s******e
发帖数: 1751 | 1 Interesting, have they condemned Opium War yet? |
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h******n
发帖数: 28 | 3 原文是用挪威语写的，我用google translator翻译的
楼上那篇是用来解释这篇的
在这篇中，我最喜欢最后一段话
> From: @ rolf melheim
> Subject: Hello
Can you pass on to interested parties? Regards Rolf
Article newspapers to Bergen from Jan Erik Willgohs:
Should we congratulate each other with this year's Nobel Peace Prize? No, I
do not believe it!
I see few, if any, potential positive impacts of this year's awards. The
effects will also be the reversal of many ongoing good processes and
setbacks for those looking for relaxation of and in the C... 阅读全帖 |
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M*********r
发帖数: 50 | 4 I always thought respect is mutual.
《每日电讯报》说，卡梅伦与阁员在人民大会堂时，拒绝中方对他们除下罂粟花的要求。
该报引述随行的一名首相府人员说：“中方人员对我们说佩戴罂粟花是不恰当的，因为
两国曾经发生鸦片战争。我们告诉他们这花对我们有重大意义，我们所有人会继续佩戴
。”
很多英国人习惯在11月份在衣襟佩戴罂粟花，纪念两次大战和其他战争中牺牲的英国军
人和平民。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
The first Opium War was the beginning of a long period of weakening the
state and civil revolt in China, and long-term depopulation. In 1842, China'
s population was 416,118,200, of whom 2 million were drug addicts, and in
1881, of a population of 369,... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****y
发帖数: 42 | 5 That's because you guys only stayed in America, and you didn't come to
England. let me tell yah, when I was america, I was as arrogant as you guys;
but after I moved to England, I learned what is courtesy, and I also
learned they weared poppet every autumn until the mid November, to remember
people died in WWI. So I think he didn't do anything wrong, as a leader,
first showing respect to his own people is not a wrong thing; and as for
opium war, I don't think most English people knows about it n... 阅读全帖 |
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M*********r
发帖数: 50 | 6 Oh, yeah. English people has forgotten the opium war and their military
intervention and protection for the drug dealers, that doesn't mean the Chinese
people should forget about it too. It is not the English people alone make
the game rules for the courtesy. We should also contribute to that too. :)
BTW, if your English logic tells you that being ignorant and arrogant after
the courtesy call from another party is showing the respect to another party
, that logic sucks.
guys;
remember
because |
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h*****y
发帖数: 42 | 7 Well, the best way to remember the war is to learn the lesson. Why opium war
happens? unbalanced trade. What's happening today? unbalanced trade. 屁民卖
苦力做袜子给政治局买飞机，这个版这么多phd难道都是读书读多了不知民间疾苦么，
就知道愤青，从义和团到红卫兵再到你，喊起来一头劲。你如果可以在祖国混的好，干
吗出国？现在别人帮你呐喊你的人权，你倒摆摆手说你不配，老佛爷许才许，我呸。
他山之石，可以功玉，人家说的在不在理我也不跟你辩，但冲人不吊你带他那什么花的
气质也拉你这在异国流浪的新义和团民几条街... |
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M*********r
发帖数: 50 | 8 Actually my knowledge tells me opium comes from poppy.
See, if we dislike something but the English people like it. We tell them to
show some respect when they come to visit us. They ignore it and then want
to straighten our minds by their rules. Who is there to blame? Can I
straighten their mind too? At least in my home?
This is just playing a game. Either we play as they say or they play as we say. |
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M*********r
发帖数: 50 | 9 Apparently you are using a different book of science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppy
"Poppies have long been used as a symbol of both sleep and death: sleep
because of the opium extracted from them, and death because of their (
commonly) blood-red color. In Greco-Roman myths, poppies were used as
offerings to the dead.[1] Poppies are used as emblems on tombstones to
symbolize eternal sleep. This aspect was used, fictionally, in The Wonderful
Wizard of Oz to create magical poppy fields, dange... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7918 | 10 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/world/asia/04museum.html?_r=1
April 3, 2011
At China’s New Museum, History Toes Party Line
By IAN JOHNSON
BEIJING — At the elaborately renovated National Museum of China in
Tiananmen Square, visitors interested in the recent history of the world’s
fastest rising power can gaze at the cowboy hat that Deng Xiaoping once wore
when he visited the United States, or admire the bullhorn that President Hu
Jintao used to exhort people to overcome hardship after the Sichu... 阅读全帖 |
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S**b
发帖数: 1883 | 11 Massive Uprising Continues As British Government Begins Crackdown
Protests in London spread to more cities as students, government workers,
businessmen, and people from all walks of life took the to the streets of
major British cities and demanded accountability and transparency in the
wake of recent brutal killing of a 29 year old man in Tottenham a week ago.
