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b*********k
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 我说版上各位写程序的高手
你说的这个建议其实真的挺好的,不过算买一送一了,amazon上实体书(paperback)
本来比电子版也不贵多少,书商估计会觉得亏
b*s
发帖数: 82482
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那种纸其实连作mass market paperback都不够格
国内的书我还没有见过hard cover deckle边的书

我最受不了的是这些出版社,比如岳麓和中华书局,经常用质量很差的纸, 还是发黑
发暗的那种。
w***s
发帖数: 15642
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嗯,有片片有真相:
仿羊皮封面(我本来以为这个是羊皮的,后来查了一下发现是仿的):
内页,我把它跟age of wonder的paperback比了一下,要厚一些,且有凹凸的纸纹,拍
不出来:
铜板彩页:
另一本《古诗文名物新证》上下册,全铜版纸,纸比writing那本书略薄一点,估计是
因为书本身太厚所以用了薄一点的纸,就这样也很沉。给你看看印刷细节:
全铜板纸的彩绘全本三国演义:
全铜版纸的中国建筑艺术图集:
最后来个美国绝对没有的,也是现在精装书的潮流之一,线装。这是刚打开的样子,两
边用的都是凹凸纹纸:
内页都是高档新闻纸,手感接近宣纸。左边的年画:
右边的生肖:
国内我还放着一套宣纸线装的老课本,当然也是新出的,就像这样:
b*s
发帖数: 82482
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稀疏平常么。美国书店的书哪本比不上这样的了?就是线装书美国不兴这个而已,那个
也不是特别难的……
自己定制书:
http://www.blurb.com/make/books
基本上秒杀这些,呵呵。
美国随便哪本图册不是所谓的“铜板纸”?

嗯,有片片有真相:
仿羊皮封面(我本来以为这个是羊皮的,后来查了一下发现是仿的):
内页,我把它跟age of wonder的paperback比了一下,要厚一些,且有凹凸的纸纹,拍
不出来:
铜板彩页:
另一本《古诗文名物新证》上下册,全铜版纸,纸比writing那本书略薄一点,估计是
因为书本身太厚所以用了薄一点的纸,就这样也很沉。给你看看印刷细节:
全铜板纸的彩绘全本三国演义:
全铜版纸的中国建筑艺术图集:
最后来个美国绝对没有的,也是现在精装书的潮流之一,线装。这是刚打开的样子,两
边用的都是凹凸纹纸:
内页都是高档新闻纸,手感接近宣纸。左边的年画:
右边的生肖:
国内我还放着一套宣纸线装的老课本,当然也是新出的,就像这样:
w***s
发帖数: 15642
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自己定制书国内当然也有,淘宝上就有。随便搜个链接:
http://diy8848.taobao.com/?search=y&scid=523215833&scname=vNLNp
退一步讲,在国内结婚的谁家里没有一两本精装定制婚纱照啊。那个精美程度就不是一
般的书能比的了。。。
铜版纸不是要跟你那本书比较一下么。现在国内随便买本图册也是铜版纸的。我刚才贴
的这些除了第一本,全部都是paperback,照样全铜板彩印。再说你怎么就不看看那两
本宣纸彩印的,美国有吗。。。哼。
b*s
发帖数: 82482
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 一个人的假期 (十三)
送你一本书:
How To Survive a Robot Uprising: Tips on Defending Yourself Against the
Coming Rebellion [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/How-Survive-Robot-Uprising-Defending/dp/1

就是,反了他了。镇压机器人!
j********8
发帖数: 2201
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - [应征] 2012年读书小结
2012年很多下班后的时间花在啃几本专业上的书,休闲娱乐方面的书就少了几本。希望
明年有时间补上!
