n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 1 I just read about this, thought it is pretty amazing.
Polanco's current on base percentage (.571) is lower than his
average (.579). I always thought OBP > AVG. But this appears
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 4 Take the yahoo situation splits.
RISP: ARod OBP .405, Jeter .369
RISP w/2 outs: ARod OBP .452, Jeter .403
I guess you can't understand why ARod has higher OBP with RISP 2 outs
than his own season OBP, either. Baseball is for fans with brain. Please
try something else. It just doesn't work for you.
You
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g*******s
发帖数: 490 | 5 不过今年也确实没什么大棒子好补阿，safeco吃右打得power吃的很严重，holliday和
bay又都是右打，补了也大打折扣。
看重obp就是钱球理论阿，运动家就一直这么搞，花少钱办大事，至少能进季候塞。近
几年mariner都是全队obp最低的那几个队之一，换了个gm，目前这个方针还是对的，搞
obp的cost effectiveness还是很不错的，靠防守和obp先搞进季候塞再说 |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 6 这个和颠峰不颠峰没什么关系。
只看这个赛季，我的那种.270/410/550的球员一般production也总是好过
350/390/550这种队员。
OBP和SLG为什么重要是有原因的。
OBP反映了球员避免make out的能力，
而SLG则反映了球员production的能力。这两个参数几乎可以覆盖对一个
打击手最基本的两个要求：一，节省out，二，打下垒位。
棒球说到底，就是一支球队用27个出局抢占尽可能多垒位的运动。
每一个out都很宝贵，不能够随便浪费。OBP越高的球员，就越不容易make
out，可以给本队额外的机会。而SLG高的球员，在有限的机会中可以打
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 7 for the decade of 90`
Biggio is the best Leadoff hitter in the game
from 1992~2001, OBP>.370 for each year
life time .381 OBP
even average about 60 RBI 110 runs during that period
4 time gold glove playing 2b
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 8 I guess you must have intentionally missed the part where ARod has a .200
OBP with base loaded situation, while Jeter has a .350 OBP. Or maybe you
are just blind, or have your brain eaten by a dog, whichever fits you. |
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g*******s
发帖数: 490 | 9 kotchman的打击也没那么烂，大体上是联盟平均的水平，作为1b他的关键问题是没
power，充其量也就一点gap power, 但是avg和obp是还可以的。其实mariner思路很明
确阿，obp > power，今年找的figgins, kotchman, bradley都是这种 |
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发帖数: 4579 | 10
棒球術語代碼
術語/ 英文/ 中文解釋
A/assists/助 殺
AB/at bats/打 數
AL/American League /美國聯盟
1B/first baseman/一壘手 / 一壘安打
2B/second baseman/二壘手 / 二壘安打
3B /third baseman/三壘手 / 三壘安打
B/balls/壞球數
BA/batting average/打擊率
BB/bases on balls/四壞球
BF/batters faced/投球人次
BFS/batters faced per start/投手過勞指數
BK/Balks/投手犯規數
BS /blown saves /救援失敗
C/catcher/ 捕手
CF/center fielder/中外野手
CG/complete games/完投場次
CS/ caught stealing/盜壘失敗
DH/designated hitter/指定打擊
DL/disabled list/受傷名單
DP /double plays/雙殺
E/errors/失誤
ER/earned runs/投手責任失分
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 11 How many Mathis games have you ever watched before you call him
"a good defensive catcher"? He doesn't have any defensive skills
that can be called "good", and his arms are very weak. Most likely
he'll be kicked out of town as soon as fat Mike is fired.
ps: AVG is a BS category. OBP is more important. Napoli has a career
OBP of .359, very good for any catcher. Even this part is completely
false: "his AVG is in the lower 200s". Napoli played injured in 2010,
and his avg were 273 and 272 in 08,09,... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 3630 | 12 今年红人Cueto的表现应该dominant SP.
