，也是二轮游寒酸收场。
同期战绩比较：全国冠军要比FF值钱得多，而且IZZO带领MSU死在第一轮的次数实在太
多了．
你看看那年的阵容，再加上侥幸，chalmers大心脏，我没看出来他战术有啥过人之处 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 how can one stat be two names? It is either standard nit or slightly looser
.. no? ^_^ which is which? unless you are telling me standard nit=slightly looser? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 A while back I developed a model for player development that I call Stages
Of A TAG. I think most players go through a series of stages or realizations
about no-limit hold’em as they improve their games from rank beginners to
decent tight-aggressive (TAG) players and beyond.
I think these stages are worth thinking about because they can help you do a
couple of things:
Realize approximately where you stand in your development, and therefore
what concepts you have still to master.
Understand how t... 阅读全帖 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 6 He posted this a long time ago. Maybe rewrite it for magazine.
This is the complete list
1. Hrmm, this K5s looks kinda good
2. I will never play anything but these 18 hands under any circumstances
3. I need to fold postflop if I don't hit a hand. And I need to fold to
pressure if I don't have a great hand.
4. Maybe I can loosen up a little bit in position. I can play more hands
because I know how to fold them postflop.
5. I need to bet my good hands hard so I can get value for them.
*** This is ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 7 i dont think it has do with style, rather it is a personality. We are who
we are.
i will never comfortable playing lag style and use my whole stack bluff with
air like tom dwan.
you can be a nit and still win money. my results are dramatically improved
when i cut down my vpip and pfr range in half.
An advantage being a nit is when you go aggressive to a pot, your bluff
almost always get a pass. ppl look at your 12/10 and 55 w$sd, they always
give u respect and let you get away with your bluff. ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 8 For your information, the first two tables I played were full of nit(NL 2/5)
. Everyone don't even limp, they just fold around to bb and chop the blinds.
Pathetic! (yeah, I am one of them).
I kept asking for seat change until I find this loose table. They asked
every player played for 2-5-10, meaning other than 2/5 blinds, UTG has to
put 10 dollars blind raise (not straddle) just spice up the action.
Overall, I still think a lot of nit playing at 2/5, fish are few.
1/2 table probably different. ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 folding KK at NL400 preflop? I don't think you can ever do that UNLESS you have specific read. Even folding AK is unacceptable sometimes~ My approach is get it in AK KK AA most of the time. You could only fold these preflop when you have a specific read which should not be too often (like a total nit, even a total nit spazz out sometimes) or the stack is deep like 200bb or more. Obviously position matters too. you 3 bet utg he goes 4 bet is a lot different from you 3 bet bb vs button/sb and h... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 10 If I remember correctly, windstormm started by playing tight as well. I
think his EV was close to 12/8 or sth like that, correct me if I am wrong,
windstorm.
I think he plays a lot more aggressive because he was winning a lot of money
and on one hand, give him a lot of confidence to make moves, and the other,
like Fryking says, a big bankroll backs him up and he can withstand any
kind of downswing without effect his mood too much. So it is more money,
more confidence, more confidence result in m... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 then you must hate this too.. lol... I thought i was a nit.. you are the
real nit here~
===============
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
SB: $100.00
BB: $100.00
UTG: $102.20
UTG+1: $100.00
UTG+2: $216.60
MP1: $92.45
MP2: $97.15
Hero (CO): $173.60
BTN: $470.15
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with Kh Js
4 folds, MP2 raises to $2, Hero raises to $8, 4 folds
Final Pot: $5.50
Hero wins $5.50 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 trivial fold. especially MP2 is kind of a nit. I am always wondering how
nits get paid off from time to time. when you have very narrow 4 bet range
and make it this big, you are never getting paid off.. With HUD, your
preflop tendency is very clear to people who pay attention. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 13 my vpip is one of lowest in Eletro, but I kept got 3 bet by hands like AK,
AQ , even like QT. and when I shoved , they almost never fold AK. Maybe they
think my late pos range are quite wild.( I open any pair, 67s+, AT+, KJ+,
JTs+ in late pos) I got 4 bet quite often by AK or QQ. Only some reg use
these stat. Most player do not even have tracking software. If you play
Electro, you will find out most ppl play AK like AA. Folding KK just lost
too much equality. But I still play QQ like a drawin... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 nits can win $$ at small stake as well. Just ask player. He is a nit at
NL400 rush.. Your hands are faced up against regs but there are enough spew
reg and fish to pay you off. So if you know what you are doing, you should
still be able to win. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 With such strong holding, it actually appeared that I was the only one interested in the pot on the flop.. wtf..