------------------------1-------------------------------
Deng Xiaoping and the Transformation of China
Ezra F. Vogel
这是一本非常详尽的邓小平的传记。这本书是在NPR上听到介绍,立即在亚马逊上定了
一本。书出来没多久读完。从中学到非常多关于当代中国的知识。虽然对中国
的事情都有所知道,很多细节在读这本书之前都不清楚。比如说华国锋的经历,胡耀邦
和赵紫阳的上台下台的经历,64的经过,老江,胡哥上台,书中有详细的描述。是不可
多得的一本好书。强烈推荐。
----------------------2------------------------------------
三体(全套)
刘慈欣
在网上看到很多人对这套书的推崇。这套书的可读性很高。总体来说是一套非常牛的科
幻小说,实际上作者的文笔相当好。内容来说也算是科幻小说中的上乘之作。在看这本
书之前看过一本叫星云的科幻小说选... 阅读全帖
M****N
发帖数: 16093
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 给推荐一本书吧
谢谢 amazon上只有paperback了,99年出版的?
b*s
发帖数: 82482
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 二点评
等我退休,呵呵
The Darwin Elevator算是future history?
It's the late 23rd century. A plague has swept across the globe and the only
people who are safe are in Australia near something called "The Darwin
Elevator." That's the name of a new sci-fi novel, the first in the trilogy
called "The Dire Earth Cycle." It's by first-time novelist Jason Hough and
our reviewer Alan Cheuse says he couldn't put it down.
ALAN CHEUSE, BYLINE: Uh-uh, I just couldn't put it down, this first novel by
an unknown writer. Even t... 阅读全帖
w***s
发帖数: 15642
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 无题
前半本很有趣,后面差一点。我喜欢他讲什么故事都跟现在拉上点联系,读起来有时空
感。另外我看的是paperback,地图都是灰色的,不知道有没有彩图版本的。
中国做这个的可能也有吧,可惜yenite现在不来了,不然问问他肯定知道。
l*y
发帖数: 21010
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 一代资本主义失业青年的圣歌
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7w0eqUBp3c
Pet Shop Boys - Love is a bourgeois construct
I've been taking my time for a long time
Putting my feet up a lot
Speaking English as a foreign language
any words that I haven't forgot
I've been thinking how I can't be bothered
to wash the dishes or remake the bed
What's the point when I could doss instead?
I've been hanging out with various riff-raff
somewhere on the Goldhawk Road
I don't think it's gonna be much longer
'til I'm mugging up on the penal c... 阅读全帖
w**m
发帖数: 4061
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 有人买过library binding的书么?
The only real notable difference is that Library Bindings are done by a more
-or-less independent third-party, whereas a hardcover is issued by the
original publisher. Library bindings are more durable, but may not look as
nice as proper hardcovers (more utilitarian than decorative), and typically
lack dust jackets or anything like that.
In terms of recommendation, I only go for the library binding if a hardcover
version is not available. Like I said, it doesn't look as nice, but it's
certainly ... 阅读全帖
b*s
发帖数: 82482
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 有人买过library binding的书么?
The only real notable difference is that Library Bindings are done by a more
-or-less independent third-party, whereas a hardcover is issued by the
original publisher. Library bindings are more durable, but may not look as
nice as proper hardcovers (more utilitarian than decorative), and typically
lack dust jackets or anything like that.
In terms of recommendation, I only go for the library binding if a hardcover
version is not available. Like I said, it doesn't look as nice, but it's
certainly ... 阅读全帖
b*s
发帖数: 82482
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 有人买过library binding的书么?
peng

The only real notable difference is that Library Bindings are done by a more
-or-less independent third-party, whereas a hardcover is issued by the
original publisher. Library bindings are more durable, but may not look as
nice as proper hardcovers (more utilitarian than decorative), and typically
lack dust jackets or anything like that.
In terms of recommendation, I only go for the library binding if a hardcover
version is not available. Like I said, it doesn't look as nice, but it's
cert... 阅读全帖
f**********g
发帖数: 2989
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 第一本童书绘本在Amazon上架
几经修改,我的第一本童书绘本"April and Avery" 终于在Amazon 正式上架:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HY4CZIU
有paperback纸质版和kindle电子版
还望各位看过的帮忙写写review!