去年Choo和Votto的OBP排名国联第一和第二，这两人简直是上垒机器。
Billy Hamilton 0.298的OBP作为leadoff hitter,简直就是个joke. 当然，他的价值主
要在盗垒，但是他全年SB 56, CS 23, 成功率只有71% 其实贡献也不是那么大, 被抓的
次数太多了,要知道联盟平均的盗垒成功率可是73%
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s****n
发帖数: 4266 | 13 V-Mart 今年成绩 BA .335 HR 32 RBI 103 H 188 SO 42 OPS .974 (领先AL）OBP .409
（领先AL）SLG .565
Mike Trout 今年成绩 BA .287 HR 36 RBI 111 (领先AL）H 173 SO 184(领先AL） OPS
.939 OBP .377 SLG .561 |
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a*****5
发帖数: 94 | 14 OBP 350以上算是很不错的数据了
现在好多人看重OBP，毕竟上垒才有可能得分 |
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G****a
发帖数: 10208 | 17 Once again, the Giants and Cardinals will square off with a National League
title on the line. They've met three times before, and their fourth meeting
will make the matchup the third-most played NL Championship Series in
history. Believe it or not, only Pirates-Reds and Phillies-Dodgers have been
played more frequently.
Here's a position-by-position breakdown of the two clubs, who have combined
to win each of the last four NL pennants:
Date Time Matchup Network
Gm 1 Oct. 1... 阅读全帖 |
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Y*****s
发帖数: 342 | 18 To be honestly, Giambi is far greater than Tino. His power, his OBP,
his RBI, his run..His overall stats. But once Yankees in playoff, it's totally
totally different story. I still believe no-underdog in playoff in any pro
sports. For playoff run, I still love/miss the lineup organized with Tino,
Paulie,Knobby,Brosuis,Jeter,Jorge..etc(still remember Sojo?). That Yankees
were
borned to play for postseason. Giambi is still great. But maybe that's his
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 19 see post 18309
这个数据的好处是它包括了SB的情况，也包括了BB和TB的情况，这样我们
既保留了SB这个特性，又体现了OBP和SLG的重要性。
更重要的是，这个数据和BA没有关系，这样可以避免两者重复计算。 |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 20 随便举两个例子，Charles Johnson在Coors的数据是.324/.414/.593(BA/OBP/SLG) with
an OPS of 1.007 这个是什么概念？
也就是说，Charles Johnson在Coors是一个比Javy Lopez，Greg Myers，
Jason Varitek，Jorge Posada，Mike Liberthal，A.J. Pierzynski。。。
都要好的打手。
但是他在客场的成绩：.140/.198/.280。。。
再举一个例子，Jose Valentin作为左打时，他的成绩是.268/.357/.536
什么概念？OPS=.893
知道这个成绩在所有的SS中排第几吗？只有A-rod和Nomar比他强。。。
他一共有13个HR，39个RBI，知道他右打的时候的成绩吗？0HR，3RBI。。
这样的例子还很多，ESPN上专门有这种SPLIT的数据提供，有兴趣可以自己去
找找。
另外，一个赛季那么长，难免有球员受伤或者低潮，这时候你板凳上的队员好
不好就体现出来了。
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 21 >>本文仅供各位棒垒球爱好者参考学习，请勿任意转载或用于任何商业目的。
发信人: Noresize@Palmarama (et cetera) 看板: Baseball
标 题: 棒球记录调整（四）：守位的调整
发信站: 台大计中椰林风情站 (Fri Dec 10 23:55:01 1999)
为什麽我们要谈球员守位间的记录调整？问个问题：同样是打三十支全垒打
，一百分打点的一个一垒手与一个游击手，谁是比较好的球员？在一场比赛
中，教练一定得派一个捕手、一垒手、二垒手、三垒手、游击手、三个外野
手，一名投手。想想看，今天如果一支球队同时有McGwire与Bagwell，教练
会把其中一个放一垒，另外的去守游击吗？显然是不会的。我想每个球迷都
清楚，在棒球各个不同守位的选手集合中，有些守位是特别擅长打击的，而
有些守位是特别注重守备的。简单列一下1999年美联各个守位的选手总平均
成绩：
AVG AB R HR RBI SB CS OBP SLG
catcher .264 |
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v*****c
发帖数: 44 | 22 Molitor is a player with 3000 hits... he deserves HOF.
