j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 1 what hands do you put MP and SB on? Will you mind share your thoughts on it?
with
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a**o
发帖数: 730 | 2 I think it really depends on your read. Assume they are all tight, My guess:
SB: 77, 44
MP: AA, KK, QQ, AhKh, AhQx, AxQx, AhJh, Ah10h
it? |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 3 Since MP and SB are local reg, so u must have read on them. What's the game
flow at that time? Loose table w/ ppl pushing w/ draw? or ppl play tight
and Push w/ nuts? What's ur long time image to them ( assuming they know u
too). The worst for u is one of the two player on higher flush draw. If u
believe so, should fold. If u think both had mad hands, so u have good odds
to call.
Ask ur self , why u 3 bet on the flop? Want to take down the pot? W/ pot
already 180, MP only needs 60 to see the... 阅读全帖 |
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 4 Thanks for everyone's input!
I do not have a clear read on any of them, and because MP and SB chatted to
each other about their play last night, so I assume they are REG at this cas
ino.
Why I 3-bet flop? 1) I want to take downt the pot 2) I want to push out high
er flush draw (probably my bet is not big enough).
The board is Qh, 7d, 4h, 5h, 4c.
SB had Ahxh flush, and MP had KsQs.
game
u
odds
to
when |
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p*z
发帖数: 111 | 5 You could only push out medium flush draw, right? A high flush draw will go
nowhere and K high flush draw is also likely to stay... so you can only push
out J high or lower...
to
cas
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 6 1. as I said, the pot is already 180 after your 3bet. MP very likely will
call. So you really can't take down the pot by 3bet.
2. with relatively low stack for you and the other players, the folding
equality is really low, especially on the 1/2NL table.
As played, if push on the flop, I would shove at your spot.
to
cas
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 This is a clear fold preflop. Yes 58s sucks. More importantly,
1) Original raiser is way too short of a stack
2) you are next to react after MP. Every other player who might call will
react after you post flop after MP's action. Worst position.
Post flop actions seem less of an issue. You are in a very bad place no
matter how you play it because of the two reasons above.
hands
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 8 现场牌桌经常是limpfare, limp w "sc" in position 也还好吧。 只是LZ不幸遭遇SB
sandbag.
同一付牌,买买提5个牌友5个思路, LZ怎么打都说的过去,禾禾。 |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 9 Yesterday played a session at 1/3 nl table. The table initially was kind of
quiet. not much action. Then a Vietnamese guy nicknamed jc joined and he
loose up the table quickly, with his consecutive oversized preflop bet (7 ~
10 BB regardless position) .
Shortly after one interesting hand happened.
jc bet 26 in mp, as usual. button and sb called. sb is a Vietnamese lady,
who is also a creative player. they appear to have some history before.
all 3 players stack are a little over 500.
flop 2... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 10 这种stack下拿suited connector/gapper， out of position去flat一个lag 9bb的
open，基本送钱，flop如果能看到combodraw已经是谢天谢地基本准备能把对手赶走就
赶走了，裸接aggression等于送钱*2，先不说对手有没有hit到，即使最后hero追到了
，对手会不会payoff还是个问题。
in this spot，哥觉得turn check/shove好一点，当然这里bet/shove和bet/call差不
多，反正是commit。
bet/fold的话，干嘛要preflop进来呢。 |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 11 那个女生的line 就是bet/shove (bet on turn to take it down, if get called,
May shove on river) . 只是没想到会被 immediately pushed back, 从shove on
river 变成了被shove on turn. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 12 No flush draw.
He is not kind of guy that can bluff in this situation.
Old IDs in 养鱼塘 rarely bluff with big bet(raise).
He may overplay by misread opponent's card strength, by not intentionally
bluff.
him
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 13 6max 200NL
BB: ~$300 a sticky fish that doesn't fold easily
UTG: ~$300 Hero JsJc
CO: ~$250 an aggressive fish that often overplays the strength of his card
BTN: ~$200 a decent player
Preflop
Hero opens to $7
CO calls
BTN calls
BB calls
Flop 6c3s2h
BB check
Hero cbet $18
CO raise to $56
BTN fold
BB all in
Hero tank tank and fold
I don't mind to get in with CO fish, but BB fish's check 4bet all in is so
strong that I can't call
CO fish tank and call, shows A6
BB fish show TT and eventually win th... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 14 Is turn bet 65 on top pair normal at your level?