Today, London is in complete lockdown as state security forces, equipped
with batons, tasers, and pistols, flooded the streets in prevent... 阅读全帖 |
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B*V
发帖数: 3365 | 12 http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/12/the-american-w
From 1944, when the 23-year-old Sidney Rittenberg first arrived in China
with the U.S. Army, to his departure 35 years later, no other foreign
national played as important a role in the country. A Chinese linguist and
Communist sympathizer, Rittenberg served as a friend, confidante, translator
, and journalist for the Communist Party leadership after first encountering
them at their Yan'an base in 1946. During the first three decade... 阅读全帖 |
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j****e
发帖数: 12067 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 Ghost 讨论区 】
发信人: joycee (临河而羡鱼，不如归家结网), 信区: Ghost
标 题: （厄舍府之倒塌）—哥特式恐怖小说——爱伦坡著
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 7 21:22:58 2010, 美东)
厄舍府之倒塌
爱伦·坡 著
曹明伦 译
他的心儿是一柄诗琴，
轻轻一拨就舒扬有声。
——贝朗瑞
那年秋天一个晦暝、昏暗、廓落、云幕低垂的日子，我一整天都策马独行，穿越
一片异常阴郁的旷野。当暮色开始降临时，愁云笼罩的厄舍府终于遥遥在望。不知为什
么，一看见那座房舍，我心中便充满了一种不堪忍受的抑郁。我说不堪忍受，因为那种
抑郁无论如何也没法排遣，而往常即便是更凄凉的荒郊野地、更可怕险山恶水，我也能
从山情野趣中获得几分喜悦，从而使愁悒得到减轻。望着眼前的景象——那孤零零的房
舍、房舍周围的地形、萧瑟的垣墙、空茫的窗眼、几丛茎叶繁芜的莎草、几株枝干惨白
的枯树——我心中极度的抑郁真难用人间常情来比拟，也许只能比作opium服用者清醒 |
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 14 My comment: I deleted (2) to (4), because only (1) is about history.
【 以下文字转载自 Literature 讨论区 】
发信人: choi (choi), 信区: Literature
标 题: Books About China
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 28 14:08:46 2009, 美东)
(1) Paul French, Through the Looking Glass: China's Foreign Journalists from
Opium Wars to Mao. Hong Kong University Pres, June 2009.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/simp/indepth/2009/12/091222_br1_looking_glasses.shtml
My comment:
(a) "Through the Looking Glass, and What Alice Found There (1871) is a |
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I********l
发帖数: 8702 | 17 1944年，陕甘宁边区的鸦片贸易额提高了10倍，收入占到了陕甘宁边区财政支出的四成。
牛逼啊，也就是说，第二年鸦片贸易额都达到了200亿美元！
而1943年美国GDP不到2000亿美元！
出处：
chen yung-fa stuy shows that in 1943, nearly a million boxes of opium were
exported, raising $2 billion. By the following year, the revenue had gone up
ten times, and profits accounted for up to 40 percent of the administration
's total revenue
Chiang Kai Shek: China's Generalissimo and the Nation He Lost, By Jonathan
Fenby, p443. |
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C********g
发帖数: 9656 | 18 http://my.cnd.org/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=30812
六，敢做不敢当的罂粟种植
鸦片战争失败后，清政府咸丰皇帝“驰禁”鸦片，允许种植罂粟。试图以国货斥洋货，
阻止白银外流。皇帝圣思：与其让你英夷毒害我天朝还收高价投毒费，不如我自己仰脖
子把那毒药先灌进肚里，省了这笔冤枉银两。咸丰这项自力更生的鸦片政策，导致国产
鸦片数量激增，1890年达60万担，是进口量的十倍。水涨船高烟民也暴增十倍，达数千
万人。身体佝偻成大虾米状，捧支烟枪侧卧烟榻，拖着大辫子吞云吐雾，成了中国人赢
弱、麻木、耻辱的形象。鸦片于国于民的危害不只令有志之士痛心疾首，无识草民也深
忧其患。此情此景，如果革命党不呼吁禁烟，那无异于公鸡不打鸣，还要你这鸟党作甚！
国民政府对于禁烟有严格法律，其中包括死刑。共产党在苏区也曾经厉行戒烟运动，在
川北苏区、戒除大烟的举措很有成效，被人称赞。
红军长征进驻陕北后，情况发生了改变。
陕北地区贫穷落后，工商业萧条。红军在陕北立足，首先就遇到经济上的困难。林伯渠
主持边区政府时期，最主要的财政收入，是从鸦片烟而来。... 阅读全帖 |
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 19 下面这个贴是从棋理来论证中国起源。
中国的9x10的棋盘是原物的可能性大很多。印度的那个明显是先简化成8x8的棋盘后，
原来的一些规则就不合适了，比如士（后）和相的走法就很难堪了，所以是做了一些尝
试来修正规则后的产物。
从起源学上说，中国周边国家象棋的走法规则变化很多，西方象棋规则很一致，说明中
国是起源地。这个逻辑和生物学上推论DNA起源地逻辑是一样的。
It appears that because European (mostly British) writers had access to
Persian and Indian documents, that this was the notion believed in the
Western world for a long time. However, there was a lack of consideration of
any Chinese source. But it appears that this bias against the Chinese