=================
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB 9 handed
SB ($162.40)
BB ($194.45)
UTG ($107.90)
UTG+1 ($104.65)
MP1 ($103.75)
Hero (MP2) ($154.10)
MP3 ($105.10)
CO ($100)
Button ($140.25)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6c, 6s
UTG bets $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $3, 4 folds, BB calls $2
Flop: ($9.50) 4d, 8s, 9c (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5, UTG calls $5
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 16 it's a miracle you win so much from this game!
interested in the pot on the flop.. wtf.. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 靠，别提了，几个大点的pot全栽了，read全对，结果全错，让同一个reg但是明显在
tilt胡打的给sucked out。
AJs limped UTG, he directly shoved low 50BB or so (he did this a few times
already), another short guy called and was all-in too. i never limp called
with AJs in the spot before but was so natural this time. YES, he got TJo
and the other guy 89o. he sucked me with a T, and the other guy hit river
gutshot str8.
TT 4 bet shoved pre against him, he snap called with 66 (80BB), i rivered
str8 and he hit 4 card flush with 6h, damn. the oth... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 19 yeah. sometime you do not only adjust to whole table, you need to adjust to
specific opponent, put a lot of pressure on nit(avoid playing big pot with
nit w/o strong hand same time) and play a trapping game against manic.
lots of time the same person can go from on side to the other side
quickly. usually when ppl are losing , they may start to play loose and you
can play a trap game back. And when a manic is winning , he may be tighten
up then you should avoid him.
table, |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 20 你们这些不知足的人啊。纽约市去所有的赌场都要 2 个半小时以上单程的距离，如果
有赌场 1 个小时左右就能到，真的笑也笑死了。
就是来回 5 个小时，无数赌巴都每天爆满，大批的大伯大妈们坚持每天往返，为的就
是赌场发的泥码可以换得 15-20 快的利润，一个月上班 30 天换取 600 元的生活费。
比比人家，你们真是生活在蜜糖里啊。
以扑克维生的话，理论上是做的到的，实际执行，最需要还是纪律性，很严格的 bank
roll management。我自量现在还做不到，可能永远也做不到，所以只能在打牌为消遣
的层次。这个月打了 3 天 2/5，前两次利润 > 3k, 最后一次输了超过一半回去。靠扑
克维生我就只能顿顿吃酱菜了，实际上，每个月的盈利最多也就抵伙食费而已。
言归正传吧，谈谈我对 pot control 的在 small stake 的应用上的理解和经验：
1. Stake 越高，筹码越深，Pot Control 就越重要。LZ MM 还没有体会到它的重要性
，可能跟 NL 1/2 game 本身比较 soft，weak player 比较多有关。好多 weak player
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 21 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session，屁股没挪，桌上不时的有super donk
表演，但是全程card dead，大约一小时玩个3到4手牌，开始high cards lead/cbet总
有人raise，后我索性NIT了，因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌，好不容易aces with 5 ways
preflop shove，被tt set了，再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT，直到最后丢完几个buyin，黯
然回家。
求建议。。。。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 22 这周末又去foxwoods玩了12小时的一个session，屁股没挪，桌上不时的有super donk
表演，但是全程card dead，大约一小时玩个3到4手牌，开始high cards lead/cbet总
有人raise，后我索性NIT了，因为有donk和cs舍不得换桌，好不容易aces with 5 ways
preflop shove，被tt set了，再然后哭丧着脸继续NIT，直到最后丢完几个buyin，黯
然回家。