Martinez is a player with higher OBP than Molitor, so he deserves HOF?
HOF is all about dominace and endurance... Has Martinez ever been the most
dominant hitter in his team? Just name some major category, Martinez dominates
his peer major leaguers.
Again, in Martinez's era, there are too many 'good' hitters.when the voters
cast their votes, they defintely compare him with his peer players , jr,
bonds,big mac, bagwell, biggio, piazza, belle, |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 23 Edgar is a 7-time All-Star, led league in hitting twice, RBI once, OBP 3
times, OPS once. These are all pretty significant number.
Paul Molitor? He was a 7-time all-star and led league in those categories
exactly zero times.
Not saying Paul Molitor is not a good player. He got a long career and put up
some beautiful stats. However, in the term of hitter, Edgar is way better than
Molitor.
And Paul Molitor gets into HOF not because his fielding ability, but his bat
as a DH.
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 24 公认的triple crown数据BA-HR-RBI，其实都是属于描述性的数据。
这些数据高，恩，不错。。然后就没有了。
当然，如果你有.320的BA，不管你OBP或者SLG怎么样，基本都可以认为你是个
不错的球员。
但是BA最大的问题就是，如果你知道这个球员这个赛季BA是.270，你根本搞不
清楚这个是好还是不好。因为BA很大程度上只能反映你大致是什么样的球员，
却很难比较出好坏来。
比如.300的BA一定好过.280吗？不一定。 |
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g******a
发帖数: 667 | 25 walk is counted in OBP.
Here is the meaning of some important percentage stats:
BA: Batting Average, H/AB, the most common used stat but maybe the least
useful among these stats. Well, it's useful to generate publicity and your
access to HOF, maybe. Some ppl think high BA means good contact, but that's
not true. Many player with tons of whiffs can still generate high BA anyway.
SecA: Secondary Average, (TB-H+SB-CS+BB)/AB, this is a good supplement to BA.
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n********e
发帖数: 28 | 26 到底是靠big 3还是beane的money ball就要见分晓了。
我个人还是觉得pitching比OBP更决定球队的实力。 |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 27 NL West: San Diego Padres
Believe or not, Padres is your two time defending NL West champion.
It is quite a feat, especially considering the highest paid Padres in these
two seasons actually did not contribute much. In 05' Phil Nevin posted a 300
OBP (9.63 mil) in 73 games. In 06', Chan Ho Park (15.5 mil) posted a 4.81
ERA in 136 innings and Ryan Klesko (9 mil) had just 4 at bats in 6 games.
For a team whose payroll was in 60~70 million range, this was not money well
spent.
Another interesting f |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 28 Halo made some really questionable signings. Last year they got Gary
Matthews, this year Torii Hunter. How many CFs could a team have? And they
probably still have nobody to protect Vlad.
The same thing goes to Dodgers. Juan Pierre is a terrible signing. His OBP
is too low as leadoff and can't hit 2nd. Let's see how Torre can turn things
around. :) |
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发帖数: 5415 | 32 打击和manny是有差距，不过场外关系方面还是...
另外，papi选球很厉害啊，.2xx的打击率能做到~.380的OBP |
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 33 hahahahahaha.
Dunn的obp那么高，为啥k还很多？ |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 34 职业生涯AVG .306, OBP .333.又没有力量，这种废物还是趁着现在炒作的名气大
赶紧换走为好。 |
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r**********e
发帖数: 2821 | 35 espn insider也是这么说的，说今年换了台西亚会好点，但是还是一堆没有patience的打手，缺乏大棒。pitching是强项。
看看猴子进攻数据：
RUNS SCORED-------HOME RUNS------- OPS
10th in AL--------9th in AL-------10th in AL
The Angels' main Achilles heel is their lineup, although they'll head into
October with a stronger offense than their season-long totals might indicate
. It is as impatient a lineup as you'll see in the postseason; they finished
11th in the AL in OBP at .329, and 12th in walks, ahead of only Seattle and
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 36 Even in his ridiculous MVP year, Rollins was a clear tier behind
Hanley on all the individual offensive categories: avg, obp, sb.