At my level, turn bet 32BB means he has at least two pair, so I would fold
at turn.
If he is not a normal guy and often overplay, I would raise allin on turn,
since he could check on river if he only has top pair.
If turn bet 65 is normal at your level then there is no point folding and
turn reraise is the best play.
not |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 15 It is hard to say. If both Villain and I play by the book, he has to have
two pairs plus. Because of my style, some villains could counter with more
aggression than they normally do and/or overplay his hand strength. That is
why it is harder for me to fold a good hand.
For this hand, I was a little surprised that he has KJ. There are villains
who could call me down three streets to all in with KJ, but check raise and
then bet to all in usually come from AJ not KJ. |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 16 从7月中旬开始，半个月时间，扑克账户清空，一共27个buy in。
主要原因无非三点：
1. 运气差
2. downswing的时候，打的不如赢钱的时候好，这点是肯定的，谁都逃脱不了，优秀的
选手最多做到差别很小。
3. 我的TILT问题，始终比一般人严重。
来深入谈一下牌运和心态：
我这半个月的切身感受就是，downswing时的牌运差，并不是表现在有多少bad beat上
，有当然有，但我也有bad beat别人的时候。
1. 最要命的一点，牌hit不到，不管是flop hit pair 或者 draw hit。偶尔一次hit到
大牌了，嘿嘿，别人比你更大。正是因为经常性的没有牌，偶尔来一次大牌，从心态来
说，应该是比平时更不愿意放弃，更容易overplay。
2. 因为经常性的没牌，出于某种原因，就会做一些move，NL600本来就很aggresive。
原因可能是因为ego受不了总是fold，或者，由于没牌，一直输一些中小pot, 我必须要
做些move来赢下一些pot。这时候牌运差就体现在，很多时候做move的对象，偏偏此时
有强牌。这样的结果就是极端的frustrating... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 17 KdQ 3bet on river is overplay, but it is possible some fish does this, that'
s why we need to call. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 18 He check river because he is afraid you have flush draw.
You didin't try to take this opportunity to make a move.
Besides I think his flop reraise and turn bet are overplay. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 19 AA/KK 很难fold。但是这里还是有一些讲究的。
水平好的对手应该不敢拿中对和你allin，因为你也可能是大对。
有些搞不清牌力的（比hand2那个）就可能拿中对这么干。所以对某些牌手还是可以
fold的。
hand2这牌，其实给出了这个对手很有用的information.
1.他分不清牌力，overplay，TPWK bet 3条街。
2.他有top pair就会bet，没有就会check，所以他的牌容易read。
3.他是个donk。中对call两条街。所以不要bluff他，有强牌只管大bet，他有top pair
（甚至中对）fold不掉。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 yes, raise to $150, blind shove on the turn. or, if you really get creative,
shove right here to play like a donk flush draw. with 80BB effective short
stack, not much room to overthink.
this hand s not about getting V1, but V2.
1) if you choose to play AJo trouble hand OOP, this is one of the top x%
flops you can hit. we don't care how we got here (problematic OOP hands),
but since we already got here, we have to play it to the max;
2) hard to put V2 on a better Ax or better hand here, the hist... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 yes, raise to $150, blind shove on the turn. or, if you really get creative,
shove right here to play like a donk flush draw. with 80BB effective short
stack, not much room to overthink.
this hand s not about getting V1, but V2.