求建议。。。。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 Most poker players think like losers. I know this because most poker players
tell me in excruciating detail how they think about the game. Whether I
like it or not, I’m going to hear seat three’s lesson on why raising with
pocket tens is a dumb idea. And then I’m going to hear how lucky I was to
spike the ten on the river
Thinking like a loser is sure to keep you losing. Why? Because it means you
are focused on the wrong things, and this poor focus will prevent you from
improving. Here are some ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 rush is a weird creature. You can hide behind your nit stats, wait for action from fish or people on tilt and still make a decent profit. I still remember you posted on that rush reg thread from ssnl forum and one of the best NL400 regs i know of made fun of your nit image (2+2 id Gary Neville? i think he is from HongKong).. I thought that was really funny.. lol. Really can't expect you get any action from the good regs from NL400. but hey, there is nothing wrong with that. Our majority of pr... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论一手牌 这种事你别说还真有。
上周一个桌子上新来的亚洲小伙，一看就是比较nit的那种，不是俺喜欢的对象。而且
他一个朋友也坐在一桌上，搞得俺很不舒服。
小伙子开始打得还行，当然运气也正，KK一路狠，QJx5的面，turn上跟别人(也是偏nit
的)reshove，人家是QJ，小伙子river pair 5，suck out...
后来就一直很闷，心不在焉的样子，赢了不多就走了。
他朋友才说这哥们儿其实以前都是玩5/10的，2/5都基本没怎么玩过。结果前几个礼拜
一把牌输了16K，据说是one outer(set over set)，整废了，看来bankroll也比较浅
的那种。
就是玩这1/2的，都是他朋友借给他的钱。
4k, 我和她说, "我今天输了4k 真金, 但赢了2k G-bucks, 我觉得这样长期我肯定赢钱
", 她肯定觉得我sb, 下次不让我去了. lol.. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 26 too bad i cant type Chinese in office
But it is just the same experience that everyone met when learning poker, i'
d love to share some experience with you.
I think it is too shallow to categorize players by loose or tight. We need
get more information from others to play this uncompleted- information game
to help us win the money.
e.g. the one you mentioned, he constantly pushes ppl by preflop raise and
cbet on flop, do you know whether he just shutdown after ppl called his flop
. Or he constan... 阅读全帖 |
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F**S
发帖数: 44 | 27
i'
game
flop
谢谢很好的文章，如果要分类，我就真的是Nit的人，话没错，nit的人不会和钱过不去
，用最少的筹码博最大的受益。。
一般碰到aggressive的又玩的好的选手，我现在都会被迫fold掉一些中下段的牌，然后
仔细观察对手拿什么样的牌bet的range，相信我这个真的很有用，15bet和25bet有时候
真的可以体现出一些信息出来，接下来用较少的筹码来试验自己的判断的正确性。我觉
得这是比较可取的。
幸运的是牌桌上总会有比我还鱼儿的鱼儿，这才是我们赚钱的来源，虽然慢，但是胜在
稳定。。。你只要做的就是每小时$30的速度入账就可以交代了。。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 28 the True Nit occasionally play suited-connectors and AX with position only,
so you are not a Nit.
You are tight, but somehow a little bit weak, which is easy to be exploited.
Those live LaoYeYe like to bet 15, 25, which is a leak. You can only use the
same bet to disguise themselves, but it is not good to follow the pattern
without thinking.
Once MM LaoShi mentioned, if you can not read ppl well, the only way to make
money is to tight up your own range, which is very true.