inventing anything comes from... 阅读全帖 |
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 20 下面这个贴是从棋理来论证中国起源。
中国的9x10的棋盘是原物的可能性大很多。印度的那个明显是先简化成8x8的棋盘后，
原来的一些规则就不合适了，比如士（后）和相的走法就很难堪了，所以是做了一些尝
试来修正规则后的产物。
从起源学上说，中国周边国家象棋的走法规则变化很多，西方象棋规则很一致，说明中
国是起源地。这个逻辑和生物学上推论DNA起源地逻辑是一样的。
It appears that because European (mostly British) writers had access to
Persian and Indian documents, that this was the notion believed in the
Western world for a long time. However, there was a lack of consideration of
any Chinese source. But it appears that this bias against the Chinese
inventing anything comes from... 阅读全帖 |
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s***i
发帖数: 10182 | 21 Qin Dynasty 秦朝 221–206 BC
GDP per capita: Unknow
The share of Qing and the dynasties before are too aged to calculate, no
relevant data is available, so we only start from the Han dynasty.
Han dynasty 汉朝 (206 BC–220 AD)
GDP per capita: $450
Han Dynasty accounted for 26% of the global wealth, at that time the Roman
Empire dominated western world. Han Dynasty is the economic center of the
eastern world.
Tang Dynasty 唐朝 618 – 907 AD
GDP per capita:$480
China’s feudal society gets to its peak in T... 阅读全帖 |
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s***i
发帖数: 10182 | 22 Qin Dynasty 秦朝 221–206 BC
GDP per capita: Unknow
The share of Qing and the dynasties before are too aged to calculate, no
relevant data is available, so we only start from the Han dynasty.
Han dynasty 汉朝 (206 BC–220 AD)
GDP per capita: $450
Han Dynasty accounted for 26% of the global wealth, at that time the Roman
Empire dominated western world. Han Dynasty is the economic center of the
eastern world.
Tang Dynasty 唐朝 618 – 907 AD
GDP per capita:$480
China’s feudal society gets to its peak in T... 阅读全帖 |
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m***n
发帖数: 12188 | 23 谈论大时间尺度的历史，必须和自然史结合起来。否则就会牛头不对马尾。下面是我做
的一个记录历史事件的 excel文件的一部分拷贝：
只有把整个人类的历史合在一起，而非按地理，民族分类，才能真正听到文明前进的脚
步声，看到“这生命的千军万马，呼啸向前的景象”（参考柏格森《创造的进化》一书
最后一段）。
time events
c 3000000 BC Stone tools S&T
c 1600000 BC most recent ice age begins nature
c 1400000 BC 人类开始用火 use of fire S&T
c 50000 BC a meteorite falls in Arizona, 440,000 tons, and forms a crater
1.2 km wide and 150 m deep nature
c 40000 BC mining, the oldest mine known is at Bomvu R... 阅读全帖 |
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t***n
发帖数: 43 | 24 原本几乎所有人都是在家生产，直到 18 世纪，才开始到医院生产。在这之前，生命始
于卧室、也常常终于卧室，很可能还在同一张床上。在这些大事终于移转到医院之前，
卧室可能是一个人见到的第一、也是最后一个景象。
今天的准妈妈们都还是有一些不安，但在过去，怀孕的风险可要高得多。对年轻女性来
讲，分娩可说是人生的一大考验，于是随着预产期步步紧逼，就寝的卧室也成了一个可
怕、令人望而生畏的地方。在中世纪，怀孕的死亡率是五十分之一，但当时每位女性通
常都得生十几个孩子，所以对于还有生育能力的女性来说，出事的概率实在不低。在都
铎王朝时期，很多怀孕的女性都会在产前为自己画幅肖像，原因有些凄美。分娩过程开
始之后，她们可能就永远见不到自己的丈夫了。而有了肖像画，至少她们的亲人能留下
所爱最后的影像。
讲到自然生产，都铎王朝时期就已经知道一项真理：地心引力帮得上忙。16 世纪的王
后，会坐在一个椅面中空、称为“呻吟椅”的椅子上，椅子有金布装饰，还会有一个铜
碗来承接胞衣。
如果是一般人，产婆会准备形状类似，但比较粗糙，同样椅面中空的凳子。有些会比较
华丽一些，像是有真皮坐垫、有凸起处的椅背或扶手，好让产... 阅读全帖 |
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w******o
发帖数: 726 | 26 Because they want the Third Opium War to fight Chinese. Because for them the
only good Chinese are dead Chinese.Fuck the Assholes. |
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x****b
发帖数: 584 | 28 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/04/AR2010060400076.html?hpid=sec-world
China uses drones to spot opium fields
The Associated Press
Friday, June 4, 2010; 12:17 AM
BEIJING -- China has begun using unmanned aircraft to track down illegal
poppy crops being grown in the suburbs around its capital as part of a
monthlong anti-drug campaign, police said Friday.