有建议意见希望私下交流的,可以email
h*[email protected]
个人网站
http://www.helenhwu.com
右上有etsy,facebook,twitter,微博等,欢迎互粉!
发包子60个,已转到版面,烦请版主代发!谢谢!
---------------
先说说我写这个故事的心得吧:(不想看我啰嗦的可以跳到下一节看Amazon自出版
picture book的经验)
这算是我“进军”美国picture book领域的第一步尝试吧。美国picture book,尤其是
children's picture book,华裔/华人真是屈指可数,可供参考的经验,也非常之少;
加上自己新入此领域,自己摸着石头过河中。
故事情节、语言、绘画,三者缺一不可。这个故事从去年初构思,从一个基本没有情节
的小故事,终于慢慢增加内... 阅读全帖
a*o
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看过一点,估计第一本 1/3, 除了那些东西,没什么情节,没兴趣就没看了。。
fifty shades of grey 很多女人喜欢看,在车上见过,在沙滩里也见到一边晒太阳,
一边看。
以前看到这个 amazon.com 的评论,笑喷了:这是最多人喜欢的 review。。2万多个喜
欢。。哈哈哈。
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2JF7E91JJVHAT/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpn
Did a teenager write this???, April 15, 2012
This review is from: Fifty Shades of Grey: Book One of the Fifty Shades
Trilogy (Paperback)
I really don't like writing bad reviews. I admire people who have the
courage to put pen to paper and expose themselves to the whole world,
especiall... 阅读全帖
d*****d
发帖数: 10658
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 想买本书送给美国朋友
嗯嗯,这本不是很适合,但有一本不错。amazon可以买到英文版的
Big Breasts and Wide Hips: A Novel (Arcade Classics) Paperback –
International Edition, January 4, 2012
http://www.amazon.com/Big-Breasts-Wide-Hips-Classics/dp/1611453
zz
作品《丰乳肥臀》中的基督教文化色彩
一部好的电影往往需要有部好的小说为基础,《丰乳肥臀》是一部波澜壮阔的史诗性作
品,莫言把母亲描绘成一位承载苦难、命运多舛的女性。她生养的众多女儿构成的大家
族,不可避免地卷入20世纪中国社会历史舞台。小说中形态各异的力量之间的角逐、争
夺,对个体家庭形成影响,苦难的现实如兵匪战乱、流离颠簸、亲人死亡,令作品戏剧
性十足。
而在这部作品中更受注目的是体现浓厚的基督教文化色彩,含博爱、牺牲、救赎的情怀
。莫言曾说,“我不是基督徒,但我对人类的前途满怀着忧虑,我盼望自己的灵魂能够
得到救赎。”“我希望用自己的书表现出一种寻求救赎的意识。”从中可以看出救赎意... 阅读全帖
a*o
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amazon 的这个几万人喜欢的 review, 至今难忘。。太搞了:哈哈哈。。
25,266 of 26,237 people found the following review helpful
Did a teenager write this???
By meymoon TOP 50 REVIEWER on April 15, 2012
Format: Paperback Verified Purchase
I really don't like writing bad reviews. I admire people who have the
courage to put pen to paper and expose themselves to the whole world,
especially those writing erotica. Having just finished this book, however, I
feel compelled to write a review.
About half way through the book, I look... 阅读全帖
e***d
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M********c
发帖数: 11672
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谢谢分享!
i****i
发帖数: 4803
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来自主题: Music版 - 王宏伟 --- 蓝蓝天上白云飘
both. :-)
mask 和“面罩”的讲法历史都还蛮长的了。
如:
http://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Bel-Canto-Support-Ancient/dp/1434
“Anatomy of Bel Canto: Stroke of the Mask, Chest Support, and Proof for the
Ancient Method [Paperback]”
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_637b75280102dqmi.html
另,偶觉得这篇文章里面王老的话很值得读:
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_637b75280102dsrz.html
C***l
发帖数: 2625
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【 以下文字转载自 PhotoGear 讨论区 】
发信人: Cajal (nobody), 信区: PhotoGear
标 题: 【卖书】Richard Misrach, Sally Mann
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 10 20:40:43 2010, 美东)
Richard Misrach: Photographs 1975-1987 (paperback 1989 1st edition)
condition: Good. some damages at the lower ridge.
price: $64 free shipping.
