w***m
发帖数: 15 | 1 If 4.5 players are serious, even one game for 3.5 is very hard, but possible.
a couple of games? NO WAY.
Aces, service winners, and return winner will be the main three type of
shots. :)
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发帖数: 71 | 2 Never seen 3.5 vs. 4.5. So it is just watering.
Just my thought that it is tough to keep playing at the highest level all
the time. US Open semi Shawa vs Mauresmo. 6:0, then 4:6 (?), then 6:0 again.
I think that Shawa let down a little and wow, lost a set. Same thing
happpened to Federer in the final, first game second set. And they are the
best players. For 4.5, can he/she keeps playing at their best level for two
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 3 hehe, I consider myself strong 3.5 and weak 4.0 (might average :P).
I won most of my singles in 3.5 league. When I played with a strong
4.5 (play #1 single in 4.5), I can barely get a game from him.
I did get a lot of points, but not games :(
When I played with a strong 4.0, I can get 4-6 games in two sets.
Of course it depends your style and your opp. style. But generally
hard to get a game from a 4.5 if you are a 3.5
again.
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 4 you guys are too serious about rating.
since deltafox self-rated 3.5, and c&c is at 4.5, i would bet 200 mitbbs $,
that cc cant beat deltafox with double beagle.
there are alot of players play high rating league with low rating. but the
problem is that it is hard for you to find team who accomodat you and
knowing you would lost every match. well, if you can, by all means, play at
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 5 to be honestly, I do not think playing games with 4.5 can improve
a lot if you are 3.5. Drills can if he is willing to do so. That
is my point, not about rating.
By the way, when I talk about rating, I would always say average
rating. I easyly beat a lot of so called 4.0 who is playing in 4.0.
But that means nothing. And I would only compare rating inside a
small region, not cross US :)
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 6 playing against 4.5 would sure help you alot on your game even you are 3.5.
I gain some confidence when i was playing against 5.0 in double. sure, you would
find the game is very challenge, but it would keep you at the edge and you
are very focus during the match. kinda like "being there, done that", and
you wont feel panic when you are facing other strong players.
as we all know that most players got some special talnet in different
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 7 LOL, rating is just for fun, and really individual depends.
Bagals, win/loss are just percentage. Frankly speaking, double bagals are
more about how long you can focus. If two sets, that will be ok, if more,
that request more energy.
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发帖数: 1389 | 8 thanks bro for the encouragement. sorry to let you down, right now i am not
a usta 4.5 yet and have no plan to push myself for that. now my goals in
tennis are:
1. make my wife a good player. 2. work on fitness, i really feel i am
slowing down so much because of beers and wines. 3. play good matches and
hope my usta mixed doulbe teams enter sectional and national again next year
. 4.make more friends in tennis.
fox, you can take easy le.
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发帖数: 1037 | 9 Agi
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发帖数: 30533 | 11 偶根据自己的理解做的合集。欢迎拍砖。
1.0
1.5
2.0
2.5
3.0
3.5
4.0
4.5
5.0
5.5
6.0
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发帖数: 1077 | 12 LZ还是很辛苦找了这么多录像。我就看了4.0以上的。依我看4.0-5.0的降0.5比较合适
。5.0的那组也就4.0强，到不了4.5。5.5分以上的都是练球，虚高了不少。练球和认真
打比赛差得很多。练球都是互相喂球重复线路，动作可以打出来，球速也快。认真打比
赛的话很难碰到一板那么舒服的球，更别说连续那么多板了。5.5那一组真打比赛也就4
.0不错了。6.0那组也没好多少。6.5的那组看着比我和朋友平时练球是要明显强一些。
7.0那组比较专业了。
我在国内打过北京市业余比赛，当时水平还不稳定，顶多3.5。不过看那些北京河北一
带的顶尖高手最多说自己4.0。我也和他们打过不少球。来这里参加过校际网球俱乐部
的比赛，东南区7、8个学校，A组冠军是我们学校的，平时和校队一起训练，打比赛也