Beijing police announced the start of the "Eagle Eye 10" campaign at a
meeting Thursday, said an officer surnamed Z |
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w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 29 ok. sounds resonable. Next time, no opium for Chinese as well.
international |
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i***a
发帖数: 4718 | 32 How nice and altruism, then please remind us, why did British want to sell
opium to Chinese?
are |
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h******n
发帖数: 28 | 33 原文是用挪威语写的，我用google translator将它翻译成英语
楼上那篇是用来解释这篇的
在这篇中，我最喜欢最后一段话
> From: @ rolf melheim
> Subject: Hello
Can you pass on to interested parties? Regards Rolf
Article newspapers to Bergen from Jan Erik Willgohs:
Should we congratulate each other with this year's Nobel Peace Prize? No, I
do not believe it!
I see few, if any, potential positive impacts of this year's awards. The
effects will also be the reversal of many ongoing good processes and
setbacks for those looking for relaxation of and in t... 阅读全帖 |
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t******r
发帖数: 8600 | 35 1839? before opium war? |
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发帖数: 454 | 36 LONDON As treasure-in-the attic stories go, the 18th-century Chinese vase
sold at a suburban auction house in outer London on Thursday night will be
hard to beat.
The delicate, decorative 16-inch vase started at a not-inconsequential $800,
000, but after a half-hour of unexpectedly spirited bidding, the gavel fell
at $69.5 million. It was the highest price ever paid at auction for a
Chinese antiquity.
Adding in the 20 percent buyer抯 premium levied by the auction house and
Britain抯 value-added ta... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****l
发帖数: 363 | 37 事件的起因：有人在youtube上发了一个视频，结果引起各地人民（多数为米国）大量
围观，点击量顷刻之间上百万之多。当然评论永远要比原视频有意思。
从各地 2000 多评论里挑了 130 条出来，选的标准基本是排除了重复的，纯表赞叹或
纯开骂无多少内容的、跑题跑太远的，还有那些虽然 ID 显示国外但看主页似乎咱自家
留学生或华裔的评论因为时间所限也没翻。被标注推荐比较多的基本都入选了。红色部
分是译文。有出错的地方请大家一定不吝指点 (*^__^*)~ ！
以下是视频和部分评论:
Ark Hotel Construction time lapse building 15 storeys in 2 days！！！
youtube源地址： http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0DSihggio&feature=player_embedded （需Fan墙）
评论：
wazham2 17 小时之前
everything is possible in Japan
在日本真是一切皆有可能 ~
allin1readerwriter 17... 阅读全帖 |
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d******g
发帖数: 346 | 38 They were not happy when we didn't let them to sell opium one hundred years
ago. |
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y*******o
发帖数: 6632 | 39 the western are not blind, that is why they prize dalai and reneiya.
are you really foolish or just do not want to believe the truth after the
fact. What kind of shit the western are? You do not really know?