And his career stats fall even further, about 2 tiers behind
in a hitter friendly park with a lot more good pitches to hit.
You can find Rollins close to or even in front of Hanley in some
fantasy ranking, but that's mainly because of his marketing skill
and stronger teammates. Those Runs/RBIs more than Hanley count for
nothing to the real life GMs. |
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j*****n
发帖数: 3617 | 37 Name Team G AB R H
2B 3B HR RBI BB
K SB CS AVG OBP
SLG OPS
Hanley Ramirez FLA 153 589 125
177 34 4 33 67
92 122 35 12 .301
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 38 今天全队至少4个GIDP了，够恶心了...他要是4个GIDP我倒踏实了，证明前两棒OBP够高
，换个人打第三棒就是大把的run啊 |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 39 你个脑残光听人忽悠说特谢拉没有ARod时候被保送多少多少次。你知道丫那OBP
在首发一垒里边是第几档次吗？Adrian Gonzalez,Votto,Morneau之类没人保护的
大棒多了去了，特谢拉也就是给这些人擦鞋的水平，估计你这种脑残根本就没听说过。 |
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G******f
发帖数: 16223 | 40 感觉他自从休息了yanks series，突然figure out怎么提高obp了 |
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G******f
发帖数: 16223 | 41 OBP还不错，可BA是第三差的。。。当然了，光看BA的话JBay是第四差的 |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 42 你搞笑呢吧，教练大部分都不喜欢自己的队员参加allstar.关键是投票球迷和
队员瞎搞，Pena是AL homerun leader，居然没选进来。Kinsler四月份跟疯了
一样，剩下两个半月都相当之烂。你想夹带私货的Cano也类似，比Kinsler极端
程度稍微小点，但是早就不像四月份时候那样让人惊喜了，现在又回到avg .3xx,
obp .350那个半死不活的状态。 |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 43 Kinsler现在那数据比垃圾2B强有屁用啊，现在是跟Pena比。而且Kinsler
6月份OBP .311,7月份.200，还真不一定比多数2B强。 |
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x**h
发帖数: 1564 | 44 看看这个lineup的数据，除了C以外，完全不输美联啊。。。
NL BA OBP SLG OPS+ HR
SS Hanley Ramirez .349 .411 .567 158 14
2B Chase Utley .313 .430 .573 161 20
1B Albert Pujols .332 .456 .723 209 32
RF Ryan Braun .310 .391 .530 142 16
LF Raul Ibanez .309 .367 .649 160 22
3B David Wright .324 .410 .462 131 5
CF Shane Victorino .309 .375 .464 119 6
C Yadier Molina .280 .352 .383 96 5( Brian McCann with 128 OPS+...)
RHP Tim Lincecum
AL
RF Ichiro Suzuki .362 .393 |
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E**y
发帖数: 1018 | 45 ricky henderson算是历史上最牛的leadoff man，OBP, steal, Base on ball, power
，样样都有。 |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 46 What 全面革命? Even many fans know OBP is more important than AVG.
He's just Mr. Steroids. |
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 47 moneyball isnt just about OBP ah.... and before him, very few baseball GMs
do quantitative analysis... now few GMs are from former major leaguers. |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 48 你看过Dunn的比赛吗？OBP相当强悍。
his editor today....... |
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x**h
发帖数: 1564 | 49 怎么会差不多。。。
Dunn
Year BA OBP SLG HR
2009 .267 .398 .529 38
Career .249 .383 .520 316
Pat
2009 .221 .315 .367 14
Career .254 .363 .475 265 |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 50 你搞笑呢。他的数据比Burrel强太多了。Burrel不管怎么狗仗人势，
在打手天堂海这辈子都没HR上过40，Dunn连续无数年40+.俩人那OBP
差距更是天壤之别。
his editor today....... |
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