就是和我们一起参加"4.0"的，他顶多说自己4.5。这个我也对练过，我和他打一盘能拼
个一两局。再有我们校队在NCAA排top50之内的，我跟一个预备队的打过不少次，经常
三盘只拿一局，虽然小分上还是能拿不少，平均一个game能拿2分。那些校队正式队员
的我们通常也就说是5.0罢了。
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发帖数: 1077 | 13 我来美是一直在乡下憋着，打球多就是学校里的under们。USTA在周围地区就组织不了
什么比赛，更别说什么4.5以上的league了。也许是我的错，以前碰到的高手都太自谦
了。我是还没机会见识4.5以上的usta league。算了，除了真去打usta league的，这
评分也没多大意义。要是有人问我，我还是自评4.0，踏实。
再多说几句，光看几下底线拉球确实很难看出真正打比赛的水平，这些录像里的高手可能我也看走眼了，我的错。看到不少朋友平时很注重练底线拉球的速度力量，自我感觉不错，照着个这些录像也能自评个不错的分。真打比赛区别就大了，有的能打出练球相似的感觉。有的就差远了。
以前在国内打比赛的时候和朋友们经常讨论这些，结论是打比赛的时候能有练球70%的水平就是高手了。觉得自己只能打出练球时50%其实很正常，这样比赛的时候心态也就好了。
再说说一些自己的感受，我打球的是两类人，一类是学校里的under们，一类是一些40～50岁左右faculty之类。两边球速差得很多，以至于和faculty大多了再和under打要有意调整一下才能适应球速。可是真要打比赛，我打一些球速很快的under更 |
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 14 我到不是一定要一个准确的评分，即使有这样的评分，意义也不见得特别大。不过我很
希望能有一些录像来作为练习时的参照。看pro得比赛，或者一些教学录像当然很有帮
助，但pro离我们毕竟差距太大。看一些水平接近一些的人的录像帮助也是很大的。所
以LZ总结整理这些录像，我是非常感谢的。
但是我觉得最好不要拿录像和自己直接看见的或是想象中的动作做比较，而是应该把自
己的动作从相似的角度录下来，跟其他录像做比较。人的感官其实是非常容易受不同因
素的影响而得到不准确的感觉的。
对于打算改进自己的动作，又请不了coach的人来说，如果能这样仔细观察和比较自己
的动作而加以改进，进步会是很明显的。我一直认为应该先尽量规范自己的动作(
ground stroke, volley, serve and so on)，打好基础，规范的动作也更容易提高稳
定性。如果等到错误动作定型了，就很难改正了。但是业余爱好者的眼光总是不如
coach的，所以录下来仔细观看和比较，才有可能准确的找到问题所在。 |
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a***o
发帖数: 709 | 15 男子女子怎么分呢？男子2。5和女子2。5水平是一样的么？ |
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发帖数: 1665 | 16 I hit much harder in the real games.Practice is practice. I think your
hitting partner will hate you if you also go for winners. I focus more on
the motion, follow through, depth, placement (unless my hitting partner
would like to be moved around) but not the power.
In recent years, not many are using continental grip. It is a kind of
outdated or more precisely, a kind of unpopular in these days. I assume you
might hit with one handed back hand and hit flat.
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f***s
发帖数: 1582 | 17 不错,顶一个. 看了录像觉得自己大约3.5. 很多时候跟水平想当的人才能逼出自己真正
的水平. 对方水平太低,自己兴奋不起来,容易犯低级失误. 对方太高,几下就被动被打
死.这是上周末跟一个弱一些的打比赛,然后又跟一个水平相当的朋友打联系赛的体会. |
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z****c
发帖数: 12 | 19 十分同意！如果按录像，我至少4.5甚至5.0。我原来的partner至少有5.0。但在usta的
league里，我们只是弱4.0和强4.0。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 20 4.5, 5.0那两组都是比赛录像。
你要真是USTA 4.0, 那你的比赛录像基本肯定不如偶贴的那两组。5.0那组中
的年轻那个可是官方5.5级别.
实际上从你下面这几句话偶有90%把握你没有见过自己的录像。 |
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z****c
发帖数: 12 | 21 没看过录像，看同一个league的比赛中可以吧？就说两点：发球跟回合数。4.0那个录
像有多少个内角或大外角ACE？好像没有吧！你自己说那两个人的consisency怎么样？
有多少球是超过3个回合，有多少是超过5个回合的？找个3.5的pusher就能轻松打败他
们。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 22 等看过自己（或对手）录像再说吧，呵呵。偶有70%把握你回过头看这些
录像，观点会改变。
偶贴的这些，从3.0到5.5都是同等级中的强者。4.0那对，至少是强4.0.
如果你是弱4.0，战胜他们可能性不大。 |
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z****c
发帖数: 12 | 23 有多少个内角或大外角ACE？好像没有吧！consistency怎么样？
没有论据，光说有什么用？ |
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 24 go to youtube, search for NCAA tennis, you can see what is typical game sett
ing of NCAA match. some of them are among top 50 NCAA players, who are suppo
sed to be 6.5.
What I found are:
1. They seldom have long rally, especially in man's
2. Ace is also rare, while serve winner is not.
3. Only one match can not tell a player's ranking. for example, if two plays
are ranked 12 and 38, I see one beat another badly, not like in a same leve
l. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 25 There are a total of 87 strokes in 24 points, so that's 3.625
strokes per point.
The highest number of strokes is 8.
I agree their number of strokes are low; but I don't agree they
have low consistency. Those are two different concept. The white
shirt guy forced a lot of unreturned serves and his average 1st
serve speed is in the upper 90 mph's. |
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f*********0
发帖数: 886 | 26 How many 回合 could not be used to judge level, especially in match everyone
want to kill his opponent. ACE has no 回合, could you say they sucks?