1) if you choose to play AJo trouble hand OOP, this is one of the top x%
flops you can hit. we don't care how we got here (problematic OOP hands),
but since we already got here, we have to play it to the max;
2) hard to put V2 on a better Ax or better hand here, the hist... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 22 话说回来 个人感觉 在不是那么狂野的game里，深筹码 AA flat 4bet比5bet回去要有
更多利润
加上villain的言语迷惑 导致hero整个400bb兜了进去
villain打得perfect
对于楼主，我的建议是，相信自己的read固然是对的，但是有时候要考虑多重因素，尤
其是在筹码很深的情况下，要有个控池的概念，多大的牌力打多大的池，避免overplay
的状况频繁出现。 |
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s*******3
发帖数: 56 | 23 多谢你的回复！ 我所在的home game不是很狂野，曾经有过狂野的人，但基本bust out
不玩了。 剩下的人，怎么说的，都是logical thinker，当然偶尔tilt了 会有一些出
格的举动，比如拿着flush draw 推200+bb的stack。。 但 villain 绝对不是这样的人
（在之前提到的458的board上，AK nut flush draw有可能）。。
我很想问这个控池的问题。 我脑子里 想过 preflop call 她的3-bet， 但是 一来难
以define 她的range， 二来 她打法稍微有点weird， flop出来dry board，假如面对
她的check raise， 我很难 fold或者接。。。
这么想来， preflop 应该4-bet一下，也算是 protect自己的hand， better define她
的range。。
flop上 我应该check 回去吗？ 我和朋友分析了一下， 如果check 回去了， 她turn
和river 几乎肯定donk 两枪， 损失也会在300bb 左右。。。
在 flop 上的bet and... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 24 话说回来 个人感觉 在不是那么狂野的game里，深筹码 AA flat 4bet比5bet回去要有
更多利润
加上villain的言语迷惑 导致hero整个400bb兜了进去
villain打得perfect
对于楼主，我的建议是，相信自己的read固然是对的，但是有时候要考虑多重因素，尤
其是在筹码很深的情况下，要有个控池的概念，多大的牌力打多大的池，避免overplay
的状况频繁出现。 |
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s*******3
发帖数: 56 | 25 多谢你的回复！ 我所在的home game不是很狂野，曾经有过狂野的人，但基本bust out
不玩了。 剩下的人，怎么说的，都是logical thinker，当然偶尔tilt了 会有一些出
格的举动，比如拿着flush draw 推200+bb的stack。。 但 villain 绝对不是这样的人
（在之前提到的458的board上，AK nut flush draw有可能）。。
我很想问这个控池的问题。 我脑子里 想过 preflop call 她的3-bet， 但是 一来难
以define 她的range， 二来 她打法稍微有点weird， flop出来dry board，假如面对
她的check raise， 我很难 fold或者接。。。
这么想来， preflop 应该4-bet一下，也算是 protect自己的hand， better define她
的range。。
flop上 我应该check 回去吗？ 我和朋友分析了一下， 如果check 回去了， 她turn
和river 几乎肯定donk 两枪， 损失也会在300bb 左右。。。
在 flop 上的bet and... 阅读全帖 |
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b*********z
发帖数: 1817 | 26 well, its YOUR own choice to trust me or not. This time, I am serious. 繁
体中国人定义的 “大环线” is freaking overrated , overplayed, annoying,
disgusting and designed for those who are traveling to the USA for the first
time. It's a dumb idea to squeeze all the places in “大环线” in a single
trip. |
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b*********k
发帖数: 35031 | 27 学蚊子给自己盖楼，我其实好像没怎么写过书评影评，原因很简单，就是因为我写不好
。不过受版上气氛的鼓励，也想把自己看电影的想法都记录下来，笑话和砖头可以是别
人的，进步和脚印会是自己的。：）
～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～～
2012.1.10
A beautiful mind（美丽心灵）
坦白讲，人物传记影片一直不是我的偏好之一，对Russell Crowe的印象也仅仅停留在L
.A.confidential里那个不羁的警探，和Gladiator里那个英勇的将军，不是我会主动挑
片子来看的钟爱的影星之一。去年圣诞节前在网上闲逛，看着amazon和imdb两边的高分
，我决定让自己尝试一下新风格。
John Nash，数学家出身的1994年诺贝尔经济学奖获得者，除了这个以外，看片之前我
对他的生平一无所知。
电影里，那个孤僻，专注，神经质的天才John Nash在攻读Phd时饱受没有original new
idea困扰时，他有一位来自葡萄牙的室友理解并一直支持他；任教以后，有美丽的物
理系学生Alicia主动向他示爱，看得到社交技巧羞涩的他心底里的善良和无可比拟的才
华；他的decod... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********s
发帖数: 7387 | 28 风光是 时机+器材+技术
人像是 灯光+化妆+器材+技术
人文是 时机+胆量+器材+技术
每个因素都有一定关系，既不要overplay也不要downplay就行了。
比如下面这个contigency matrix，
好片 烂片
贵重器材 A B
便宜器材 C D
A的人比如danny，C比如当年的的om4、比如eon，受到赞扬是一致公认的。
B这一类人呢，被骂器材控、好机器烂片、wsn，也是常见现象了
现在的问题是D这类人，觉得自己因为C这类的存在而沾了光，觉得自己好很有资本瞧不
起B，这就很可笑了。不是说你拿烂机器拍烂片就比好机器拍烂片更了不起的。 |
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w*********e
发帖数: 5286 | 29 This video says exactly what I said. He unnecessarily overplayed
the music, all the time.