Sally Mann: Deep South (Hard cover 2005 1st edition)
condition: like new
price: $19 free shipping.
PM if interested.
o*4
发帖数: 417
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来自主题: PhotoForum版 - 又到年终回顾的时候了
can make calendar from lulu
http://www.lulu.com/publish/calendars/?cid=us_home_nav_cal
my co-worker self-published a book there, I did the photos
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/johanns-awakening/13570201
b*****e
发帖数: 14299
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来自主题: PhotoForum版 - 【FS】Magnum degrees
http://www.amazon.com/Magnum-Degrees-Michael-Ignatieff/dp/07148
Brand New,paperback
ask $27.5+YL
B****s
发帖数: 796
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来自主题: PhotoForum版 - (sold)想卖本书
手里多了一本,看看这里有没有人想要。喜欢扫街的同学应该知道Garry Winogrand,
他去世比较早,出书不太多,这本是他去世后出的。
Winogrand: Figments From The Real World
Paperback, 1988版,书况很好,除了书皮右上角有一点开层,其他都挺新。$58
including shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Winogrand-Figments-From-Real-World/dp/087
另外,他的一本新书刚刚出版,我在书店里翻了翻,很厚,印刷的不错,也可以考虑。
http://www.amazon.com/Garry-Winogrand-Sarah-Greenough/dp/030019
z***i
发帖数: 1122
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来自主题: PhotoForum版 - 终于去了Strand Bookstore
上周末去NYC一趟,到了Union Square,想起版主多次提到的Strand Bookstore不就在附
近吗?向一个晒太阳的大叔一打听,沿Broadway走两条街就是.
这里是Broadway和E12街角.后面绿树葱葱的就是Union Square了.再远可以看到帝国大
厦.
书店外屋檐下有不少特价书.书中就有颜如玉.先给mm拍一张.
摄影书在二层的楼角,光线很好,窗口有四把椅子,可以坐定慢慢翻书.
(椅子边有插头,赶紧把用了一半的相机电池插上了.呵呵)
书满满好几架,按摄影师分类.书的种类太多了,
听说过的有,没听说过的更多,几天几夜也看不完.
而且一本书是新的和二手的摆在一起,买不起新的可以买二手的.
新书一般都是一本随便翻,其余在塑料薄膜里包着.
窗户都是打开的,有新鲜的风吹进来.这里窗台上有艾未未的一本,
Mitch Epstein的State of the Union更好看.
书店太好了,就是价钱不便宜.比如Winogrand的新书,出版商订$85,
Strand卖$76.5加税,Amazon卖$57没税还送到家.不知这书店怎么竞争?
版主还介绍过NYU附近的Dashw... 阅读全帖
a*f
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paperback 的horizon到了,照片不错,不过尺寸不大,装帧很普通,薄薄一本,更像
是宣传册子,收藏价值较低。
C***l
发帖数: 2625
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来自主题: PhotoGear版 - 【卖书】Richard Misrach, Sally Mann
Richard Misrach: Photographs 1975-1987 (paperback 1989 1st edition)
condition: Good. some damages at the lower ridge.
price: $64 free shipping.
Sally Mann: Deep South (Hard cover 2005 1st edition)
condition: like new
price: $19 free shipping.