Speed,pace and control, footwork and touch of the ball are the basic factor
for judgement. |
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 27 consistency是相对于对手强弱而定
我认识某人能在州赛打出46个rally，也能两盘每个point不超过5个回合输掉，呵呵 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 29 thread is too old, so most were deleted. |
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z****c
发帖数: 12 | 30 那么多同盟！还非要说赢！不能容忍不同意见。那你们自己慢慢占着这里yy好了。没兴
趣跟你们辩。连4.5的水平都没体会过。。。或者说不够水平真正体会。。。 |
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a*i
发帖数: 1652 | 31 若从第一次摸球拍算起，我的球龄超过16年了。大学虽上了两年网球课，而且四年里每
周末都和同学激烈对打，真正的比赛却没有打过一场，所以水平比初学者不高多少，甚
至连发球都不大会。大学毕业后只是偶尔打打，来美国读博士期间打得也不多，球拍是
从WALMART 买的，价格比线贵不了多少。
博士毕业前，一些中国朋友组织了一次网球赛。我惊奇地发现，以前一个不大会打球的
朋友，居然水平大涨，并在半决赛中把我横扫出局。我反思了一下，觉得自己打网球十
多年，居然发球和正反手都不可靠，和其他一些爱好相比，实在无法对自己交待。高中
自己练习跳远和三级跳，结果在校运会上战胜多名校田径队队员；踢足球也是凭爱好，
在国内研究生队任前锋，当年研究生队凭借整体实力，一改颓势，轻取所有本科强队。
我觉得有必要把网球提高到拿得出手的水平。
不巧，2005年我毕业后来到佛罗里达。那个击败我的朋友送给我一只昂贵的球拍，而我
也信誓旦旦地表示要提高水平。刚开始，人生地不熟，跟着当地的几个中国朋友打了半
年羽毛球。2006年5月，我才开始把注意力集中在网球上，决定多打比赛，在比赛中发
现自己需要提高的地方。
同事告诉我一个网站( |
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a*i
发帖数: 1652 | 32 在mitbbs上和AAKK123取得联系后，我就联系CRANDON PARK预约球场。硬地没有了，红
土也没有了，只有草地。也不错，双方都想试试。
周六一早7：40到宾馆接到球友，八点准时到达球场。不少志愿者正在培训，为四月的
迈阿密大师赛准备。草地维护不错，象地毯一般；球却弹不起来，打起来很没劲，也许
草地要用特殊的球？
换到GRAND STAND的硬地，纳达儿，穆雷，小德等顶级选手都在这片场地打过比赛。第
一盘我被打得找不到北。对方正手平击很强，单反也比较潇洒。打了一段时间才意识到
对方是左手。。。我的发球，正反手都失误频频。很快1/6败下阵来。
后来换了一个场地，我也换了球拍，比赛慢慢地有点竞争性。我一发好了很多，双误也
少了一些。大家都比较求稳，回合打得很多。在5/4发球局没有拿下，最后以5/7输了。
对方实力确在我之上，正反手稳定，底线好，防守出色，不过发球稍弱。
比赛后双方一致认为，有机会还要再打。鉴于HAMSTER也在弯区，建议他们两人切磋一
下，向我们汇报一下战况。注：AAKK123和我一样刚刚升为NTRP 4.0。 |
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N********d
发帖数: 298 | 35 我总共只有六百多伪币，拿出一半来发包子。
如果霏霏再赢下温网，我就发光剩下的伪币！并奔自己为活跃版面和NTRP口水贴作贡献
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y***e
发帖数: 6082 | 36 re
我总共只有六百多伪币，拿出一半来发包子。
如果霏霏再赢下温网，我就发光剩下的伪币！并奔自己为活跃版面和NTRP口水贴作贡献
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f*********0
发帖数: 886 | 37 顶！我就不喜欢成天炒这个， 和自己一点关系都没有。
建议网球版 分成 3个版， 一个是球迷天地，一个是球技交流，另外一个是器材交流。
本来想发帖子关于球技交流的，在温网期间就不敢发， 水大成萝卜了， 全都是粉丝们
的口水。
KennyD有啥建议不? |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 38 偶建议耐心等一周，新鲜劲过去了，就只剩下一些老球油子在版上了，呵呵。
流。 |
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f*********0
发帖数: 886 | 39 呵呵， 美网还早， 下一个大水来临还有些时间。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 42 I posted the 1st part a few months ago. |
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m*****r
发帖数: 3822 | 45 这个发球是视角问题还是咋的？按照这个底线水平，发球方完全没优势啊。。。 |
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f*********0
发帖数: 886 | 46 终于有一点我可以比某些5.5强了。
我发球比这个这个蓝衣服5.5快。
唉， 这又有什么用呢。 |
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s*********4
发帖数: 3362 | 47
ground stroke还有四个高压都很强大，发球也没那么差。 |
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R*****8
发帖数: 1557 | 48 the blue shirt is weaker, serve is not as good as some 4.0+, I would say he
is 4.5. |
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H****J
发帖数: 326 | 49 His ground stroke was awesome. But his serve was not in the same league with
his ground stroke, not even better than my serve. And I consider myself a 3
.5 player. |
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 50 In my opinion, the blue shirt definitely is stronger. Check out the ground stroke. When the ball is in play, the blue one always acts more aggressive than the yellow one. And he plays pretty consistent too while he plays so much pace and angle.
The only weakness may be his serve. But I think maybe his form is not good so that people think the serve is weak. When he faces the camera, the pace of his serve is not bad actually. Just think about it, if his serve is not as good as 4.0 and his opponen |
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