Colonized, slavery, opium war, slaughter india, that is so obvious why
western support dalai. |
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T*******I
发帖数: 5138 | 40 [写在前面：以下可能是一个巨型汉奸的言论，请慎入慎读。既然是一个辩护，作者当
然是希望说给自己和大家听。至于听者（或读者）听完（或读完）后形成怎样的结论，
完全是他/她个人的事情，与本人无关，因为我无意也无权将自己的思想强加于人。最
后，如果你是一个强烈的民族主义者，本文的言论可能会令你脑门喷血、心气梗塞、甚
至……，所以，作者在此提前预告你注意身心健康；否则，后果自负。]
现在是公元2010年6月，距离1840年6月爆发的第一次鸦片战争（Sino-British
Opium War）正好170周年整。中国的历史学家一致称这次战争为中国近代史的开端。
1856年10月爆发了第二次鸦片战争，这次战争基本上使得大清帝国从此失去了反抗西方
的能力。
“……。
……，两次鸦片战争最终使中国从一个独立的封建国家逐渐变成半殖民地半封建国
家，中华民族由此开始了一百多年屈辱、苦难、探索、斗争的历程。
……
鸦片战争的结果是使中华帝国关闭自守的古老大门被英殖民主义的尖兵利炮打开，
从此再也不能复合。
……
1842年7月24日，清政府在英军... 阅读全帖 |
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M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 41 陈冲，有千万个理由成为汉奸老将，可是她没有。她没有因为个人情绪而丑化tg，丑化
中国。有多少老将能接受陈冲的人格挑战？
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/08
Let the Games Go On
By Joan Chen
Wednesday, April 9, 2008
I was born in Shanghai in 1961 and grew up during the Cultural Revolution.
During my childhood, I saw my family lose our house. My grandfather, who
studied medicine in England, committed suicide after he was wrongly accused
of being a counterrevolutionary and a foreign spy.
Those were the worst of times.
Since the Cu... 阅读全帖 |
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S******Q
发帖数: 475 | 42 我留了一个．
Oh my god!! Are you going to start another Opium War on us? |
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v***0
发帖数: 5096 | 43 原话是
including opium for medical purpose.
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发帖数: 901 | 44 Opium Country
据法新社与《联合早报》报道，英国首都伦敦26日爆发自2003年伊拉克战争以来最大规
模的示威活动，超过25万人涌上街头，抗议政府采取的大幅度裁减预算措施。
据报道，从伦敦时间大约上午9时开始，便陆续有来自各地的工会团体在游行出发
点伦敦滨河路上集合。参加示威的公务员、退休人士和学生高举写有“不要搞垮英国”
、“向削减预算说"不"”和“保护公共服务”等口号的布条，从滨河路经过国会大厦和
首相卡梅伦于唐宁街的住处，一路游行到海德公园。
由于去年英国学生在伦敦举行的大规模示威游行最后演变成暴力冲突，当地警方这
次不敢大意，出动4500名警察配合主办者派出的纠察人员，维持游行队伍的秩序。
但这场原本主张和平进行的示威，仍充满暴力色彩。有数百名示威者在伦敦主要购
物区同警察发生冲突。他们燃放爆竹，并向警员扔掷油漆、玻璃瓶和食物，还砸毁一些
商店的窗户。
至27日凌晨，当地警方逮捕了214名“滋事者”，另有84人在冲突中受伤。
由保守党和自民党组成的联合政府去年宣布，将大幅度削减政府部门的预算，以减
少赤字。联合政府指出，这其实是前执政党工党所留下来的烂摊子，若不积极采... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 901 | 45 One of Britain's biggest-selling newspapers admitted Friday it was
responsible for hacking into the phones of high-profile figures and
eavesdropping on their voicemails — its first admission of liability in a
case that has shaken the country's political, police and media
establishments.
The News of The World tabloid said in a statement it had approached some of
those suing the paper with "an unreserved apology and an admission of
liability."
A spokeswoman for the paper, Daisy Dunlop, refused to ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4825 | 46 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/health/19aids.html?_r=1&hp
China has slashed AIDS mortality by nearly two-thirds since it began
distributing free antiretroviral drugs in 2002, Chinese government
scientists are reporting.
About 63 percent of all those needing AIDS drugs are getting them, up from
virtually zero in 2002. That has caused a 64 percent drop in mortality in
“person-years,” as China measures it, an estimate of how long someone
would have lived without the disease.
AIDS mortality drop... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 901 | 47 British officials said Wednesday they have seized about 300 million pounds (
$492 million) worth of cocaine in a record-setting drug bust on a pleasure
boat.
The U.K. Border Agency and Serious Organized Crime Agency said 1.2 tons of
cocaine were found hidden in a specially-designed compartment on a boat
docked in southern England in June.
Officials said it is the largest-ever haul of Class A drugs ever found in
the U.K. The U.K. classifies Class A drugs as those most likely to cause
harm.
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发帖数: 15836 | 48 “300 million pounds ($492 million) worth of cocaine”
About $1.6/pount cocain? 比韭菜都便宜了。。。 |
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发帖数: 7037 | 49 300 million pounds 是 100+ million 千克， 10多万吨呀。人类历史上生产的可卡因
都被他们收去啦？ |
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