PM if interested.
e***y
发帖数: 4472
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旧DX反差是报纸水平, 新dx号称50%提高contrast, eink公司的原话
"This allows for eReaders to go from a contrast ratio typical of newspapers,
to a higher contrast ratio typical of paperback books"
我想了想还是把刚定的249 dx给退了...旧DX我已经用了快一年了, 刚卖掉不久又买个
一样的回来, 估计会觉得腻味
也许等几个月后新DX refurbish出来, 再入一个看看所谓50%提高是真是假
f******d
发帖数: 51
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来自主题: PhotoGear版 - 转几个全新: 电池, 镜头
不知道写在这里是不是合适,
Professional BG-E9 Battery Grip + 2 LP-E6 Batteries for Canon EOS 60D
Digital SLR Camera
http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Battery-LP-E6-Batteries-60D/
Fotodiox Canon EOS Macro Extension Tube Set Kit for Extreme Close-up, fits
Canon EOS 1d,1ds,Mark II, III, IV, 5D, Mark II, 7D, 10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50D,
60D, Digital Rebel xt, xti, xs, xsi, t1i, t2i, 300D, 350D, 400D, 450D, 500D
, 550D, 1000D
http://www.amazon.com/Fotodiox-Extension-Extreme-Close-up-Digit
Kevin Kubotas Lighting Note... 阅读全帖
v***a
发帖数: 23651
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来自主题: PhotoGear版 - 哪一个读paper最方便?
公司订的没有paperback吗?
m********l
发帖数: 6748
32

我的Simple Touch还是$130入的呢。不过也想开了,2008年前我每个月都买几本
paperback呢,电子书还是省钱啊。
s****7
发帖数: 2507
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比较以下中国和美国的教科书的纸张质量吧,美国教科书沉死了
国内至少以前教科书是用美国这里的paperback noveL 那种纸
b*******e
发帖数: 6482
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 看纸质的英文书最烦恼的一点,
有一种书叫做paperback……
不谢
不过学校里卖的教材确实很不要脸,都只卖精装版捞钱……
b*s
发帖数: 82482
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 看纸质的英文书最烦恼的一点,
这种书就是给你放在书桌上看的。教科书和参考书本来就不是设计给在沙发上休闲看的。
不过硬皮的小说九百页基本上是上限了。一般选Paperback或者是Kindle版的吧,反正
小说在Kindle上算是最合适的了。
D****P
发帖数: 229
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - [6.12水一水]改变你一生的书籍
Yes, the original book is
"The Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels between Modern Physics
and Eastern Mysticism" by Fritjof Capra.
There is even a paperback version listed at Amazon.
f**********g
发帖数: 2989
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【 以下文字转载自 LeisureTime 讨论区 】
发信人: floweringing (花花公子), 信区: LeisureTime
标 题: 第一本童书绘本在Amazon上架
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Apr 9 17:05:55 2014, 美东)
几经修改,我的第一本童书绘本"April and Avery" 终于在Amazon 正式上架:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HY4CZIU
有paperback纸质版和kindle电子版
还望各位看过的帮忙写写review!
有建议意见希望私下交流的,可以email
h*[email protected]
个人网站
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发包子60个,已转到版面,烦请版主代发!谢谢!
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先说说我写这个故事的心得吧:(不想看我啰嗦的可以跳到下一节看Amazon自出版
picture book的经验)
这算是我“进军”美国picture book领域的第一步尝试吧。美国p... 阅读全帖
b*s
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来自主题: WebRadio版 - 来,颜控奔个美女
How to Lie with Statistics Paperback
by Darrell Huff (Author), Irving Geis (Illustrator)
http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/039331

哈哈哈
b*s
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http://www.amazon.com/The-Scents-Eden-History-Spice/dp/15683624
Paperback
from $0.73
52 Used from $0.73
13 New from $12.39

我们小图书馆居然没这本书。。。
sr
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来自主题: EnglishChat版 - At first sight (15)
High winds and snow made it impossible for anyone to go out Saturday night.
As the snow fell, Julia shifted from piano exercises and Schubert to love
songs--long, sad love songs that made me crazy. Then Sunday morning Sandra
put me in an even better mood by modeling outfits she might wear New Year's
Eve. Sometime the previous evening, while I was finishing my paperback romance,
Sandra had called Ben and asked him to go with her to Twist's big year-end
party. He, of couse, said yes.