I have been watching his performance for more than 10 years
and eventually I believe this guy is an excellent technician
instead of an artist. |
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l***d
发帖数: 1828 | 30 http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101118/full/news.2010.620.html
Nobel prize committee under fire
Errors lead to accusations that committee did not do its homework before
making the 2010 award for physics.
A high-profile graphene researcher has written to the Nobel prize committee
for physics, objecting to errors in its explanation of this year's prize.
The award was given to Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov of Manchester
University, UK, for their work on graphene, a two-dimensional carbon
stru... 阅读全帖 |
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v**********m
发帖数: 5516 | 31 I am wondering if someone has posted it in the pennystock club. I do think pumpers use similar strategies to "pumping a stock". When you are browsing a
stock forum other than this pennystock club, please pay close attentions to these rules.
I saw quite a few posts in the "stock" forum by someone called "guanxi chen". Those posts certainly belong to the category of "pumping a stock".
The most important thing is to do your own homework. Reading SEC fillings is the very first
thing need to be done ... 阅读全帖 |
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p*****l
发帖数: 399 | 32 I think it really depends on your read on how your opponent will react to a
raise. If he's a guy who easily gives up when meeting resistance, you
definitely want to just call here and hope he makes something to call your
value bet on the river.
If he's a loose/aggressive guy who tends to overplay his marginal hand or
call a raise lightly, i think it's a better idea to put in a raise here,
hoping for a call or even more action(i.e reraise). If your opponent is
sophisticated enough, probably you s |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 33 His weakest possible hand could be AQ.
If he had KK he could reraise you preflop.
If one is too aggressive, he could allin with AQ, but for a normal guy, allin
is an overplay.
More likely he had a full house( two pairs when he reraised you). |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 34 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - AJo no matter how a player plays, he still may hit nuts and let you pay. hehe.
Actually those are different situations, in this case, you called two bets,
and he could place you on an ace, thus with nuts, he would just push
all in. Also, against loose players, he may overplay his top pair
, but against you, he doesn't have to play the same way. I play my
top pair top kicker hands against loose callers very aggressively and
stack them frequently, however, against solid players, you don't want to
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l******n
发帖数: 641 | 35 来自主题: _TexasHoldem版 - lol i remember once she overplayer jj liu?
but anyway, i'd think these faces all sharks,
if i meet they locally.
think |
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l*u
发帖数: 1770 | 36 The two pair guy overplayed.
Kd2d should fold also, but the odds may justify his call. If I was in this
situation, I may fold Kd2d but pray no diamond card hit gain, otherwise, I
will
feel so regretful.
jump |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 37 i wouldn't. overplaying overpair, TPTK alike out of position is kind of too
dangerous.
woul |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 1) got busted by 88, 4 cards straight. bad play by me, MP raises 4.5BB with
AsQs, i thought limped UTG should fold (who shoved), and didn't isolate from
BB. AsQs called too.
2) QQ to AA once, 1st hand in, didn't give AA enough credit;
3) 99 to AA once, overplayed, mistake;
4) AA crashed aggressive guy's 44 on a JJ2 flop;
5) KK busted AA, AsJs in a multi way big all-in pot. AA guy let 3 guys shove
against each other. board: J8TK7, got lucky.
6) 3 AAs, no action.
7) laid down KK, QQ each on flop o |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 非也非也，你的路数野，出其不意，连续几次从$20翻到将近$200就说明了问题，几次
和俺估计你的牌都大相径庭。
打牌，悟道很重要，所以俺说你前途远大，呵呵，online的很多年轻pros只用了几个月
就声名远扬了。很多人开始也是overplay a small bankroll的(呵呵，这个还是重要的
)，俺看到了一个影子。 |
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