每小时$30的速度入账 is very ha... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 29 而且我也是汇报事实，两个NIT都输钱。而且我的结论是光NIT不行，得关键时候凶猛才
能最终赢钱。当然，同不同意那是你自己的事，我只是陈述的我的想法和总结。 |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 30 某天在本地casino玩2/5NL，落座后发现action极大，几乎人人都有差不多800多chip，
基本上到turn bet时pot就很大。我的300buy-in让我不免有点惭愧。。幸好牌还不错，
除了一把turn baby flush被人river到 boat外不得不re-buy 400，加上不时bluff, 差
不多2个小时我就搞到了1640多，最爽的是上次在我call 420后all-in把我吓走的老印
两次被我清空后主动换桌。这时换过来一个年轻亚裔和白人老头，估计都是有钱的主，
落座后两人对扛把本来就已经不错的action上升到我从没见过的高度。基本上每把牌两
人preflop都raise到50-100，然后flop 100, turn 200/all-in的打法，往往river上亮
牌的这两，一个是middle pair, 一个是top pair with bottom kicker!!!!!没多久
regs就看清了这两条不多见的大肥鱼，一有点牌就开始pre-flop raise 100以上，那两
个人只要有ace或者draw基本一路跟到底。这可是俺从来没见过的场面。。。。... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 31 np,bro, just my 2 cents
On the flop, leading or check/raising are both fine to me. I slightly
prefer leading half pot there if you have been playing aggro. check/raising
seems too strong to thinking player since you would not normally play
overpair this way. On the turn, against the reg with nit image and hero's
aggro image, I prefer check/raised all in or open shove to get max value.
Slightly prefer open shove.
the pot is already big and he would very likely pay you off with a ... 阅读全帖 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 32 终于有人承认我是nit了！！！！！ dch，你看，mm老师都说我是nit，下次一定要fold
给我的raise，show some respect
again.... |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 33 that is a normal swing for a lag.
interesting, I thought poker pesonality should be consistent with stock
maket personality, like it am a nit in poker and I am a nit picking stock
too .
how can you still playing nl 1/2? you should at least be playing at 5/10
level based on your risk tolerance in stock market, hehe. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34 就是绝对不能fold. 他玩的牌多更说明他有2pair 的可能大。 这里你是third nuts.
比你大的只有77 99. 他是KK 的可能都很小。 call and payoff. 如果你是nit image
, reraise 就去算了。 这牌面对于一个nit，bottom set 已经是bottom range 了，
还不如用bottom set 来protect 你的turn call raise range. 让他Value town
himself.
还有， 如果river 你输了， show 个3, 和他说， bottom pair 放不下， 为后面造个
鱼的形象可以得利。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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L**o
发帖数: 353 | 35 今天真是个好天气，从上桌之后筹码一直在上涨。4号位被我干走了，来个一个亚洲guy
，真够nit的，连续fold了3圈，年纪不算老啊，难道只play KK+?
我在SB with KhQh,前面有人raise 8刀，一个中国老太太进来了，我也call。flop
KsTh2s,我先仍进去20，老太太全进86，我call，怕什么。turn 8s, river Qs。恩，
two pair,我先亮牌，上次在小盲全进，后面的人先亮，我差点muck了的我的winning
hand，幸好我反应快，在dealer摸到我的牌之前我又拿回来了，为此我后来还给
dealer5刀小费，以后不能犯这种错误了。老太太目无表情，应该有flush吧，为什么不
亮牌呢？难道好运气在继续？终于老太太拿起牌，给旁边的人看，我猜我赢了，bingo.
老太太亮了AsTs。fuck。亚洲guy小声对我说a little bit slow---roll.
fuck,郁闷。亚洲guy又说跟我一样的牌，在utg直接仍了，真是个nit。（未完，待续）
哈哈 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 36 No fun playing against guys better than you. It is fun though to watch their
training video or hand analysis video and learn from them. That is two
different things.
To playing guys always know where they at, or super nit, is more painful
than losing to a lucky fish. Against fish, you know you eventually gonna get
it back. Against good players or nit, not so much. Eventually, the fun of
winning meaningful money take over everything.
Personally, my biggest happiness will be fish shoving 100bb+ on... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 37 No fun playing against guys better than you. It is fun though to watch their
training video or hand analysis video and learn from them. That is two
different things.
To playing guys always know where they at, or super nit, is more painful
than losing to a lucky fish. Against fish, you know you eventually gonna get
it back. Against good players or nit, not so much. Eventually, the fun of
winning meaningful money take over everything.