By noonti
p**y
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来自主题: EnglishChat版 - Re: 请推荐一本美语俗语词典

maybe "American Slang" is a good one.
Name: American Slang
Author: Robert L. Chapman
Pub. date: August 1994
ISBN: 0061092843
Format: Paperback
List price: US$5.99/CA$6.99
s*****i
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来自主题: EnglishChat版 - iBT啥意思?
Kaplan TOEFL iBT with CD-ROM, 2007-2008 Edition (Kaplan Toefl Cbt) (
Paperback)
里面的iBT是什么意思?
从美国买的TOEFL复习材料国内能用吗? 北美的题型和国内的一样吗?
谢谢.
T***0
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来自主题: Joke版 - Amazon上最搞笑的物品评论
铀矿
http://www.amazon.com/Images-SI-Inc-Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM/ref=sr_1_1?
ie=UTF8&s=industrial&qid=1291342847&sr=8-1-spell
注意看amazon的推荐
This item: Uranium Ore by Images SI Inc. $39.95
Uranium: War, Energy and the Rock That Shaped the World by Tom Zoellner
Hardcover $10.51
The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes Paperback $14.00
哈哈
l****z
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来自主题: Joke版 - Ted Nugent的滑稽故事 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: lczlcz (lcz), 信区: USANews
标 题: Ted Nugent的滑稽故事
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 8 04:17:18 2015, 美东)
So, I was walking through Chicago and i saw that there was a Mulsim Book
store. I was wondering what exactly was in a muslim bookstore, so I went in.
AS.. I was wandering around taking a look, the clerk stopped me an asked if
he could help me.
I imagine I did't look like his normal clientele. so I asked: "do you have a
copy of Donald Trump's book on his U.S. Immigration poli... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: LES版 - 版画 插图
由那个张火丁的书,就link到了出版它的《读库》,然后就看到了这个 Notebook八合一
可想而知,一共八本,每本各收录一位插图大师级人物的作品,有中国的,有外国的。
http://www.duku.cn/books/120.aspx
看上去制作也很精良的样子。
其中一本 《守义-图》
http://www.duku.cn/books/38.aspx
最后一张图下有一行小字“上世纪八、九十年代的外国文学作品,十之二三,其装帧设
计或插图作者都是张守义。”
确实有种似曾相识的感觉。
而张守义先生已于2008年去世了。。。。
小时候看的书有插图的不多,一般要hardcover的版本才有,而我看的大多是paperback
,唯一例外是几本儒勒凡尔纳的小说,都带了插图还不少,比如格兰特船长的儿女,神
秘岛。
插图真的是个好东西。。。
记得这个版上uchiha的妈妈是给书配插图的吧
s******7
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来自主题: pets版 - 今天早上又悲剧了~
http://www.amazon.com/Control-Unleashed-Creating-Confident-
Paperback/dp/B000UCF53A/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1295902103&sr=1-1
是这个不?
v********d
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来自主题: Piebridge版 - Why You're Not Married from tracy Mcmillan
Tracy McMillan is a TV writer whose credits include Mad Men and The United
States of Tara. Her memoir I Love You and I'm Leaving You Anyway is now
available in paperback from Harper Collins/It Books. She lives in Los
Angeles with her 13-year-old son. Follow her on Twitter.
你没有结婚 排名前10位的原因
1. 你是一个来势汹汹的女人
2。你浅薄。
3. 你是一个荡妇。
4. 你是个骗子。
5. 你自私。
6. 你还不够好。
底线是,婚姻仅仅是一个长期的实践机会,爱好的人,甚至当他们这样做不值得。因为大部分时间,你的凌乱,放屁,通心粉和奶酪吃的人不会做你想要他。但是,你给他反正爱 - 因为你已经决定了你的头脑转变成自己一个人,谁是执业仁慈,深的,良性的,真实的,给予,而最重要的是,接受自己亲爱的自我 - 你会发现,你会... 阅读全帖
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