Personally, my biggest happiness will be fish shoving 100bb+ on... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 what do you wanna see?
greg? his pics are everywhere, actually he looks a little slimmer than on TV.
me? fat dude, no value.
he and me? oh, priceless and cannot share.
after shaking hands with him, my confidence in poker skyrocketed. the next
hand, i called down a reg LAG's 3 barrels:
preflop, a nit bets $12 from MP, loose table, 2 callers, i call with J9o on
BTN, LAG calls from BB.
flop: JT4 rainbow, LAG donk bets $20, weak nit snap folds (he's afraid of
any confrontations, weak tight), a new g... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 what do you wanna see?
greg? his pics are everywhere, actually he looks a little slimmer than on TV.
me? fat dude, no value.
he and me? oh, priceless and cannot share.
after shaking hands with him, my confidence in poker skyrocketed. the next
hand, i called down a reg LAG's 3 barrels:
preflop, a nit bets $12 from MP, loose table, 2 callers, i call with J9o on
BTN, LAG calls from BB.
flop: JT4 rainbow, LAG donk bets $20, weak nit snap folds (he's afraid of
any confrontations, weak tight), a new g... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 40 New house 那个10J 2 pair, river fold 太神奇了。 JC tran 在他眼里就是肯定就
是一个老nit， river 从不bluff而且value range 极小。 否则怎么也丢不到呀， 那
个flop board 还是draw 比较 heavy 的， JC 应该会float 很多牌， 到river 没有
show down value。。 他这种fold face up, 感觉就在扇JC 这个nit 的耳光哈， 而且
还扇对了。。。lol。。。
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 41
mm老湿说对了前半段，对手其实已经adjust了，但是是adjust到nit/trapping side，
毕竟来回几个M的chips对桌上的每个人来说都是相当大的价值。可以想象，宁可牺牲掉
几个BB，换来这个小孩一个错误，然后一剑封喉，比起用更凶的打法跟他拼运气来说，
还是非常合算的买卖。
另外，AJ vs 22那手牌确实没有任何借口，turn上reraise已经非常非常thin了，再去
call对手的shove，更是把自己给推进了坟墓。
但是，从视频里看不出，小孩的vpip，他拿着烂牌4bet fold也只有一手牌，而且，当
时桌子到底怎么样的dynamic，我们不可能非常清楚，从他玩的这几手牌来看，他主要
是打太凶，但是要知道，对上采用nit战术的对手，你还没有摸牌，就已经WAWB了，所
以，他死在自己没有进一步adjust |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 42 我无法理解在得知结果过后还要坚持你那个什么fold 的理论。
什么结果?这手牌的结果？ lol
abc没有高低端之分啊 所谓的高端abc只是针对以概率论为基础的策略建立起来的
counter它的策略啊 就是leveling的开始 my2c
并且我承认 如果桌上存在2个以上 真汉子 我就自然变成了nit 纯nit 呵呵 |
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H*T
发帖数: 43 | 43 多谢支持！还有版务发的伪币。
经常去foxwoods的人都知道，周末的人是最多的,四五十桌都不稀奇。而最流行的就是
No Limit Texas Holdem，简称NLH。NLH里最多的是1/2NL，一般都会有十桌以上；其次
2/5NL，一般都会来有三四桌，多时会有十桌。5/10NL也有，但一般最多只有一桌，今
年第三次去，看到有两桌的。
之前提到过，从2013年开始，我都是打2/5。一般我都是带4个Buy in (4x500=$2000)。
四年多来，最差的一次记录是亏了近两个Buyin。根据我的打法，四个Buyin应该够用了。
先讲第二次去的经历。
我是星期天上午到，星期二下午走的。
星期天从上午十一点，一直打到凌晨两点半，中间包括吃饭休息。因为我一直遵循既定
的策略，刚开始几个小时基本上chip stack没有大的变动。
有几手牌值得提一下。
第一手是我的bluff。我在LP拿到KQhh，raise to 20。一个middle aged Asian guy
limped and called。Flop 9xx rag, he donk bet flop I called. Tu... 阅读全帖 |
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